Adam and Connor discuss an obscure documentary that makes a highly convincing argument that Jim Morrison, front man of legendary rock band The Doors, faked his death in the early-70s and is still alive.
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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to
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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown,
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joining me as Co host this week.
Connor’s here.
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How’s it going, man?
Hey, hey, hey.
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We are talking about some shit
this week.
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This was sort of an emergency
episode because I found out this
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documentary existed a couple
days ago and then had to swing
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into action to record an episode
about it.
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It kind of ties into a bonus
episode that’s going up this
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week where we do a track by
track review of the first and
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only Charles Manson album.
True Charles Manson album.
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The OG, The real 1.
Yeah, with Charlie singing none
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of this, None of this fucking
the Doors other voices shit.
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The family band Get out of Here,
we’re talking about Jim Morrison
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and the theory that maybe he
faked his death back in 1971, I
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believe it was, and not only
that, faked his death and is
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alive and well, residing in
Syracuse, NY.
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Now this was a big shocker to me
as a as a big conspiracy he had
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and a big doors fan.
I I think everyone just for the
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most part was like, this guy
seems so much like a dude who
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winds up dead in the bathtub
that when you said you wound up
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dead in the bathtub, we all just
believed you and didn’t
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investigate any further.
Yeah, this is a death I’ve never
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looked at really from a
conspiracy standpoint, because
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you’re right, he does seem like
someone who would just die
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because of the way he lived.
And then someone asked why and
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is it hot dogs and cocaine?
And OK, all right, sure, I’ll
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tell you.
I’ll take that as an
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explanation.
Yeah, the only conspiracy I’ve
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ever really heard about Jim
Morrison was that he might have
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been a government agent.
And let me tell you, this
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documentary kind of undoes that
theory for me.
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Yeah, I think you.
I think he was just more like a
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military brat.
Yeah, he was definitely a child
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of military people, just like
everyone else who made music in
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the 60s.
Seems like they were.
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Especially that Laurel Canyon
scene.
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We did an episode about that
years ago.
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It seems like the recipe to a
like a timeless psychedelic rock
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album was like 1 flat top father
figure telling you that you just
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couldn’t.
Yeah, exactly.
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And we are talking about this by
way of a documentary called
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Before the End Searching for Jim
Morrison.
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I only knew this existed because
I read an article about it the
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other day that was like, holy
shit.
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This documentary has been on
Apple TV Plus since January and
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nobody has said anything about
it.
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It doesn’t really do itself any
favors in that it is a, spoiler
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alert, one of the worst looking
documentaries or even pieces of
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media I have ever seen from an
editing directing standpoint.
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It is visually very, very ugly.
It frequently goes into this
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like negative film effect.
So everything is like the
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opposite color, but that’s not
really helping it.
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But then you look at what the
source material was that’s being
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inverted and it’s not that
interesting anyway.
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So you’re like, maybe this does
help it, It’s just this really
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bad aesthetic choice among many
bad aesthetic choices that
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permeate the entire 3 episode
documentary.
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Yeah, that’s the thing.
I feel like we could absolutely
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get this filmmaker on the pod,
but I would feel bad being like
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honest about the documentary
itself, the information in it,
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the people he talks to.
That’s all really interesting.
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But you’re right the way it’s
executed.
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Yeah, he takes a very revelatory
story and he manages to make it
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almost kind of a slog.
Yeah, it’s for one thing, it’s
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too long.
It’s much like most episodic
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documentaries, this one could
have lost an entire episode.
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Definitely, and this is someone
who doesn’t mind hearing a bunch
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of fun childhood stories about
Jim Morrison being a scamp.
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Like that stuff was all great.
Yeah, but it could have been
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condensed into.
I mean, this could have been 90
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minutes and we would have been
perfectly fine.
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And I think it would have been
better if it was shorter.
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Like a lot of documentaries
would be better if they were
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shorter.
More impactful at least.
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I mean, I guess like I imagine
when you start making something
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like this, you, you get so
obsessed with like dotting all
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your fucking eyes and crossing
all your T’s that you sort of
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think that everyone else is
holding you to the same standard
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and you’re, and you kind of
forget that you’re the only one
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who cares like that.
This happens in a lot of
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creative projects.
You get too close to it and you
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realize that not everyone is
thinking about the sub gradient
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color of the third layer of the
Photoshop project, you know?
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So it to me screamed of needing
an editor at least.
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And it gave me YouTube
documentary vibes, like maybe
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that’s where it started.
And then?
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Let’s be honest, loose change
looked better.
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Loose change looked better in
2001.
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Loose change looked better.
Yeah, in that way, it’s a
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challenge to get through because
it gets like actually annoying
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in parts, just the creative
choices they’re making, like the
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way the dates would like blow
away like dust in the wind when
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they.
Yes, yeah, it it it like a lot,
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a lot of the creative choices
they make.
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I I would be like, OK, yes, I
too have seen a YouTube
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tutorial.
Yes, I too have been excited by
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the fact that I could make
numbers blow away in the wind.
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But the much like the the the
star wipe, you know it’s a
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strong spice in the editor’s
toolbox.
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Yeah, it came off like this guy
took a Coursera class on video
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effects and was like, I’m doing
all of that.
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I think that I looked, I looked
at the editor’s name because the
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editor is a different guy than
the guy who made it.
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And then we like he had some
kind of alias, like he was like
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Serpent 99 or something like
that.
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So I wonder if it was just the
filmmaker trying to be clever.
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Who knows?
But the information in the
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documentary is very interesting
and I think very compelling in
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parts.
I think this documentary should
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have just been the interview
with Frank.
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I would have watched that whole
entire interview.
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Yeah, I did kind of wanted, I
always wanted to see more of
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that uncut.
But instead he sort of pieced it
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out bit by bit, while he’s sort
of like tediously over justified
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every part of the story.
Yeah, he is, especially in that
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near the end of the first
episode, kind of end of the
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second episode, you can tell
he’s, I think justify is the
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right word.
Like the there’s something that
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happens in one of these
interviews and you realize that
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the last like 20 minutes of him
talking to childhood friends of
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Jim Morrison was just all
building up to that one thing.
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And I don’t know, I thought the
interview stuff was way more
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interesting.
Well, I’m reading here that
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Steve Shuster, the editor of
Before the End In Search of Jim
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Morrison, is actually one of the
most sought after up and coming
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editors in Hollywood.
Recently successfully
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transitioning for marketing, he
now works with film makers,
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network studios and producers to
graft film and television
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projects.
So maybe I was wrong about this
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guy.
So this was a pro who did this.
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I shouldn’t do this.
This is me and it’s me and just
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read somebody’s fucking comedy
bio or professional bio or.
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So this documentary opens with
back story about the Doors.
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If people aren’t familiar, The
Doors were a 60’s rock band.
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They were if.
I’ve heard Billy Corgan make
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this comparison himself.
He said if Nirvana was The
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Beatles of the 90s, Smashing
Pumpkins were the Doors of the
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90s.
So just flip that.
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The Doors were basically The
Smashing Pumpkins of the 60s.
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They were the other really,
really huge band, but I think
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they were probably the biggest
American band of that time.
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Yeah, I think so, because the
experience was English.
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Yeah, probably.
We’re the biggest American band
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and they toured too.
They didn’t like, stop touring
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like The Beatles and go in the
studio like they think they were
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doing big ass shows.
And they didn’t sound like any
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other band of that time.
I would argue.
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For one thing, they didn’t have
a bass player, which that’s
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interesting, but they had a
keyboard player.
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And I think Ray Manzarek, the
keyboard player, kind of filled
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in the gaps where there was no
bass.
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I fucking love the Doors.
I’m a huge, huge doors fan.
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There’s a great John Dens.
I don’t know the I don’t
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remember the name of it, but but
definitely if you’re a Doors
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fan, check out Don John
Densmore’s book.
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There’s lots of interesting shit
in there.
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Yeah, I think they’re there’s
way overheated.
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I think it became very in vogue,
very fashionable to kind of be
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too cool for the Doors and I
don’t really know why.
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The musicianship is like
undeniable.
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I think the poetry is, I’d like
it it at the most critical
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viewing of the poetry is that
it’s fine.
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This is that it’s like an
adequate impression of poetry,
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really.
What you know, it’s like, even
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if you know it’s the deepest
thing in the world, like I’m
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with you, but you can’t say
it’s, it doesn’t sound nice.
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Yeah.
You know, like riders on the
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Storm man.
I think a lot of people take
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their idea of what Jim Morrison
was probably like as a person,
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which he does seem like he was
an overbearing human being in
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he.
Seems like a bit much.
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A lot of ways, and I think they
just project that onto the music
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as if, Oh well, the music’s
annoying too.
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No the music, but even pretty
good.
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Even as a guy who’s a bit much,
as a stand up comedian, I’ve
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been around people that are a
bit much my entire adult life.
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Yeah.
Then you come to, you come to
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realize there are people that
are like performatively a bit
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much and there’s people that are
authentically a bit much.
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He strikes me as authentically a
bit much.
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He came out the womb a little
bit much.
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Yeah, yeah, he was an experience
to be around.
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He seemed like.
And yeah, I think and just that
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in the poetry, I think people
just kind of hear poet and
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they’re like, OK, shut the.
Fuck up to doing Jack off motion
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with hand.
But that was what he brought to
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the Doors.
