Adam and Connor talk to comedian Cory Robinson about that dark moment in American history when the government was snatching people off the street and sending them to foreign prisons with no due process.
Show notes: https://rebrand.ly/ctsep336
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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to
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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown
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joining me as Co host this week.
Connor Mcspadden’s here.
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How’s it going, man?
Also joining us, Corey Robinson
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is here.
Hello everybody.
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How’s it going?
How is everyone doing?
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That’s a loaded question these
days, but let’s go with fine.
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Yeah, it sure is.
I’m going to throw in on a very
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perfunctory empty false fine.
For how I’m doing, it’s fine.
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Welcome back to the most
dangerous series we’ve ever done
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on this network.
We did a couple episodes about
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Guantanamo last week, the
Guantanamo migrant operation
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center and the Guantanamo
detention camp.
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And when I paid Connor for the
Guantanamo episode, I put the
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word Guantanamo in the memo of
the Zelle payment and Bank of
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America fucking flagged that
Zelle payment, made me call them
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and literally interrogated me
about what CTS Guantanamo meant
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in the that’s.
Amazing.
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Of the Zelle transfer so.
A man can’t even fucking
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categorize his own Zelle
payments for tax purposes in
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this country anymore.
Yep, now it’s just got to be
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podcast appearance followed by a
date.
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That’s all the information
anyone’s getting anymore.
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You could maybe see if they if
they flag Gitmo, you just call
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it Gitmo.
Yeah, they didn’t catch G mock.
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They didn’t get Sam sweets
transfer.
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Hers went through fine.
They probably will now.
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They’re probably listening to
this, but it’s fine.
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Every time you call this is a
joke for three people.
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Every time you call it G Mock,
there’s a bunch of Yu-gi-oh
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players.
They’re like, wait, is he just,
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was he just talking about the
Dark Magician of Chaos?
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What does he have to do with
Guantanamo Bay?
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There’s a card called Dark
Magician.
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OK, We call him D Mock, you
know.
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Yeah, there is a small handful
of people losing their shit
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right now.
So, you know, you’re welcome.
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Spurx So on this episode we are
reflecting on the battle days
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when the United States was
snatching enemy combatants up
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off the street and sending them
to foreign prisons without due
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process.
A shocking moment in history we
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will certainly never see again
in our lifetime, that’s for
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sure.
And it was all done forever.
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I was like the battle days.
You mean like yesterday?
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Yeah, Yep.
Pretty much.
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We Hey Corey, we understood the
satire.
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Fuck yeah.
Reading comprehension has not
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yet been destroyed by ChatGPT
over here.
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I I understood that reference.
We’re talking about something
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called extraordinary rendition.
It should be the best funk band
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of the 70s is what it should be
like.
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You know, a Charlie Wilson side
project.
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It’s when you perform the best
version of something.
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Unfortunately, in this case it
is the CIA performing the best
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version of seizing and
transferring a person suspected
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of involvement with terrorist
group to another country for
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imprisonment and interrogation
without legal process.
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Well, I would say that that act
is like this perfecting that
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process to the CIA.
That’s like a a martial arts
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master’s kata that he does to,
you know, cleanse his soul and
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achieve perfection with this
routine he does every day.
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This is their this is what they
get out of bed in the morning
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for is sending people to weird
foreign black sites and
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electrocuting their testicles.
You know, it’s like, what do you
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think the whole thing runs on,
baby?
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Yeah, I think there’s teams of
CIA agents that wake up every
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like they have to get up every
morning and get into a unmarked
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van and then do a bunch of like
bag UPS, like 5 sets of 10.
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Yeah, they probably, they
probably have like a UFC
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training dummy that they like.
OK, the bag and bag and tag, Bag
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and tag, folks.
Come on, let’s go 123.
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Bag overhead into the van.
Close the door.
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Bag Van close.
Remember that.
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Due process zero.
Well done guys.
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BBC Bag van close It’s a.
CrossFit.
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The CrossFit gym training a
bunch of CIA van black baggers
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would be a pretty good TikTok
sketch.
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That would be this.
Somebody would have to do the
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shadow band that like.
Call yourself a patriot.
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Do you believe in health and
fitness?
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Well, do we have the fitness
program for you?
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I’m not going to lie, I would
check it out once.
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I would just pretend it was like
not immigrants or anything.
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I was black bagging.
P90X black site, sorry.
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I think.
Yeah, it’s it wouldn’t be the
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stupidest workout I ever did.
No, I wouldn’t.
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Definitely beats box jumps so.
Merriam Webster defines
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extraordinary rendition, like I
just said, the seizure and
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transfer of a person suspected
of involvement with a terrorist
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group to another country, or
imprisonment and interrogation
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without legal process, which is
literally a thing we’re seeing
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today.
The only difference is we as a
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country are done being secretive
about it.
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Now we’re just doing it and
being like, well, what?
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We can’t do anything.
We can’t bring them back.
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Not magicians.
Yeah, we’re we’re not
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extraordinary magicians.
What what’s difficult as a
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comedian is it’s our job to make
fun of like the stuff that
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happens in real life.
But like the dictionary
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definition, you just is the
actual plot to several Liam
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Neeson movies and.
Yeah, yeah, right.
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And that’s what we’re living
through right now.
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Yeah, just living through the
threat of it happening to
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anyone.
We’re in the beginning of like,
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you know how every 80s movie is
a not too distant future?
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We’re right in the beginning of
it getting fucked up.
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We’re we’re just, we’re just
getting to the part where Taco
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Bell becomes the only
restaurant.
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You know the not too distant
future in the 80s is 2025.
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Ironic, yeah.
Usually something like that.
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Yeah, on last weeks, you don’t
even like this show.
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We talked to a guy, he’s been a
listener of the pod for a long
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time.
He defends people in immigration
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cases in court, Born in the
United States, born in San Diego
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County.
Just got a letter from the
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Department of Homeland Security
saying he has to self deport.
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And what’s so scary about that
is it’s obviously a mistake
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because he’s a citizen, he was
born here.
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But if ICE snatches him up, are
they going to take that into
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account or are they just going
to deport him and let him fight
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it out in court, which we know
isn’t even going to be a thing?
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There is no port in this
process.
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In bag van closed class, I don’t
think there’s a unit on like.
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But wait, you don’t understand.
Yeah.
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I don’t think they have like a
social work, you know, framework
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within this.
I think it’s much more bag van
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closed than it is like OK, So
what?
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So you are a citizen.
You were born here.
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Well, show me.
Let’s let’s go get the papers.
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You know, like I bet they never
said that.
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Yeah, there’s literally no room
in the van for a lawyer, not
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even right.
Shotgun.
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That’s the sad thing about this.
Like, like what’s it’s the
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scariest part is like, it’s we
were joking that it’s going
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towards fascism, but like,
there, there’s no due process.
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Like that’s the one thing we’re
supposed to all have.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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And they said, what’s the
difference between like, no, cut
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that out, sorry.
Take two.
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Well, I mean, Speaking of
differences, the difference
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between a prison and a
concentration camp is there’s a
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judicial process attached to a
prison and.
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That’s what I was trying to
stupidly say I.
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Figured.
Yeah, but I just want to have
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this one caveat as a black
person, this is Tuesday.
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You know, like like due process
has always been sketchy at best
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with us.
Performative if anything.
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Yeah, did you?
Did anyone see Stephen Miller,
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the gargoyle that is overseeing
Trump’s immigration stuff hosted
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a thing on Twitter about how,
well where was due process for
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the January 6th protesters?
It’s like mother fucker they all
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had trials.
Yeah.
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Every single one of them had a
trial definition of due process.
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Stephen Miller’s like what’s
that mother fucker that’s not
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Dracula but he like stands
Dracula Lucky’s Lucky’s
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Dracula’s like fucking Renfield
Renfield.
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Stephen Miller has fucking
hardcore sycophant Machiavelli
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Renfield kiss ass to power vibes
like every next time he comes on
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screen there should be like.
AI would just love for it at one
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point and like something
happened to him and then the the
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Wilhelm screen happens off
camera.
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Like so many other truly awful
tactics that we generally
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associate with Republicans.
Case in point, listen to last
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week’s episode about the
Guantanamo migrant operation
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center.
Joe Biden is the one who doled
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out the contract to expand that
place to hold thousands of
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migrants.
It wasn’t Trump.
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Trump is acting on a plan Joe
Biden started while he was in
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office but after he dropped out
of the race.
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Pretty sneaky, sis.
And even this goes way back to
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even the Trail of Tears was done
by a Democrat if you think about
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it.
Yeah.
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And this is a thing that started
under Democrats, in this case
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Bill Clinton.
Because you see, those no good
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peaceniks at the UN had this
convention against torture that
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went into effect in the US in
October 1994.
