Conspiracy! The Show 338: The RFK Assassination Files Pt. 2: Who Is Crispin Curiel Gonzalez?

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown

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joining as Co host.
Oh, my favorite Co host of all.

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No Co host, but I do have a
guest who is my Co host on

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another podcast.
Kim Krawl is here.

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How’s it going?
Good.

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How are you?
I am doing so good.

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Kim is my Co host on a podcast
called You Don’t Even Like

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Documentaries that is behind a
paywall now but it’s going to be

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going public soon and you should
check that shit out when it

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does.
But Kim’s also been on

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Conspiracy the show before.
You all know that.

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Yeah, I one time you let me run
one and and you debunked my

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theory in 7 minutes and I was
like, well that’s all I have for

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the day.
Well, yeah, because wasn’t a lot

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of your Paul is Dead theory
based on that Netflix audio

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recording of George Harrison
being like Paul and Paul died?

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Part of it was that, but the
other part was a lot of my

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theory was based on Sergeant
Pepper lonely hearts Club Anne.

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Sure, sure, sure.
The album cover.

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So most of my proof is from
that.

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And then also, and then I also
said the reason why I think he

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might not be dead is because I
don’t think he could write Paul

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like Paul McCartney.
First of all, Paul McCartney #1

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like Paul McCartney number 2 has
been Paul McCartney longer than

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Paul McCartney #1 is.
So technically he’s also he’s

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Paul McCartney now.
But I don’t think he could have

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written such a hauntingly
beautiful song about John Lennon

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if he was really Billy Shears,
the orphan from Scotland.

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Sure, maybe.
I hate that we bring this up

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every time.
By we I mean I do.

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It’s sort of appropriate because
we’re talking about something

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from that era.
That is true.

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We are once again talking about
the RFK assassination files, My

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favorite thing on the Internet
right now?

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A whole goddamn slew of files
related to the assassination of

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Senator Robert F Kennedy were
released recently.

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I’ve been reading them.
Arguably the only good thing

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Trump’s done since taking office
and I feel like this is the

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point.
It’s so conspiracy types are

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talking about this shit and not
Trump.

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Kim, how familiar are you with
the RFK assassination?

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None 3.
Like, not at all.

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Do you know who killed him?
Not until today.

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Who allegedly killed him?
Yeah.

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Everything I know about him is I
knew he died, I know he was

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assassinated.
I knew he was a senator.

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Obviously I knew he was a
Kennedy.

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Everything I know about him and
JF KS death is that they got too

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close and we’re too close to
this, You know, the civil rights

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movement and caring about that
stuff.

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And a lot of the theories I’ve
always heard is that they were

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taken out because they were on
MLK side.

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That’s all I’ve ever really
looked into it.

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And and honestly, we weren’t
taught about RFK that much.

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Like, JFK was a huge thing we
learned, but RFK, Colorado, they

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were like, it’s not senator
here.

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Yeah.
I mean, RFK is kind of most

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famous for getting shot because
he was just, he was, I mean, not

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just a senator, but he was a
senator when he got the

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Democratic nomination.
And then he got shot immediately

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after getting the Democratic
nomination.

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Like for president?
Yeah.

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Oh man, I didn’t know that.
He gave the speech accepting the

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nomination, walked off stage and
got shot in the kitchen of a

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hotel.
Who?

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Ended up getting the Democratic
nod after that.

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Sorry, now I’m like thinking
about it does not matter.

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I don’t remember, but Nixon
would have been.

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Was the next president.
Next.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wild.

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His assassination I think is way
more interesting than JFK, for

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one.
It just gets talked about way

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less.
But it’s also the one that is

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there’s obviously way more to it
than what anyone was told

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because of things like Sir Han.
Sir Han’s gun I think held 8

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bullets and there were 12
bullets found in the kitchen, so

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someone else was shooting there.
There is also a old Timey

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History channel or A&E
documentary that you can still

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find on YouTube.
But in a scene in that this cop

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is asking a witness about Sir
Han, Sir Han and where he was

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shooting.
And this witness is like, well,

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he was about the same distance
you are from me, and he was just

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shooting straight at Kennedy.
And this cop is trying to get

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this guy to say that he got
closer to Robert Kennedy at some

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point and he never does.
And the reason that cop wanted

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him to say Sir Han, Sir Han got
closer.

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The shot that killed Robert
Kennedy was point blank range

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behind his ear.
That is like known to history

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now that he was hit.
And point blank means the gun is

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basically touching your head.
Meanwhile, no witnesses ever

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have Sir Han, Sir Han getting
that close to Kennedy to shoot

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him behind the head.
So who shot him?

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Who shot him?
That is the question.

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And I mean, Sirhan Sirhan is who
history has blamed, but seems

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like there’s a little more to it
than that.

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Yeah.
On the first of these episodes,

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we talked about a witness who
was at the scene named Sandy

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Serrano.
She’s a very interesting figure

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in the RFK assassination.
She worked for the Kennedy

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campaign in some capacity.
So she was there the night he

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got shot and she had gone
outside while he was giving his

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speech or like shortly after,
something like that.

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Just to like or no, he had, I
don’t think he had given his

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speech yet.
And she goes outside to get some

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air or whatever smoke.
It was the same thing in the

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60s.
And she sees a woman in a polka

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dot dress accompanied by three
men walk into this hotel where

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RFK was shot.
And then about 20 minutes later,

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she hears what sound like
gunshots.

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And then that woman comes
running back out with two men

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now yelling, we shot him, We
shot him.

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And Sandy Serrano says, you shot
who?

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And the woman says, Senator
Kennedy, if you listen to the

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episode, it’s all in the files
that were released.

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But the police eventually got
Sandy Serrano to recant her

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story.
And in these files, there are

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police notes about them
interviewing her.

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And you can tell they kind of
coerce her into saying she

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didn’t really hear or see what
she saw.

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Because by the end, she’s like,
you’re messing with me.

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I think you’re lying to me.
Like, at one point they want her

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to re enact what she saw.
And she’s like, I’ll do it if

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someone not related to this
investigation is here, but

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you’re just trying to get me to
say I didn’t see what I actually

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saw.
I didn’t see him.

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And eventually she does.
Eventually she recants.

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And what’s crazy is there was a
hotel worker too, who also

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reported seeing a woman in a
polka dot dress next to Sir Han.

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Sir Han when he started
shooting.

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And they eventually get that guy
to recant too.

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And it’s like, so two people who
had no relationship to each

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other just independently came up
with the same fucking lie and

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then candidate later.
And also a really specific one

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too, not like because they say,
you know, eyewitness accounts it

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there’s like a low percentage
that you can actually trust it

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because people, you know, And
then there’s always like

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conflicting stories of different
eyewitness accounts of like,

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actually, I saw this, I saw
this, but two people who don’t

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know each other and a polka dot
dress and two men.

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That’s very specific.
Yeah, that why?

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What’s the cut like?
Because who fucking killed him?

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Like who up top wanted RFK to be
dead?

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Oh, I mean, I think you would be
onto something with the civil

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rights.
Civil, right?

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That’s, I mean, that’s what I’ve
always read is just that those

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two were really cared about.
Well, I don’t think it’s just

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those two.
I think like that’s kind of an

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Occam’s Razor situation where
why were all of these

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high-ranking civil rights
figures getting assassinated in

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the 60s?
It’s like civil rights.

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Civil rights.
They didn’t.

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Yeah.
They were pushing for civil

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rights, yeah.
It’s that, it’s obviously that.

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And I think Robert F Kennedy
was, was he the last?

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I don’t know.
I think some of the Black

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Panther murders might have been
after Robert F Kennedy.

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But.
When was MLK assassinated?

