Adam and Connor welcome comedian Elise Golgowski to talk about the various conspiracies and controversies around fluoride in drinking water, and the updated science that suggests it might not be as safe as we might think.
Show notes: https://conspirapod.link/ep320
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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to
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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown,
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joining me as Co host this week.
Connor’s here.
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How’s it going, man?
Going great.
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How you doing Adam?
I am doing fantastic, just like
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everyone is doing right now.
It’s a great time to be alive
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and we have a fantastic guest
with us today.
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Elise Golgowski’s here.
Yes, hi.
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How’s it going?
Oh, just wonderful.
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Perfect.
We’re in LA, everything’s great
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in LA.
That’s exactly no fires here,
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yeah.
We’re all excited about our new
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president.
And we’re we’re talking about
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our new, what’s RFK junior’s
role in the.
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Health Health Secretary or.
Something.
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I mean something with health.
I I heard a woman at the car
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wash the other day talk about
RFK and she said, yeah, and then
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there’s RFK.
He’s going to make us healthy
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again.
But the way she said it was
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like, oh, that’s Gordon.
He’s the big steam engine.
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He carries all the coal.
Yeah, what we’re talking about
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today actually makes me feel a
little better about RFK Junior,
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just in this one respect,
because this theory isn’t as
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crazy as it seems, which is the
theory that fluoride in drinking
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water could be a bad thing.
It seems like that’s very
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possible.
It’s just not a bad thing in the
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way a lot of conspiracy theories
make it out to be.
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Case in point, it’s not a
communist plot to take over the
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United States.
I don’t think might be.
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No, I’m pro fluoride in the
water.
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Yeah, I think he wants to take
it out to make us all sick.
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So then we’ll spend more money
on health insurance.
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See, I’m pro fluoride in the
water because I want to go to
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sleep.
I want to, I want to believe the
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government’s lies, you know, I
want to buy into the fucking
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military industrial complex.
I don’t want to be a free
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thinker.
I don’t want to have all this
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fucking doubt in my head just
like, make me a fucking surf.
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Give me the fluoride.
Yeah, I think I’m still on the
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fence.
I think I, I don’t know.
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It seems like we could do
without it maybe, but.
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It what if we try it without it
for a a month or two, you know?
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Yeah, just see how it goes.
See if we all become amazing
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painters and sculptors and shit.
But you’re saying that nobody’s
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been an amazing painter and
sculptor, and since what, the
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1940s?
Yeah, I mean, I’m saying they
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had to fight through their
calcified pineal glands in order
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to bring us those masterpieces.
I disagree.
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I don’t.
Think fluoride, but.
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Elise is distancing herself very
early in the show, which is how
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you know it’s going to be a good
episode.
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No because I’m pro fluoride and
I think it’s a conspiracy that
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they’re taking it out because
they want to make us sick and
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our bones brittle and our teeth
rotted out.
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My teeth are perfect and I’ve
been drinking that fluoride shit
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all my life.
We do need bones and teeth.
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I forgot about that.
Lord knows I’m not taking care
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of my own bones.
Is there evidence that it makes
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bones stronger I.
Think it does.
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I have healthy teeth.
I can bite through a fucking
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apple no problem.
Whoa.
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Well, that’s flex.
Yeah, right.
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Humble brag.
I’ve never had a cavity.
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Never.
Never.
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I’ve had a, I’ve had a bunch.
Why is it fluoride working for
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me?
You’re probably not drinking
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enough of it.
Oh, I drink a shit ton of water.
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Yeah, more than me.
Never had a cavity.
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I think Elise is an op.
It’s suspicious.
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Am I supposed to be pro taking
the fluoride out of the water?
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Because that’s not what I got
from this prompt.
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What am?
I supposed to be on your side.
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No, you don’t have to be on
anyone’s side.
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OK, then shut the fuck up,
Connor.
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I thought I was joking around on
this comedy podcast, Hoops.
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No, there’s no joking about
fluoride.
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Seems like it.
So the conspiracy theories about
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this didn’t start with the movie
Doctor Strangelove, but it sure
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seems like that’s where it kind
of entered the mainstream.
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The mainstream right of that
movie involves starting a
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nuclear war to thwart a
communist plot to quote SAP and
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impurify the precious bodily
fluids of the American people by
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way of fluoridated water.
Has anyone seen Doctor
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Strangelove?
I have not.
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I saw it a long time ago.
It reminds me of like people
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that took adrenochrome from Fear
and Loathing in Las Vegas and
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spun it off into a whole other
universe of like conspiracy
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theories.
Like the thing from a movie that
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we forgot was from a movie.
I still always forget that that
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kind of started with that.
Movie Honduras.
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Thompson was just good at
thinking of cool ass names for
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things.
Or the book, probably right?
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Yeah, it’s in the book.
Book.
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Yeah.
So, yeah, it’s been a
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controversial thing for as long
as it’s been happening, which
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was the 1940s.
What I find really interesting
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is this is not settled science
at all in terms of whether
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fluoride’s safe to be in water,
whether it actually works the
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way we think it does for teeth.
None of that seems to actually
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have been resolved because I
have it later in the notes.
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But the CDC in 1999 reversed
course and said fluoride works
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topically.
It works on the tooth after the
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tooth has grown into your mouth.
So I should like, I should swish
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it around in my mouth like
Listerine.
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Well, yeah, it’s in toothpaste
and mouthwash.
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And the CDC way back in 1999
said, like, that’s how you used
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fluoride to make your teeth
better.
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So why are we drinking it, man?
I don’t know, and not everyone
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does.
It’s not a federally mandated
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thing, it’s a state thing.
Gets state by state.
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California Mandate I.
Would love to be such a serious
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conspiracy theorist where I’d be
like come on honey, we’re
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packing up the kids and we’re
going to a no fluoride state.
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It does seem like if it has
negative health impacts, it’s
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more on babies and.
Well, fuck who?
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Cares.
Yeah, like in the womb.
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And come on, what do we think?
If they can’t survive a little
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fluoride, do we really, you
know, mucking up society, voting
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and driving and competing for
food?
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I don’t think so.
It’s an excellent point.
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So as a result of all of this
uncertainty around it, that’s
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why there’s so many conspiracy
theories around it.
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When scientists don’t even
completely agree on something,
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conspiracy theorists are going
to have a fucking field day.
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Yeah, we’re at two out of four
dentists.
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No man’s land.
So then why do they think it’s a
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communist thing to make us dumb?
Well, that was back in the 1940s
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and 50s.
Primarily, that theory fell out
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of favor with Doctor
Strangelove.
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Once Doctor Strangelove parodied
it, people started not believing
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it anymore.
And there were even anti
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fluoride types at the time or
since who talk about the
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communist thing and they’re
like, don’t say it’s communism,
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it’s not fucking communism.
That’s not the problem.
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But in the 40s and 50s
everything was communism.
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That’s just what this country
did.
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We sniffed out communists.
It was our whole fucking thing.
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It’s what the Office of Naval
Intelligence was doing.
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It could literally be like,
sorry dad, I got to see because
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I was up late to be just worried
about the communists, you know,
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the Reds coming to put stuff in
my water to make me gay.
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I mean you could kind of at that
time if you wanted just go to
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someone and say hey, I think my
kids teacher is a communist and
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they’d at least get talked to by
the government.
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Yeah, you’d get a knock on the
door, you know.
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Yeah.
Yeah, it was a crazy time that
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because this did start during
the second Red Scare.
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Let’s talk about the ultimate
cavity creep, Joe McCarthy.
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And yeah, it kicked off during
the second Red Scare, so that’s
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when, you know, we were all up
in arms about communists
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everywhere.
I’ve told the story a bunch of
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times.
The only reason Dodger Stadium
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is where it is is because that
used to be a community of
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Mexican immigrants.
And this guy was like, man, we
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should tear that down and
rebuild it better for them and
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let them move back in.
And the city approved the plan.
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And then at one point someone
was like, Oh no actually that’s
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communism what you’re proposing.
So once everyone was moved out
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they threw that guy in fucking
prison for a year and then built
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Dodger Stadium on.
That for the crime of
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sustainable urban planning?