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And it said, among other things,
that you can’t just ship someone
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back to their home country if
there is substantial reason to
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believe they’ll be tortured when
they get there.
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And apparently Clinton was like,
yeah, but I want to do that.
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That’s exactly what I want to
do.
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You understand?
Sneaky presidents.
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You know, the, the, the sad
thing about the politics is
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like, you got one side that’s
like absolutely evil.
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It’s just like, how far can we
take this?
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Then you got the other side
that’s either completely
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feckless or in on it and several
instances of in on it.
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And here we are, just like like
I hope I get a fair trial.
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You know, there’s a, there’s a
Simpsons joke I love that
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encapsulates that perfectly.
It’s like, it cuts between like
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the Republican National
Convention and the Democrat
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National Convention and the
Republican Natural National
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Convention is like there’s a big
banner hung up in front of the
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stage that says we’re pure evil,
you know, like weird, awful.
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Like we, we hate life, you know,
and then the Democrat National
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Convention, there’s a big banner
and it says we hate life in
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ourselves.
We can’t govern.
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So it’s like it’s we’re pure
evil or we can’t govern.
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You know?
That was why that show House of
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Cards was so popular with Kevin
Spacey, because it was like a
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Democrat actually getting stuff
done, you know, like, oh shit,
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this guy’s doing a couple couple
backroom deals.
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You know, it’s like we all
wanted Barack Obama to smoke a
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few more cigarettes and and get
us a couple more years of free
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health care, but he just didn’t,
you know?
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He sure did not.
So this convention against
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torture, it again said you can’t
ship someone back to their home
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country.
And so in August 1995, under
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Clinton, the CIA started a
covert extraordinary rendition
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program, even though it was
never explicitly called, that
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Egypt was the first country to
sign on as a partner in letting
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us send terror suspects to
foreign lands to be dealt with.
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And it would be one thing if
they’re just flying near to
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Egypt, driving you from the
airport, pushing you out of a
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car and you’re like, oh shit,
the pyramids, I guess I’m a
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tourist now.
No, they’re taking you to Egypt
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because that’s where people want
you killed.
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And it’s just easier at this
point in history for the CIA to
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deal with it that way.
Instead of us being the ones to
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do the torture.
We’re just literally outsourcing
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torture.
We got them that lazy like the
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CIA used to.
At least be good at that.
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Oh, they come around eventually
in this story.
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We spent like 5 minutes joking
about the exercises they did
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just to trap them.
You think they haven’t like
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worked on the waterboarding?
Like that’s good for the
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obliques?
Oh, they start doing their own
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stunts for sure.
I have a feeling that, like
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China, they’ve built this robust
manufacturing base over
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generations that they’re very
proud of.
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I have a feeling that they’re
doing their own torture too.
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Totally kicking our ass on that.
Like home grown fucking shit
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that we haven’t even thought of
yet.
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Absolutely.
Like China is like capitalist.
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It’s a, it’s a more advanced
capitalist fascism that we have.
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Like you can’t say shit on the
Internet, but you can absolutely
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buy and sell everything,
including people.
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And there’s a somewhat, it
seems, it seems to be there’s a
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somewhat coherent governing body
that’s relative, you know, that
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that can like make these
decisions that only like fascism
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could do so quickly.
You know, like if we if, if, if
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they have to change course, if
they have to make big moves,
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they can make big moves.
They don’t have to go through a
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whole fucking convoluted system
of arguing that amounts to
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nothing, but like, you know, the
political pandering and, and,
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and, and campaign contributions
like we have in our country.
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China is good at like the the,
what do you call it?
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The bag the.
The BVZ the.
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Bag van close.
The bag van close the BVC.
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They do that to billionaires
like we, we, I’ve, I’ve been
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trying to figure out how figure
out the premise of how much
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money it takes to get away with
what crime in America.
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Like when you get like
25,000,000 you can beat your
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wife like when you get like. 50
you can beat and hit her.
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No, you cannot.
Like that was already covered in
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the 25.
But like once you get to like
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100 and 100 million, you can
like, kill her and get away with
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it because I think that’s the
round where OJ had.
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And then, like once you’re a
billionaire, like you can
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literally commit like war crimes
and we’re just like this or
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Betty at 34 of fraud and your
only your only the punishment is
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we acknowledge that you did
fraud.
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We haven’t found the number of
dollars high enough where you
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can openly be a a rapper Nazi
yet, though.
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Unfortunately there’s not a
number, Heather.
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We we don’t know what the number
is yet.
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If you had, maybe if you had
two, Billy.
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There was a big scandal out
there where I believe it was the
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country of Malaysia.
There they had this sovereign
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wealth fund that just got
fucking raided by rich people,
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billionaires and all of these
really high level powerful
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people were involved.
And the including like Leonardo
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DiCaprio, for example.
And I mentioned him only because
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out of all of these like
powerful, like members of the
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Chinese Communist Party, all of
these huge global money
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launderers, the only person who
got arrested was Froz from The
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Fugees for setting up a photo op
with Obama for $12 million.
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And meanwhile, the guy that was
like financing it, when they
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went to arrest him, his fucking
apartment exploded and he was
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gone.
It was like wired to explode as
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it raided his place.
And now Praz is going to be in
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prison for like he’s literally
facing I think 23 years in
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prison and he is the only one
who got arrested.
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But I could, I imagine, I feel
like Trump might pardon him
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because.
He really liked the Fuji’s early
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stuff.
He was.
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Well I mean for starters is
there any other kind of Fuji
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stuff?
They only got 2 albums.
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Yeah, the you saying praise from
The Fugees was the most category
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answer that you could have
possibly put to that setup.
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I I totally forgot about that.
Yeah, there’s an article out
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there.
It’s fascinating.
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Like the story starts with him
going to, I believe it’s a Four
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Seasons in Manhattan and they’re
like, all right, go up to the
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concierge and say the word
banana.
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And he’s like, all right.
And he did that in the concierge
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gives him an envelope and is
like, go outside and open this.
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The envelope says walk around
the block twice and come back
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in.
He walks around the block twice,
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comes back in, he gets like damn
near black bagged to a fucking
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elevator that he’s never seen
before and is taken directly to
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a penthouse suite where he meets
with a high-ranking member of
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the Chinese Communist party.
Absolute fucking movie shit.
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It is so crazy.
The aluminum of Israel.
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I think Idris Elba bought the
rights to make that story into a
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movie.
Or is, like, signed on to play
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prize one of the other one of
the two.
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I mean, wait, sold.
Yeah.
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Or Prize is sitting there in
prison like I could play Prize.
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What’s wrong?
I know this role.
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I know this role backwards and
forwards.
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I just hope we get another like
a 2K25 ghetto superstar out of
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it.
If they turn that into a movie,
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let’s remake that.
Well, just as a hip hop fan, I
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can show you the albums recorded
through the jailhouse phone.
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Never have the of best quality.
That’s true.
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I mean if he gets out.
But they have that crackly
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charm, you know, shout.
Out to X-rated.
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So back to extraordinary
rendition.
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The first documented case,
according to author Steven Gray,
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who wrote a book about the
extraordinary rendition program
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called Ghost Plane, happened on
September 22nd, 1995.
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In that case, we captured A
suspected terrorist named Abu
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Talal Al Qasimi in Croatia and
immediately returned him to
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Egypt, his home country, which
he’d fled, where he was
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eventually executed.
Ironically enough, the US passed
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the War Crimes Act in August
1996, which, among other things,
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forbids unlawful deportation or
transfer.
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So bookending the creation of
the Extraordinary Rendition
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program is the US passing two
different laws that were meant
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to prevent this exact kind of
thing that is American as fuck.
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Right there.
When are we not?
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What law?
What law applies the same to
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every American?
Like I think, I think that’s
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what’s so crazy about the
current administration is
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because like they’re just seeing
like, who’s going to stop us?
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Like even if it’s wrong and even
if we’re dead to rights, like
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who?
What jury?
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Like what jury would convict us?
Who has the authority to punish
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us?
There’s a great, well, actually
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I don’t know if I should, I
don’t know if I call it great.
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There’s a Steve, there’s a Steve
Bannon quote I heard where he
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was like, all we got to do is
for like the first like 6
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months, like we just like don’t
fucking just keep going bang,
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bang, bang, like overwhelm them.
Like, just do a bunch of crazy
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shit and just by sheer brute
force you’ll get away with some
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of it, you know?
Or a lot of it.
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Yeah, that’s what scares me
about them buddying up with the
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president of El Salvador because
he did all of that shit.
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You’re not supposed to be able
to run for two terms in El
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Salvador.
And he went to the Supreme Court
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and was like, but come on, let
me.
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And they were like, no, it’s
against the Constitution.