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What year 66?
No.

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Was that the same years?
Yes, it was.

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It was a couple.
It was 68 I believe.

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I think it was what year?
What when?

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I think it was like weeks.
I think when was.

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Yeah, April 4th, 68.
So it was almost exactly one

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month before Robert F or two
months because Kennedy got

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killed June 5th, 1968.
So yeah, he was a couple months

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after MLK.
Jesus Christ.

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And the thing about the girl in
the polka dot dress, she’s going

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to come up again in this because
I found something in this next

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batch of files we’re going to
talk about that is really

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interesting when it comes to the
girl in the polka dot dress

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theory and how the police
treated it.

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But before we get there, let’s
talk about Crispin Curiel

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Gonzalez.
There is a file that I came

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across when I was first looking
at these.

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What’s interesting about these
files is you’ll get into a

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batch.
They’re usually 50 pages each

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and you get into a batch and
it’ll seem like it’s just like

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letters from concerned citizens
or just multiple copies of the

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same police report.
And then there will just be like

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1 stray page in the middle
that’s like completely out of

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context.
Seems like it’s not related to

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anything.
And in this case, I found this

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file that was just about a kid
named Crispin Curio Gonzalez,

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and it talks about how he was
admitted to a psychiatric

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facility in Mexico and then hung
himself.

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No other context, just that
file.

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So I was like OK, well who the
fuck is this kid?

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And why is this in here?
Yeah.

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Yeah, and Sandy Serrano, if you
Google her, to this day a lot of

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shit comes up in relation to
RFK.

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And I think it’s because she
managed to sit down for ATV

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interview like an hour after he
was killed.

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So there was no unringing that
bell.

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Like her story was out.
So they were never going to hide

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her from anyone.
But this kid, if you Google him,

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the only thing that comes up is
like government files.

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There’s a couple like I clicked
on one thing that looked like it

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was an academic paper and I got
like a virus warning which.

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Jesus.
But I’m sure the virus is

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probably access to information.
I googled him before I started

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reading on just because I like
to do that when I look at your

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the notes, right?
And I didn’t write RFKI, just

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wrote his name.
And the first thing that came up

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is that, oh, he’s an artist and
he does ceramics and he blah,

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blah, blah.
And I was like, that can’t be

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right.
So then I wrote his whole full

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name and then RFK and it then I
got like still very little

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information, but there was
still, it was all about the

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yeah, like a couple of articles
that I and I think one of them

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you sent.
Yeah, one of them.

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You sent the top one.
Most of what comes up is these

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RFK files when you Google it O
it seems like this name is not

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one that’s been super duper tied
to the RFK assassination U to

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this point.
And that’s really interesting

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because this kid was a big deal
when it came to the RFK

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assassination for at least a
couple weeks after it happened.

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The filing question here, and
I’ll link to all of these in the

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show notes.
The filing question, it’s dated

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July 5th, 1968, so it’s right
around a month after RFK was

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killed.
And it’s only one page, so I’m

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going to read it all.
Sorry about that.

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And I will be quiet during it.
It starts, it just says Crispin

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Curio Gonzalez, also known as
Alejandro Zaldovsky Zamora,

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which that’s super interesting
for a minor.

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It’s an odd yeah yeah to have an
alias.

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All right, here we go.
And this is a little long, but

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you’ll get it.
On July 1st, 1968, Norberto

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Salinas, Navarrette Federal
District Attorney, Juarez,

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Mexico, advised that Curiel had
been found to be psychotic, and

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on receipt of specific
instructions from Mexico City,

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Curiel had been interned at the
General Hospital for the Insane,

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Juarez, Mexico.
Salinas noted he had made a

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recommendation that Curiel be
sent to another institution more

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adequately equipped to handle
juveniles, and he was advised

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that any decision in this regard
would necessarily have to be

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made by the administrator of the
hospital.

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This next part’s really
interesting.

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Salinas recalled that Curiel, on
realizing what he had done by

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attracting so much attention to
himself, openly admitted the

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entire story was a hoax, and he
readily criticized newspaper

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reporters, administration
officials, and police officers

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for being so gullible as to
believe this fantastic story.

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On July 5th, 1968, Salinas
advised that Curiel, while in

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solitary confinement at the
General Hospital for the Insane,

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had put together a rope from the
mattress material located in his

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room and he hung himself.
He was discovered dead at

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approximately 7:45 PM on the
evening of July 4th, 1968 by an

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attendant of the hospital.
So that’s weird.

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Super weird.
Especially with it just being in

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the middle of an RFK
assassination dump of files.

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Because there’s no, there’s
barely any mention like the

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story I assume is the J, the RFK
story that he like, that’s the

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fantastical story.
That he was like, that’s that’s

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what I found so interesting is
they don’t say what the story.

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Is.
Yes, they just say, well, this

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kid told a fantastical story and
he apologized, Then he committed

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suicide.
And again, I found this all by

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itself.
I was especially intrigued by

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that part about his story.
And what’s really grim about

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that previous file, aside from
it being an account of juvenile

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suicide obviously, is the date
July 5th, 1968.

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So that’s like a month after. 30
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RFK was killed.
The next file that I’ll link to

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in the show notes and where this
next bit of information comes

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from is between those two
points.

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It’s like almost halfway between
June 5th and July 5th, and it

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has a ton of information about
Crispin Curio Gonzalez, so the

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FBI was interested enough to
compile a ton of information on

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this kid.
Before it gets there, though,

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there’s this checklist that I
thought was really interesting

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because it is a thing that is
obviously meant to indicate why

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the government is spying on
whatever person, not just this

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kid.
And it has all these boxes that

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you can check as reasons why you
might surveil a person.

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And they go from like, really
specific, like has attempted or

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threatened bodily harm to any
government official, has

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attempted or threatened to
redress a grievance against any

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public official by other than
legal means.

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And then as they go on, they
just get more and more vague and

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broad to the point where it’s
like prior acts or conduct or

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statements indicating A
propensity for violence or

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antipathy toward good order and
government.

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So just say anything bad about
the government and they might.

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Look, we can just monitor you,
all right?

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We, we, we have this checklist
and it’s very broad, so we can

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just monitor whoever we want,
but we have a checklist so and

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legal.
For Crispin Curio Gonzalez, his

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box is under the heading
Subversives, ultra rightists,

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racists and Fascists who meet
one or more of the following

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criteria.
And it’s like, since when do we

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hate racists and fascists?
That’s kind of what we whole

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thing was built on.
And the box that’s checked for

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him is evidence of emotional
instability or irrational or

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suicidal behavior.
So we had him clocked as being

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suicidal before he committed
suicide as a government.

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I also let me ask you a question
like because you he’s not really

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in the files except for this
random thing.

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Well, he comes up again in the
files.

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This.
Yeah.

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But I mean, like if this the
beginning, I mean at the

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beginning where it’s like, oh,
this just random article is in

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here.
Yeah, it’s it.

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I mean, I guess there’s it’s
just really weird because it is

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like, yeah, lots of people fall
under that category.

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Are they monitoring all of them
or why are they monitoring this?

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Like random kid who’s like in
like a 16 year old kid?

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Like why?
Yeah, I know that’s a point

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you’re making, but it’s super
weird.

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Yeah, and that’s what, you know,
got me going down the rabbit

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hole looking this kid up.
And what’s very convenient is if

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you Google his name and RFK,
more files from this drop of RFK

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files comes up.
So that was helpful.

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And this next one I found when I
in that Google search, it starts

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in October 1967 with him being
arrested essentially for being

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homeless without parental
supervision.

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And at that point, you like,
become a ward of the state.