Yep.
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Yep, that was deemed communism
and he went to fucking prison.
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Not not to get all eugenic on
the show, but it is surprising
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that so many Mexican people
still fuck with the Dodgers.
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I’ve said that so many times and
I think it’s I honestly think a
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big part of it is just Fernando
Valenzuela.
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Laughing because I’m pretending
I get the reference.
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Yeah, that’s sports.
He was a pitcher for the Dodgers
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in the 80s.
There is a mural of him
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somewhere near where you used to
live.
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Echo Park.
Yeah, when when you used to live
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in that nightmare house where
record.
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There’s a Fernando Valenzuela
mural somewhere around there,
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because that’s not.
Far it’s been replaced with
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three Kobe GG murals that are
very poorly drawn.
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That would not surprise me at
all.
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So yeah, the communism stuff, it
started during the second Red
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Scare.
The 1st fluoridation of water
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was in 1945 in Michigan, and the
first successful effort to block
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fluoride in water happened in
Wisconsin in 1950.
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And even then, that was kind of
just on communist rounds more
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than anything.
So Wisconsin doesn’t have any
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fluoride in their water?
They do now.
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I think most of the United
States has at least some
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fluoride in their water.
And even the part where some
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studies have shown that it might
have detrimental effects on
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brain development, there’s only,
I think, less than 2 million
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people who are currently
drinking tap water with that
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level of fluoride in it.
So even if it’s a problem, it’s
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not a huge problem.
Yeah, and there are people in
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Wisconsin.
I mean, who cares?
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These are lost leaders of the
American population.
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Well, I thought they didn’t have
fluoride, so I was curious how
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many artists came from Wisconsin
that you could name.
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Yeah, Does Eric Foreman from
That 70s Show count?
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I lived in Wisconsin for a few
years.
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The water in Wisconsin is
surprisingly bad, especially in
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the rural areas.
They put cheese in it.
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Yeah, it’s, it’s mostly just
molten cheese.
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And I was at a bar once in
Wisconsin and there was
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literally a sign on the wall
that was like, hey, you’re
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pregnant, don’t wash your hands.
What?
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It’s worse than Flint, MI.
Oh, I don’t know how it never
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became a big story, but not long
after the Flint, MI thing broke,
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I want to say it was Reuters did
a investigation and found that
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there are actually like 3000
communities in the United States
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that have the same problem Flint
has. 3000 how many fucking
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communities are there?
8000 like.
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Yeah, that was my question.
Do we have enough states to have
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3000 fucking communities?
What a ratio.
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My God, am I looking at one of
Milo Yiannopoulos’s tweets?
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Yeah, that’s nuts.
And so it seems like the main
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claim now is more fluoride makes
kids stupid.
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And yeah, maybe, but also
anything all any of these
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studies is ever said is that it
lowers IQ by a few points.
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And it’s like, well, what are we
talking like 125 versus 121?
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Because if so, that’s that’s
still fine.
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But it doesn’t seem like it has
that much of an effect, but it
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also seems like it doesn’t have
maybe as much benefit as we
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thought before.
Going through these these
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different angles, it is
definitely a like a cost benefit
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analysis that you have to do
with the fluoride.
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And I, yeah, I don’t, I don’t
know quite what to make of it
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either.
There is another conspiracy that
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popped up around the 80s that
claimed the Nazis used fluoride
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on concentration camps and in
the ghettos in Germany.
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And they had amazing teeth, if
you check the Yeah.
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That’s.
Several records.
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Well, they wanted to protect the
gold fillings they were going to
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take in a few months.
Yeah.
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And PolitiFact reached out to a
Holocaust expert who put them in
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touch with a historian named
Patricia Kebrer.
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And the Nazi thing is a myth.
She was like, not only did they
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not put Loride in the water,
they barely gave Jews water in
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Germany by, like, yeah, that
makes more sense.
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There was just like no water in
the ghettos, in the
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concentration camps, much less
fluoridated water.
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Yeah, that’s a much quicker way
to suppress somebody, huh?
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Yeah, that’s way easier than
messing with the water.
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Taking down 4 IQ points and
waiting for natural selection to
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run its course.
What people cite when they are
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making that claim is a 1987
booklet by a Australian writer,
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self published.
A lot of damage from a booklet.
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Not even a full book, A booklet.
Booklet by a writer named Ian E
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Stevens, and an excerpt from
that booklet was published in a
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New Age publication in Australia
called Nexus in 1995.
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No rush.
And this was his claim.
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Repeated doses of infinitesimal
amounts of fluoride will in time
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reduce an individual’s power to
resist domination by slowly
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poisoning and narcotizing a
certain area of the brain, and
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will thus make him submissive to
the will of those who wish to
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govern him.
Both the Germans and the
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Russians added sodium fluoride
to the drinking water of
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prisoners of war to make them
stupid and docile.
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End Quote.
And yeah, that does seem like
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such a long con to run when, I
mean, they were gassing people.
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It is the same basic argument as
like the new age pineal gland
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people, but we’ll get to that I
guess.
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Yeah, I missed that one.
That’s going to be the Connor
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segment at the end.
Connor’s Corollary.
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And people also cite a 2004 book
by an investigative journalist
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named Christopher Bryson called
The Fluoride Deception when
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they’re making this claim about
Nazis.
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Problem with that book?
It’s not what the title
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suggests.
It’s just a history of
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opposition to fluoridation in
water.
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It’s not a conspiracy theory
book about fluoride in water
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being a problem and they reached
out to the guy who wrote it and
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he literally said I never came
across any documentation or
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credible information showing
that fluoride was used in Nazi
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death camps.
When you’re writing the book
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about something as boring as
fluoride, you got to give it a
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click bait title, you know?
Yeah.
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And so then that brings us to
what are the actual arguments
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against fluoride as opposed to
the conspiracy theory stuff?
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And where better to get those
answers than from our anti
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fluoride crusader in chief, RFK
Junior?
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I mean, do we even know where
this stuff comes from?
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They’re killing the babies.
Yeah, I feel like the first
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person who can, like, accurately
nail that voice and they’re
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going to be rich.
You got to like cut in and out
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like you have a bad Zoom
connection.
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Yeah, you have to buffer your
voice somehow, like it’s 44
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kilohertz coming over a a bad
Wi-Fi connection.
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No, yeah, I I mean, I smoked
from the 21 to 31 and I can’t
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make my voice fucked up enough
to sound even close to that bad.
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Yeah, it’s wild.
Oh.
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No, I think it’s the worm doing
the talking, not him.
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It’s like the guy from a Men in
Black when he puts on the skin
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suit.
Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, it’s an alien’s inside of
him.
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So this video I will.
I’ll give you the good news.
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RFK Junior does not talk a lot
in this video.
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It is more an attorney named
Michael Connick who basically
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took the EPA to court to try and
compel them to change their
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standards when it comes to
fluoride in water.
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And he actually makes some
pretty interesting points.
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And the things that happened in
this lawsuit are kind of
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sketchy.
For example, the EPA did not
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call their own in house fluoride
experts as witnesses in this
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trial.
They reached out to people in
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the chemical industry like
Monsanto types and had their
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experts come and talk.
So this guy called the EPA’s in
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house experts as witnesses and
showed them this report that
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came out in 2006.
That one does suggest that there
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are some links between fluoride
in water and reduced IQ in
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children.
And it also recommended that the
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EPA lower the acceptable level
of fluoride in water from like 4
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like micrograms per liter.
What the fuck ever.
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Parts per million or whatever.
Yeah, the two and the EPA never
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did that.
And when he called their
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witnesses to be deposed and
showed them this report, they
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were both like, yeah, on these
grounds it probably should be
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something that is re examined at
some point.
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So I found that pretty
compelling.
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I want to know what these kids
are though.
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What if they were just stupid to
begin with?
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They just found the stupidest
kids and then they tested them.
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I mean it.
Yeah, it.
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Could be.
Yeah, there’s the conspiracy
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right there.
Confirmation bias.
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You can also read the report.
It’s not mystery like it’s out
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there.
I’m not big into reading.
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I drank a lot of fluoride
growing.