He wrote the lyrics to all those
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songs, and no one else wrote
lyrics like him.
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And his voice fucking ruled.
He’s a fucking incredible
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singer.
That’s the other thing.
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Lest we forget about that.
And I found that part
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interesting.
When they were talking to his
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childhood friends, most of them
were like, we never heard that
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dude sing.
Like we had no clue that he was
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a singer.
That was really interesting.
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He seemed like super shy about
all that.
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Like, he was like, yeah, I know
it could be a rock star, but
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like, I’m not going to like, be
like all extra about it.
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Like, oddly reserved.
He was.
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He seemed like, you know, maybe
he’s waiting for like, UCLA to
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go reinvent himself.
He he needed a new change of
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scenery.
Some people need that.
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Yeah, and he was one of, if not
the first rock star to ever be
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arrested on stage.
That happened in New Haven, CT.
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He wants some bullshit, no less.
Right.
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In both cases in New Haven, it
was just they said he was like
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being obscene and he really
wasn’t.
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We just saw some Elvis stuff,
just like gyrating and shit or.
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Yeah, and in Miami they said he
showed his Dick and.
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He’s like, it’s not my fault if
you could see it through my
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pants, OK?
I’ve seen a picture where it
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looks like what he actually did
was put his hand in his pants
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and then zip his pants down and
stuck his finger out through his
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fly.
Oh yeah, oldest trick in the
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book.
And they were like, good enough,
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we’ll arrest you for that.
Why not?
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This is Florida, pal.
So at the time he died, he was
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facing six months in prison,
which that doesn’t seem like a
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stiff enough fine to want to,
like, throw it all away and fake
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your own death.
But maybe.
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I mean, I get it.
You’re Jim Morrison, you’re
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pretty.
You don’t want to go to prison.
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But.
Yeah.
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And I think it was like a a
labor camp type of prison too.
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Oh, like some weird like Sheriff
Joe Arizona shit where you live
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in a tent and.
Chain gang shit.
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Yeah, well, if if you’ve never
worked a day in your adult life,
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I could see where to throw it
through.
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You know that fucked his life.
I’m not.
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I’m not doing six whole months
of I’m 27.
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That’s most of the time I’ve
been alive six months.
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So the events of his death are
weird.
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He flees to Paris, presumably
because he is sick of the fame
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and also that six month prison
sentence hanging over his head.
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So he’s just trying to
decompress a little bit, get out
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of the country, goes to Paris
with his then girlfriend Pamela
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Corson or just friend, It’s
really unclear.
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She was probably his CIA handler
or something because they talk
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about how they were just
platonic and she was like seeing
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all these drug dealers.
But they also moved to Paris
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together.
He ends up being there less than
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four months before he dies.
The doctors who treated him are
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an interesting detail here
because no one, it seems, has
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ever been able to confirm their
existence.
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The Doctor Who signed his death
certificate and also there’s a
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Doctor Who is supposed to have
prescribed him asthma
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medication.
And at least according to Jeff
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Finn, the person who made this
documentary, neither of those
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people have ever been confirmed
to actually exist.
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Which, that’s weird, if true.
It’s also kind of weird that he
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died of natural causes at 27.
It’s a bit odd and the Doctor
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saying the fact that nobody was
like nobody saw that until until
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old Jeff Finn, Millennial Doors
fan.
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Yeah, I don’t know if the
missing doctors came up.
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Like, I don’t know if he’s the
one who first found that detail
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because this conspiracy’s been
kicking around for a long time.
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Because there’s also the coffin
thing.
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That’s the weirdest part to me.
Jim Morrison is supposed to have
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died in an apartment in Paris,
and as is customary, someone
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brought a coffin to the
apartment.
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He was sealed inside that coffin
and his family never saw him
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after that.
Yeah, totally.
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That’s normal.
That’s the French burial.
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Yeah, completely normal.
So it’s because of shit like
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that that people are like, OK,
well, maybe he faked his own
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death.
One more weird detail.
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When Pam Corson flies back to
America after Jim Morrison dies,
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she has the steel box full of a
bunch of his poems and shit.
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And it has the phrase 127
fascination written on it, which
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write it down.
That’ll be important later.
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So the real story of this
documentary starts in 2016.
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The filmmaker Jeff Finn says he
was pretty much done with the
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documentary at that point.
But then a guy named Frank
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reaches out to him through the
Facebook page that he had set up
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for this movie, and Frank sends
him a picture.
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And this picture on the right
are right.
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There left is clearly John
Densmore, who was the drummer in
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the Doors.
And standing next to him is an
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older man with a big white
beard, white hair, who looks a
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whole lot like Jim Morrison.
A lot.
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Do you agree?
Yeah, it’s pretty like you, you
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sort of, you see the picture,
they reveal the picture and
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you’re like, do we even need
there’s three more episodes
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after this shit?
That’s obviously it’s Jim
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Morrison.
He’s alive.
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Yeah, that’s one of my main
gripes with this documentary.
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I was on board like midway
through episode 1.
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Like I didn’t really need to be
convinced because that picture
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and then a bunch of stuff that
happens when they interviewed
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the guy in that picture, I feel
like there’s no way it’s not Jim
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Morrison.
But they do run an interesting
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thing at the end of this
documentary where this picture,
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they bring it back out, but Jeff
Finn sets it up to where three
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of Jim Morrison’s ex girlfriends
all look at this picture.
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And he tells them, all right,
flip up the right side 1st and
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they flip up the right side and
they’re like, oh, that’s
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obviously John Densmore.
I would know that face anywhere.
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And then they flip up the left
side and there’s this Jim
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Morrison looking fella and every
single one of them is like, oh
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shit, that looks like Jim
Morrison.
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And it does.
And what’s even weirder is Jim
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Morrison had a mole on his face
and this Frank fella has a scar
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where that mole would have been.
And the only real important
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difference is Frank has brown
eyes and Jim Morrison had blue
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eyes.
But even that comes up later and
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they’re able to explain it, I
think.
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Yeah, that like, yeah, that
close up shot towards the end of
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his eyes.
It was was pretty chilling
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because there there there was I
guess enough plausible
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deniability.
I would think like oh, but what
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about the eyes thing?
Like is it contacts?
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Is a really, really an old man
going around putting in brown
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contacts everyday?
You know, like the only people I
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know who put in colored contacts
everyday are furries.
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You know, it’s it’s, it’s a
hassle.
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But yeah, that close up picture
of his eyes, there is a blue
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ring around the outside of his
eyes and I don’t know if that’s
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a normal thing.
It seems like it’s not So this
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Frank guy, he somehow is also
Facebook friends with a bunch of
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Jim Morrisons former friends
that parts.
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But who isn’t I keep up with?
I keep up with John Densbar and
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Rayman, Rayman, Eric Ghost and
the rest.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, he is Rayman Eric, the one
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who died.
I think so, yeah.
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I know one of them died.
He did a pretty excellent Doors
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genre parody with Weird Al
called Craigslist.
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He actually had Ray Manzarek
play keyboards on it and it’s
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pretty funny.
What song was it a parody of?
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It was it was my favorite, the
Weird Al originals.
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Oh shit, it’s just just the John
repair.
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He just sounds like The Doors,
but it’s it’s a song about
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Craigslist.
I like that.
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So Frank reaches out to Jeff
Finn, and he says that he met
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the Doors once backstage at a
show in New York in 1968, and
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that that was the extent of
their interaction.
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Jeff asked for a picture of
Frank from back then, and a few
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days pass and then Frank sends
him an old ID card from 1978.
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Problem is, Jeff Finn, the
filmmaker, immediately finds a
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guy in Syracuse, NY with that
exact same first, middle and
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last name who died in 2015.
And that guy and the guy in the
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ID look a whole lot like.
And they mention that there is
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something that happens in the
intelligence community a lot.
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But that also could happen when
a person fakes their death,
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which is called piggybacking,
where you convince someone to
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let you use their real ID
consensually for whatever covert
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means you need to use it for.
It’s the deal that Adam and I
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set up when we started doing
Conspiracy the show.
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Exactly.
Yeah, Whenever I get pulled
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over, I say I am Connor
Mcspadden.
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Those are my drugs in the
console.
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So I go to jail, but it ends up
on Connor’s record.
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It’s.
And I, in turn, use my buddy
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from high school’s name.
So it kicks it down to him.
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Yeah.
We just basically have like a, a
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sort of a toilet filtration
system of identities where it
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just, it gets worse and worse
until you get to the end, which
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I think is this is, this is is
my friend’s other friend.
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I don’t know exactly where it
ends.
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So Jeff goes to Syracuse to try
and talk to this Frank guy
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because he does not think Frank
is the same person in that ID
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picture.
And I agree that Frank looks
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more like Jim Morrison than the
person in this ID.
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He looks enough like Jim
Morrison for like a cop that
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doesn’t give a shit, you know,
or like a bouncer at a bar,
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like, you know.
Yeah, If he had an ID and it
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said Jim Morrison, you’d be
like, yeah, sure, you’re still
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alive.
He gets a call from Frank after
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he goes to Syracuse, and he
brings a private investigator
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with him.
She’s going to be important
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later and they agree to meet and
this guy he meets does still
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look like Jim Morrison.
He looks like he’s maybe lost
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weight then when he was in that
picture with John Densmore,
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which was apparently around 2014
I think, but it’s clearly the
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same guy in the picture.