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And he’s arrested in 1967.
And I’m assuming the FBI is

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hearing this way after the fact.
Like, now looking into this kid,

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I don’t think they had a file on
him in 1967, but he interacted

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with law enforcement in 1967.
He gets taken into custody.

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He tells the cops he’s from
Bolivia and that he left there

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three weeks ago, but then later
tells him he’s from Colima,

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Mexico.
He said his parents left Mexico

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for LA and left him behind.
So he stole 800 pesos to make

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his own way to Los Angeles.
And I feel like I should point

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out when I call this guy a kid
because he is essentially a kid.

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I mean, he’s 16.
And that was different in 1967.

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By 16, you were thinking about
getting married and having kids.

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Oh yeah, if you didn’t have a
sweetheart to have a baby with

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in a few years.
You were troublemaker, yeah.

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You were behind in a
troublemaker, Yeah.

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Yeah, you were probably lining
up the factory job you were

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going to have for life.
That would be enough to buy you

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a house.
Very different time.

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Such A and it’s funny because,
like, could you see pictures of

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kids back then?
They look like they’re 30.

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Like kids now look like they’re
children.

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And now kids back then.
It’s like, why is that mom and

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dad going to that high school
prom?

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Like, why?
Yeah, they were like adults.

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Because mom and dad’s life
expectancy was 55 back then.

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Yeah, they only had a couple
more years.

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They had like 2 decades left.
They got a.

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Their your good years were over
by 25 back then but in fairness

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just because everyone smoked so.
And like a lot.

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I think.
I do think it’s the combination

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of smoking and people being
outside more back in the day is

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what makes people look older
back then.

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Oh yeah, because nobody really
wore sunscreen either, because

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that wasn’t really a like a
pushed.

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Yeah, it was like, if you’re
going to swimming, yeah, then

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you put on if you’re going to
the beach.

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But if you’re just out in
regular work sun, that’s

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different.
That’s not ocean sun.

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That doesn’t give you cancer,
Science said.

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I wonder what we’re doing now
that in 30 years they’re going

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to be like these fuckers were.
Vaping, probably.

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Oh yeah, definitely vaping.
I don’t vape so I don’t.

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I’ve always forget about but
definitely vaping.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So anyway, from here he has

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declared a ward of the state and
bounces around a couple MK

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ultrasounding boys homes in LA.
One is called Boys Oasis and the

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other is called the goddamn
Manhattan Project residence.

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Yeah, that’s wild.
Like I’m joking when I say MK

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ultrasounding, but this is
196768.

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That is the heart of MK Ultra.
Shit, in California, that’s when

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we were fucking handing out
acid.

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In San Francisco, the CIA was
running brothels as part of MK

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Ultra.
Like a lot of shit that was very

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weird was happening in LA at
this time.

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So the fact that he ended up in
a place called the Manhattan

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Project Residence, I don’t know,
it seems weird to me, especially

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for an assassination where so
much of it, the theories are

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centered around that exact
thing.

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MK Ultra type mind control.
Shit, we host a documentary

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podcast.
We can’t cover it because I

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covered it on this pod, but you
should watch watch a documentary

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called Darren Brown the
Assassin.

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Darren Brown does these like
psychological experiments where

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he like tries to get people to
do stuff.

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And one of the theories about
Sir Han, Sir Han is that he was

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essentially hypnotized by
whoever these people that he was

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seen with in the days before the
assassination.

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He was essentially hypnotized to
shoot Bobby Kennedy once he got

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a certain signal.
Darren Brown attempted to

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recreate that.
He got access to a guy enough

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that he could, like, do all the
things they suggest might have

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been done to program someone to
commit an assassination.

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And it worked.
He got this guy to stand up and

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fire blank rounds at ATV host
during the fucking TV show.

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Jesus Christ, what were the
things that worked?

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Well, that I mean, I don’t
remember all that it’s.

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That’s wild.
Like.

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A very long TV show, but.
Jesus.

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And our brain is so malleable.
Like, that’s just like, it’s

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like, scary how malleable our
brains are.

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And that’s all what MK Ultra
was.

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A big aspect of MK Ultra and the
scary part about this, the

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Doctor Who invented it, his name
is Doctor Ewan Cameron.

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He later became the 1st
president of the American

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Psychiatric Association, the
Canadian Psychiatric Association

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and the World Psychiatric
Association.

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And he was probably the biggest
MK Ultra doctor and one of his

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biggest achievements I guess was
called psychic driving.

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And all he would do is put
someone in a drug induced coma

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and just play tape loops of like
suggestions to see if he could

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plant suggestions in people’s
heads and get them to do shit.

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And we pumped money into this
for like decades.

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So something was coming from it.
I mean, I get I know the

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government wastes money blah
blah blah.

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It’s a different time for one
thing.

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And also we pump all this money
into these mind control type

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experiments and then what
happens next?

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All of these high level civil
rights leaders.

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Leaders.
Get killed in very weird MK

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Ultra fashion.
In very weird conspiracy, the

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person who went to prison or
shot for it afterwards, like

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definitely did not do this
right, or did but had a full

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thousands of stories behind it
as to why.

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Yeah that makes zero sense.
Jesus.

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We could have just lived our
lives like the beginning of

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human history.
We all could just be like

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swimming in the ocean and eating
fruit, you know what I mean?

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Like what?
Like who is like, I would like

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to be a part of the project that
yeah, sorry, I just the more you

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talk about this MK Ultra stuff,
the more I’m afraid of it, want

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to learn more about it and I’m
afraid of it.

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Pretty wild.
I think Jonestown was the

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culmination of MK Ultra, but
that’s a whole other 10 episodes

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I’ve already done.
So I haven’t found a lot of

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stuff about Boys Oasis or the
Manhattan Project residence, but

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I’m going to look into that shit
more because I’m interested to

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see what kind of names are
attached to that and if there’s

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any government leanings to them.
The Manhattan Project residents,

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they give the fucking address in
these files and I’m not going to

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share it here because it’s just
a house now.

438
00:25:14,160 –> 00:25:17,480
Like it’s just, it’s on Van Ness
Ave. in LA.

439
00:25:17,520 –> 00:25:20,760
It’s just a fucking residential.
Should drive by it.

440
00:25:21,120 –> 00:25:24,320
I mean, I can drive by it on
Google Maps.

441
00:25:24,560 –> 00:25:27,600
All right, I just thought it’d
be a fun field trip for us.

442
00:25:27,680 –> 00:25:29,000
I don’t think it would be that
fun.

443
00:25:29,280 –> 00:25:31,520
LA traffic woo.
You’re right.

444
00:25:31,520 –> 00:25:33,480
And then we’d get to the house
and then we’d be like.

445
00:25:33,920 –> 00:25:35,680
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it’s house all right.

446
00:25:35,880 –> 00:25:38,120
Yeah.
I also, by the way, Googled both

447
00:25:38,120 –> 00:25:41,800
of these places, boys, Oasis and
Manhattan Project resident.

448
00:25:41,800 –> 00:25:46,520
There’s not like I, I, I know if
you do like a deep, deep dive,

449
00:25:46,560 –> 00:25:48,920
you would find something, but I
just like a yeah.

450
00:25:49,240 –> 00:25:52,480
Yeah, I’ll find stuff.
So Crispin.

451
00:25:52,640 –> 00:25:58,000
He ends up running away from the
Manhattan Project residence,

452
00:25:58,000 –> 00:26:00,280
which Who wouldn’t?
Understand.