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The report came out in 2006.
You know, I just realized every
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time I take an IQ test I get
like 135 and one 40s genius.
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I just realized fluoride cheated
me out of fucking Mensa status.
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Oh, as meaningless as that is.
There was a basically a
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televised IQ test a long time
ago.
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It was just like a trivia show,
but you were taking an IQ test.
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But are you smarter than 1/5
grader?
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One of the most shocking things
about it South Dakota came in
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first.
Hey, I guess you got nothing.
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With no electricity, you got
nothing to do but read.
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Yeah, and here’s the thing, I
lived in South Dakota at the
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time and my IQ according to that
show was 138.
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So I also got fucked out of
genius level boride and drinking
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water and now old Olgauski’s
here to fucking advocate for it.
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Yeah, rubbing our noses in it.
I never took an IQ test.
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Ignorance is bliss.
Adam has lived in every state
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that Bruce Springsteen has
written a song about a character
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from.
Basically, so he also deposed
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ACDC representative and he was
like, what information do you
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have on the impacts of fluoride
in water?
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And the guy was like, Nah, the
EPA tracks that.
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And so he asked the EPA and they
were like, no, CDC takes care of
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that.
So it seems like something no
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one is really monitoring at all,
probably just because it’s been
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happening for so long and we’re
fine.
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So.
Yeah, it’s not like a it’s not a
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5 alarm fire, you know.
Yeah, couple S Dakotan IQ
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points.
And there is another interesting
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detail that comes up during this
trial.
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There were two undisputed facts,
meaning the EPA agreed had no
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objection. 1 Fluoride gets
through the placenta and enters
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the fetal brain. 2 The blood
brain barrier that protects us
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from neurotoxins entering the
brain is not developed in the
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womb or for like the first six
months of life.
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So it is possible that fluoride
in drinking water does impact
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the babies in some way, but all
of the studies just kind of
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suggested because there’s not
really enough information to
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prove it.
Yeah, I guess you’d need someone
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to give you a bunch of money and
a bunch of people would have to
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put up a bunch of babies and be
like, alright, let’s sandblast
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them with fluoride and we’ll see
what’s what.
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I mean, we gotta, I mean, these
are the babies that could save
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all the other babies.
So I mean, in a way, it’ll be a
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stupid hero, your child.
The video does bring up another
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theory that I found really
interesting, and far be it for
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me to suggest that corporate
America could ever get up to
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hijinks of this nature.
But what they suggest is that,
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one, there were a bunch of
people who worked on the
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Manhattan Project who were in
some way injured by coming into
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contact with fluoride or
fluorine.
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And two, that a bunch of
corporations at the time, like
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chemical companies, things of
the like, were polluting the
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water and the environment with
fluoride.
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And that they knew this was
going to become litigation at
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some point.
So what they did to head that
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off was round up a few
influenceable scientists, which
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they absolutely exist.
Check out the dead Kennedy song
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Well Paid Scientists from 1981.
Yeah, I mean, we know they’re
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out there.
There’s scientists that will
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tell you COVID isn’t real.
Well, there’s still scientists
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that are like, wow, cigarettes
are, you know, I mean, they’re
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not bad for your bones.
Yeah, I had an argument on the
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podcast with a comedian who some
doctor got it in this guy’s head
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that cigarettes aren’t addictive
and nicotine’s not addictive.
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Well then what the fuck is it
man?
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Really cool.
Obviously that, But yeah, the
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suggestion is that they
influence scientists to put it
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out there that, hey, fluoride is
the thing we need, you should
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actually put it in our water.
And that movement worked, and
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now we have fluoride in our
water when it’s actually a
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pollutant.
This is very easy to believe.
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For me, this is feeling like the
most plausible Occam’s Razor of
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human shittiness.
Yeah, I wouldn’t, especially
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back then.
That was the 1940s.
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We didn’t have laws like we were
testing nuclear weapons all over
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the place and just watching that
shit through binoculars.
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That could not have been safe,
right?
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I would think.
Yeah, and it just was probably
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easier to be corrupt.
I mean, we’ve had almost 100
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more years of science since
then.
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And yeah, that’s the other
thing.
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These initiatives to put
fluoride in water, there’s still
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not a ton of science behind how
safe it is now.
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So imagine what we had in 1945.
Almost no science behind it.
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Yeah, just one guy at Exxon
going, yeah, it’s like it’s good
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for your bones.
Come on.
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Yeah, I mean, if that is really
how it happened, then I feel
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like we shouldn’t have fluoride
in our drinking water.
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Like I know it sucks to have to
agree with RFK Junior, but.
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Is that really what happened
though?
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This is under a theory.
That’s your header.
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It’s a theory.
For sure.
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I mean, evolution is a theory.
Yeah, yeah.
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I don’t know.
This sounds believable, but I
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don’t want to believe it.
I like fluoride.
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Well, you have great teeth, so
you’re biased.
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Exactly.
It’s the fluoride.
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You, you don’t have a fucking
haunted Jack O Lantern in your
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mouth like I do.
It’s.
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Because my parents loved me
enough to get braces.
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Me.
They’re like, yeah, this, this
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low IQ fluoride baby.
And it’s fuck it, my teeth are
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straight and brown like Kobe
Bryant.
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I couldn’t think of a
heterosexual black guy fast
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enough for that joke.
Yeah, my teeth aren’t the
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greatest, but also I have this
like tiny bird mouth, so
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whenever it sees my teeth, I
have to get a crown on one of my
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front teeth.
No shit, I’m going to get a
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gold.
Tooth Fuck Yeah.
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Before you said it, I knew it.
Yeah, that is life goals right
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there.
But you know, right there you’ll
436
00:26:38,040 –> 00:26:40,800
see my fucking teeth.
That’s like, that’s instant
437
00:26:40,800 –> 00:26:44,040
teeth whitening too, because now
like, everything is like.
438
00:26:44,360 –> 00:26:46,400
Oh, that’s right, it’s like
getting a tan instead of
439
00:26:46,400 –> 00:26:48,320
whitening your teeth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
440
00:26:48,480 –> 00:26:51,480
It’s just like less yellow or.
It’s like getting a face tattoo
441
00:26:51,480 –> 00:26:53,440
if you’re fat.
Everyone just focuses on the,
442
00:26:53,560 –> 00:26:56,760
you know, just see the one you
know, and they’re like, oh.
443
00:26:57,280 –> 00:27:01,080
So one of the things I found
pretty interesting that comes up
444
00:27:01,080 –> 00:27:07,880
in that video and I went out and
found the report from the CDC in
445
00:27:07,880 –> 00:27:13,320
1999, the CDC did a study into
fluoride in drinking water.
446
00:27:13,320 –> 00:27:17,120
And for the longest time the
belief was you had to ingest it
447
00:27:17,280 –> 00:27:21,280
to get the benefits from it.
And I mentioned this earlier in
448
00:27:21,280 –> 00:27:27,080
the pod also in 1999, they
issued this report and reversed
449
00:27:27,080 –> 00:27:30,280
that.
They said fluoride works best as
450
00:27:30,280 –> 00:27:33,920
a topical thing, like when you
apply it directly to your teeth
451
00:27:34,080 –> 00:27:40,480
via toothpaste or mouthwash.
So if nothing else, the CDC has
452
00:27:40,760 –> 00:27:45,120
kind of implied we don’t need
fluoride in drinking water.
453
00:27:45,280 –> 00:27:47,520
And at that point, I don’t know,
like, why?
454
00:27:47,560 –> 00:27:49,600
Why have it?
It’s got to be costing somebody
455
00:27:49,600 –> 00:27:53,640
some money you would think like.
I think it’s the benefit for
456
00:27:53,640 –> 00:27:57,400
people because a lot of people
don’t have access to dental
457
00:27:57,400 –> 00:28:01,200
hygiene or going to the dentist,
so if they get the fluoride, at
458
00:28:01,200 –> 00:28:03,040
least they have some kind of
protection.
459
00:28:03,240 –> 00:28:05,320
It’s a government safety net for
your teeth.
460
00:28:05,480 –> 00:28:07,960
I think so.