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And he fucking fired the Supreme
Court and replaced them with
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people who would let him.
And when he fired them, they
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like filed a lawsuit, were like,
you can’t fire us.
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And he was like, what are you
going to do, kick my ass?
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It’s fucking fired.
And that guy, he’s 43, I think,
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like he’s going to be president
of El Salvador for like 50
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fucking years.
Crazy.
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He met, he saw what Trump wanted
to do.
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And he was like, it was like
when Frank Lucas met that Asian
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dude and, and American
gangsters.
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Like, I think we can do a lot of
business together.
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Yeah, exactly.
You say you have these people
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you want to get rid of.
I I have a place.
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Yeah, that is terrifying.
And he wants to build more of
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those places.
Do you think they have travel
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brochures for all the black
sites that like the CIA head
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office, like this is Guantanamo,
this is G Mock.
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This is some stuff we have in
the South Pacific.
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This is El Salvador.
That’s new.
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This is.
Stand away for a long time.
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Check out our new Black site
vacation rental spots.
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Yeah, I And if they do, I bet
they would just send them to
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you.
The CIA after a while just gets
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proud of the shit they did.
They know they’re not going to
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get brought to justice.
There’s that Wormwood
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documentary about the guy that
they dosed with acid until he
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jumped out a window.
Like the twist in that
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documentary is the CIA probably
threw him out of window.
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And at one point in that
documentary, the filmmaker is
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trying to figure out how he can
get his hands on, like,
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assassination manuals from back
in the day to see if, you know,
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anything in there matches up.
What happened to this Frank
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Olson guy?
And he just calls the CIA up.
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And they’re like, fuck yeah,
dude, we’ll send them all.
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And they just send him a stack
of assassination manuals from
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the 50s.
And what he’s looking for is in
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there.
They’re like we we finally get
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to brag about it to somebody.
Yeah, what’s he going to do,
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fucking get the CIA shut down?
No.
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Well, what are you going to
prove?
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How How We’re really good at
assassinating people.
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Yeah, I don’t think they fucking
care.
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When shit like this comes out,
they’re like, we’re the CIA, we
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will fucking ruin your country.
Yeah, they’re probably like high
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fiving over a coup that we don’t
even know has happened yet.
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Like, you know, I bet those are
some fire parties.
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The CIA, when they like, when
when they relate, when they
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topple the government, they’re
like, all right, let’s, let’s
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get the pizzas in here.
We’re going to be here for a
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while.
It’s going to be fun, I’m sure.
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I think they call those parties
Snowfall or the the the pilot
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episode.
Like this is it’s it’s it’s
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American as apple pie.
We’ve been knowing that we’ve
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got it so long.
It’s finally declassified.
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And they’re like, there’s some,
there’s some clerk in the CIA
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files like filing centers, like,
oh, finally I could send these
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out, you know?
Yeah.
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It’s like makes so much room.
So.
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I don’t know if anyone remembers
9/11.
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Not me.
I’m young, I’m very young.
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I don’t even.
I’ve barely even heard of it.
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After 911, obviously things
changed a lot when it came to
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United States policy on fighting
terrorism.
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Almost immediately after it
happened, George W Bush gave the
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CIA just carte blanche to do
whatever they wanted in terms of
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detaining or killing terrorists.
By October, we had rushed the
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Patriot Act through.
We were at war with Afghanistan
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already for some reason, and it
didn’t take long for news of
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extraordinary renditions to
start seeing the light of day
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after 911.
In December 2001, two Egyptian
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men, Muhammad Al Zary and Ahmed
Agizza, sought asylum in Sweden.
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Not only was their request
denied, Sweden just handed them
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over to a ski mask wearing group
of CIA operatives who flew them
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right back to Egypt.
Like we do chocolate and
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watches.
My friend.
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This is way above our pay grade.
Yeah, you always think of Sweden
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like not being the kind of
country that would do that, but
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especially that close to 911, I
can’t imagine there was any
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country that was going to tempt
fate by taking terrorists in.
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00:23:39,480 –> 00:23:42,240
Well, especially if it was like,
if it was like however many
434
00:23:42,240 –> 00:23:44,520
Saudi guys it was that actually
did the fucking thing.
435
00:23:44,520 –> 00:23:48,040
And then we go into Afghanistan
and Iraq, which still to this
436
00:23:48,040 –> 00:23:51,360
day makes no sense to anybody.
How we really did that.
437
00:23:51,400 –> 00:23:53,240
Yeah.
So, yeah, Sweden, I’m sure
438
00:23:53,240 –> 00:23:54,840
Sweden is like, you know, we
could, yeah, fuck it.
439
00:23:54,840 –> 00:23:57,000
We could be next.
They may want to chocolate and
440
00:23:57,000 –> 00:24:00,880
watches.
So a Swedish TV show ends up
441
00:24:00,920 –> 00:24:05,200
looking into this case where
these two men are black bagged
442
00:24:05,200 –> 00:24:07,400
basically and flown out of the
country.
443
00:24:07,600 –> 00:24:12,520
And in their investigation, they
found the tail number of the
444
00:24:12,520 –> 00:24:15,000
plane that they were flown away
in.
445
00:24:15,200 –> 00:24:18,360
And that is the first piece of
information investigative
446
00:24:18,360 –> 00:24:22,720
journalist Steven Gray used to
launch his investigation that
447
00:24:22,760 –> 00:24:27,080
eventually uncovered the scope
of the extraordinary rendition
448
00:24:27,200 –> 00:24:29,760
operation.
Basically, the CIA was teaming
449
00:24:29,760 –> 00:24:33,400
up with other countries to have
those countries do the torturing
450
00:24:33,400 –> 00:24:36,840
and interrogating for them.
Like a ghost kitchen for human
451
00:24:36,840 –> 00:24:39,800
suffering.
Exactly like that.
452
00:24:39,880 –> 00:24:44,040
Serving your community more
conveniently with ghost torture.
453
00:24:44,200 –> 00:24:46,960
Torture Dash.
Door Dash.
454
00:24:48,040 –> 00:24:52,680
They arrested a man named Binyam
Mohammed in Pakistan in 2002.
455
00:24:53,120 –> 00:24:57,040
He was accused of planning an
attack in the US and eventually
456
00:24:57,040 –> 00:25:02,120
arrested at the Karachi airport.
And after his arrest, the CIA
457
00:25:02,120 –> 00:25:05,400
shipped him off to a prison in
Morocco, where he says he was
458
00:25:05,400 –> 00:25:10,800
tortured for the next 18 months
by Moroccan intelligence agents.
459
00:25:11,000 –> 00:25:15,120
After that, he was taken to Acia
Dark prison in Afghanistan that
460
00:25:15,120 –> 00:25:19,320
we later learned was
terrifyingly named Assault Pit.
461
00:25:19,440 –> 00:25:23,480
Birthplace of Bain, ancient foe
of Batman.
462
00:25:23,880 –> 00:25:28,000
You merely adapted to torture.
I was born in it.
463
00:25:28,840 –> 00:25:33,320
Born.
At night, let’s ruin the podcast
464
00:25:33,320 –> 00:25:37,320
doing a 2012 Fast movie
reference for the rest of the
465
00:25:37,320 –> 00:25:42,000
show.
Adam Todd Brown, continue with
466
00:25:42,000 –> 00:25:43,840
y’all.
Let’s all make shot counter it.
467
00:25:44,440 –> 00:25:45,920
Yeah, mine.
Yours is better than mine.
468
00:25:46,280 –> 00:25:50,960
I like yours though, sorry.
So the salt pit sounds fucking
469
00:25:51,240 –> 00:25:54,800
terrifying.
It was dark at all times,
470
00:25:54,960 –> 00:25:59,560
windows were painted, curtains,
blinds always shut so total
471
00:25:59,560 –> 00:26:02,960
darkness, loud music playing
constantly.
472
00:26:03,160 –> 00:26:06,920
Prisoners were kept in darkness
and isolation, with just a
473
00:26:06,920 –> 00:26:10,680
bucket for human waste, no
protection against winter
474
00:26:10,800 –> 00:26:15,480
weather, and detainees were
reportedly hosed down with water
475
00:26:15,600 –> 00:26:20,440
while shackled, naked and placed
in cold cells subjected to sleep
476
00:26:20,440 –> 00:26:24,160
deprivation, often by way of
having their hands shackled to
477
00:26:24,160 –> 00:26:27,760
bars above their heads.
One CIA interrogator said his
478
00:26:27,760 –> 00:26:31,760
team found a detainee who’d been
chained in a standing position
479
00:26:31,920 –> 00:26:36,800
for 17 days.
Wow, did someone just forget?
480
00:26:36,920 –> 00:26:39,800
Was there a competition with the
other torture camp across the
481
00:26:39,800 –> 00:26:42,920
lake?