453
00:26:00,480 –> 00:26:06,520
And he just kind of goes missing
from May 21st, 1968 until June

454
00:26:06,520 –> 00:26:10,160
17th, 1968.
So a couple weeks after the

455
00:26:10,160 –> 00:26:15,080
assassination, he shows back up
in the form of a phone call to a

456
00:26:15,120 –> 00:26:18,480
probation officer.
And he was in El Paso at the

457
00:26:18,480 –> 00:26:21,440
time and wanted to know what
would happen if he returned to

458
00:26:21,440 –> 00:26:23,520
LA.
And he was told he’d probably be

459
00:26:23,520 –> 00:26:26,280
arrested because there was a
warrant out for his arrest on

460
00:26:26,280 –> 00:26:29,560
account of him being a runaway.
And he then tells this probation

461
00:26:29,560 –> 00:26:33,280
officer that he is involved in
international narcotics

462
00:26:33,280 –> 00:26:38,240
smuggling between El Paso and
Mexico and that he’s going to be

463
00:26:38,240 –> 00:26:41,840
in LA within six hours.
And this guy never hears from

464
00:26:41,840 –> 00:26:44,960
him again.
But also, the same probation

465
00:26:44,960 –> 00:26:48,360
officer describes Gonzales as
having been suicidal in the

466
00:26:48,360 –> 00:26:51,640
past, said he attempted it twice
at the Manhattan Project

467
00:26:51,640 –> 00:26:55,960
residence and that he’s immature
and will do anything to get

468
00:26:55,960 –> 00:26:57,840
attention.
And I saw that.

469
00:26:57,840 –> 00:27:00,720
And I was like, anything, huh?
Like, team up with a couple

470
00:27:00,720 –> 00:27:03,720
strangers to shoot a
presidential candidate, maybe.

471
00:27:03,880 –> 00:27:06,360
Well, I mean, also that makes
sense.

472
00:27:06,600 –> 00:27:09,920
Not that not, but I mean, like
in terms of like a kids psyche,

473
00:27:09,920 –> 00:27:12,880
like, yeah, his parents just
sort of abandoned him and like,

474
00:27:12,880 –> 00:27:15,480
we’re gonna go to America, see
around kid.

475
00:27:15,480 –> 00:27:17,240
Yeah.
You know, like, of course he’s

476
00:27:17,480 –> 00:27:19,880
seeking.
He’s very, you know, easily

477
00:27:19,880 –> 00:27:23,200
impressionable.
But like, yeah, a lot of kids do

478
00:27:23,200 –> 00:27:25,480
things for attention.
They don’t team up with a bunch

479
00:27:25,480 –> 00:27:29,280
of assassins and.
Yeah, kill a future president.

480
00:27:29,520 –> 00:27:32,120
And also what’s interesting too,
because when you Google this

481
00:27:32,120 –> 00:27:35,240
kid, going back to your point of
16 is a very different.

482
00:27:35,240 –> 00:27:38,080
If you look at images of this
kid, he’s a man.

483
00:27:38,200 –> 00:27:40,920
He is.
A He’s, yes, a mature 16.

484
00:27:41,600 –> 00:27:44,400
Yeah, he looks like a full blown
30 year old.

485
00:27:44,520 –> 00:27:47,440
Like I like looked at a lot of
pictures and was like, huh.

486
00:27:47,680 –> 00:27:51,360
And that comes up because
they’re in this file.

487
00:27:51,360 –> 00:27:55,920
There’s an interview with a
family friend of Gonzalez, and

488
00:27:56,320 –> 00:27:59,520
he one describes him as a
brilliant young man but

489
00:27:59,520 –> 00:28:02,280
unstable.
He said he speaks fair English

490
00:28:02,280 –> 00:28:06,000
and he appears older than his
actual age, like you just said.

491
00:28:06,880 –> 00:28:08,640
And then it gets really fucking
interesting.

492
00:28:08,800 –> 00:28:13,160
The same family friend says
Gonzalez told him that at one

493
00:28:13,160 –> 00:28:18,080
point he joined a Nazi group in
Mexico against his parents

494
00:28:18,080 –> 00:28:21,720
wishes, fortunately so not a
whole Nazi family and that he

495
00:28:21,720 –> 00:28:26,000
was in, quote, a leadership
capacity and spoke before

496
00:28:26,000 –> 00:28:32,160
audiences of from 200 to 300
people regarding the subject of

497
00:28:32,160 –> 00:28:33,640
Nazism.
What’s?

498
00:28:33,680 –> 00:28:38,720
Confusing to me about that is
just a few pages ago we read

499
00:28:38,720 –> 00:28:41,920
that they’re like he’s very
young and immature for his age.

500
00:28:41,920 –> 00:28:43,680
That sounds like a full blown
adult.

501
00:28:43,680 –> 00:28:48,000
That’s a full blown 30 year old,
but he’s 16, like speaks well

502
00:28:48,000 –> 00:28:51,240
English, is able to speak in
front of hundreds of people, is

503
00:28:51,240 –> 00:28:54,840
articulate enough to like
convince others of Nazism.

504
00:28:54,840 –> 00:28:56,480
You know what I mean?
Not that you know what I mean by

505
00:28:56,480 –> 00:28:59,800
that, but like.
I mean, this family friend, they

506
00:29:00,000 –> 00:29:02,440
straight up ask him, well, do
you believe him?

507
00:29:02,440 –> 00:29:04,360
Like, do you believe what this
kid was saying?

508
00:29:04,360 –> 00:29:08,480
And he was like, Oh yeah, Oh
yeah, he is capable of moving a

509
00:29:08,480 –> 00:29:10,560
crowd talking about some Nazi
shit.

510
00:29:10,720 –> 00:29:13,880
And he said especially in
Mexico, which I get the

511
00:29:13,880 –> 00:29:18,520
impression this kid was like a
kid by the strictest letter of

512
00:29:18,520 –> 00:29:23,000
the law and otherwise was pretty
fucking adult.

513
00:29:23,160 –> 00:29:26,160
Even though they describe him as
having like, see that’s the

514
00:29:26,160 –> 00:29:29,520
thing too.
At one point he’s described as

515
00:29:29,520 –> 00:29:31,960
having like the intellect of a
13 year old.

516
00:29:32,200 –> 00:29:36,000
But then this family friend is
like, no, that kid was fucking

517
00:29:36,000 –> 00:29:37,120
brilliant.
You kidding?

518
00:29:37,120 –> 00:29:42,280
Me, yeah, which also goes to
show his psychopathy.

519
00:29:42,280 –> 00:29:45,480
It’s not the right word.
Like sociopath, miss, not a real

520
00:29:45,480 –> 00:29:49,200
word, but you know what I mean.
Being able to like chameleon and

521
00:29:49,200 –> 00:29:52,320
move in and out of different
groups and be able to be what

522
00:29:52,560 –> 00:29:55,680
like I’m being interviewed by
this, you know, psychiatrist.

523
00:29:55,680 –> 00:29:58,520
I need them to think I’m dumb.
Like that’s like a very like

524
00:29:58,760 –> 00:30:02,160
mimic what they like, very so
sociopath kind of thing.

525
00:30:02,160 –> 00:30:05,760
Mimic what I need to be in this
moment in order to get out of

526
00:30:05,760 –> 00:30:09,640
you what I need.
So likely it’s all just a

527
00:30:10,280 –> 00:30:13,360
sociopath.
This we just made-up.

528
00:30:13,840 –> 00:30:16,160
Sociopathy, something like that.
Sociopath.

529
00:30:16,240 –> 00:30:18,840
Yeah, I like it.
What are we, doctors?

530
00:30:18,880 –> 00:30:21,120
No.
We are no.