I think the government’s done
461
00:28:07,960 –> 00:28:10,920
some good.
Not all good, but like they’ve
462
00:28:10,920 –> 00:28:14,320
done some good things.
That’s I’m not saying I’m not
463
00:28:14,320 –> 00:28:17,000
saying you’re wrong, but that’s
a hard nut to sell on conspiracy
464
00:28:17,000 –> 00:28:20,360
to show.
The government changed the Gulf
465
00:28:20,360 –> 00:28:22,680
of Mexico to the Gulf of
America, and you’re going to
466
00:28:22,680 –> 00:28:24,960
tell me the government hasn’t
done one good thing?
467
00:28:25,480 –> 00:28:28,040
Undeniably good.
They did have our back with that
468
00:28:28,040 –> 00:28:30,120
one.
I know I can afford to buy a
469
00:28:30,120 –> 00:28:34,440
house now, That’s great.
Yeah, Trump had a mandate when
470
00:28:34,440 –> 00:28:38,000
he entered office to change the
name of the Gulf of Mexico.
471
00:28:38,000 –> 00:28:39,120
Oh.
My God.
472
00:28:39,360 –> 00:28:46,760
A 1.4% mandate.
So yeah, I found that CDC thing
473
00:28:47,080 –> 00:28:50,800
pretty interesting.
There’s also the 2006 National
474
00:28:50,800 –> 00:28:56,120
Research Council study that gets
referenced in that video a whole
475
00:28:56,120 –> 00:28:59,160
lot.
The scientists behind it are
476
00:28:59,400 –> 00:29:02,800
some of the same scientists
apparently, who studied the
477
00:29:02,800 –> 00:29:07,880
effects of lead in children.
And that’s why we don’t put lead
478
00:29:07,880 –> 00:29:10,600
paint in houses anymore.
I have.
479
00:29:10,600 –> 00:29:12,960
I thought that study was about
Mexican candy.
480
00:29:15,040 –> 00:29:18,560
That stuff is good though.
You’re like, ah, you’re eating
481
00:29:18,560 –> 00:29:21,080
it and you’re like lead, I can
have a little lead.
482
00:29:21,080 –> 00:29:24,240
When am I going to die from a
couple micrograms of lead?
483
00:29:25,200 –> 00:29:28,240
Lunchables too.
It came out that those in
484
00:29:28,240 –> 00:29:31,200
Lunchables possibly have a shit
ton of lead, and boy was that
485
00:29:31,200 –> 00:29:31,960
oh.
My God.
486
00:29:32,120 –> 00:29:35,920
For me, I I love me a disk, a
processed Turkey.
487
00:29:36,720 –> 00:29:39,360
Yeah, I was about to say, what’s
more American than that?
488
00:29:39,920 –> 00:29:42,040
Yeah, that’s more American than
the Gulf of America.
489
00:29:44,040 –> 00:29:48,040
It’s a highly productized,
processed food for children.
490
00:29:48,040 –> 00:29:50,440
That’s what we’re all.
About yeah, that was a huge
491
00:29:50,440 –> 00:29:52,680
bummer.
And I tried some of, you know,
492
00:29:52,680 –> 00:29:55,080
the adult Lunchables, like the
really fancy ones.
493
00:29:55,400 –> 00:29:57,760
Not the same AM.
I missing the lead.
494
00:29:58,080 –> 00:30:00,360
Yeah, I think it’s probably the
the lead gave.
495
00:30:00,600 –> 00:30:05,360
It a little bit of seasoning.
So this 2006 report from the
496
00:30:05,360 –> 00:30:09,360
National Research Council.
Fluoride in drinking water, it
497
00:30:09,360 –> 00:30:11,600
is what it’s called.
Appropriately enough.
498
00:30:11,760 –> 00:30:17,920
This is kind of a basis or one
of the foundational documents
499
00:30:18,080 –> 00:30:22,640
for people who have arguments
against fluoride in water, but
500
00:30:22,640 –> 00:30:27,040
not conspiracy theory arguments,
just a suggestion that hey,
501
00:30:27,040 –> 00:30:31,200
maybe science has changed on
fluoride and drinking water and
502
00:30:31,200 –> 00:30:34,920
we should look into it.
In this report, it doesn’t
503
00:30:35,040 –> 00:30:38,680
directly say fluoride levels in
drinking water cause
504
00:30:39,120 –> 00:30:42,880
developmental problems in the
womb, but it also doesn’t not
505
00:30:43,000 –> 00:30:46,040
say it.
It more than anything says,
506
00:30:46,200 –> 00:30:50,160
yeah, it’s possible and we
should look into it more, which
507
00:30:50,320 –> 00:30:55,520
I don’t know why anyone would
object to looking into it more
508
00:30:55,640 –> 00:30:59,160
if there is science out there
that says, yeah, it could be
509
00:30:59,360 –> 00:31:01,880
bad.
And this isn’t the only report
510
00:31:02,040 –> 00:31:03,280
that has suggested this.
I.
511
00:31:03,280 –> 00:31:05,240
Like to imagine there’s still
one guy out there who’s like
512
00:31:05,480 –> 00:31:09,880
lead is a safe and effective way
to make food heavier and more
513
00:31:09,880 –> 00:31:13,320
filling.
There’s got to be, there’s got
514
00:31:13,320 –> 00:31:17,240
to be like advocates for lead.
I think I’m more concerned about
515
00:31:17,240 –> 00:31:20,000
microplastics being in the water
than fluoride.
516
00:31:20,240 –> 00:31:23,240
Yeah, that’s probably a bigger
threat for sure.
517
00:31:24,000 –> 00:31:26,480
I feel like I have room to care
about both.
518
00:31:26,960 –> 00:31:29,840
It doesn’t cost me an extra to
care about both.
519
00:31:30,240 –> 00:31:33,320
I can hold space for fluoride.
Yeah, I’m not doing shit about
520
00:31:33,320 –> 00:31:35,880
either 1 so it’s not extra work
so.
521
00:31:36,160 –> 00:31:38,600
I’m, I’m, I’m moving my kids in
the fluoride state.
522
00:31:38,760 –> 00:31:40,720
Their third eyes are going to be
unmolested.
523
00:31:43,480 –> 00:31:47,520
And so at the end of this report
that came out in 2006, they do
524
00:31:47,560 –> 00:31:52,400
recommend that the EPA lower the
acceptable level of fluoride in
525
00:31:52,400 –> 00:31:55,960
drinking water and the EPA
declined to do that.
526
00:31:56,320 –> 00:32:00,400
There have been other government
entities that have actually
527
00:32:00,400 –> 00:32:04,000
lowered their suggested levels
of fluoride and drinking water
528
00:32:04,000 –> 00:32:07,080
based on these various reports
so.
529
00:32:07,200 –> 00:32:09,720
Just like of their own volition.
Yeah, that’s nice.
530
00:32:09,720 –> 00:32:13,480
Somebody, somebody cares.
So, yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s
531
00:32:13,480 –> 00:32:16,280
possible.
And I don’t think there’s been
532
00:32:16,280 –> 00:32:20,920
like a noticeable impact on
people not having fluoride in
533
00:32:20,920 –> 00:32:22,800
their drinking water.
Yeah, it’s not like there’s like
534
00:32:22,800 –> 00:32:25,000
everyone in West Covina’s teeth
are falling the.
535
00:32:25,000 –> 00:32:29,280
Fuck out of their heads.
But they’re also not smarter,
536
00:32:29,320 –> 00:32:33,960
so.
There was actually an issue with
537
00:32:33,960 –> 00:32:37,960
fluoride that caused the levels
to be reduced in that.
538
00:32:38,080 –> 00:32:40,400
One of the things that can
actually cause which this is
539
00:32:40,520 –> 00:32:44,680
ironic is like pitting and
yellowing of the teeth and the
540
00:32:44,680 –> 00:32:47,160
enamel in the teeth.
I do know of that.
541
00:32:47,160 –> 00:32:50,800
There was a girl that I was like
good friends with in fifth grade
542
00:32:50,800 –> 00:32:55,400
that she had like yellow lines
deep into her teeth from the
543
00:32:55,400 –> 00:32:57,520
dentist putting too much
fluoride on it.