Probably.
482
00:26:43,200 –> 00:26:46,560
We’re going to get those guys in
the Mossad, not this summer.
483
00:26:46,840 –> 00:26:49,000
What information were they
trying to extract?
484
00:26:49,080 –> 00:26:52,360
Or was it just for fun?
Some of this had to just be for
485
00:26:52,360 –> 00:26:55,320
fun, right?
I I don’t see how it couldn’t
486
00:26:55,320 –> 00:26:57,400
be.
I mean, it’s like you you’d have
487
00:26:57,400 –> 00:26:59,360
to be a sadist by definition to
do it.
488
00:26:59,560 –> 00:27:03,320
And you mentioned the war in
Iraq earlier.
489
00:27:03,480 –> 00:27:08,920
This is how we got the bullshit
information about Iraq, training
490
00:27:08,960 –> 00:27:13,680
Al Qaeda on weapons of mass
destruction that was elicited
491
00:27:13,680 –> 00:27:17,920
through torture as part of the
extraordinary rendition program.
492
00:27:18,240 –> 00:27:22,840
So This is why we invaded Iraq,
because we tortured someone into
493
00:27:22,840 –> 00:27:26,280
lying about it.
It was just would say anything
494
00:27:26,560 –> 00:27:30,040
like fucking 1984 do it to Julia
style, Yeah.
495
00:27:30,080 –> 00:27:33,560
You know, I’ve watched so many
different bullshit movies and
496
00:27:33,560 –> 00:27:38,240
like seen so much bullshit news,
I’ve never actually gotten a
497
00:27:38,240 –> 00:27:40,040
straight answer for why we went
to Iraq.
498
00:27:40,240 –> 00:27:43,480
No one knows, no.
It’s like Afghanistan hit us for
499
00:27:43,480 –> 00:27:46,840
911 and then it’s like we’ve got
to attack Iraq.
500
00:27:46,840 –> 00:27:48,640
And I was like looking at the
map like.
501
00:27:49,360 –> 00:27:52,600
That is my favorite question to
hit someone with when they’re
502
00:27:52,600 –> 00:27:54,480
like, I don’t believe conspiracy
theories.
503
00:27:54,680 –> 00:27:57,320
It’s like none.
No, I don’t believe conspiracy
504
00:27:57,320 –> 00:27:59,160
theories.
All right, Do you believe Iraq
505
00:27:59,160 –> 00:28:03,840
had weapons of mass destruction?
If the answer is no, then
506
00:28:03,840 –> 00:28:06,920
there’s your conspiracy theory.
There’s your first conspiracy
507
00:28:06,920 –> 00:28:07,760
theory.
Enjoy it.
508
00:28:08,360 –> 00:28:14,360
So what is especially shocking
about the Salt Pit and what
509
00:28:14,360 –> 00:28:19,960
ended up being a whole network
of CIA secret prisons around the
510
00:28:19,960 –> 00:28:24,360
world is that everyone who was
sent there, things started
511
00:28:24,360 –> 00:28:28,120
improving for them once they
went to Guantanamo Bay.
512
00:28:28,520 –> 00:28:32,920
So these prisons they were in
before that, we’re so fucking
513
00:28:32,920 –> 00:28:36,840
harsh and so brutal that they
get to Guantanamo and they’re
514
00:28:36,840 –> 00:28:40,040
like, all right, finally some
humanity for a change.
515
00:28:40,240 –> 00:28:42,760
They’re not blasting Baby Shark
over here.
516
00:28:43,880 –> 00:28:46,680
Torture your criminals in a
tropical paradise.
517
00:28:48,240 –> 00:28:49,920
That is the thing.
Argue with that weather, you
518
00:28:49,920 –> 00:28:53,640
know.
If you like pina coladas and
519
00:28:53,640 –> 00:28:57,840
shocking some guy’s balls.
Water boarded in pain.
520
00:28:59,640 –> 00:29:02,480
If you like drawing blood at
midnight.
521
00:29:03,680 –> 00:29:08,160
So in the case of Binyam
Muhammad, he was finally able to
522
00:29:08,160 –> 00:29:11,960
secure a lawyer after being
transferred to Guantanamo.
523
00:29:11,960 –> 00:29:16,560
And that was after 18 fucking
months of being detained other
524
00:29:16,560 –> 00:29:19,800
places.
So Guantanamo is where we sent
525
00:29:19,800 –> 00:29:24,160
people when we started being
nice, which is a terrifying
526
00:29:24,160 –> 00:29:25,920
thought.
That is terrifying.
527
00:29:26,200 –> 00:29:27,880
That’s that’s the good behavior
wing.
528
00:29:28,080 –> 00:29:31,680
Yeah, which, wow.
And then, as we know, within
529
00:29:31,680 –> 00:29:36,760
Guantanamo there are good wings
and bad wings and fucking wings
530
00:29:36,760 –> 00:29:40,480
named after Beatles songs.
Multiple parts of Guantanamo
531
00:29:40,480 –> 00:29:43,480
named after Beatles songs.
Which it’s like, come on,
532
00:29:43,480 –> 00:29:45,280
boomers.
Exactly.
533
00:29:46,040 –> 00:29:49,720
Like even then you don’t want to
go like Radiohead or something.
534
00:29:49,720 –> 00:29:51,520
It’s 2000.
You’re young, you’re in the
535
00:29:51,520 –> 00:29:53,720
military.
You guys don’t like rap music.
536
00:29:53,720 –> 00:29:55,280
You don’t have the, I mean, come
on.
537
00:29:55,280 –> 00:29:58,400
But it’s it’s just a little,
it’s kind of cornball, you know?
538
00:29:58,800 –> 00:30:00,320
Yeah.
I mean I love The Beatles but
539
00:30:00,320 –> 00:30:02,800
like naming A torture wing after
him like.
540
00:30:02,960 –> 00:30:05,240
Although I guess maybe it’s the
CI as way of kind of like
541
00:30:05,240 –> 00:30:07,360
appropriating the Charles Manson
Steeves.
542
00:30:07,520 –> 00:30:09,840
Yeah, yeah.
So like, we can be poetic and
543
00:30:09,840 –> 00:30:11,520
dark.
Dude, I’m fucking all about
544
00:30:11,520 –> 00:30:12,680
Helter Skelter.
I get it.
545
00:30:12,920 –> 00:30:15,800
Maybe they were just trying to,
like, stick it to John Lennon.
546
00:30:16,080 –> 00:30:18,600
They’re like we won.
Killed you twice.
547
00:30:18,600 –> 00:30:22,120
No kidding.
It’s a wild thought that Gitmo
548
00:30:22,120 –> 00:30:26,400
is like our version of the
prison they sent Henry Hill to
549
00:30:26,400 –> 00:30:28,120
and Goodfellas.
It’s like they’re they’re
550
00:30:28,120 –> 00:30:30,120
cooking, they’re enjoying, like
they’re sleeping.
551
00:30:30,120 –> 00:30:34,760
Good selling drugs guys getting
a blowjob in the background.
552
00:30:35,440 –> 00:30:37,920
Cutting really thin pieces of
garlic with a razor blade.
553
00:30:38,360 –> 00:30:40,240
You only need one, like one
onion.
554
00:30:40,240 –> 00:30:44,920
What’s going on with you?
So another case of extraordinary
555
00:30:44,920 –> 00:30:48,520
rendition that made a lot of
headlines involved the Canadian
556
00:30:48,520 –> 00:30:53,000
citizen named Mahar Arar.
He was detained at JFK Airport
557
00:30:53,080 –> 00:30:56,000
by U.S. officials.
Well, I I mean I understand why
558
00:30:56,000 –> 00:30:58,480
they detained him initially
because that is one of the most
559
00:30:58,480 –> 00:31:00,760
made-up sounding names I’ve ever
heard in my life.
560
00:31:01,280 –> 00:31:02,760
Yeah.
Yeah, there are no hard
561
00:31:02,760 –> 00:31:06,480
consonants in that, in that.
Names like if my name was Achu
562
00:31:06,480 –> 00:31:10,000
Abu.
Yeah, a rhyming name is always
563
00:31:10,000 –> 00:31:12,760
going to raise people’s alarms
for sure.
564
00:31:13,160 –> 00:31:15,000
I like Binyam.
I never heard the name Binyam
565
00:31:15,000 –> 00:31:16,560
before.
I was thinking about a guy named
566
00:31:16,560 –> 00:31:17,440
Ben.
There done that.
567
00:31:18,160 –> 00:31:19,920
First name has been there and
his last name has done that.
568
00:31:20,320 –> 00:31:23,640
How can you spell Maharvar?
Yeah.
569
00:31:24,120 –> 00:31:29,480
Mahar arar arar arar arar.