531
00:30:21,600 –> 00:30:25,680
So he also tells the same family
friend that he eventually got

532
00:30:25,680 –> 00:30:28,960
disillusioned with Nazism and
decided he liked communism

533
00:30:28,960 –> 00:30:32,560
better and intended to run away
from home and write a book about

534
00:30:32,560 –> 00:30:34,680
it.
He also talked about opposition

535
00:30:34,680 –> 00:30:37,760
to American intervention in
Vietnam and Cuba.

536
00:30:37,960 –> 00:30:40,320
It’s like, oh man, kids say the
darndest things.

537
00:30:40,560 –> 00:30:43,760
Also sounds like a really
unintelligent 13 year old.

538
00:30:43,760 –> 00:30:47,320
It sounds like Like what?
And when I read that sentence,

539
00:30:47,320 –> 00:30:48,360
what?
Read it again.

540
00:30:48,360 –> 00:30:51,920
Where is it?
Disillusioned with Nazism and

541
00:30:51,920 –> 00:30:54,280
decided he liked communism
better.

542
00:30:55,160 –> 00:30:58,360
I was playing dolls at 16 man.
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:30:58,360 –> 00:31:01,640
Secretly in my, you know, the
garage, so no one knew.

544
00:31:01,920 –> 00:31:05,040
That’s the thing, he is
described as a kid, but this kid

545
00:31:05,040 –> 00:31:08,680
seems grown.
And scary.

546
00:31:08,720 –> 00:31:12,480
Like, yeah.
And so that first file about the

547
00:31:12,480 –> 00:31:17,120
suicide, if you recall, has a
very interesting paragraph about

548
00:31:17,160 –> 00:31:21,800
Crispin apologizing for having
made-up such a fantastical tale

549
00:31:21,960 –> 00:31:24,320
and admonishing the media for
believing it.

550
00:31:24,480 –> 00:31:28,200
And what isn’t mentioned in that
file, or the longer file I link

551
00:31:28,200 –> 00:31:31,360
to either, is what his story
was.

552
00:31:31,760 –> 00:31:35,640
And for that, we got to go off
government to the site of a

553
00:31:35,640 –> 00:31:40,560
researcher named Mary Farrell,
who has preserved a whole trove

554
00:31:40,640 –> 00:31:46,400
of LAPD microfilm files related
to the RFK assassination.

555
00:31:46,560 –> 00:31:50,840
And in those files, she has
Crispin’s story.

556
00:31:51,000 –> 00:31:55,040
For starters, when he was
arrested he had a diary in his

557
00:31:55,040 –> 00:31:58,600
possession and it included
entries about a plot to kill

558
00:31:58,600 –> 00:32:02,080
Kennedy.
And again, interesting note, it

559
00:32:02,080 –> 00:32:06,120
was diary entries and writings
found at Sir Han’s residence

560
00:32:06,120 –> 00:32:08,600
that provided the motive for
killing Kennedy.

561
00:32:08,760 –> 00:32:13,400
So again, with that multiple
possible shooters theory, what

562
00:32:13,400 –> 00:32:15,640
are the chances this kid was
going to be one of those

563
00:32:15,640 –> 00:32:18,320
shooters?
And also the girl in the polka

564
00:32:18,320 –> 00:32:21,760
dot dress gets described all the
time and the dudes don’t.

565
00:32:21,880 –> 00:32:23,200
The Dudes.
Also.

566
00:32:23,200 –> 00:32:26,080
It’s just like, yeah, they were
like Mexican or Middle Eastern

567
00:32:26,080 –> 00:32:27,720
or something.
That’s all we know.

568
00:32:28,800 –> 00:32:32,560
So much to unpack there just
with our like American, like, I

569
00:32:32,560 –> 00:32:34,960
don’t know, some brown guys, but
the woman white.

570
00:32:34,960 –> 00:32:38,480
Witnesses like, you know, Middle
Eastern, Mexican, Mediterranean,

571
00:32:38,480 –> 00:32:40,080
something.
Not white.

572
00:32:40,280 –> 00:32:42,800
Yeah, one guy’s like she had a
lot of arm hair.

573
00:32:42,800 –> 00:32:46,360
I think she’s Mediterranean.
Jesus Christ.

574
00:32:47,040 –> 00:32:50,440
But you’re right.
Like it’s like 3 nondescript

575
00:32:50,440 –> 00:32:51,480
men.
Yeah.

576
00:32:51,560 –> 00:32:53,040
And who?
Yeah, the woman.

577
00:32:53,040 –> 00:32:53,960
Yeah.
OK, keep.

578
00:32:54,080 –> 00:32:58,880
Going and this kid also having
writings in his possession that

579
00:32:59,000 –> 00:33:02,960
indicated a plot to kill Kennedy
just like Sir Han Sir Han did.

580
00:33:03,160 –> 00:33:04,560
I have a question.
Yeah.

581
00:33:04,840 –> 00:33:08,280
You want to kill the possible
future president of the United

582
00:33:08,280 –> 00:33:09,480
States?
Say it.

583
00:33:09,560 –> 00:33:10,920
I know exactly what you’re going
to say.

584
00:33:11,080 –> 00:33:16,680
But like pre Internet, how the
fuck do you find these people?

585
00:33:16,680 –> 00:33:17,680
Is this what you think I’m going
to say?

586
00:33:17,680 –> 00:33:18,640
Oh.
No, I thought you were going to

587
00:33:18,640 –> 00:33:20,040
say why would you keep a diary
about it?

588
00:33:20,280 –> 00:33:22,520
Oh, yeah, that I felt like that
goes without saying.

589
00:33:22,600 –> 00:33:27,360
Like, yeah, I’m, I have people
all over my life that when I

590
00:33:27,360 –> 00:33:29,880
die, they are going to take a
big trunk of my journals and

591
00:33:29,880 –> 00:33:32,200
just dump it somewhere like
light it on fire.

592
00:33:32,200 –> 00:33:35,000
And I don’t have anything except
for just the rantings of a crazy

593
00:33:35,000 –> 00:33:36,840
person.
Like nothing.

594
00:33:36,840 –> 00:33:41,640
But like, how do you find
multiple people that have are

595
00:33:41,640 –> 00:33:45,520
keeping a journal about like
like that want to kill this man

596
00:33:45,520 –> 00:33:50,080
So about like at KKK rally.
But those the guys that you

597
00:33:50,080 –> 00:33:51,640
found are not white guy.
You know what I mean?

598
00:33:51,640 –> 00:33:55,920
I’m just like how?
Well, I think it probably is at

599
00:33:56,120 –> 00:33:58,240
like, it’s not going to be at
KKK rallies.

600
00:33:58,240 –> 00:34:02,600
It’s going to be at, like in the
case of Kennedy, it’s Israel, is

601
00:34:02,600 –> 00:34:07,160
what they say got him killed.
So all you got to do, if you’re

602
00:34:07,400 –> 00:34:11,639
a shadowy intelligence agency
looking to recruit someone that

603
00:34:11,639 –> 00:34:15,400
you can fucking brainwash into
killing Kennedy, you’re going to

604
00:34:15,400 –> 00:34:18,480
probably start with someone
who’s already lean in that way

605
00:34:18,480 –> 00:34:21,639
anyway.
Who’s anti Israel or pro Israel?

606
00:34:21,719 –> 00:34:27,199
Yeah, Kennedy was pro Israel and
that is what the police have or

607
00:34:27,199 –> 00:34:29,560
what history has said was Sir
Han.

608
00:34:29,560 –> 00:34:33,120
Sir Han’s motive was Kennedy’s
support for Israel.

609
00:34:33,239 –> 00:34:35,280
That’s why Sir Han.
Sir Han killed him.

610
00:34:35,280 –> 00:34:37,400
And he was from Palestine and
Jordan, right?

611
00:34:37,400 –> 00:34:39,320
He was Jordan, Palestinian.
Sir Han.