544
00:32:57,960 –> 00:33:00,400
Oh shit, that’s the dentist’s
fault, not the water.
545
00:33:00,720 –> 00:33:03,440
Wow, what a shitty thing to have
in fifth grade.
546
00:33:03,600 –> 00:33:05,760
Yeah, when everyone is so
understanding.
547
00:33:05,800 –> 00:33:09,240
You’re nice.
Fluoride doesn’t kill people.
548
00:33:09,240 –> 00:33:11,280
Dentists kill people.
Exactly.
549
00:33:11,760 –> 00:33:14,840
I would actually buy that given.
You know, I think this is the
550
00:33:14,840 –> 00:33:17,680
lazy ass dentist just trying to
get to trying to fucking have
551
00:33:17,680 –> 00:33:21,280
the the national water supply
pick up the slack for their
552
00:33:21,280 –> 00:33:23,520
laziness.
They just don’t want to send
553
00:33:23,520 –> 00:33:25,400
those postcards in the mail
every every year on your
554
00:33:25,400 –> 00:33:26,800
birthday, they remind you to
come in.
555
00:33:28,080 –> 00:33:32,760
It does also kind of absolve the
government of responsibility
556
00:33:32,880 –> 00:33:37,280
when it comes to poor kids and
poor people in their access to
557
00:33:37,640 –> 00:33:41,840
dental healthcare.
Yeah, you can be like, hey, we
558
00:33:41,840 –> 00:33:43,600
put the fluoride, come on, put
the.
559
00:33:44,280 –> 00:33:46,240
Fluoride in the water, they’re
fucking fine.
560
00:33:46,600 –> 00:33:49,040
What more do you want?
I assume I’ve been drinking
561
00:33:49,040 –> 00:33:53,400
fluoride in my water and I’ve
had plenty of cavities over the
562
00:33:53,400 –> 00:33:55,360
years.
Now eat your honey bunches of
563
00:33:55,360 –> 00:34:02,320
lead.
So the thing that has the anti
564
00:34:02,400 –> 00:34:09,000
fluoride crowd most up in arms
now is in August 2024 report
565
00:34:09,120 –> 00:34:12,239
from the US National Toxicology
Program.
566
00:34:12,360 –> 00:34:16,880
This is an actual federal agency
operating not during the Trump
567
00:34:16,880 –> 00:34:20,600
administration.
And their report found, quote,
568
00:34:20,600 –> 00:34:24,159
with moderate confidence, End
Quote, that there is a link
569
00:34:24,159 –> 00:34:28,159
between higher levels of
fluoride exposure and lower IQ
570
00:34:28,440 –> 00:34:31,600
in kids.
The Associated Press talked to a
571
00:34:31,600 –> 00:34:35,360
researcher who focuses on
fluoride in water named Ashley
572
00:34:35,360 –> 00:34:37,760
Mallon at the University of
Florida.
573
00:34:37,880 –> 00:34:40,840
She said this report is, quote,
the most rigorously conducted
574
00:34:40,840 –> 00:34:43,199
report of its kind.
End Quote.
575
00:34:43,360 –> 00:34:48,719
I would like to argue though
that maybe kids who aren’t don’t
576
00:34:48,719 –> 00:34:51,880
have so much fluoride.
It’s because they’re more in
577
00:34:51,880 –> 00:34:55,560
like affluent areas where they
have water filters and Brita
578
00:34:55,560 –> 00:34:59,560
filters that help, you know,
reverse osmosis and that.
579
00:34:59,560 –> 00:35:02,880
So maybe that’s why they’re not
exposed to so much fluoride.
580
00:35:02,880 –> 00:35:08,240
And because they’re in more
higher affluent neighborhoods,
581
00:35:08,240 –> 00:35:10,840
they have better education
systems in play.
582
00:35:11,080 –> 00:35:13,800
You know, at least I’ve I’ve
never seen a Brita filter in a
583
00:35:13,800 –> 00:35:17,080
bad neighborhood.
You’re right, that’s never been
584
00:35:17,080 –> 00:35:19,240
a priority.
Right, exactly.
585
00:35:19,680 –> 00:35:21,720
I guess my push back to that
would be how do you know they
586
00:35:21,720 –> 00:35:23,960
didn’t take that into account?
Well, how do you know that they
587
00:35:23,960 –> 00:35:25,720
did?
Well, I’m just saying like,
588
00:35:27,560 –> 00:35:30,880
these are fucking scientists.
Like they’re not podcasters
589
00:35:30,880 –> 00:35:32,920
like.
Yeah, well, who are they working
590
00:35:32,920 –> 00:35:34,960
for?
We just talked that scientists
591
00:35:34,960 –> 00:35:38,840
can be easily influenced.
Yeah, they sure can be, but
592
00:35:38,960 –> 00:35:42,800
sometimes they’re not.
Also, like, I mean, it’s not
593
00:35:42,800 –> 00:35:45,160
bullshit.
Modern scientists can be
594
00:35:45,320 –> 00:35:48,080
influenced.
My favorite example of it that I
595
00:35:48,080 –> 00:35:53,440
cite all the fucking time, there
is a report that claims vaping
596
00:35:53,600 –> 00:35:58,320
nicotine juice, like vape liquid
and cigarettes have the same
597
00:35:58,600 –> 00:36:01,280
chemicals in them.
And they sure do.
598
00:36:01,440 –> 00:36:04,400
But when they say that, what
they mean is cigarettes and
599
00:36:04,400 –> 00:36:08,400
vapes have the same chemicals
that force Disneyland to put up
600
00:36:08,400 –> 00:36:11,640
a sign that says, hey, there’s
like shit in the air that could
601
00:36:11,640 –> 00:36:14,680
give you cancer.
There are chemicals that are in
602
00:36:15,080 –> 00:36:20,640
everything, so of course they’re
in cigarettes and vape liquid
603
00:36:20,800 –> 00:36:23,800
both.
What’s not in vape liquid is
604
00:36:23,800 –> 00:36:26,640
fucking strychnine and all that
crazy shit.
605
00:36:26,880 –> 00:36:31,120
That they are.
In cigarettes to make them as
606
00:36:31,120 –> 00:36:33,560
dangerous as they are.
Well, whether or not they’re
607
00:36:33,560 –> 00:36:36,320
right, I am stealing the phrase
with moderate confidence.
608
00:36:37,040 –> 00:36:39,800
It’s with moderate confidence.
I’d like to ask you out to
609
00:36:39,800 –> 00:36:43,320
dinner sometime.
But with this vaping report,
610
00:36:43,440 –> 00:36:48,720
when kids were getting popcorn
lung from not even jewel pods,
611
00:36:48,720 –> 00:36:51,600
it was from like bootleg THC
pods.
612
00:36:51,800 –> 00:36:55,480
The New York Times cited that
report and said this study
613
00:36:55,480 –> 00:36:58,920
showed that cigarettes and vapes
have the same chemicals in them,
614
00:36:59,240 –> 00:37:02,520
but they didn’t link to it.
And I thought that it was weird,
615
00:37:02,640 –> 00:37:06,240
so I went out and found it.
And all you have to do is read
616
00:37:06,240 –> 00:37:09,160
it to see that they’re not
talking about what you think of
617
00:37:09,200 –> 00:37:12,320
when people say chemicals in
cigarettes.
618
00:37:12,520 –> 00:37:17,160
And at the bottom there was a
financial disclosures Section 2
619
00:37:17,160 –> 00:37:20,600
of the doctors who worked on it.
We’re also trying to secure a
620
00:37:20,600 –> 00:37:24,360
patent for a smoking cessation
device.
621
00:37:24,840 –> 00:37:30,120
So they had all the motive in
the world to claim vapes have
622
00:37:30,120 –> 00:37:33,120
the same chemicals as cigarettes
because they want you to quit
623
00:37:33,120 –> 00:37:36,280
smoking their way.
Isn’t smoking and vaping bad
624
00:37:36,280 –> 00:37:38,040
enough?
What do you have to make vaping
625
00:37:38,040 –> 00:37:39,200
worse?
Like it already?