Yeah, he’s he sounds drunk to
570
00:31:29,480 –> 00:31:31,840
say it.
This guy with the wacky sound
571
00:31:31,840 –> 00:31:35,600
and rhyming name was held for
seven days before being shipped
572
00:31:35,600 –> 00:31:40,000
to a notorious prison in Syria
called Palestine Branch.
573
00:31:40,440 –> 00:31:42,160
Now I feel bad about doing this
thing with his name.
574
00:31:42,840 –> 00:31:44,280
Good to see Palestine branching
out.
575
00:31:44,680 –> 00:31:49,120
Though that was after being
interrogated about links to Al
576
00:31:49,120 –> 00:31:52,600
Qaeda ends up being shipped to
this prison in Syria.
577
00:31:52,800 –> 00:31:56,400
Sues the US government after he
was finally released after a
578
00:31:56,400 –> 00:31:59,640
year in that Syrian prison with
no charges.
579
00:32:00,000 –> 00:32:03,040
But the case was thrown out on
the grounds that letting it go
580
00:32:03,040 –> 00:32:05,680
forward would reveal US state
secrets.
581
00:32:05,880 –> 00:32:08,520
And that will not be the last
time you hear that.
582
00:32:09,680 –> 00:32:13,200
But he did have his name cleared
of any connection to terrorism
583
00:32:13,360 –> 00:32:18,080
by a Canadian investigation.
And former Prime Minister
584
00:32:18,080 –> 00:32:22,600
Stephen Harper, who is in every
way the George W Bush of Canada,
585
00:32:22,800 –> 00:32:28,920
apologized and ordered Arar to
be paid $9.7 million in
586
00:32:28,920 –> 00:32:31,600
compensation.
That’s the difference between
587
00:32:31,640 –> 00:32:33,480
Canada and the United States, I
guess.
588
00:32:33,600 –> 00:32:36,440
Oh, who’s laughing at Mahara or
are now?
589
00:32:37,320 –> 00:32:40,080
Right, it’s got enough money to
start a media empire.
590
00:32:41,080 –> 00:32:45,080
Buy us out in this podcast.
It’s it’s good to come from a
591
00:32:45,080 –> 00:32:47,880
country where you still some
still appear to have rights.
592
00:32:48,000 –> 00:32:50,720
I guess America is just not even
trying anymore.
593
00:32:50,800 –> 00:32:56,760
Yeah, I’m interested on what the
ETA is, where Canada shuts down
594
00:32:56,760 –> 00:32:59,760
their borders to us.
I feel like that’s got to be
595
00:32:59,760 –> 00:33:00,880
coming.
Pretty soon.
596
00:33:01,320 –> 00:33:02,560
What’s the over under three
years?
597
00:33:02,720 –> 00:33:04,160
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, the.
598
00:33:04,520 –> 00:33:07,240
Whole Trump term.
Definitely before they end up
599
00:33:07,280 –> 00:33:11,040
like before the like, assuming
he cedes power to someone else
600
00:33:11,040 –> 00:33:13,600
before that.
Scheduled dates before January
601
00:33:13,600 –> 00:33:16,280
20th at the end of his term.
I bet you that’ll happen.
602
00:33:16,280 –> 00:33:20,480
That’s the under.
So arguably the most famous case
603
00:33:21,080 –> 00:33:24,760
of extraordinary rendition
involved man named Khaled Al
604
00:33:24,760 –> 00:33:27,560
Masri.
He was a German national of
605
00:33:27,560 –> 00:33:32,080
Lebanese origin, took a brief
vacation to Macedonia by bus,
606
00:33:32,280 –> 00:33:35,640
got stopped at the border
crossing between Serbia and
607
00:33:35,640 –> 00:33:40,160
Macedonia, you know the one, and
is accused there of being a
608
00:33:40,160 –> 00:33:42,720
terrorist.
He was held for three weeks in a
609
00:33:42,720 –> 00:33:46,320
hotel room where he says he was
interrogated and beaten.
610
00:33:46,480 –> 00:33:49,600
After that, he was transferred
to the Salt Pit, where he spent
611
00:33:49,600 –> 00:33:53,320
four months in solitary
confinement before then CIA
612
00:33:53,320 –> 00:33:56,520
Director George Tenet ordered
him to be released.
613
00:33:56,760 –> 00:34:00,800
CIA never said it publicly, but
it was eventually confirmed
614
00:34:00,880 –> 00:34:05,600
that, whoops, this was a case of
mistaken identity and they
615
00:34:05,720 –> 00:34:10,480
grabbed the wrong guy.
The ACLU later filed a lawsuit
616
00:34:10,600 –> 00:34:14,480
on his behalf against the CIA
and George Tenet, but the case
617
00:34:14,480 –> 00:34:17,120
was thrown out on the grounds
that letting it proceed would
618
00:34:17,120 –> 00:34:21,360
reveal state secrets.
And that guy did not get $9.7
619
00:34:21,360 –> 00:34:24,400
million from the.
I know that was homie can’t even
620
00:34:24,400 –> 00:34:27,040
get the couple 1,000,000 bucks
like what the fuck.
621
00:34:27,360 –> 00:34:30,520
Was his name clear?
It was confirmed that they got
622
00:34:30,520 –> 00:34:33,920
the wrong guy so there was like
nothing to clear his name of
623
00:34:34,239 –> 00:34:37,400
basically.
I love that special wording that
624
00:34:37,719 –> 00:34:42,600
that absolves any said
government of any said
625
00:34:43,040 –> 00:34:44,800
responsibility or
accountability.
626
00:34:44,800 –> 00:34:47,760
It’s just like it was proven
that he was the wrong guy.
627
00:34:47,760 –> 00:34:49,679
It’s never that we got the wrong
guy.
628
00:34:49,719 –> 00:34:53,480
It was like it it had there’s
evidence that like they may have
629
00:34:53,480 –> 00:34:56,400
obtained the wrong person
instead of like we fucked up and
630
00:34:56,400 –> 00:34:59,080
we should pay restitution.
Yeah, at least they let him go.
631
00:34:59,320 –> 00:35:03,680
I mean, imagine how much fucking
therapy you need after a week in
632
00:35:03,680 –> 00:35:05,560
the salt.
I mean, that’s probably that’s,
633
00:35:05,560 –> 00:35:08,680
that’s that’s 20 grand worth of
complaining to a guy on a couch
634
00:35:08,680 –> 00:35:11,080
at least.
Oh yeah, there’s whole entire
635
00:35:11,080 –> 00:35:15,560
books out there from Guantanamo
Bay survivors that are just
636
00:35:15,760 –> 00:35:19,400
harrowing accounts of months and
months and months of torture.
637
00:35:19,600 –> 00:35:21,800
Like, that’s what all of these
episodes could be.
638
00:35:21,800 –> 00:35:25,560
Is just like getting really into
the weeds when it comes to the
639
00:35:25,560 –> 00:35:27,120
kind of torture shit they were
doing.
640
00:35:27,160 –> 00:35:29,040
It is fucking.
Brutal.
641
00:35:29,360 –> 00:35:31,520
Didn’t they make him sit on a
big ass pyramid?
642
00:35:31,680 –> 00:35:35,480
Sitting on pyramids they made
one guy lay on an electrified
643
00:35:35,680 –> 00:35:39,160
like box spring like.
For a bed.
644
00:35:39,480 –> 00:35:45,120
Yeah, just all kinds of shit.
And so one of the really
645
00:35:45,120 –> 00:35:50,320
underrated aspects of American
intelligence and the shit we get
646
00:35:50,320 –> 00:35:54,120
up to on the world stage, it’s
something people who just kind
647
00:35:54,120 –> 00:35:58,320
of recoil at the idea that the
US ever does bad on the world
648
00:35:58,320 –> 00:36:01,560
stage should look into more is
shell companies.
649
00:36:01,720 –> 00:36:05,160
The CIA is goddamn everywhere.
These mother folks got more
650
00:36:05,160 –> 00:36:06,760
shells than Mario Kart.
Goddamn.
651
00:36:08,000 –> 00:36:12,960
And a shell company, what that
is, is basically the CIA starts
652
00:36:12,960 –> 00:36:16,640
a company, has no employees,
there’s no real presence.
653
00:36:16,960 –> 00:36:20,720
It just sort of exists on paper.
So they can do everything
654
00:36:20,720 –> 00:36:25,120
through that and make it look
like it’s not the CIA doing
655
00:36:25,240 –> 00:36:27,880
shit.