612
00:34:39,320 –> 00:34:41,880
Sir Han was Jordanian, yes.
Jordanian.

613
00:34:41,920 –> 00:34:42,639
OK.
Jordan.

614
00:34:43,080 –> 00:34:47,159
Jordanian, OK.
Jordan and the diary that

615
00:34:47,320 –> 00:34:52,400
Crispin Gonzalez had on him also
said he knew Sir Han Sir Han and

616
00:34:52,400 –> 00:34:56,880
had met him at a library in LAA
few days before the shooting.

617
00:34:57,200 –> 00:35:01,160
But then that article ends with
reporting about his suicide,

618
00:35:01,360 –> 00:35:05,360
which the article kind of
implies was motivated by the

619
00:35:05,360 –> 00:35:08,240
fact that no one believed his
claims about the RFK

620
00:35:08,320 –> 00:35:11,360
assassination.
Which, OK, here’s the thing.

621
00:35:11,360 –> 00:35:12,800
I don’t think this kid killed
himself.

622
00:35:13,120 –> 00:35:15,800
No, definitely.
I mean, think about it, you’re

623
00:35:15,800 –> 00:35:18,280
like, I’m going to kill the
future president of the United

624
00:35:18,280 –> 00:35:19,720
States.
I’m going to recruit a bunch of

625
00:35:19,720 –> 00:35:21,400
people who are a little off
their rocker.

626
00:35:21,400 –> 00:35:24,000
They’re already against this guy
because he’s pro Israel.

627
00:35:24,000 –> 00:35:26,760
They’re super malleable because
they are a little off their

628
00:35:26,760 –> 00:35:28,720
rocker.
And I’m going to get a bunch of

629
00:35:28,720 –> 00:35:32,360
them in the room that way.
No matter what way RFK goes, we

630
00:35:32,360 –> 00:35:35,840
shoot him, right?
And then afterwards the guy who

631
00:35:36,080 –> 00:35:38,880
pops him or gets caught, goes to
prison or gets killed.

632
00:35:38,880 –> 00:35:42,640
He’s he died at 8, at 81.
And is that correct?

633
00:35:43,600 –> 00:35:45,360
Or is he still alive and he’s 81
now?

634
00:35:45,480 –> 00:35:48,280
I think he’s still alive because
he almost got out recently.

635
00:35:48,640 –> 00:35:51,200
Oh my God, That’s that.
That’s wild.

636
00:35:51,400 –> 00:35:54,040
But think about that.
So he, yeah, he’s 81.

637
00:35:54,240 –> 00:35:56,240
Yeah, he’s 81.
I think he should be out.

638
00:35:56,480 –> 00:36:00,600
He should be out, but so he’s 81
or not, but so he he goes to

639
00:36:00,600 –> 00:36:04,440
prison for this murder.
But you have nine other however

640
00:36:04,440 –> 00:36:08,840
many other people that you had
loose strings, You have to take

641
00:36:08,840 –> 00:36:12,040
them out and you can’t take them
out in a way that’s like pop,

642
00:36:12,040 –> 00:36:13,440
pop, pop.
You got to take them out in a

643
00:36:13,440 –> 00:36:16,200
way that’s like one died by
suicide, one died in a car

644
00:36:16,200 –> 00:36:17,320
accident.
You know what, like it has to

645
00:36:17,320 –> 00:36:19,480
look like it can’t be like mass.
Yeah.

646
00:36:19,640 –> 00:36:23,040
And so this kid who just was
obviously unstable, but

647
00:36:23,040 –> 00:36:26,640
definitely a sociopath, I think
just because of all the Nazism

648
00:36:26,640 –> 00:36:28,400
and able to move people and
change his.

649
00:36:28,400 –> 00:36:30,360
Yeah, I mean, he doesn’t, he
doesn’t sound like a well

650
00:36:30,360 –> 00:36:32,600
adjusted little tyke, that’s for
sure.

651
00:36:33,640 –> 00:36:37,080
Little tyke he’s got, he’s got
some issues under his belt.

652
00:36:37,400 –> 00:36:39,360
But yeah, I don’t think he
killed himself either.

653
00:36:39,360 –> 00:36:41,640
You think Siran Siran should be
let out of prison?

654
00:36:41,920 –> 00:36:42,800
I don’t.
Yeah.

655
00:36:43,000 –> 00:36:44,520
Interesting.
Why not?

656
00:36:44,760 –> 00:36:49,480
Like I do honestly think if I
think there was some degree of

657
00:36:49,800 –> 00:36:52,680
hypnosis and mind control that
went into this.

658
00:36:52,680 –> 00:36:56,920
And I don’t think Sir Han, Sir
Han is the person who shot

659
00:36:57,000 –> 00:36:58,080
Kennedy.
He wasn’t.

660
00:36:58,240 –> 00:37:01,160
He didn’t have access to Kennedy
that way.

661
00:37:01,440 –> 00:37:05,280
The theory that has been out
there for a long time is that

662
00:37:05,400 –> 00:37:09,320
one of the cops who was
escorting Kennedy through the

663
00:37:09,320 –> 00:37:13,320
kitchen is also the one who shot
him because he’s a super duper

664
00:37:13,320 –> 00:37:16,240
right winger.
And when you dig into these

665
00:37:16,240 –> 00:37:21,280
files, the outfit that is the
most aggressive in trying to get

666
00:37:21,280 –> 00:37:25,040
people to like, say they didn’t
see what they saw, the one where

667
00:37:25,040 –> 00:37:27,840
people go visit them and then
start getting weird phone calls

668
00:37:27,840 –> 00:37:30,720
later, it’s the LAPD.
It’s not the FBI.

669
00:37:30,960 –> 00:37:34,040
It’s the fucking LAPD.
So you think the guy who was

670
00:37:34,040 –> 00:37:36,600
that scored, you think a cop
shot Kennedy?

671
00:37:36,680 –> 00:37:39,600
Lot of people think a cop shot
Kennedy.

672
00:37:39,600 –> 00:37:43,440
It’s not my personal theory.
It’s a theory that’s been out

673
00:37:43,440 –> 00:37:47,240
there for a long, long time.
Someone who was standing close

674
00:37:47,240 –> 00:37:49,560
to Robert F Kennedy shot Robert
F Kennedy.

675
00:37:49,800 –> 00:37:52,640
And the only way you’d be able
to be that close, like point

676
00:37:52,640 –> 00:37:56,160
blank range.
You can’t be some random like,

677
00:37:56,160 –> 00:37:58,760
man, you your cop, your
bodyguard.

678
00:37:58,920 –> 00:38:01,640
Yeah, holy shit.
It would it would have to be

679
00:38:01,640 –> 00:38:05,480
someone with very easy access to
Kennedy.

680
00:38:05,560 –> 00:38:07,800
Do you have the cops name that
you think that everyone thinks

681
00:38:07,800 –> 00:38:09,640
today?
It’s out there somewhere, I

682
00:38:09,640 –> 00:38:12,840
don’t have it, but.
I have I have to be really

683
00:38:12,840 –> 00:38:15,120
careful with these things
because the next thing I know

684
00:38:15,120 –> 00:38:18,400
three days will pass and I will
I will, I will have learned a

685
00:38:18,400 –> 00:38:21,280
lot of things that I and I will
believe that Paul McCartney died

686
00:38:21,280 –> 00:38:23,160
in 19.
You know, like, so like, I have

687
00:38:23,160 –> 00:38:25,040
to be careful with these things
because I’m like, we got to find

688
00:38:25,040 –> 00:38:26,840
out who this cop is.
Cop still alive.

689
00:38:27,320 –> 00:38:29,360
Yeah, no, I mean, that’s the
thing.