I mean, Frank is the one who
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sent him the picture and you got
to wonder why.
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If he is just someone who met
the Doors once at a concert in
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1968, why would he reach out?
Assuming this film maker is
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going to want to talk to him at
all.
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That seems as weird to me as
anything if he’s not Jim
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Morrison.
This is getting ahead of
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ourselves a little bit.
But I think one thing that you
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said when you first introduced
me to the documentary that with
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this in mind, it put a lot, a
lot of the events in context was
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that I think we’re dealing with
the somewhat senile Jim
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Morrison, who’s like half
remembers the old life, half
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remembers the fucking lie, half
remembers the keep it up half
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dozen.
And he just says this kind of
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like weird, contradictory shit.
But it belays the fact that he
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knows a little bit too much
about what he’s not supposed to
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know about, and he sort of tells
on himself.
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And we know Jim Morrison was big
drinker.
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They bring that up when they
talk to his childhood friends.
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They’re like man, that dude was
drinking straight from the
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bottle when we were in high
school.
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He still parties on some level
because he stops the dock for
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like 5 minutes so he can go have
a smoke outside of Denny’s.
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Yeah.
And yeah, it seems like if this
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is Jim Morrison, it is a reduced
mental capacity Jim Morrison and
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probably alcohol related.
I used to bring a band called
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the Windows.
Because he’s definitely Jim
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Morrison.
He died.
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He is said to have died when he
was 27, so it’s perfectly
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reasonable that he could still
be alive.
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All of these childhood friends
they’re talking to are still
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alive.
A couple people from the Doors
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are still alive.
Jim Morrison could still be
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alive.
That’s not impossible at all.
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Elvis is still alive.
Yeah, exactly.
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Elvis is probably dead now, but
he was alive for quite a while,
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yeah.
He is dead in Argentina
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somewhere now.
Only the most American and the
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most sexual rock stars survive
to fake their deaths.
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Elvis, Jim Morrison.
You really got to be virile to
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the USA.
Tupac, that’s a great.
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That’s a great one.
Yeah.
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It’s a perfect example.
How do you want it?
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So I found this part really
interesting.
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If you know anything about Jim
Morrison, we’ve already
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mentioned it.
Poetry.
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That dude loved some goddamn
poets.
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And Frank is supposed to be this
just nondescript maintenance man
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who grew up in upstate New York.
Something like that, you know?
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So Jeff Finn is like, hey, who’s
your favorite poet?
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And Frank goes on at length
about a bunch of different
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poets, and they are all the same
ones that Jim Morrison’s
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childhood friends say he was
absolutely obsessed with,
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including one named Baudelaire.
And they talk about how much of
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A reader Jim Morrison was, how
much he loved that particular
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poet.
And at first, all these
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interviews with his high school
friends, they do drag on for too
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long.
But they are also building to
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something because they’re
confirming details that Frank
434
00:24:50,600 –> 00:24:56,160
will bring up later in this
interview and what that detail
435
00:24:56,160 –> 00:24:59,120
is.
At one point, and this was the
436
00:24:59,120 –> 00:25:02,040
point in the documentary where I
was like, all right, I’m on
437
00:25:02,040 –> 00:25:03,520
board.
He’s going on.
438
00:25:03,520 –> 00:25:06,520
Frank, the guy who this
filmmaker thinks might be Jim
439
00:25:06,520 –> 00:25:11,720
Morrison is just going on at
length about all of these poets
440
00:25:11,800 –> 00:25:16,240
he loves and all of, you know,
just poetry in general.
441
00:25:16,360 –> 00:25:22,160
And then just, like, veers off
and asks about this girl named
442
00:25:22,160 –> 00:25:27,840
Mary that Jim Morrison dated in
college and then flew out to LA
443
00:25:27,840 –> 00:25:31,480
from Florida for a while.
And he’s like, yeah, you
444
00:25:31,480 –> 00:25:35,920
remember, Remember, Jim Morrison
had that girlfriend, Mary, who
445
00:25:35,920 –> 00:25:39,400
he flew out to LA Did you talk
to her at all?
446
00:25:39,520 –> 00:25:41,920
And what, like, what?
How’s she doing?
447
00:25:41,920 –> 00:25:44,920
What did she think about Jim?
Yeah, has she been on my
448
00:25:44,920 –> 00:25:48,320
Facebook?
And it’s like, why would this
449
00:25:48,320 –> 00:25:53,600
man be asking about this random
girlfriend that Jim Morrison had
450
00:25:53,720 –> 00:25:56,760
at one point?
And we later find out one of the
451
00:25:56,760 –> 00:26:00,560
friends, they ask if they think
Jim Morrison could have faked
452
00:26:00,560 –> 00:26:03,840
his death.
And she’s like, yeah, he could
453
00:26:03,840 –> 00:26:05,640
have.
But the only reason I think he
454
00:26:05,640 –> 00:26:08,200
didn’t is he loved that marry
girl too much.
455
00:26:08,240 –> 00:26:12,520
And he would have come back and,
like, checked in on her in some
456
00:26:12,520 –> 00:26:14,760
way.
And now here’s Frank just
457
00:26:14,760 –> 00:26:18,680
randomly bringing up this marry
girl who he should have no
458
00:26:18,680 –> 00:26:22,640
fucking knowledge of at all.
He didn’t know Jim Morrison.
459
00:26:22,640 –> 00:26:26,200
He didn’t know the doors.
So how does he know about this
460
00:26:26,200 –> 00:26:28,680
marry woman?
It’s almost like Frank thought
461
00:26:28,680 –> 00:26:30,840
he could get some interviews,
some info out of the
462
00:26:30,840 –> 00:26:36,200
documentarian, you know, about.
Like, you know, you did all the
463
00:26:36,200 –> 00:26:38,360
digging for me, like what’s
going on with my old life.
464
00:26:38,760 –> 00:26:41,440
But like, I’m not gonna let you
in on the, you know, like you’ll
465
00:26:41,440 –> 00:26:43,680
never, you won’t.
I’m just some other guy, you
466
00:26:44,000 –> 00:26:45,960
know, I’ll blend in with all the
other interviews.
467
00:26:46,320 –> 00:26:48,040
Yeah.
Which is kind of insane when
468
00:26:48,040 –> 00:26:50,640
you’re asking these insanely
specific questions like this is
469
00:26:50,640 –> 00:26:54,000
like if there was like, this is
like if there’s like a 70 year
470
00:26:54,000 –> 00:26:56,960
old man who couldn’t grow a
beard that was wearing a
471
00:26:56,960 –> 00:26:58,760
Yu-gi-oh T-shirt.
And I was like, I’m not Connor
472
00:26:58,760 –> 00:27:01,600
Mcspadden.
I just like all of his same
473
00:27:01,600 –> 00:27:04,400
favorite bands from him when he
was 12 years old, like Gorillas,
474
00:27:04,400 –> 00:27:07,040
and they’re always Barkley and
I.
475
00:27:07,040 –> 00:27:11,480
What’s it with Jordan Sauceda?
How’s she doing from Ontario?
476
00:27:11,680 –> 00:27:13,600
Yeah.
And also, you know, just a
477
00:27:13,600 –> 00:27:17,160
coincidence that if you put
Connor in that guys voice in,
478
00:27:17,600 –> 00:27:19,840
you know, audacity or something,
the waveforms are going to be
479
00:27:19,840 –> 00:27:22,200
exactly the same.
But that’s that happens in this
480
00:27:22,200 –> 00:27:25,840
too.
But one of something Frank says
481
00:27:25,840 –> 00:27:29,840
and something Jim Morrison says
in the same like waveform and
482
00:27:30,000 –> 00:27:33,760
matches up really well.
Yeah, it’s even the the editing
483
00:27:33,760 –> 00:27:35,960
is so bad.
But even as janky as the editing
484
00:27:35,960 –> 00:27:38,080
is, it can’t make the evidence
look bad.
485
00:27:38,560 –> 00:27:40,680
Yeah, you want to be skeptical
throughout this whole
486
00:27:40,680 –> 00:27:43,080
documentary, but you’re like
sold from the 1st 20 minutes.
487
00:27:43,280 –> 00:27:47,280
Yeah.
And they talk a lot about this
488
00:27:47,280 –> 00:27:51,600
theory that Jim Morrison might
have been sexually abused as a
489
00:27:51,600 –> 00:27:54,840
child.
And I don’t know exactly how
490
00:27:54,840 –> 00:27:58,840
that ties into the story that’s
being told here.
491
00:27:59,000 –> 00:28:03,680
I mean, I guess it speaks to him
maybe having some trauma and
492
00:28:03,680 –> 00:28:05,800
wanting to get away, But I don’t
know.
493
00:28:05,880 –> 00:28:10,240
It felt like a tangent to me.
Oh, the the Jim Morrison
494
00:28:10,680 –> 00:28:13,080
molestation drawings.
That was my favorite part of the
495
00:28:13,080 –> 00:28:14,960
whole movie.
They were.
496
00:28:15,080 –> 00:28:18,640
They were definitely strange.
I look, I’ve been molested.
497
00:28:18,640 –> 00:28:20,080
And then Jim Morrison was
molested.
498
00:28:20,080 –> 00:28:22,720
That’s my take.
I saw that drawing and I was
499
00:28:22,720 –> 00:28:26,200
like, that boy was touched.