And in the case of extraordinary
656
00:36:27,880 –> 00:36:31,360
rendition, we know of at least
12 shell companies that were
657
00:36:31,360 –> 00:36:35,280
involved, Aviation specialities,
Baird Foreign Marketing, Pro
658
00:36:35,280 –> 00:36:38,760
Aviation Technologies, Devon
Holding and Leasing, Keeler and
659
00:36:38,760 –> 00:36:41,880
Tate Management, Half
Corporation, the list goes on
660
00:36:41,880 –> 00:36:44,320
and on and on.
So you wouldn’t like immediately
661
00:36:44,680 –> 00:36:47,360
see those names and be like, oh,
that’s the CIA.
662
00:36:47,680 –> 00:36:50,200
I mean Premier Executive
Transport Services.
663
00:36:50,200 –> 00:36:53,120
The acronym is PETS.
That’s way too cute to be a evil
664
00:36:53,120 –> 00:36:55,000
shell company.
It sure is.
665
00:36:55,120 –> 00:36:57,960
Yeah, that’s adorable.
But then rapid air transport
666
00:36:58,040 –> 00:37:00,080
rat.
That’s CIA for sure.
667
00:37:00,080 –> 00:37:01,840
That is, if they’re fucking
rats, dude.
668
00:37:02,080 –> 00:37:06,480
And these were all businesses
created to hide the true owner
669
00:37:06,480 –> 00:37:08,560
of the plane used in all of
this.
670
00:37:08,760 –> 00:37:12,800
And there were a lot of planes
and a lot of times they were
671
00:37:12,800 –> 00:37:16,440
like Gulfstream jets and just
like private planes.
672
00:37:16,440 –> 00:37:19,520
They weren’t like throwing
people on Delta flights and shit
673
00:37:19,520 –> 00:37:21,600
like that.
At least if you’re getting black
674
00:37:21,600 –> 00:37:23,720
bags, you’re flying private.
That is true.
675
00:37:23,720 –> 00:37:26,040
I wonder if you got like
champagne and all that.
676
00:37:26,040 –> 00:37:27,920
Like once you’re up in the air,
you might as well.
677
00:37:28,040 –> 00:37:29,240
Put a little hole in the bag.
What?
678
00:37:29,240 –> 00:37:32,000
Is one more glass?
Come on, it’ll be funny.
679
00:37:33,080 –> 00:37:35,920
The last year is basically a
cigarette with the blindfold.
680
00:37:37,000 –> 00:37:39,560
Yeah.
Also real quick, do you have a
681
00:37:39,560 –> 00:37:43,840
stat on like what happens if
they just say if they just like,
682
00:37:43,880 –> 00:37:47,400
what’s the what’s the turnover
rate for, for torture?
683
00:37:47,400 –> 00:37:50,680
Like do do we get any
information that’s useful to how
684
00:37:50,680 –> 00:37:52,600
many people rat?
Like, what’s the point?
685
00:37:52,600 –> 00:37:55,600
What is what is the point of
this besides sadism?
686
00:37:55,800 –> 00:38:00,240
I sometimes feel like the sadism
is the point because you see all
687
00:38:00,240 –> 00:38:05,440
of these accounts, like the FBI
and the CIA in a lot of ways
688
00:38:05,440 –> 00:38:09,640
during the War on Terror, sort
of hated each other and had kind
689
00:38:09,640 –> 00:38:12,800
of an adversarial relationship.
Which is how you want your
690
00:38:12,800 –> 00:38:15,040
government to work.
You want it to be at odds with
691
00:38:15,040 –> 00:38:18,480
itself so that they’re not
sharing information, so that
692
00:38:18,480 –> 00:38:21,360
they’re kind of like 2 baseball
players running towards the same
693
00:38:21,360 –> 00:38:23,880
ball and knocking heads.
Yeah, that’s what you want.
694
00:38:24,040 –> 00:38:27,120
Didn’t contribute to 911 at all.
Not even slightly.
695
00:38:27,200 –> 00:38:29,200
We’ve been running like
clockwork for decades.
696
00:38:30,040 –> 00:38:32,600
Yeah, 24 years of weaponized
incompetence.
697
00:38:33,920 –> 00:38:38,160
One of the things you see if you
read up on this, especially with
698
00:38:38,160 –> 00:38:42,400
the War on Terror in the early
days, there was this kind of
699
00:38:42,400 –> 00:38:47,480
jockeying for position between
the FBI and the CIA.
700
00:38:47,640 –> 00:38:51,640
And the FBI’s whole thing was,
well, let’s just interrogate
701
00:38:51,640 –> 00:38:55,240
them like normal, you know, just
like you would interrogate
702
00:38:55,240 –> 00:38:59,720
someone who had rights and will,
you know, try and build rapport
703
00:38:59,720 –> 00:39:04,600
and get things done that way.
And there’s one detainee in
704
00:39:04,600 –> 00:39:09,040
particular I remember reading
about where the FBI interrogator
705
00:39:09,040 –> 00:39:12,240
was, like, I was making some
progress in getting some
706
00:39:12,240 –> 00:39:16,040
information out of him by, you
know, talking and building
707
00:39:16,040 –> 00:39:18,960
rapport.
And one day, the CIA just showed
708
00:39:18,960 –> 00:39:22,680
up and started waterboarding
him, and he never talked again.
709
00:39:22,840 –> 00:39:26,400
And there’s the example I
mentioned earlier where they got
710
00:39:26,560 –> 00:39:31,120
faulty intelligence that now
that I say it, that was probably
711
00:39:31,120 –> 00:39:35,600
the point, to get the faulty
intelligence required to allow
712
00:39:35,600 –> 00:39:39,360
us to invade Iraq.
That was probably what they
713
00:39:39,360 –> 00:39:43,600
wanted was to beat someone into
submission enough that they’d be
714
00:39:43,600 –> 00:39:47,080
like, fucking yeah, Who’s Saddam
Hussein?
715
00:39:47,080 –> 00:39:49,640
Yeah, yeah.
That guy’s super religious.
716
00:39:49,640 –> 00:39:52,760
Fuck yeah.
Very, very Al Qaeda, of course,
717
00:39:52,960 –> 00:39:55,960
that was probably the point.
And we got it, and we were able
718
00:39:55,960 –> 00:39:58,240
to invade a wreck over it.
Yeah, some guy probably like
719
00:39:58,240 –> 00:40:00,920
shocked some dudes balls until
he said that there was like a
720
00:40:01,320 –> 00:40:05,200
bunch of the hairier jets buried
underneath his ex wife’s house.
721
00:40:05,240 –> 00:40:06,960
You know, like just so they
could blow it up.
722
00:40:06,960 –> 00:40:10,560
Like you could be your own
personal wish list of like
723
00:40:10,720 –> 00:40:13,480
foreign invasions.
Like you could you could
724
00:40:13,480 –> 00:40:15,800
literally just torture people
until they say anything.
725
00:40:15,960 –> 00:40:18,160
Yeah, which is kind of my point.
Am I asking?
726
00:40:18,400 –> 00:40:20,280
Yeah.
And that kind of had to be the
727
00:40:20,280 –> 00:40:21,920
point.
I think they knew they weren’t
728
00:40:21,920 –> 00:40:26,840
going to and get justification
for invading Iraq out of any of
729
00:40:26,840 –> 00:40:29,800
this, but if they do it this
way, they could get it.
730
00:40:29,920 –> 00:40:33,280
Which, God, that’s grim.
That is grim to fucking think
731
00:40:33,280 –> 00:40:35,080
about.
I just saw one of the names on
732
00:40:35,080 –> 00:40:37,000
here.
Presidential aviation is just
733
00:40:37,000 –> 00:40:38,480
the best.
Kind of ironic.
734
00:40:38,640 –> 00:40:39,480
Yeah.
Yeah.
735
00:40:39,680 –> 00:40:44,000
That’s yeah, really good boy.
We need another Mahara in here.
736
00:40:44,000 –> 00:40:48,120
Lighten things up.
Well, here’s a name you’ll know.
737
00:40:48,200 –> 00:40:50,320
Those shell companies were one
thing.
738
00:40:50,360 –> 00:40:54,120
There’s an even longer list of
real companies that helped out
739
00:40:54,120 –> 00:40:58,440
with extraordinary rendition as
operating companies, and those
740
00:40:58,440 –> 00:41:01,840
are companies that maintain
private aircraft on behalf of
741
00:41:02,000 –> 00:41:04,280
the owners, in this case, the
CIA.
742
00:41:04,440 –> 00:41:08,040
Much longer list that of course
includes Blackwater at one
743
00:41:08,040 –> 00:41:11,560
point, but a way more
interesting name near the bottom
744
00:41:11,560 –> 00:41:15,000
of the list.
Wells Fargo Bank also.
745
00:41:16,360 –> 00:41:18,000
Wells Fargo doesn’t do anything
right.