690
00:38:29,600 –> 00:38:33,640
That kind of stuff people have
talked about for decades and

691
00:38:33,640 –> 00:38:37,720
decades since this happened.
Like that’s all like common RFK

692
00:38:37,720 –> 00:38:40,840
assassination theory shit.
That’s what makes this kid so

693
00:38:40,840 –> 00:38:44,120
interesting.
He does not come up in RFK

694
00:38:44,120 –> 00:38:46,920
assassination talk at all that I
can see.

695
00:38:46,920 –> 00:38:50,680
Like normally you’d have like
just Google Sandy Serrano, RFK,

696
00:38:50,680 –> 00:38:52,120
you’re going to get.
Oh, I did.

697
00:38:52,120 –> 00:38:56,520
Ton of shit related to her.
Yeah, pages and pages and pages

698
00:38:56,880 –> 00:38:59,240
of results.
You Google Crispin, Curio,

699
00:38:59,240 –> 00:39:01,520
Gonzalez, you get government
files.

700
00:39:02,040 –> 00:39:05,080
But you’re right, because she
was able to just pop on an

701
00:39:05,080 –> 00:39:08,240
interview somehow an hour after
the assassination.

702
00:39:08,240 –> 00:39:10,640
And so there’s just no way to,
like, backtrack that.

703
00:39:10,640 –> 00:39:13,760
Yeah, even back then when it
wasn’t like a viral moment.

704
00:39:13,760 –> 00:39:17,720
But it was in terms of national,
like, World News, right?

705
00:39:17,720 –> 00:39:20,000
This guy being assassinated.
Wow.

706
00:39:20,000 –> 00:39:22,320
Oh, sure.
And so, yeah, there are all

707
00:39:22,320 –> 00:39:28,160
these reports of Sir Han, Sir
Han being seen in the company of

708
00:39:28,240 –> 00:39:33,320
two men and a woman, A punch in
the days leading up to the

709
00:39:33,560 –> 00:39:35,800
assassination.
And the description of the woman

710
00:39:36,040 –> 00:39:39,760
is pretty similar to Sandy
Serrano’s description of the

711
00:39:39,760 –> 00:39:44,400
girl in the polka dot dress.
And that’s, again, my question,

712
00:39:44,600 –> 00:39:47,720
who are the dudes?
Everyone focuses on the girl in

713
00:39:47,720 –> 00:39:50,440
the polka dot dress.
Who are those two dudes?

714
00:39:51,040 –> 00:39:54,000
They are also again often
described as looking

715
00:39:54,000 –> 00:39:56,840
Mediterranean, Mexican, Middle
Eastern, a brown person.

716
00:39:58,040 –> 00:40:00,440
And Saran Saran wasn’t one of
the dudes.

717
00:40:00,440 –> 00:40:03,960
Sir Han, Sir Han, he was one of
the dudes. 3rd dude.

718
00:40:04,240 –> 00:40:07,240
The other two dudes we don’t.
History has forgotten them.

719
00:40:07,440 –> 00:40:10,520
Sandy Serrano says the girl in
the polka dot dress went in with

720
00:40:10,520 –> 00:40:13,080
three dudes, came running back
out with two.

721
00:40:13,240 –> 00:40:17,360
The one who went in and didn’t
come back out, she identified as

722
00:40:17,360 –> 00:40:18,280
Sir Han.
Sir Han.

723
00:40:18,440 –> 00:40:19,280
Sir Han.
Sir Han.

724
00:40:19,520 –> 00:40:22,160
And so either she’s lying or Sir
Han.

725
00:40:22,160 –> 00:40:26,800
Sir Han was in fact with two
dudes and a woman that night at

726
00:40:26,800 –> 00:40:31,240
the hotel and the most famous
incident from before then

727
00:40:31,240 –> 00:40:36,040
involves a gun range where he
was seen in the company of this

728
00:40:36,040 –> 00:40:38,120
woman and at least one of these
dudes.

729
00:40:38,280 –> 00:40:44,520
But in this file, if you it’s
the same file that has the write

730
00:40:44,520 –> 00:40:48,680
up about him being a runaway in
the Manhattan Project residence

731
00:40:48,680 –> 00:40:52,040
and all that.
If you go down to page 20, there

732
00:40:52,040 –> 00:40:58,600
is another report about a
minister from Santa Ana, CA

733
00:40:58,720 –> 00:41:02,760
named Jerry Owen and he told the
FBI he met Sir Han.

734
00:41:02,760 –> 00:41:05,360
Sir Han a few days before the
shooting.

735
00:41:05,520 –> 00:41:07,600
How did they meet?
Sir Han was trying to buy a

736
00:41:07,600 –> 00:41:11,200
horse, of course.
I read house in the notes and

737
00:41:11,200 –> 00:41:14,120
then I was like, oh, he missed.
He wrote horse instead of house.

738
00:41:14,120 –> 00:41:16,000
And then I went back up and I
was like, oh, he’s buying a

739
00:41:16,000 –> 00:41:17,120
horse.
Yeah.

740
00:41:18,040 –> 00:41:22,080
He was wanting to buy a horse to
use at a racetrack.

741
00:41:22,280 –> 00:41:27,720
And this minister says Sir Han,
Sir Han was accompanied by two

742
00:41:27,720 –> 00:41:31,120
men and a woman during that
transaction.

743
00:41:31,280 –> 00:41:34,720
And so after the shooting
happens, he sees these news

744
00:41:34,720 –> 00:41:38,760
reports and recognizes Sir Han,
Sir Han as the guy who was

745
00:41:38,760 –> 00:41:42,080
trying to buy the horse.
So he immediately goes to the

746
00:41:42,080 –> 00:41:45,240
LAPD and they interview him
right there on the spot.

747
00:41:45,400 –> 00:41:50,400
Later that night, he gets an
anonymous phone call telling him

748
00:41:50,400 –> 00:41:54,600
to keep his mouth shut about
what he saw, if he knows what’s

749
00:41:54,600 –> 00:41:58,760
good for him and his family.
So with that, he flees to the

750
00:41:58,760 –> 00:42:02,720
Bay Area and tells the FBI what
happened.

751
00:42:02,920 –> 00:42:07,280
And so again, this is a guy one,
I didn’t even put this part in

752
00:42:07,280 –> 00:42:09,960
the notes.
He goes to the LAPD, tells them

753
00:42:10,280 –> 00:42:14,520
what he saw before the RFK
assassination, weirdly gets an

754
00:42:14,520 –> 00:42:18,320
anonymous phone call out of the
blue saying shut up about what

755
00:42:18,320 –> 00:42:22,240
you know, like right there, how
does the caller know what this

756
00:42:22,240 –> 00:42:24,560
guy knows?
Like who’s going to be the leak

757
00:42:24,560 –> 00:42:26,680
there?
Someone in the LAPD, yeah.

758
00:42:27,040 –> 00:42:29,560
But my question is why does that
matter?

759
00:42:29,560 –> 00:42:32,480
Like, I guess like someone who’s
about to assassinate a future

760
00:42:32,480 –> 00:42:35,200
president definitely isn’t going
to have long term plans about

761
00:42:35,200 –> 00:42:38,360
buying a horse and racing them.
Like, you know how they’re like.

762
00:42:38,400 –> 00:42:42,000
Oh well, he had all the like.
No, I think it’s the in the

763
00:42:42,000 –> 00:42:45,400
company of two men and a woman.
Oh, the the the witness of the

764
00:42:45,400 –> 00:42:47,760
people that he was with.
It’s like, but that also is

765
00:42:47,760 –> 00:42:51,320
still so like.
It’s it’s.