Yeah, the filmmaker does say he
500
00:28:26,200 –> 00:28:29,640
showed him to a psychologist and
they were like, call the police.
501
00:28:29,800 –> 00:28:31,600
Whoever that kid is, call the
police.
502
00:28:32,080 –> 00:28:34,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It’s like the guy’s like, like,
503
00:28:35,000 –> 00:28:38,560
like there’s a dragon that’s
clearly the dad with the fucking
504
00:28:38,560 –> 00:28:40,240
hand coming out of his pants
like all this.
505
00:28:40,240 –> 00:28:42,640
Like, it could not be more like,
like the rest of this
506
00:28:42,640 –> 00:28:44,640
documentary.
It could not be more on the nose
507
00:28:44,640 –> 00:28:45,840
and obvious.
Yeah.
508
00:28:46,920 –> 00:28:49,440
And so by this point, I was
pretty much sold.
509
00:28:49,640 –> 00:28:52,960
Once he veered off and started
talking about Mary, I was
510
00:28:53,120 –> 00:28:56,480
already pretty much on board.
But then the private
511
00:28:56,480 –> 00:29:00,120
investigator calls with some
information.
512
00:29:00,280 –> 00:29:05,080
One, she claims Jim Morrison’s
Social Security number was still
513
00:29:05,080 –> 00:29:09,280
active in upstate New York as of
2021.
514
00:29:09,440 –> 00:29:14,520
And also that this Frank fella
he’s talking to has two Social
515
00:29:14,520 –> 00:29:20,000
Security numbers, and one of
them starts with 127, just like
516
00:29:20,000 –> 00:29:24,600
the inscription on the box
Pamela Corson brought home from
517
00:29:24,600 –> 00:29:28,440
France, which said 127.
Fascination on it.
518
00:29:28,560 –> 00:29:30,240
What the fuck?
What is that?
519
00:29:30,440 –> 00:29:31,520
Why?
Why?
520
00:29:31,760 –> 00:29:34,280
But like, that’s so weird.
Really weird.
521
00:29:34,440 –> 00:29:37,440
Yeah, yeah, just forget about
that listener.
522
00:29:37,680 –> 00:29:40,040
So that part’s weird.
And then another.
523
00:29:40,040 –> 00:29:42,600
This is why I wish the interview
was the whole documentary,
524
00:29:42,760 –> 00:29:45,200
because then there’s the swim
team moment.
525
00:29:45,280 –> 00:29:48,320
This filmmaker knows a shit ton
about Jim Morrison.
526
00:29:48,600 –> 00:29:52,320
And one of the things he knows
is Jim Morrison was a
527
00:29:52,360 –> 00:29:54,480
competitive swimmer in high
school.
528
00:29:54,640 –> 00:29:59,480
So he asks Frank something about
being a competitive swimmer.
529
00:29:59,600 –> 00:30:02,520
And Frank starts to say
something like, oh, yeah, when
530
00:30:02,520 –> 00:30:04,760
we were out there.
And then he, like, gets this
531
00:30:04,760 –> 00:30:09,400
look in his eyes and stops and
goes, no, I was never a
532
00:30:09,400 –> 00:30:13,600
competitive swimmer.
It’s like, yeah, you were.
533
00:30:13,600 –> 00:30:15,760
You were about to talk.
About it.
534
00:30:16,080 –> 00:30:17,600
So back when you were in the
mob?
535
00:30:17,600 –> 00:30:20,640
I have never been into the mob.
I have sold aluminium siding in
536
00:30:20,640 –> 00:30:24,800
the greater Nevada area since I.
Yeah, it’s a really weird
537
00:30:24,800 –> 00:30:27,280
moment.
And it’s another moment in that
538
00:30:27,280 –> 00:30:30,720
interview that makes me feel
like, yeah, this is probably Jim
539
00:30:30,720 –> 00:30:35,280
Morrison they’re talking to.
So as much as I was sold on
540
00:30:35,280 –> 00:30:40,000
this, by the end of Episode 1,
about halfway through Episode 2,
541
00:30:40,000 –> 00:30:43,320
I was like, why does this
episode exist?
542
00:30:43,560 –> 00:30:49,480
Because this is meaningless the
second episode it really like it
543
00:30:49,480 –> 00:30:54,880
goes more into detail about the
abuse stuff, but most of the
544
00:30:54,880 –> 00:30:57,520
interesting things that happened
in episode 2 just could have
545
00:30:57,520 –> 00:31:00,360
been tagged on to episode one or
three.
546
00:31:00,480 –> 00:31:02,640
I think it’s.
Kind of a tangent episode.
547
00:31:02,960 –> 00:31:08,520
Yeah, he tries to call this
woman who wrote a book named
548
00:31:08,520 –> 00:31:12,040
Linda Ashcroft.
She wrote a book that at one
549
00:31:12,040 –> 00:31:15,400
point had a chapter about Jim
Morrison being sexually abused
550
00:31:15,440 –> 00:31:17,840
and she got sued and had to
remove it.
551
00:31:18,000 –> 00:31:21,440
He tries to call her.
He calls her Ginger at first
552
00:31:21,440 –> 00:31:23,600
because that was apparently her
nickname and he’s trying to
553
00:31:23,600 –> 00:31:26,280
catch her off guard.
But this is the scene Connor was
554
00:31:26,280 –> 00:31:29,760
talking about earlier where all
of it is for some reason this
555
00:31:29,760 –> 00:31:33,000
like reverse negative type feel
to it.
556
00:31:33,320 –> 00:31:36,840
And there’s no reason for it.
There’s absolutely no reason for
557
00:31:36,840 –> 00:31:40,400
this scene to look the way it
does and it’s infuriating.
558
00:31:40,600 –> 00:31:43,520
Yeah, and it’s like the, it’s
like, I guess like the with one
559
00:31:43,520 –> 00:31:46,800
of the dramatic climaxes of the
thing they’re going for, you
560
00:31:46,800 –> 00:31:48,800
know, like they’re kind of
trying to make it a moment.
561
00:31:49,280 –> 00:31:54,040
The only other thing I could
think is maybe he thought, all
562
00:31:54,040 –> 00:31:55,960
right, well, this is Adora’s
documentary.
563
00:31:56,000 –> 00:31:59,200
Motherfuckers are going to do
some acid before they watch
564
00:31:59,200 –> 00:32:01,840
this, so let’s throw them a
bone.
565
00:32:02,080 –> 00:32:03,600
That’s the only thing I can
think of.
566
00:32:04,040 –> 00:32:06,720
You need to break on through to
the other side of Adobe After
567
00:32:06,720 –> 00:32:12,200
Effects and.
So yeah, there’s that whole
568
00:32:12,200 –> 00:32:14,440
phone call scene.
It amounts to nothing.
569
00:32:14,600 –> 00:32:16,120
But then we get back to the
interview.
570
00:32:16,240 –> 00:32:20,800
Another very interesting moment.
Frank again, who would have us
571
00:32:20,800 –> 00:32:23,960
believe he has lived in upstate
New York forever.
572
00:32:23,960 –> 00:32:26,000
He’s just a regular ass
maintenance man.
573
00:32:26,160 –> 00:32:31,240
No special ties to anyone.
Just goes on this tangent about
574
00:32:31,240 –> 00:32:37,040
being on the Sunset Strip in
1968 and how he was really good
575
00:32:37,040 –> 00:32:41,360
friends with Brian Jones from
The Rolling Stones and how the
576
00:32:41,360 –> 00:32:45,400
Stones would let him hear demos
of their songs before they put
577
00:32:45,400 –> 00:32:48,360
them out.
And then just goes back to like
578
00:32:48,520 –> 00:32:50,720
talking regular, Nah, I’m frank
stuff.
579
00:32:51,120 –> 00:32:55,080
And it’s like, then what it
what, how were you friends with
580
00:32:55,080 –> 00:32:58,320
The Rolling Stones?
If you’re just a maintenance man
581
00:32:58,360 –> 00:33:00,560
from New York, it doesn’t make
sense.
582
00:33:00,760 –> 00:33:04,320
And again, I think it’s because
the version of Jim Morrison
583
00:33:04,320 –> 00:33:08,800
they’re talking to isn’t all
there and is just, like, losing
584
00:33:08,800 –> 00:33:12,400
his train of thought and
telling, you know, like Trump
585
00:33:12,400 –> 00:33:15,480
does when he’s giving speeches.
He’ll just, yeah, veer off and
586
00:33:15,480 –> 00:33:18,440
say other shit.
That’s what this version of Jim
587
00:33:18,440 –> 00:33:20,760
Morrison is doing in these
interviews.
588
00:33:20,960 –> 00:33:24,080
Which is like, annoying because
it’s the perfect cover, you
589
00:33:24,080 –> 00:33:25,400
know?
It’s like, I don’t know if we
590
00:33:25,400 –> 00:33:28,240
even like how how can you prove
it if he doesn’t even know who
591
00:33:28,240 –> 00:33:30,360
he is anymore?
He might, he might be like,
592
00:33:30,360 –> 00:33:31,920
yeah, I’m Frank.
I’ve been Frank for like 50
593
00:33:31,920 –> 00:33:32,600
years.
Dude, what the.
594
00:33:32,600 –> 00:33:35,080
I don’t know.
Remember, I miss Mary, but I’m
595
00:33:35,080 –> 00:33:37,960
Frank.
There is a moment and it’s way
596
00:33:37,960 –> 00:33:40,960
at the end.