746
00:41:18,200 –> 00:41:22,000
Crazy that the same outfit that
for years was just opening
747
00:41:22,200 –> 00:41:24,800
credit cards and checking
accounts in people’s names
748
00:41:24,800 –> 00:41:30,000
without telling them was also a
OK with helping fly people out
749
00:41:30,000 –> 00:41:32,720
of the country so they could be
tortured apparently.
750
00:41:32,880 –> 00:41:35,640
Wells Fargo is the bank for bank
robbers.
751
00:41:36,760 –> 00:41:39,800
Literally, yeah.
Like they robbed their their
752
00:41:39,800 –> 00:41:44,160
bank that robs itself and they
use the money to fund torture
753
00:41:44,160 –> 00:41:46,560
planes.
Like that sounds totally on
754
00:41:46,560 –> 00:41:48,080
brand when you really think
about it.
755
00:41:48,080 –> 00:41:50,560
And I’m so I’m so glad I still
owe them money.
756
00:41:52,720 –> 00:41:55,560
Well, you know, a bank that
still uses the horse and buggy
757
00:41:55,560 –> 00:42:01,120
in the year 2025 as their symbol
has embraced modernity and
758
00:42:01,160 –> 00:42:03,000
efficiency in All in all
respects.
759
00:42:03,000 –> 00:42:04,320
It’s.
Going to be funny when Corey
760
00:42:04,320 –> 00:42:07,520
gets black bagged and
extraordinary rendition to a
761
00:42:07,520 –> 00:42:10,080
Wells Fargo branch in Los
Angeles.
762
00:42:10,280 –> 00:42:12,680
It’s like we heard what you said
about the money.
763
00:42:14,120 –> 00:42:16,600
I was talking, I was joking with
my buddy the other day.
764
00:42:16,600 –> 00:42:19,520
I was like, where would they,
where would they deport me to?
765
00:42:19,680 –> 00:42:21,960
Like, just because I’m in New
York, I feel like it would be
766
00:42:21,960 –> 00:42:26,400
the Dr. But like, other than
that, like I like I I’m from,
767
00:42:26,600 –> 00:42:28,040
like I’m black.
I’m from here.
768
00:42:28,040 –> 00:42:29,440
Like I’m your mistake.
Come on.
769
00:42:29,600 –> 00:42:32,120
Yeah.
You brought me here, OK, you
770
00:42:32,120 –> 00:42:35,280
deal with it.
Yeah, so there were also trip
771
00:42:35,280 –> 00:42:38,000
planners.
The operators would sometimes
772
00:42:38,000 –> 00:42:41,600
subcontract logistical stuff
like flight planning to other
773
00:42:41,600 –> 00:42:44,240
companies called trip planners.
There are at least four trip
774
00:42:44,240 –> 00:42:47,160
planners tied to extraordinary
rendition, but the most
775
00:42:47,160 –> 00:42:50,360
important of them being Jeppesen
Data Plan.
776
00:42:50,520 –> 00:42:53,200
For one thing, they are a
subsidiary of Boeing.
777
00:42:53,400 –> 00:42:56,520
So there’s another corporate
name you know and don’t trust
778
00:42:56,880 –> 00:42:58,640
rearing its ugly head in the
story.
779
00:42:58,840 –> 00:43:01,920
I trust Boeing to kill you in
the air that definitely any any
780
00:43:01,920 –> 00:43:04,520
plane involved with the death.
I trust Boeing to be involved.
781
00:43:04,680 –> 00:43:10,000
Yeah, that is so alarming when
you take it into context with
782
00:43:10,160 –> 00:43:15,400
Trump wanting to rollback so
many regulations and whatnot on
783
00:43:15,480 –> 00:43:18,680
businesses.
Like that’s not going going to
784
00:43:18,680 –> 00:43:21,720
get better once we roll all that
shit back.
785
00:43:21,720 –> 00:43:24,880
Like it’s just going to be more
people dying in plane crashes,
786
00:43:25,200 –> 00:43:28,600
but America can’t keep everyone
in the sky, you know?
787
00:43:29,160 –> 00:43:30,680
Did you hear that quote from
Trump?
788
00:43:30,840 –> 00:43:32,880
America can’t give everyone
trials.
789
00:43:32,880 –> 00:43:37,560
It’s America’s whole fucking
brand, dude.
790
00:43:37,560 –> 00:43:40,920
We’re so cooked.
That was you’re right, man.
791
00:43:40,920 –> 00:43:43,520
That was the brand for a long
time was like, at least you get
792
00:43:43,520 –> 00:43:45,000
a trial.
Might be fucked up, might be
793
00:43:45,000 –> 00:43:46,760
unfair, but you get a shot.
Well, listen.
794
00:43:47,160 –> 00:43:49,680
Here’s the thing.
After we’re done with all of the
795
00:43:50,040 –> 00:43:54,160
torture camp coverage, we’re
going to start talking about the
796
00:43:54,280 –> 00:43:58,440
much less publicized but way
more interesting RFK
797
00:43:58,600 –> 00:44:02,520
assassination files, which were
also just recently released.
798
00:44:03,560 –> 00:44:09,040
Oh, and there are so many parts
in there where be it the public
799
00:44:09,040 –> 00:44:13,400
writing letters or other
government officials sending
800
00:44:13,400 –> 00:44:16,960
memos, at so many points,
they’re like, all right, but
801
00:44:16,960 –> 00:44:18,920
this guy’s going to get due
process, right.
802
00:44:19,080 –> 00:44:22,120
We’re going to treat him fairly
just, I mean, just cuz he shot
803
00:44:22,120 –> 00:44:25,280
RFK, like we’re going to make
sure this guy gets to a trial
804
00:44:25,280 –> 00:44:27,640
and doesn’t get shot in the
stomach like Jack Ruby.
805
00:44:27,920 –> 00:44:31,720
Like people were legitimately
concerned about there not being
806
00:44:31,720 –> 00:44:35,680
the appearance even that this
guy was being treated badly.
807
00:44:35,680 –> 00:44:38,360
Can you imagine how that would
go Now?
808
00:44:38,440 –> 00:44:41,760
Steve Bannon would beat that guy
to death on TV or something.
809
00:44:41,760 –> 00:44:43,480
That’s how that trial would
work.
810
00:44:44,160 –> 00:44:46,240
Crazy.
Steve Bannon would beat that guy
811
00:44:46,240 –> 00:44:51,000
to for about 40 for about 14
seconds before he like peeled
812
00:44:51,000 –> 00:44:52,600
over and threw up from
exhaustion.
813
00:44:52,760 –> 00:44:55,920
Probably, Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, the smoker’s fatigue.
814
00:44:56,200 –> 00:44:59,440
Yeah, I don’t know if he smokes,
but he’s got big smokes energy.
815
00:44:59,600 –> 00:45:01,600
He’s got big drinks, energy for
sure.
816
00:45:01,640 –> 00:45:04,960
He’s got that rosy drinker face.
Irish face.
817
00:45:05,000 –> 00:45:08,000
Yep.
So the other thing about
818
00:45:08,240 –> 00:45:11,760
Jefferson Data Plan, they were
the subject of a lawsuit filed
819
00:45:11,760 –> 00:45:15,120
by the ACLU on behalf of five
men who were subjected to
820
00:45:15,120 –> 00:45:17,800
extraordinary rendition, with
one of them being the
821
00:45:17,800 –> 00:45:21,800
aforementioned Binyam Muhammad.
Suit claimed that Jefferson Data
822
00:45:21,800 –> 00:45:25,840
Plan provided support for at
least 70 extraordinary rendition
823
00:45:25,840 –> 00:45:28,960
flights where prisoners were
transported to other countries
824
00:45:29,040 –> 00:45:32,120
and subjected torture.
Case was eventually thrown out
825
00:45:32,280 –> 00:45:35,560
on the grounds that letting it
go forward would reveal state
826
00:45:35,560 –> 00:45:39,120
secrets.
God, that’s a convenient get out
827
00:45:39,120 –> 00:45:40,880
of jail free card for the
government.
828
00:45:41,200 –> 00:45:43,760
Did you just keep that in your
control C when you’re writing
829
00:45:43,760 –> 00:45:46,120
these notes so you could just
control V whenever you needed?
830
00:45:46,960 –> 00:45:49,760
That is so crazy that they can
just do that.
831
00:45:49,760 –> 00:45:54,360
And in this case it was close.
It was like a six to five vote
832
00:45:54,480 –> 00:45:59,600
that got this case thrown out.
So let’s go through a few facts
833
00:45:59,760 –> 00:46:03,000
about extraordinary rendition
before we get out of here.
834
00:46:03,200 –> 00:46:08,760
In all, at least 136 individuals
were reportedly subjected to
835
00:46:08,920 –> 00:46:12,480
extraordinary rendition or
secretly detained by the CIA.