626
00:37:39,200 –> 00:37:42,960
It’s obviously stinks.
This study, There were studies
627
00:37:42,960 –> 00:37:47,840
conducted in Canada, China,
India, Iran, Pakistan, and
628
00:37:47,840 –> 00:37:51,360
Mexico that all concluded that
drinking water containing more
629
00:37:51,360 –> 00:37:56,360
than 1.5 milligrams of fluoride
per liter is consistently
630
00:37:56,360 –> 00:37:58,920
associated with lower Iqs in
kids.
631
00:37:59,200 –> 00:38:02,240
I mean, it seems like it’s at
least worth looking into.
632
00:38:02,720 –> 00:38:05,320
The phrase with moderate
confidence makes me take them
633
00:38:05,320 –> 00:38:07,160
more seriously.
Like they’re not like they’re
634
00:38:07,160 –> 00:38:08,680
like it.
That sounds like someone who’s
635
00:38:08,680 –> 00:38:11,400
actually trying to give you a
measured opinion, you know?
636
00:38:11,600 –> 00:38:15,320
And I also feel like a lot of
the pushback to this just boils
637
00:38:15,320 –> 00:38:17,720
down to, well, it’s Republicans
saying it.
638
00:38:17,840 –> 00:38:20,640
I don’t want to agree with what
Republicans are saying.
639
00:38:20,640 –> 00:38:23,600
And like, that’s not science.
That’s not.
640
00:38:24,080 –> 00:38:25,560
Yeah, that’s the opposite of
science.
641
00:38:25,800 –> 00:38:28,440
That’s like fundamentalism.
That’s ID.
642
00:38:28,440 –> 00:38:33,160
That’s like ideological racism.
Like my idea is was born better
643
00:38:33,160 –> 00:38:35,080
than your idea.
Yeah, a little bit.
644
00:38:35,280 –> 00:38:38,040
And like, I don’t, I don’t know.
I don’t have a dog in this
645
00:38:38,040 –> 00:38:40,520
fight.
I don’t fucking care.
646
00:38:40,640 –> 00:38:42,400
So I don’t know.
It just doesn’t.
647
00:38:42,400 –> 00:38:45,800
I don’t care about the children.
I don’t care about fluoride and.
648
00:38:46,560 –> 00:38:49,720
Drinking water.
Like, not remotely.
649
00:38:50,120 –> 00:38:53,440
Yeah, but you said but before,
but wasn’t the lower IQ it’s
650
00:38:53,440 –> 00:38:58,600
only like a a point or two?
Yeah, but still, if that’s your
651
00:38:58,680 –> 00:39:01,880
argument for keeping it, that’s
a terrible argument.
652
00:39:02,040 –> 00:39:04,680
Well, maybe the kid was just
having a bad day and then you
653
00:39:04,680 –> 00:39:07,000
should test him again.
I mean, it seems like they’ve
654
00:39:07,000 –> 00:39:10,360
been a lot of tests.
That’s what this report is
655
00:39:10,360 –> 00:39:14,240
saying, is that they’ve been
tests conducted all around the
656
00:39:14,240 –> 00:39:16,120
world.
Yeah, but you’re also doing it
657
00:39:16,120 –> 00:39:21,000
in like, India, in Pakistan.
Oh, India, one of the only other
658
00:39:21,000 –> 00:39:23,080
countries with a fucking space
program.
659
00:39:23,080 –> 00:39:26,560
Yeah, those fucking dullards.
World’s biggest democracy.
660
00:39:26,560 –> 00:39:28,680
What a fucking bunch of idiots
they are.
661
00:39:28,680 –> 00:39:31,960
I don’t trust science from
science.
662
00:39:32,080 –> 00:39:33,120
From.
India.
663
00:39:33,360 –> 00:39:37,960
No, I’m just saying they have a
wider pool of like things that I
664
00:39:37,960 –> 00:39:40,320
don’t know, things that can go
wrong do.
665
00:39:41,120 –> 00:39:42,960
You work for the fluoride
industry.
666
00:39:43,120 –> 00:39:45,760
I do actually.
That’s why.
667
00:39:45,760 –> 00:39:48,600
That’s why I have great teeth.
That’s all the fluoride money.
668
00:39:48,760 –> 00:39:51,680
I actually have a reverse
osmosis water filter so I don’t
669
00:39:51,680 –> 00:39:54,920
even drink that shit.
We need a smiling woman to sell
670
00:39:54,920 –> 00:39:59,760
this to the podcast crowd.
It’s actually in bottled water
671
00:39:59,760 –> 00:40:01,080
too.
I didn’t realize that.
672
00:40:01,120 –> 00:40:03,160
A lot of bottled water.
Yeah.
673
00:40:03,200 –> 00:40:06,320
That was how I was protecting my
pineal gland, yeah.
674
00:40:06,320 –> 00:40:10,080
I remember growing up there was
water that would that would like
675
00:40:10,320 –> 00:40:14,280
advertise I had fluoride in it.
I also don’t know that water
676
00:40:14,280 –> 00:40:17,800
filters remove it.
Even that Ross reverse osmosis
677
00:40:17,800 –> 00:40:21,240
one because those those get rid
of the microplastics.
678
00:40:21,760 –> 00:40:24,520
Well, I guess I’m going to be
out out in my front lawn boiling
679
00:40:24,520 –> 00:40:27,720
water outside my apartment like
a fucking pioneer.
680
00:40:28,640 –> 00:40:30,680
What are you doing, con man?
No, just trying to be a free
681
00:40:30,680 –> 00:40:33,320
thinker.
Yeah, I don’t know.
682
00:40:33,320 –> 00:40:37,120
I found researching this
actually pretty interesting
683
00:40:37,280 –> 00:40:40,160
because all I’d ever heard is
like communist plot and shit,
684
00:40:40,280 –> 00:40:44,600
but I don’t know, if there’s a
possibility that it’s not good,
685
00:40:44,920 –> 00:40:49,080
then I don’t see the point in
advocating for it or sticking
686
00:40:49,080 –> 00:40:50,760
with it.
Science changes.
687
00:40:50,960 –> 00:40:54,000
I was about to say, what did we
come up with in the 40s that
688
00:40:54,000 –> 00:40:56,200
we’re still doing besides
nuclear bombs?
689
00:40:57,640 –> 00:41:00,680
Yeah, and even that we only just
did the two.
690
00:41:01,200 –> 00:41:03,440
Yeah.
Shit, that was intense.
691
00:41:03,680 –> 00:41:06,440
For now.
Yeah, for now, I don’t know.
692
00:41:06,440 –> 00:41:11,280
And yeah, Connor, you added the
pineal gland, so see at the end.
693
00:41:11,800 –> 00:41:16,000
This is Connor’s little
dreadlock Patchouli, Joe Rogan
694
00:41:16,000 –> 00:41:18,520
five years ago, alternative
archaeology theory.
695
00:41:18,720 –> 00:41:21,200
And I only bring it up because
it is weird like you like you
696
00:41:21,200 –> 00:41:23,160
look at this shit.
It is weird like, you know that
697
00:41:23,160 –> 00:41:25,720
Egyptian eye that you’ve seen a
million times, the cool looking
698
00:41:25,720 –> 00:41:27,960
eye with the eyebrow and the
little curlicue that comes out
699
00:41:27,960 –> 00:41:30,400
of the bottom.
There is a gland in the human
700
00:41:30,400 –> 00:41:33,680
brain called the pineal gland
that looks exactly like this
701
00:41:33,680 –> 00:41:36,440
eye, are very, very, very
similar to this eye.
702
00:41:36,640 –> 00:41:43,520
And weirdly enough, it is a sort
of like a the Lynch trap for
703
00:41:43,760 –> 00:41:46,280
fluoride.
It absorbs fluoride.
704
00:41:46,280 –> 00:41:48,040
It started the calcium in the
gland.
705
00:41:48,400 –> 00:41:52,040
And the spiritual new age
conspiracy people will tell you
706
00:41:52,400 –> 00:41:55,880
that the fluoride in the water
is there to calcify your pineal
707
00:41:55,880 –> 00:41:59,920
gland, harden it so that you
can’t use your spiritual sight.