But Speaking of that, at the end
597
00:33:40,960 –> 00:33:44,080
of this, Jeff Finn asks Frank
straight up.
598
00:33:44,240 –> 00:33:48,080
He goes, OK, I’m just going to
ask, are you Jim Morrison?
599
00:33:48,240 –> 00:33:51,000
And Frank does not say no, of
course not.
600
00:33:51,000 –> 00:33:53,920
That’s one of the craziest
things I’ve ever heard.
601
00:33:53,920 –> 00:33:56,000
Why would you assume I’m Jim
Morrison?
602
00:33:56,160 –> 00:34:01,560
Instead he says no, I’m not Jim
Morrison, but we all are one.
603
00:34:02,040 –> 00:34:05,240
We are the same person.
Which is a quote from a musician
604
00:34:05,240 –> 00:34:08,679
named Jimmy Cliff, and also
exactly the kind of shit I would
605
00:34:08,679 –> 00:34:12,320
expect Jim Morrison to say if he
was pretending to not be Jim
606
00:34:12,320 –> 00:34:14,400
Morrison.
Motherfucker loved responding to
607
00:34:14,400 –> 00:34:19,440
things in esoteric quotes.
Yeah, and I mean, that feels
608
00:34:19,440 –> 00:34:23,719
almost like a confession to me
because in a sense, no, he’s not
609
00:34:23,719 –> 00:34:27,040
Jim Morrison anymore.
Jim Morrison was the lead singer
610
00:34:27,040 –> 00:34:29,560
of The Doors.
He was a big pop star that
611
00:34:29,560 –> 00:34:31,520
everyone knew.
This is Frank, who’s just a
612
00:34:31,520 –> 00:34:36,239
maintenance man in upstate New
York, but he used to be Jim
613
00:34:36,239 –> 00:34:38,280
Morrison.
I think that’s what Frank was
614
00:34:38,280 –> 00:34:42,360
saying at the end of this is no,
I’m not Jim Morrison anymore.
615
00:34:42,960 –> 00:34:45,320
But you don’t think he ever gets
on Facebook and he goes, hey,
616
00:34:45,320 –> 00:34:47,760
Ray, could you could you settle
me off some of that?
617
00:34:47,760 –> 00:34:49,760
Hello, I love you money.
I’m kind of tired of being a
618
00:34:49,960 –> 00:34:54,080
fucking literal janitor in here.
I mean, I I did right touch me.
619
00:34:54,080 –> 00:34:56,440
I do feel like I don’t Maybe I
maybe I shouldn’t have to.
620
00:34:56,440 –> 00:34:58,960
Like I just, I hate working so
much.
621
00:34:58,960 –> 00:35:01,600
I can’t imagine that he would
quit being a rock star and then
622
00:35:01,600 –> 00:35:03,360
just like literally get a
fucking job.
623
00:35:03,360 –> 00:35:04,880
But I guess maybe you need to
cover.
624
00:35:05,280 –> 00:35:07,880
Yeah, you would think you’d at
least want to just go.
625
00:35:08,480 –> 00:35:10,840
And, you know, maybe he doesn’t
have a real job.
626
00:35:10,840 –> 00:35:13,280
Maybe he’s just saying, yeah,
I’m a maintenance man, I fucking
627
00:35:13,520 –> 00:35:15,680
help out.
And secretly he’s just home
628
00:35:15,840 –> 00:35:19,880
getting hammered and writing
poems about jettison horses off
629
00:35:19,880 –> 00:35:24,400
the side of ships.
And the last horse is
630
00:35:24,400 –> 00:35:27,000
jettisoned.
I would love it if there was
631
00:35:27,000 –> 00:35:31,120
just like fucking Miles and
miles of like, unreleased
632
00:35:31,120 –> 00:35:35,120
nonsensical drunken Frank
Morrison poetry that we could
633
00:35:35,120 –> 00:35:38,000
read at some point of just like
all of his like, oh wow, this
634
00:35:38,000 –> 00:35:40,760
guy really fell off.
It turns out he really needed
635
00:35:40,760 –> 00:35:43,440
the Ray and Robbie and them to
kind of, kind of reign it all
636
00:35:43,440 –> 00:35:46,120
in.
Yeah, I hope he recorded it.
637
00:35:46,120 –> 00:35:49,960
So after that version of Jim
Morrison dies, the Doors just
638
00:35:49,960 –> 00:35:53,800
turn into Tupac, put out more
albums posthumously than they
639
00:35:54,040 –> 00:35:57,200
did when Jim Morrison was alive.
That would be great.
640
00:35:57,760 –> 00:36:00,600
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I fucking, I listen to
641
00:36:00,600 –> 00:36:01,960
the new Beatles song.
I’m desperate.
642
00:36:01,960 –> 00:36:06,720
Come on.
So there’s also Arthur Rimbo
643
00:36:06,800 –> 00:36:09,320
comes up.
He is another poet that Jim was
644
00:36:09,520 –> 00:36:14,480
enamored with, and that guy at
one point in his life just up
645
00:36:14,480 –> 00:36:18,120
and disappeared to Africa, which
is a thing.
646
00:36:18,280 –> 00:36:21,480
Jim Morrison talked about that a
lot in high school, according to
647
00:36:21,480 –> 00:36:25,720
everyone they interviewed here,
they talk about how Jim Morrison
648
00:36:25,720 –> 00:36:29,160
was like, yeah, one day I’m just
going to fucking vanish like
649
00:36:29,200 –> 00:36:32,200
Rimbo did.
And the speculation is that’s
650
00:36:32,440 –> 00:36:35,840
maybe what happened.
But I did find one thing really
651
00:36:35,840 –> 00:36:39,680
interesting where they talk
about just how easy the Doors
652
00:36:39,680 –> 00:36:42,880
became rich and famous.
Yeah, I and I hadn’t, I hadn’t
653
00:36:42,880 –> 00:36:45,440
really put that together
completely before either, but
654
00:36:45,440 –> 00:36:48,360
they did kind of just like blow
the fuck up right the fuck away.
655
00:36:48,600 –> 00:36:52,680
Yeah, they’re like immediately
made the house band at Whiskey A
656
00:36:52,680 –> 00:36:54,680
Go Go.
They don’t like one of their
657
00:36:54,680 –> 00:36:56,120
friends.
Like, they didn’t even have to
658
00:36:56,120 –> 00:36:58,440
tour.
They just were a house band in
659
00:36:58,440 –> 00:37:00,480
LA, Then they had a hit and they
were millionaires.
660
00:37:00,680 –> 00:37:05,080
And it’s like, wow.
So arguably, aside from Elvis,
661
00:37:05,080 –> 00:37:09,640
the band fronted by a man who
has the most rumors about being
662
00:37:09,640 –> 00:37:14,040
a fed surrounding him also is in
the band that just blew up the
663
00:37:14,040 –> 00:37:18,000
fastest, like had the quickest.
Path to start him.
664
00:37:18,240 –> 00:37:20,720
Weird, weird.
But if he was a fed, do you
665
00:37:20,720 –> 00:37:22,480
think they’d let him just fake
his own death?
666
00:37:22,880 –> 00:37:26,040
See that’s the thing I this
documentary makes me feel like
667
00:37:26,080 –> 00:37:29,360
the Jim Morrison was a fed thing
is not accurate.
668
00:37:30,240 –> 00:37:33,520
And I mean, and then a lot of
the Fed stuff is based on his
669
00:37:33,520 –> 00:37:36,200
father, who I guess was just
over over here molesting him all
670
00:37:36,200 –> 00:37:37,640
the time.
Doesn’t sound like he, well,
671
00:37:37,640 –> 00:37:39,440
that is one way to turn a kid to
a rock star.
672
00:37:39,440 –> 00:37:42,440
On the other hand, maybe, maybe
he was.
673
00:37:42,840 –> 00:37:47,280
I think we have to differentiate
between MK Ultra baby and like
674
00:37:47,280 –> 00:37:50,440
military intelligence.
Maybe he was just a victim of
675
00:37:50,440 –> 00:37:54,360
military intelligence because
that was a big part of MK Ultra
676
00:37:54,360 –> 00:37:58,680
was introducing trauma as a
means of changing a person’s
677
00:37:58,680 –> 00:38:00,200
personality.
So.
678
00:38:00,400 –> 00:38:03,440
Yeah, maybe old man Morrison was
just bringing his work home with
679
00:38:03,440 –> 00:38:04,840
him.
Yep, could be.
680
00:38:05,280 –> 00:38:07,080
Now here we are.
So.
681
00:38:07,480 –> 00:38:10,840
Listening to the soft parade.
That’s a good album.
682
00:38:11,040 –> 00:38:13,000
It’s not, it’s not one of my
favorites, but it’s it’s still
683
00:38:13,000 –> 00:38:13,880
pretty.
They’re all pretty good.
684
00:38:14,160 –> 00:38:16,800
Yeah, I listened to Waiting for
the Sun yesterday.
685
00:38:17,000 –> 00:38:19,600
I like the older fat Morrison
ones, they’re pretty good too.
686
00:38:19,960 –> 00:38:22,360
Yeah, LA One.
LA woman in Morrison.
687
00:38:22,360 –> 00:38:25,440
Hotel Morrison Hotel, I believe,
just got torn down or it’s about
688
00:38:25,440 –> 00:38:27,640
to in LA.