836
00:46:12,640 –> 00:46:16,600
At least 54 governments
participated in the program.
837
00:46:16,800 –> 00:46:19,880
CI, as Office of Inspector
General has reportedly
838
00:46:19,880 –> 00:46:23,760
investigated a number of
erroneous renditions.
839
00:46:23,920 –> 00:46:28,160
Another great name for a really
funktacular band from the 1970s.
840
00:46:28,200 –> 00:46:32,080
Erroneous renditions.
Or at least an album.
841
00:46:32,160 –> 00:46:34,320
Yeah, like a Thelonious Monk
record or something.
842
00:46:34,320 –> 00:46:38,640
Yeah, that’d be great.
In November 2002, a man named
843
00:46:38,640 –> 00:46:43,840
Gul Ramen froze to death in the
Salt Pit after a CIA case
844
00:46:43,840 –> 00:46:46,800
officer ordered him to be
stripped naked and chained to
845
00:46:46,800 –> 00:46:50,360
the floor in a cell overnight.
I’m really glad I didn’t make
846
00:46:50,360 –> 00:46:53,120
the Fallout joke I was going to
make about a guy named Ghoul.
847
00:46:54,680 –> 00:47:00,600
A woman named Fatima Bouchard
was abused by the CIA and people
848
00:47:00,600 –> 00:47:05,000
believed to be Thai authorities
at the Bangkok airport after
849
00:47:05,000 –> 00:47:07,680
being accused of being a
terrorist claims she was chained
850
00:47:07,680 –> 00:47:10,960
to a wall and not fed for five
days.
851
00:47:11,320 –> 00:47:14,680
Left out in important detail,
she was 4 1/2 months pregnant at
852
00:47:14,680 –> 00:47:14,960
the.
Time.
853
00:47:14,960 –> 00:47:16,920
Oh my God.
What the?
854
00:47:17,360 –> 00:47:20,920
Fuck.
An Italian court at one point
855
00:47:20,920 –> 00:47:26,440
convicted 22 CIA agents and an
Air Force pilot in absentia for
856
00:47:26,440 –> 00:47:30,200
their roles in the case of Abu
Omar, who was snatched off the
857
00:47:30,200 –> 00:47:34,000
street in Italy, shipped to
Egypt and detained and tortured
858
00:47:34,320 –> 00:47:37,240
for 14 months.
But good news, everybody.
859
00:47:37,400 –> 00:47:41,880
President Obama issued an
executive order in 2009 that
860
00:47:41,880 –> 00:47:46,680
repudiated the use of torture by
American intelligence agencies.
861
00:47:47,560 –> 00:47:50,000
Yay.
But it was specifically written
862
00:47:50,000 –> 00:47:53,400
in a way that preserved the
CIA’s authority to use
863
00:47:53,440 –> 00:47:56,880
extraordinary rendition tactics.
Nay.
864
00:47:57,960 –> 00:48:00,760
So he scolded them but did
nothing.
865
00:48:01,280 –> 00:48:04,640
It was kind of like he was
saying like, don’t do it in my
866
00:48:04,640 –> 00:48:08,240
face.
Yeah, like be fucking if you’re
867
00:48:08,240 –> 00:48:10,040
going to be drink, be chill
about it.
868
00:48:10,040 –> 00:48:12,680
Like handle your shit.
Yeah, it’s like we don’t torture
869
00:48:12,960 –> 00:48:15,600
here.
Right, I’ve never seen it
870
00:48:15,920 –> 00:48:17,680
anyway.
Not better not see it.
871
00:48:19,840 –> 00:48:22,440
It does seem like that was kind
of the the thing he was like,
872
00:48:22,440 –> 00:48:25,480
no, we don’t do it, but just
because I told him not to tell
873
00:48:25,480 –> 00:48:26,560
me anymore.
Yeah.
874
00:48:26,840 –> 00:48:29,880
So the Senate Select
Intelligence Committee
875
00:48:29,880 –> 00:48:33,960
eventually completed 1/6 1000
page report.
876
00:48:33,960 –> 00:48:36,240
It was called Barack Obama and
the Winds of Winter.
877
00:48:38,240 –> 00:48:41,840
That report obviously had way
more details about the CIA’s
878
00:48:41,880 –> 00:48:45,720
extraordinary rendition program,
but it has never been fully
879
00:48:45,720 –> 00:48:50,840
released.
In December 2014, a 525 page
880
00:48:50,840 –> 00:48:54,920
portion of the report was
published, but the rest of the
881
00:48:54,920 –> 00:48:59,240
report remains classified.
Dropped the 5500 pages fuckers.
882
00:48:59,560 –> 00:49:02,440
I want that.
So yeah, that’s extraordinary
883
00:49:02,440 –> 00:49:05,120
rendition.
Thankfully, that dark chapter in
884
00:49:05,120 –> 00:49:07,480
American history is over, and
we’re not snatching people up
885
00:49:07,480 –> 00:49:09,880
off the streets and flying them
to strange prisons and other
886
00:49:09,880 –> 00:49:11,920
lands anymore.
Right Trump.
887
00:49:14,040 –> 00:49:16,400
Well, we’re actually, we did
start doing that again with all
888
00:49:16,400 –> 00:49:18,560
the money we saved on not having
trials.
889
00:49:18,880 –> 00:49:20,320
Oh, that’s true.
Yeah, that’s true.
890
00:49:20,600 –> 00:49:22,520
Yeah.
Now you can just get snatched up
891
00:49:22,520 –> 00:49:25,040
off the street and taken to El
Salvador for vacation.
892
00:49:25,160 –> 00:49:26,720
They’ll fly you back.
It’s great.
893
00:49:26,720 –> 00:49:30,560
It’s called a Doge trip.
I’m reminded by of the immortal
894
00:49:30,560 –> 00:49:32,440
words of an early Internet
celebrity.
895
00:49:32,800 –> 00:49:36,520
Hide your kids, hide your wife.
I mean, it’s snatching.
896
00:49:36,560 –> 00:49:39,480
Everybody out here.
Hiding from the doge bags.
897
00:49:39,760 –> 00:49:45,400
So I think that is our episode.
Connor, Corey, thank you both
898
00:49:45,400 –> 00:49:48,320
for doing pod.
What do we have to plug before
899
00:49:48,320 –> 00:49:50,120
we get out of here?
I would like everyone to follow
900
00:49:50,120 –> 00:49:53,440
me on Blue sky Adam Todd, brown
dot B sky dot social.
901
00:49:53,440 –> 00:49:57,280
That’s Todd with 1D and that’s
all I got for right now.
902
00:49:57,280 –> 00:50:00,320
But there will be some new
podcasts and things coming soon
903
00:50:00,480 –> 00:50:02,600
that I’ll be announcing.
Corey, what do you want to?
904
00:50:03,200 –> 00:50:04,400
Plug.
I had to look up my blue sky.
905
00:50:06,280 –> 00:50:08,320
Let’s look up Corey Showtime at
blue sky.
906
00:50:08,320 –> 00:50:12,080
And so that way I have an excuse
to use yet another social media
907
00:50:12,080 –> 00:50:14,680
platform.
I’m also going to be doing a
908
00:50:14,680 –> 00:50:19,720
bunch of shows in the in the
Midwest on the Joker’s and
909
00:50:19,720 –> 00:50:21,400
gesture comedy tour.
Look that up.
910
00:50:21,400 –> 00:50:22,720
I can’t tell you where I’m going
to be.
911
00:50:22,720 –> 00:50:25,200
It’s surprise being black bagged
in the comedy.
912
00:50:25,640 –> 00:50:28,720
And yeah, I’ll be at the
Houston.
913
00:50:29,560 –> 00:50:32,560
Let’s see, I’ll be at the, I’ll
be at the Sacramento punchline
914
00:50:32,560 –> 00:50:35,680
May 15th through the 17th.
I’ll be at the Houston punchline
915
00:50:35,680 –> 00:50:40,000
June 12th through the 14th and I
will be at the Philly punchline
916
00:50:40,000 –> 00:50:41,000
on on June 18th.
Thanks.
917
00:50:42,640 –> 00:50:44,880
Connor, what do you want to?
Play check out my comedy special
918
00:50:44,880 –> 00:50:49,360
on YouTube, Very funny and my
listen to the Me Voice podcast
919
00:50:49,360 –> 00:50:52,560
The Cavalcade of Comedy Fun.
And I think that’s it.
920
00:50:52,560 –> 00:50:54,960
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Corey, say goodbye.
921
00:50:55,160 –> 00:50:57,800
Peace out Joe Good luck.
Connor, say goodbye.
922
00:50:58,200 –> 00:51:02,320
Bag van clothes.
Goodbye everybody, we love you.