708
00:41:59,920 –> 00:42:02,840
You can’t use your third eye
inside your brain.
709
00:42:03,240 –> 00:42:07,640
So if you want to really stay
woke, you only drink pussy juice
710
00:42:07,640 –> 00:42:10,640
like me.
That’s that’s the only liquid
711
00:42:10,640 –> 00:42:15,040
that’s pure and clean.
So that must be why the pineal
712
00:42:15,040 –> 00:42:18,040
gland is at the center of so
many conspiracies.
713
00:42:18,040 –> 00:42:22,240
Because it it does, it is shaped
like exactly like that eye.
714
00:42:22,560 –> 00:42:24,960
Yeah, I think that, I think
that’s got a lot to do with it.
715
00:42:25,160 –> 00:42:29,120
And that’s why Democrats, like,
pickle them and eat them out of
716
00:42:29,240 –> 00:42:31,240
children’s brains.
Well, that’s where the
717
00:42:31,240 –> 00:42:33,720
adrenochrome is stored at them
to bring a full circle.
718
00:42:33,960 –> 00:42:37,520
And if I’m not mistaken, they do
that to stay young, like Nancy
719
00:42:37,520 –> 00:42:39,640
Pelosi and Dianne Feinstein and
shit.
720
00:42:39,880 –> 00:42:44,960
Who are looking great.
Yeah, ladies Sleigh, welcome to
721
00:42:44,960 –> 00:42:47,680
the Resistance.
Yeah, So I don’t know.
722
00:42:47,840 –> 00:42:51,040
I don’t know.
I I guess I I guess I’m more on
723
00:42:51,040 –> 00:42:55,880
the fence about this than I used
to be, but I’ve also never had
724
00:42:55,880 –> 00:42:59,120
strong feelings either way about
fluoride.
725
00:42:59,520 –> 00:43:02,440
Well, long time listeners of the
show will know that I believe
726
00:43:02,440 –> 00:43:05,440
whatever is the most fun and
amusing to me, and I like to
727
00:43:05,440 –> 00:43:07,160
believe they’re trying to take
my ancient Egyptian super
728
00:43:07,240 –> 00:43:09,520
superpowers away.
So that’s where I’m at.
729
00:43:09,720 –> 00:43:12,200
I mean.
Elise, of course, a shill for
730
00:43:12,200 –> 00:43:14,120
Big Fluoride.
I am.
731
00:43:14,920 –> 00:43:17,760
I still think it’s fine.
I think it’s just a a lot of
732
00:43:17,760 –> 00:43:20,320
hoopla and there’s better things
to be researching.
733
00:43:20,640 –> 00:43:22,320
Like.
Cancer.
734
00:43:23,400 –> 00:43:25,400
All right, OK.
That’s a pretty good one.
735
00:43:25,640 –> 00:43:27,720
Yeah, I think.
Forgot about cancer?
736
00:43:29,240 –> 00:43:31,760
It would it would be crazy if
just no one’s looking into
737
00:43:31,760 –> 00:43:33,800
cancer right now.
Well, they didn’t.
738
00:43:33,800 –> 00:43:38,000
They defend the Cancer Research.
No, I think all the scientists
739
00:43:38,000 –> 00:43:40,160
are trying to come up with a new
sort of energy drink that makes
740
00:43:40,160 –> 00:43:42,960
you horny.
No, but for real, they pulled
741
00:43:42,960 –> 00:43:46,840
funding for Cancer Research like
this week or last week.
742
00:43:47,560 –> 00:43:49,960
Oh well, that doesn’t sound like
the Trump administration.
743
00:43:52,160 –> 00:43:55,640
Donald J Trump, yeah.
Maybe cancer’s not real.
744
00:43:55,800 –> 00:44:00,640
Did you ever think about that?
It’s a liberal conspiracy, yeah.
745
00:44:00,840 –> 00:44:04,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
His name’s Baron, not Karen.
746
00:44:04,080 –> 00:44:09,960
You know, he’s, he doesn’t care.
So yeah, the fluoride in the
747
00:44:09,960 –> 00:44:11,960
drinking water, I don’t know.
I don’t know.
748
00:44:12,320 –> 00:44:14,680
Keep it, get ready.
Now the cuts.
749
00:44:14,920 –> 00:44:18,240
A couple of IQ points.
Yeah, I mean, if it’s just a
750
00:44:18,240 –> 00:44:22,600
couple of IQ points.
I’d rather have a few IQ points
751
00:44:22,600 –> 00:44:25,840
knocked off and have bad fucking
teeth, I’ll tell you that.
752
00:44:26,800 –> 00:44:29,600
Yeah, bad teeth is pretty rough.
It is.
753
00:44:29,920 –> 00:44:33,720
And drinking water alone will
keep you from having bad teeth.
754
00:44:33,720 –> 00:44:37,000
We all know that.
Try.
755
00:44:37,000 –> 00:44:38,400
Homeless people have great
teeth.
756
00:44:39,720 –> 00:44:42,600
Yeah.
So I think that’s our episode.
757
00:44:42,720 –> 00:44:47,400
Do we have any final thoughts on
fluoride in drinking water or
758
00:44:47,400 –> 00:44:49,080
RFK?
Junior’s terrible God damn
759
00:44:49,080 –> 00:44:52,520
voice.
Boil your water, pray to the sun
760
00:44:52,520 –> 00:44:57,320
God raw, make your sacrifices to
Horus, and give thanks because a
761
00:44:57,320 –> 00:45:00,720
new day is coming in America.
Has anyone ever drank boiled
762
00:45:00,720 –> 00:45:02,360
water?
No.
763
00:45:03,840 –> 00:45:05,720
It is wretched.
It tastes so bad.
764
00:45:05,960 –> 00:45:06,600
Oh.
That’s weird.
765
00:45:07,000 –> 00:45:07,600
Yeah.
I don’t know.
766
00:45:07,600 –> 00:45:09,280
It’s supposed to taste super
clean and pure.
767
00:45:09,680 –> 00:45:13,240
You would think, but it doesn’t.
Does it taste like a campfire?
768
00:45:13,440 –> 00:45:15,880
No, it just, I don’t know, it
just tastes gross.
769
00:45:15,880 –> 00:45:19,200
It’s got a weird after taste.
You’re drinking it while it’s
770
00:45:19,280 –> 00:45:19,920
boiling?
Yeah.
771
00:45:20,560 –> 00:45:25,000
Yeah, it might have been.
Not what you’re supposed to do.
772
00:45:25,240 –> 00:45:28,720
To toughen himself up like taxi
driver, I drink more than water.
773
00:45:28,880 –> 00:45:30,640
I don’t know.
I think that we should be more
774
00:45:30,640 –> 00:45:33,840
concerned about microplastics
being in the water than fluoride
775
00:45:33,840 –> 00:45:35,680
at this point.
Yeah.
776
00:45:35,680 –> 00:45:39,920
I also kind of feel like we
should just be concerned about
777
00:45:39,920 –> 00:45:45,360
anything that’s in our water.
I don’t get why it has to be a
778
00:45:45,360 –> 00:45:50,800
one or the other thing.
Why not worry about fluoride in
779
00:45:50,800 –> 00:45:52,880
our water?
And it seems like there is
780
00:45:52,880 –> 00:45:56,920
science that suggests it’s not
providing the same benefit
781
00:45:57,040 –> 00:46:00,920
science thought it was going to
when they started putting it in
782
00:46:01,000 –> 00:46:03,520
drinking water.
And mustn’t it be cheaper to
783
00:46:03,520 –> 00:46:05,680
take it out?
Like it must cost something to
784
00:46:05,680 –> 00:46:08,040
put it in?
You know, like, does no one want
785
00:46:08,040 –> 00:46:11,040
to save money?
It seems like from that 40s
786
00:46:11,040 –> 00:46:14,560
thing that it’s cheaper to leave
it in than filter it out.
787
00:46:14,720 –> 00:46:17,240
What do you mean?
The corporate polluter theory,
788
00:46:17,240 –> 00:46:21,160
There was fluoride in the water.