It’s a real place.
689
00:38:27,880 –> 00:38:33,360
So, yeah, Episode 3 is, I mean,
they kind of get back on track,
690
00:38:33,520 –> 00:38:36,840
but they also promise that we’re
going to get a lot of bombshell
691
00:38:36,840 –> 00:38:40,960
revelations from this woman
named Robin Wordle, who is one
692
00:38:40,960 –> 00:38:42,880
of the last people to see Jim
alive.
693
00:38:42,880 –> 00:38:48,040
She was a former assistant hired
weeks before his supposed death.
694
00:38:48,240 –> 00:38:52,160
At the end of Episode 2 is when
we’re promised she’s going to
695
00:38:52,160 –> 00:38:55,880
have these bombs to drop.
I don’t know if they ever really
696
00:38:55,880 –> 00:39:00,400
come, but she says that Jim
Morrison wasn’t drinking when he
697
00:39:00,400 –> 00:39:03,520
was in Paris.
There’s another story about him
698
00:39:03,880 –> 00:39:06,280
dying of a heroin overdose,
Robin says.
699
00:39:06,280 –> 00:39:10,080
That is ridiculous.
They sort of imply that Pam,
700
00:39:10,080 –> 00:39:13,280
that if Jim Morrison died,
Pamela Corson maybe killed him
701
00:39:13,480 –> 00:39:16,480
in episode 3.
And I’ve never heard that
702
00:39:16,480 –> 00:39:19,040
before, but.
Yeah, that was kind of odd the.
703
00:39:19,040 –> 00:39:23,760
One thing I did find really
interesting that they bring up
704
00:39:23,840 –> 00:39:26,560
in episode 3 first, the coffin
thing.
705
00:39:26,560 –> 00:39:29,520
They go into more detail and it
really was someone just like
706
00:39:29,680 –> 00:39:32,080
found out Jim Morrison was dead,
so they brought a coffin to the
707
00:39:32,080 –> 00:39:34,120
apartment.
I don’t, I don’t know that that
708
00:39:34,440 –> 00:39:36,640
ever has happened in human
history.
709
00:39:36,880 –> 00:39:39,880
Although I’m stupid enough, if
you told me it was French custom
710
00:39:39,880 –> 00:39:42,800
I would believe you.
Yeah, but I also feel like that
711
00:39:42,800 –> 00:39:45,560
would come up in the
documentary, at least if it was
712
00:39:45,560 –> 00:39:48,320
a responsible documentary,
they’d be like, but that’s
713
00:39:48,640 –> 00:39:52,840
normal, it’s French custom.
I I think that Jeff Finn googled
714
00:39:52,840 –> 00:39:56,720
it for us.
He’s a passionate man.
715
00:39:57,480 –> 00:40:02,080
I do respect his work here, as
critical of it as I have been.
716
00:40:02,520 –> 00:40:06,600
Yeah, I appreciate the research
and the information.
717
00:40:06,600 –> 00:40:09,160
It’s again.
Yeah, and and like and and, you
718
00:40:09,160 –> 00:40:11,560
know, we’re saying the thing the
documentary drags a little bit,
719
00:40:11,560 –> 00:40:13,320
but it’s like these thorough,
you know.
720
00:40:13,720 –> 00:40:18,080
Yeah, one of the more
interesting points that comes up
721
00:40:18,200 –> 00:40:22,960
in episode 3 is Jim and Pam.
It like just dawned on me at
722
00:40:22,960 –> 00:40:24,360
this point that they’re like.
Yeah, I know.
723
00:40:24,360 –> 00:40:28,280
It was making me laugh.
The office couple, they had a
724
00:40:28,320 –> 00:40:33,160
drug dealer friend who the the
day after Jim Morrison died,
725
00:40:33,360 –> 00:40:37,560
immediately flew to Morocco.
One of the friends of Jim
726
00:40:37,560 –> 00:40:42,480
Morrison’s that they interview a
friend who Jim told that he
727
00:40:42,480 –> 00:40:44,920
would want to maybe disappear
someday.
728
00:40:44,920 –> 00:40:46,160
She was like, well, where would
you go?
729
00:40:46,360 –> 00:40:50,800
He says Morocco just like Rimbo
did when he disappeared.
730
00:40:50,880 –> 00:40:54,320
He also went to Morocco.
I think that’s pretty important
731
00:40:54,320 –> 00:40:58,040
because otherwise what was that
guy flying to Morocco for if not
732
00:40:58,080 –> 00:41:01,960
to usher a newly having faked
his death Jim Morrison to
733
00:41:01,960 –> 00:41:06,440
another country to live out his
fucking French poet dreams?
734
00:41:06,720 –> 00:41:08,680
I don’t know.
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty.
735
00:41:09,880 –> 00:41:11,040
Yeah.
You’re, you’re really like what?
736
00:41:11,040 –> 00:41:13,120
What?
What is the other explanation?
737
00:41:13,240 –> 00:41:17,800
Yeah, they go on at length about
Jim Morrison possibly being a
738
00:41:17,800 –> 00:41:21,800
homosexual and that part.
I really didn’t understand the
739
00:41:21,800 –> 00:41:23,360
point.
I guess he, I guess he went to
740
00:41:23,360 –> 00:41:25,280
Morocco until he ran out of
money and then he’s like, all
741
00:41:25,280 –> 00:41:27,280
right, let’s go someplace
cheaper like upstate New York.
742
00:41:28,600 –> 00:41:31,440
The cost of living is a little
less touristy.
743
00:41:32,400 –> 00:41:34,720
Yeah.
And yeah, I don’t know where
744
00:41:34,720 –> 00:41:37,400
they were going with the whole
Jim Morrison might have been gay
745
00:41:37,400 –> 00:41:38,960
thing.
I don’t give a shit.
746
00:41:38,960 –> 00:41:41,920
I would be surprised if Jim
Morrison wasn’t a little gay.
747
00:41:42,120 –> 00:41:46,240
But then that’s when they get to
the close up of Frank’s eyes.
748
00:41:46,640 –> 00:41:50,000
And it does to me legitimately
look like he’s wearing brown
749
00:41:50,120 –> 00:41:54,480
contact lenses as opposed to
having naturally brown eyes.
750
00:41:54,720 –> 00:41:58,400
And if he if not, there is a
weird thing going on with his
751
00:41:58,400 –> 00:42:02,840
eyes where he’s got a blue ring
around his brown eyes.
752
00:42:03,080 –> 00:42:05,120
Didn’t they talk about how
there’s like a disease you can
753
00:42:05,120 –> 00:42:06,720
get with?
You have blue eyes that that
754
00:42:06,720 –> 00:42:09,960
Browns them up like that?
Like you can get like alopecia
755
00:42:09,960 –> 00:42:12,520
of the eyes.
Yeah, something like that, yeah.
756
00:42:12,520 –> 00:42:14,280
And maybe he had.
Maybe it’s that.
757
00:42:14,280 –> 00:42:17,440
Maybe he had that disease.
I find I I guess I would believe
758
00:42:17,440 –> 00:42:20,680
that over I just I can’t see a
70 year old man putting let me
759
00:42:20,680 –> 00:42:23,960
put in my brown contacts like,
well, I’m half senile so I can
760
00:42:23,960 –> 00:42:27,800
hide my identity, Yeah.
But also, if you’ve gotten that
761
00:42:27,800 –> 00:42:33,160
used to it, he’s clearly with it
enough to think he can get away
762
00:42:33,160 –> 00:42:36,880
with doing this interview and
not giving up the fact that he’s
763
00:42:36,880 –> 00:42:38,880
Jim Morrison.
He’s still a Wiley.
764
00:42:38,880 –> 00:42:40,720
He still believes himself to be
Wiley.
765
00:42:40,760 –> 00:42:44,560
Yeah, or did he want this guy to
know he was Jim Morrison?
766
00:42:44,760 –> 00:42:47,000
Probably a little of both.
Because if you’re Jim Morrison,
767
00:42:47,000 –> 00:42:48,600
don’t you want to brag that you
got away with it?
768
00:42:48,600 –> 00:42:49,800
Yeah.
Exactly.
769
00:42:49,800 –> 00:42:53,080
I would want to be like, fooled,
you motherfuckers.
770
00:42:53,280 –> 00:42:57,160
But also, is that illegal?
Would he like if he just came
771
00:42:57,160 –> 00:43:00,120
right out and said it was like,
yeah, I faked my death?
772
00:43:00,280 –> 00:43:03,280
Does Jim Morrison spend the last
five years of his life in
773
00:43:03,560 –> 00:43:06,200
fucking Rikers Island for that?
Yeah, I don’t know.
774
00:43:06,200 –> 00:43:09,520
I mean, there’s a is, is there a
judge who’s brave enough to
775
00:43:09,520 –> 00:43:12,240
convict him?
I would love to see like the
776
00:43:12,240 –> 00:43:14,800
last five years of his life.
He’s totally senile, but he gets
777
00:43:14,800 –> 00:43:17,400
together with like, you know,
whatever, maybe John Densmore,
778
00:43:17,480 –> 00:43:19,880
the only other guy who’s alive.
And they get some other keyboard
779
00:43:19,880 –> 00:43:24,200
player and guitar player and he
goes, all right, 1234 people,
780
00:43:24,200 –> 00:43:25,800
they’re gay.
How’s the song go?
781
00:43:27,560 –> 00:43:33,240
So, yeah, they show that picture
and then they go into this sort
782
00:43:33,240 –> 00:43:39,040
of like true crime documentary
section where first when Frank
783
00:43:39,040 –> 00:43:42,600
goes out to smoke his cigarette
at the Denny’s, which did you
784
00:43:42,600 –> 00:43:45,800
just recognize it as a Denny’s
from the interior like I did?
785
00:43:46,040 –> 00:43:46,680
Yes.
Yeah.
786
00:43:46,680 –> 00:43:50,160
I was like, there’s the claw
machine that’s inside the front
787
00:43:50,160 –> 00:43:52,160
door of every Denny’s.
I know exactly where they are.
788
00:43:52,680 –> 00:43:55,480
I know that I I know the
upholstery of a Denny’s, you
789
00:43:55,480 –> 00:43:57,400
know, I, I don’t know the
carpet, you know, just
790
00:43:57,400 –> 00:43:59,920
everything, the tile, just every
crappy little thing.
791
00:44:00,120 –> 00:44:02,320
Yeah, comedians know a fucking
Denny’s.
792
00:44:02,600 –> 00:44:06,360
Blaine Kapach, to this day, is
the only person I’ve ever seen
793
00:44:06,560 –> 00:44:09,680
pointed to Denny’s and go that’s
a good fucking Denny’s.
794
00:44:10,360 –> 00:44:12,200
They’re all the same Denny’s,
aren’t they?
795
00:44:12,400 –> 00:44:14,760
He would always, when I worked
with him, joke about the Gower
796
00:44:14,760 –> 00:44:17,040
Gulch, Denny’s.
That was the one.
797
00:44:17,880 –> 00:44:21,720
It is pretty good Denny’s.
Shout out to Blaine, he’s great.
798
00:44:21,880 –> 00:44:27,560
So yeah, they go through, they
steal a glass from, they
799
00:44:27,680 –> 00:44:29,400
basically steal a glass from
Denny’s.
800
00:44:29,400 –> 00:44:32,000
I wonder if he asked if he could
steal that glass or if he just
801
00:44:32,160 –> 00:44:34,240
took it.
That’s what I would do.
802
00:44:34,880 –> 00:44:38,440
I would not ask Denny’s, Hey, do
you care about what would you
803
00:44:38,440 –> 00:44:40,680
even call it?
Rock archaeology.
804
00:44:40,680 –> 00:44:43,440
Journalism.
Yeah, it would have been funny
805
00:44:43,440 –> 00:44:45,720
if he got arrested trying to
steal that glass.
806
00:44:45,960 –> 00:44:49,600
That’d be great.
But he takes the glass and tries
807
00:44:49,600 –> 00:44:53,160
to get like fingerprint analysis
on it, and there’s nothing
808
00:44:53,360 –> 00:44:56,800
usable in terms of fingerprints.
So then he goes and gets a
809
00:44:56,800 –> 00:45:02,400
fucking DNA test done on this
book that someone gave him that
810
00:45:02,400 –> 00:45:06,360
they say Jim Morrison like it
was his copy of the book and he
811
00:45:06,360 –> 00:45:08,800
carried it around a bunch.
And they even said like, it
812
00:45:08,800 –> 00:45:11,200
hasn’t been handled much since
he’s been dead.
813
00:45:11,200 –> 00:45:14,080
So it’s the the implication
being it’s probably got some
814
00:45:14,080 –> 00:45:16,040
crumbs of Jim still on the
cover.
815
00:45:16,400 –> 00:45:20,280
Right where?
Problem is, I don’t think Jeff
816
00:45:20,280 –> 00:45:25,840
Finn handled that book as if it
was crime scene evidence because
817
00:45:25,840 –> 00:45:31,000
when they do the DNA test, the
major donor of DNA to that book
818
00:45:31,040 –> 00:45:34,480
is Jeff Finn.
So he had been handling it so
819
00:45:34,480 –> 00:45:36,560
much that I.
Mean he probably thought it was
820
00:45:36,560 –> 00:45:40,160
cool and kept looking at it.
Yeah, Jim Morrison touched this.
821
00:45:40,760 –> 00:45:43,040
Yeah, we found a semen sample in
the middle of this.
822
00:45:43,040 –> 00:45:47,960
Jeff, what’s, what’s going on?
Yeah, fresh, like, still wet.
823
00:45:48,240 –> 00:45:52,480
And so none of the forensic
tests bring back anything
824
00:45:52,480 –> 00:45:55,560
conclusive.
And that’s when we get to the
825
00:45:55,560 –> 00:45:57,800
end.
This is the end.
826
00:45:57,960 –> 00:46:02,640
And that’s when Jeff Finn is
like, hey, are you Jim Morrison?
827
00:46:02,840 –> 00:46:06,160
And that’s when Frank delivers
that Jimmy Cliff quote.
828
00:46:06,320 –> 00:46:08,840
We all are one.
We are the same person.
829
00:46:09,160 –> 00:46:12,320
But he also says, no, he’s not
Jim Morrison and I don’t believe
830
00:46:12,320 –> 00:46:15,960
him.
I want everyone in the country
831
00:46:15,960 –> 00:46:20,000
to watch this documentary and
tell me if you also believe Jim
832
00:46:20,000 –> 00:46:24,160
Morrison is still alive.
I fucking do, personally.
833
00:46:24,320 –> 00:46:26,520
Yeah, I don’t know.
But they didn’t exactly give
834
00:46:26,520 –> 00:46:30,000
like a 2024, like he’s still,
you know, a live update.
835
00:46:30,000 –> 00:46:32,960
But yeah, like you said, this
kid, this came out in January
836
00:46:32,960 –> 00:46:35,600
and I kind of can’t believe
there was more of a a hubbub
837
00:46:35,600 –> 00:46:40,000
about it was this is like, this
is like, what if the Jesus
838
00:46:40,000 –> 00:46:41,960
Christ was in Argentina?
Like what?
839
00:46:42,920 –> 00:46:47,440
Yeah, because you don’t ever see
this happen where there’s a
840
00:46:47,440 –> 00:46:51,200
documentary of this nature, and
then they talk to the person who
841
00:46:51,200 –> 00:46:54,360
they think is like the person
that faked their death.
842
00:46:54,520 –> 00:46:58,920
It’s fascinating in that way.
And nothing that happens in that
843
00:46:58,920 –> 00:47:02,880
interview makes me less
suspicious that that guy really
844
00:47:02,880 –> 00:47:06,040
is Jim Morrison.
He even talks like him.
845
00:47:06,040 –> 00:47:10,120
They even have kind of the same
build, like Frank is still in
846
00:47:10,120 –> 00:47:13,920
pretty good shape for his age,
it seems.
847
00:47:14,160 –> 00:47:17,760
And I don’t know everything
about that dude seems like Jim
848
00:47:17,760 –> 00:47:19,800
Morrison to me.
It’s crazy.
849
00:47:19,960 –> 00:47:22,760
It is crazy that that
documentary is just out there
850
00:47:22,760 –> 00:47:25,960
and it’s not bigger news.
What’s your official position?
851
00:47:25,960 –> 00:47:29,560
Is it do we let him die in peace
or do we harass the shit out of?
852
00:47:29,560 –> 00:47:30,840
Him.
Oh, I think he let him.
853
00:47:30,840 –> 00:47:32,560
Let him die.
It’s fine.
854
00:47:32,760 –> 00:47:34,400
I don’t.
He’s got to have someone who’ll
855
00:47:34,400 –> 00:47:37,360
come forward and and John
Densboro will be like, OK, he,
856
00:47:37,400 –> 00:47:40,280
he really was alive.
Is someone going to let us know
857
00:47:40,280 –> 00:47:42,720
whether at least whether or not
this was true like one of these
858
00:47:42,720 –> 00:47:45,680
like.
Yeah, I hope he’s got something
859
00:47:45,680 –> 00:47:49,560
at his house that when he died,
it’s like open me after I die a.
860
00:47:49,560 –> 00:47:51,840
Dead man switched like
conspiracy you guys have.
861
00:47:52,080 –> 00:47:55,280
Yeah, that would be ideal
because yeah, I would love some
862
00:47:55,280 –> 00:47:58,240
confirmation.
But even if I don’t get
863
00:47:58,240 –> 00:48:01,960
confirmation, I’m pretty
convinced that that was Jim
864
00:48:01,960 –> 00:48:04,520
Morrison in this documentary.
You know, I love, I love
865
00:48:04,520 –> 00:48:07,480
conspiracies because there’s,
there’s fun ones that are just
866
00:48:07,480 –> 00:48:10,040
stupid where it’s like, how
could anybody believe this?
867
00:48:10,680 –> 00:48:13,080
And then every once in a while,
you never know what it’s going
868
00:48:13,080 –> 00:48:14,680
to be.
Something comes along that just
869
00:48:14,680 –> 00:48:17,160
changes the way you view reality
completely.
870
00:48:17,320 –> 00:48:18,920
Yeah.
And you know, if you would have
871
00:48:18,920 –> 00:48:21,080
told me last week that next week
you’ll be living in a world
872
00:48:21,080 –> 00:48:25,120
where Jim Morrison is still
alive, You know, like I, I was,
873
00:48:25,120 –> 00:48:28,200
I was already happily living in
a world where I was 70% sure
874
00:48:28,200 –> 00:48:30,360
that Elvis was lived into the
90s.