So instead of just getting rid
789
00:46:21,160 –> 00:46:24,400
of it, they enlisted the help of
scientists to say that no, it’s
790
00:46:24,400 –> 00:46:26,920
fine, so let’s just leave it in
there, right?
791
00:46:27,160 –> 00:46:28,840
Yeah.
So that wouldn’t it be cost
792
00:46:28,840 –> 00:46:31,120
money to filter it out, then
just leave it in there.
793
00:46:31,320 –> 00:46:32,960
Where’s the fluoride coming
from?
794
00:46:33,840 –> 00:46:36,760
Is it just runoff?
Yeah, it’s a runoff chemical
795
00:46:36,760 –> 00:46:40,680
that enters water that way also,
which could also be
796
00:46:40,880 –> 00:46:45,040
justification for not adding
more of it to the water, I would
797
00:46:45,200 –> 00:46:49,120
think, because it does cause
problems in higher doses.
798
00:46:49,160 –> 00:46:53,880
Like they had to cut the amount
because of cosmetic problems
799
00:46:53,880 –> 00:46:58,280
that it was causing.
So it’s not like there’s nothing
800
00:46:58,280 –> 00:47:00,920
to the idea that fluoride might
be harmful.
801
00:47:01,200 –> 00:47:02,560
Or that they can’t manipulate
it?
802
00:47:02,720 –> 00:47:05,840
Yeah, it sounds like they just
have an acceptable amount in it
803
00:47:05,840 –> 00:47:10,080
and they’re like it’s fine if
you don’t be filtered anymore.
804
00:47:10,360 –> 00:47:12,720
If this was pissed, would we
even be talking about it?
805
00:47:13,040 –> 00:47:16,680
That’s not really what that
theory is or what the thinking
806
00:47:16,680 –> 00:47:18,840
behind it was.
It wasn’t the government going,
807
00:47:18,840 –> 00:47:22,040
oh, it’s fine to have that much
fluoride in water.
808
00:47:22,040 –> 00:47:26,560
It was them knowing they were
going to get sued for letting
809
00:47:26,560 –> 00:47:28,680
all of this fluoride get into
the water.
810
00:47:28,960 –> 00:47:33,720
So they manipulated scientists
to say fluoride was safe in
811
00:47:33,720 –> 00:47:36,320
water so then they could explain
why it was there.
812
00:47:36,520 –> 00:47:38,920
There was no point where the
government was like, yeah, it’s
813
00:47:38,920 –> 00:47:40,720
fine.
Like, fluoride’s fine.
814
00:47:40,720 –> 00:47:43,680
We should just keep it there.
Like, if that theory is correct,
815
00:47:43,680 –> 00:47:45,600
that’s not what the government
was getting at.
816
00:47:45,600 –> 00:47:48,760
They weren’t getting at They
just didn’t want to get sued for
817
00:47:48,760 –> 00:47:51,720
it being there, which I don’t
know.
818
00:47:51,760 –> 00:47:53,920
That doesn’t sound like the
American government at all.
819
00:47:56,080 –> 00:48:01,000
So, yeah, drink more water.
Everybody got to, no matter
820
00:48:01,000 –> 00:48:03,760
what, even if there’s fluoride
in it, it’s so good for you.
821
00:48:03,880 –> 00:48:05,000
It’s good to.
Be hydrated.
822
00:48:05,000 –> 00:48:07,640
It’s good for your skin.
Yeah, it’s good for everything.
823
00:48:08,160 –> 00:48:11,440
It compliments on my skin all
the time and it’s not a joke.
824
00:48:11,640 –> 00:48:14,440
Adam is Dewey.
He’s a he’s, he’s got a Dewey
825
00:48:14,520 –> 00:48:16,760
complexion.
It’s it’s it’s enviable.
826
00:48:17,040 –> 00:48:19,400
I drink an obscene amount of
water, that’s why.
827
00:48:19,680 –> 00:48:23,120
He’s he’s currently holding up a
a sort of a medieval flagging
828
00:48:23,120 –> 00:48:26,440
this.
Is a 40 oz swell water bottle.
829
00:48:26,480 –> 00:48:30,080
I cannot recommends well enough.
It will keep your water fucking
830
00:48:30,080 –> 00:48:34,120
cold for like 24 hours and
doesn’t need that, you know?
831
00:48:34,360 –> 00:48:39,120
Better than a Stanley mug.
Yeah, and also, you’re not going
832
00:48:39,120 –> 00:48:42,520
to get like, trampled by a group
of tweens if you show up at the
833
00:48:42,520 –> 00:48:45,400
store on the wrong Stanley mug
drop day.
834
00:48:46,080 –> 00:48:50,760
I I told Connor I’ve been
fucking fiending to get my hands
835
00:48:50,760 –> 00:48:53,960
on an Olivia Rodrigo Stanley
mug.
836
00:48:54,320 –> 00:48:58,520
That’s right.
Because those if you can get one
837
00:48:58,520 –> 00:49:01,400
before they sell out, you can
flip that bitch on eBay for like
838
00:49:01,560 –> 00:49:03,360
5 times what you paid for.
Oh my.
839
00:49:03,800 –> 00:49:06,920
God, so this is not like your
affinity for Mariah Carey albums
840
00:49:06,920 –> 00:49:10,240
like Adam just every once in a
while has a bean, has bought it
841
00:49:10,240 –> 00:49:14,560
about some diva artifact that he
must have like it’s of a wax
842
00:49:14,560 –> 00:49:18,280
bust of Aretha Franklin.
Yeah, I mean, I do, I, I fuck
843
00:49:18,280 –> 00:49:22,760
with the music of Olivia
Rodrigo, but no, I’m, I’m not
844
00:49:22,760 –> 00:49:25,800
trying to walk around with a
lavender Stanley mug.
845
00:49:25,800 –> 00:49:29,000
I was just.
This is a capitalist pursuit.
846
00:49:29,160 –> 00:49:32,640
Yeah, absolutely.
So hey, that’s our episode.
847
00:49:32,840 –> 00:49:35,840
Elise Connor, thank you both for
doing the pod.
848
00:49:35,960 –> 00:49:40,320
What do we have to plug before
we get out of here?
849
00:49:41,160 –> 00:49:45,960
Patreon.com slash on Pops you
don’t pod.supercast.com go there
850
00:49:45,960 –> 00:49:49,120
and get bonus episodes and shit.
Elise, what do you got to plug?
851
00:49:49,640 –> 00:49:52,440
You should all buy ripple.
It’s a cryptocurrency.
852
00:49:52,440 –> 00:49:55,240
Buy it.
Bump that shit so I can sell it
853
00:49:57,200 –> 00:49:58,920
I.
Think you’re misgendering it.
854
00:49:58,920 –> 00:50:01,680
I think it’s called XORP.
No, it’s called Ripple too.
855
00:50:02,280 –> 00:50:04,680
XORP is just the.
The ticker name.
856
00:50:05,080 –> 00:50:08,040
I’m sorry, Connor, do you do?
I just haven’t explained.
857
00:50:08,040 –> 00:50:12,120
Anything to anyone at all.
Oh my God, yeah, I hate you all
858
00:50:12,320 –> 00:50:16,240
right.
Connor, aside from mansplaining,
859
00:50:16,240 –> 00:50:19,520
what do you want to plug?
Buy my water filtration system.
860
00:50:19,520 –> 00:50:22,720
Drink like a pharaoh.
Free yourself from mental
861
00:50:22,720 –> 00:50:25,080
prison.
Emancipate yourself from mental
862
00:50:25,080 –> 00:50:26,720
slavery.
No one but yourself can free
863
00:50:26,720 –> 00:50:29,520
your mind.
That was King Tut who said that
864
00:50:30,320 –> 00:50:32,920
is.
Listen to the Mean Boys podcast
865
00:50:32,920 –> 00:50:36,200
Hilarious Cavalcade of Comedy.
All right, let’s get the fuck
866
00:50:36,200 –> 00:50:38,000
out of here.
Elise, say goodbye.
867
00:50:38,400 –> 00:50:40,520
Bye.
Honor, say goodbye.
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Goodbye.
Bye everybody, we love you.