875
00:48:30,600 –> 00:48:33,360
Yeah.
But now this is This is too good
876
00:48:33,360 –> 00:48:37,520
to be true.
Yeah, and it isn’t that crazy
877
00:48:37,640 –> 00:48:40,600
that he could have faked his own
death.
878
00:48:41,080 –> 00:48:42,880
There’s definitely a lot of
setup for it.
879
00:48:42,880 –> 00:48:45,240
There’s like, once you get to
the point where his childhood
880
00:48:45,240 –> 00:48:47,640
friends say that he always
talked about this, it’s like,
881
00:48:47,640 –> 00:48:51,120
well, okay.
Yeah, and that guy flying to the
882
00:48:51,120 –> 00:48:54,680
exact place Jim Morrison said he
would go if he faked his death
883
00:48:54,680 –> 00:48:57,280
the day after Jim Morrison died.
I don’t know.
884
00:48:57,280 –> 00:48:59,720
I think, and here’s the thing,
good for him.
885
00:48:59,880 –> 00:49:03,880
What I like about this is it’s a
very innocuous conspiracy.
886
00:49:03,880 –> 00:49:05,920
Probably would have died if you
kept on being a rock star.
887
00:49:05,920 –> 00:49:08,280
I mean, he clearly couldn’t
like, fucking compartmentalize
888
00:49:08,280 –> 00:49:11,200
all that shit.
Yeah, and it I mean, that
889
00:49:11,200 –> 00:49:13,280
happens.
The guy from the fucking New
890
00:49:13,280 –> 00:49:16,960
Radicals that you only get what
you give song.
891
00:49:17,160 –> 00:49:18,200
That’s what happened to that
guy.
892
00:49:18,200 –> 00:49:20,960
They had that one hit and he was
like, oh, I hate this.
893
00:49:20,960 –> 00:49:23,120
I don’t like being a star at
all.
894
00:49:23,240 –> 00:49:27,920
And then he just like retired to
write songs for other people the
895
00:49:27,920 –> 00:49:30,120
rest of his life.
Some people don’t fucking like
896
00:49:30,120 –> 00:49:33,320
it being famous.
And then some people pretend
897
00:49:33,320 –> 00:49:35,080
they don’t but really do like
it.
898
00:49:35,080 –> 00:49:38,880
Like Kurt Cobain, who is
definitely not still alive.
899
00:49:38,960 –> 00:49:42,640
He got murdered by his wife.
It’s a different episode of
900
00:49:42,640 –> 00:49:44,440
Conspiracy the show.
It is.
901
00:49:44,480 –> 00:49:46,400
That’s another.
That’s another conspiracy.
902
00:49:46,400 –> 00:49:49,360
I will never be backed down from
Courtney Love.
903
00:49:49,560 –> 00:49:52,640
Yeah, once you get to the point
where it’s like, did her lawyer
904
00:49:52,640 –> 00:49:55,040
saw her practicing his
handwriting?
905
00:49:55,040 –> 00:49:58,000
Yeah.
Yeah, she found a practice sheet
906
00:49:58,160 –> 00:50:00,800
with her practicing his
handwriting in a backpack she
907
00:50:00,800 –> 00:50:03,680
left at her house.
It’s like, come on, what was
908
00:50:03,680 –> 00:50:06,400
that there for?
Also there’s a great documentary
909
00:50:06,400 –> 00:50:10,960
about it called Soaked in Bleach
that goes into detail about
910
00:50:10,960 –> 00:50:15,400
where the shotgun shell was and
the only way that shotgun shell
911
00:50:15,400 –> 00:50:20,200
would be where it landed is if
it hit something that was next
912
00:50:20,200 –> 00:50:23,960
to Kurt Cobain at the time and
there’s nothing next to him that
913
00:50:24,120 –> 00:50:26,720
it would have hit.
So that something was probably a
914
00:50:26,720 –> 00:50:28,560
person.
What’s the name of that guy that
915
00:50:28,560 –> 00:50:32,360
killed him from AL something?
He was he was in the Mentors El
916
00:50:32,360 –> 00:50:34,080
Duche.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
917
00:50:34,360 –> 00:50:36,720
There’s also the the amount of
heroin he had in the system.
918
00:50:36,720 –> 00:50:39,160
He couldn’t have had the hand
eye coordination.
919
00:50:39,760 –> 00:50:42,240
I mean maybe he was a tank and
just when we fucking, you know,
920
00:50:42,240 –> 00:50:43,680
I could consume a bunch of
heroin.
921
00:50:43,680 –> 00:50:47,000
Devil’s advocate, but according
to science, he was too fucked up
922
00:50:47,000 –> 00:50:48,720
to shoot that fucking shit in
his face.
923
00:50:48,920 –> 00:50:51,160
Yeah, and no fingerprints on the
shotgun.
924
00:50:51,560 –> 00:50:55,040
That part is weird, too.
He also, I believe, had heroin
925
00:50:55,200 –> 00:50:58,120
injections in both arms, which,
who does that?
926
00:50:58,440 –> 00:51:00,600
Nobody.
Anyway, that’s a different
927
00:51:00,680 –> 00:51:02,480
conspiracy.
We’ve talked about it.
928
00:51:02,640 –> 00:51:06,000
I think that’s our episode.
Jim Morrison, if you’re
929
00:51:06,000 –> 00:51:08,880
listening to this, and I know
you are, good on you, dude.
930
00:51:09,200 –> 00:51:10,640
I’m glad.
I’m happy for you.
931
00:51:10,880 –> 00:51:14,240
Peace, Frank.
Yeah, I’m I’m happy that Elvis
932
00:51:14,240 –> 00:51:19,080
got to retire on a fucking law
enforcement high, and I’m happy
933
00:51:19,080 –> 00:51:23,200
Jim Morrison successfully faked
his death and is now fixing
934
00:51:23,560 –> 00:51:26,600
leaky sinks in Syracuse or
whatever the fuck he’s doing
935
00:51:27,000 –> 00:51:29,080
these days.
I hope he’s a really good
936
00:51:29,080 –> 00:51:31,160
maintenance guy.
Like, hey, fuck, if you got like
937
00:51:31,240 –> 00:51:34,720
a, you know, bubbling around
your molding or in the tile He
938
00:51:34,720 –> 00:51:37,720
they look fucking.
But just fix his stuff in really
939
00:51:37,720 –> 00:51:42,080
obscure ways that they did in
the 1800s in France and shit.
940
00:51:42,480 –> 00:51:44,160
This is how Rimbo would have
fixed it.
941
00:51:44,320 –> 00:51:46,400
Do you have any book binders?
Wax.
942
00:51:47,440 –> 00:51:50,880
So that’s our episode.
We did it again.
943
00:51:51,200 –> 00:51:53,320
I highly recommend watching this
documentary.
944
00:51:53,320 –> 00:51:56,800
It’s on Apple TV plus you have
to rent it or buy it.
945
00:51:56,920 –> 00:52:00,440
You can buy it cheaper than
renting all three episodes, but
946
00:52:00,600 –> 00:52:01,840
I think people should check it
out.
947
00:52:01,840 –> 00:52:06,280
I think it is highly compelling.
In my opinion, it’s just not
948
00:52:06,280 –> 00:52:09,040
well executed.
So it’s a diamond in the rough.
949
00:52:09,480 –> 00:52:12,240
So it’s a real you’re going to
be the the cool guy with this
950
00:52:12,240 –> 00:52:15,800
conspiracy theory, but be like,
you guys probably didn’t even
951
00:52:15,800 –> 00:52:17,480
know that Jim Morrison was still
alive.
952
00:52:18,600 –> 00:52:22,200
Yeah, take that to your water
cooler conversations at work
953
00:52:22,440 –> 00:52:23,640
next week.
Yeah, go.
954
00:52:23,920 –> 00:52:26,360
Go get yourself ostracized at
your place of work.
955
00:52:27,400 –> 00:52:29,480
Does everyone else not think
you’re weird enough?
956
00:52:29,920 –> 00:52:31,640
Tell them that Jim Morrison’s
still lying.
957
00:52:32,720 –> 00:52:36,360
And that is our episode.
Connor, thank you so much for
958
00:52:36,360 –> 00:52:39,160
doing the pod.
What do we have to plug before
959
00:52:39,160 –> 00:52:41,520
we get out of here?
Please follow me at Adam Todd
960
00:52:41,520 –> 00:52:44,160
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Blue Sky.
961
00:52:44,160 –> 00:52:47,520
You can also follow Conspiracy
the show on Blue Sky at
962
00:52:47,520 –> 00:52:50,960
conspiracy the show dot B sky
dot social do that.
963
00:52:51,040 –> 00:52:52,600
That’s all I got.
What do you want to?
964
00:52:52,800 –> 00:52:55,560
Plug You can follow me on social
media at Connor Mcspad and on
965
00:52:55,600 –> 00:53:00,040
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966
00:53:00,040 –> 00:53:03,800
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967
00:53:03,800 –> 00:53:05,520
free.
And I think that’s it.
968
00:53:05,520 –> 00:53:07,040
Let’s get the fuck out of here,
Connor.
969
00:53:07,040 –> 00:53:08,160
Say goodbye.
Goodbye.
970
00:53:08,160 –> 00:53:10,920
Frank.
Goodbye, Frank, we love you.