766
00:42:51,760 –> 00:42:52,640
Important.
It’s hard.

767
00:42:52,840 –> 00:42:53,960
Yeah, it’s important.
I get that.

768
00:42:53,960 –> 00:42:56,240
But it’s like, what a weird
thing to threaten.

769
00:42:56,240 –> 00:43:01,120
I guess it’s a loose end.
Well, no, because the LAPD goes

770
00:43:01,120 –> 00:43:05,240
really hard in the paint trying
to convince us that the girl in

771
00:43:05,240 –> 00:43:08,880
the polka dot dress is a hoax.
Oh, yeah.

772
00:43:08,880 –> 00:43:11,160
And then they’re like Siran,
Siran, Sir Han.

773
00:43:11,160 –> 00:43:12,600
Sir Han.
Yes.

774
00:43:12,840 –> 00:43:15,360
Acted alone.
So there’s no conspiracy.

775
00:43:15,360 –> 00:43:16,920
There’s no nothing.
He acted alone.

776
00:43:16,920 –> 00:43:18,240
We arrested him.
It’s good.

777
00:43:18,240 –> 00:43:20,440
We’re all home for dinner.
Like, it doesn’t matter.

778
00:43:20,480 –> 00:43:22,840
Stop spreading these like, yeah,
OK.

779
00:43:23,160 –> 00:43:26,240
And this guy a minister, so
people are going to see that

780
00:43:26,240 –> 00:43:28,000
part and be like, OK, well, he’s
not lying.

781
00:43:28,200 –> 00:43:31,720
We we got that and.
Times are so different now.

782
00:43:32,960 –> 00:43:36,640
And now this guy’s coming
forward and being like, no, I

783
00:43:36,640 –> 00:43:40,240
saw him with a woman and two men
and they were acquaintances.

784
00:43:40,240 –> 00:43:44,080
They were like hanging out.
Like, that blows up the idea

785
00:43:44,080 –> 00:43:45,960
that there were no other
accomplices.

786
00:43:46,120 –> 00:43:49,560
So I mean, if there was a
conspiracy, someone would want

787
00:43:49,560 –> 00:43:53,560
that part to not get out.
And someone clearly has wanted

788
00:43:53,560 –> 00:43:57,200
that part to not get out,
because the official explanation

789
00:43:57,240 –> 00:44:01,400
has always been that Sir Han,
Sir Han acted alone.

790
00:44:01,520 –> 00:44:03,080
Which.
Jesus.

791
00:44:03,280 –> 00:44:06,560
I feel like he didn’t.
And then I think it’s even more

792
00:44:06,560 –> 00:44:10,320
interesting in these files
because once again you Google

793
00:44:10,320 –> 00:44:14,800
Crispin Curiel Gonzalez, there’s
actually 2 files from this

794
00:44:15,160 –> 00:44:17,440
release of JFK stuff that come
up.

795
00:44:17,680 –> 00:44:21,160
The second one for pages and
pages and pages.

796
00:44:21,360 –> 00:44:25,680
It’s just a roster of members of
a group called Young

797
00:44:25,680 –> 00:44:28,960
Professionals for Kennedy and
each name is crossed out.

798
00:44:29,080 –> 00:44:31,760
I get the impression this was
them.

799
00:44:31,840 –> 00:44:34,120
They were interviewing each
person in this group and

800
00:44:34,120 –> 00:44:36,960
crossing the names off as they
interviewed them.

801
00:44:37,120 –> 00:44:40,600
Which makes the stuff that
starts at page 37 super

802
00:44:40,600 –> 00:44:45,800
interesting, because it starts
with a highly dismissive memo

803
00:44:45,920 –> 00:44:49,520
about how, because the girl in
the polka dot dress has been

804
00:44:49,520 –> 00:44:54,280
determined to be a hoax, the FBI
had no intention of tracking

805
00:44:54,280 –> 00:44:57,760
down and interviewing Carol
Franden.

806
00:44:57,960 –> 00:45:00,320
So I was like, well who the fuck
is that now?

807
00:45:00,520 –> 00:45:03,240
Out of nowhere, Yeah.
Did you look up any of these

808
00:45:03,240 –> 00:45:06,480
names on the the the list?
It’s, it’s long.

809
00:45:06,640 –> 00:45:08,880
Did you just out of curiosity be
like who is?

810
00:45:08,920 –> 00:45:11,640
Well, because it like, it makes
sense why they would interview

811
00:45:11,640 –> 00:45:14,080
all those people.
They’re members of a group that

812
00:45:14,080 –> 00:45:16,320
was working for the Kennedy
campaign.

813
00:45:16,640 –> 00:45:18,320
Yeah, yeah.
I’m just curious where they

814
00:45:18,320 –> 00:45:22,560
would be.
I mean probably mostly dead, but

815
00:45:22,720 –> 00:45:26,320
also Googling all those names
would take such such a long

816
00:45:26,320 –> 00:45:27,600
time.
That is true, yes.

817
00:45:27,840 –> 00:45:31,280
Carol Franden, though I did
Google her and not a lot comes

818
00:45:31,280 –> 00:45:33,600
up either.
But it is revealed in these

819
00:45:33,600 –> 00:45:39,040
files that Carol Franden was a
young woman who visited a VA

820
00:45:39,040 –> 00:45:44,120
hospital for treatment because
she was too nervous to work or

821
00:45:44,120 –> 00:45:47,160
function.
And the Doctor Who treated her

822
00:45:47,240 –> 00:45:50,960
had seen all these reports about
a girl in the polka dot dress

823
00:45:51,160 –> 00:45:57,040
and just had a sinking feeling
that she was the girl in the

824
00:45:57,040 –> 00:46:01,480
polka dot dress.
And so he reports this to the

825
00:46:01,480 –> 00:46:05,120
police and to presumably the
FBI.

826
00:46:05,360 –> 00:46:07,720
He reports it 10 days after the
shooting.

827
00:46:07,920 –> 00:46:11,680
But already by that point, the
government had decided, Nope,

828
00:46:11,800 –> 00:46:14,560
that’s that’s a hoax.
That’s a conspiracy theory.

829
00:46:14,840 –> 00:46:17,320
We’re not going to like it
literally says we’re not going

830
00:46:17,320 –> 00:46:19,520
to find Carol friend and we’re
not going to interview her.

831
00:46:19,840 –> 00:46:23,760
That’s a hoax. 10 days.
It’s like you interviewed every

832
00:46:23,760 –> 00:46:27,440
young professional for Kennedy.
You can’t track down the one

833
00:46:27,440 –> 00:46:30,000
woman that this doctor is like,
hey, I think this is.

834
00:46:30,240 –> 00:46:33,560
I think that’s the girl.
And also 10 days, it’s not like

835
00:46:33,800 –> 00:46:36,360
like 10 years later and it’s
like, yeah, we already shut and

836
00:46:36,360 –> 00:46:38,640
closed that.
It’s 10 days.

837
00:46:38,640 –> 00:46:41,280
It’s like, no, you should still
be looking into this.

838
00:46:41,520 –> 00:46:45,800
Yes, absolutely.
And it’s even crazier when you

839
00:46:45,800 –> 00:46:50,160
take into account that that’s
also about the span of time it

840
00:46:50,160 –> 00:46:54,640
took for Crispin Curio Gonzalez
to get found and then.

841
00:46:55,040 –> 00:46:57,320
And die by suicide.
Yeah, die by suicide.

842
00:46:57,320 –> 00:47:01,040
It’s a like a little bit longer,
but it that all happens right in

843
00:47:01,320 –> 00:47:04,680
very close proximity to Robert F
Kennedy being.

844
00:47:04,760 –> 00:47:08,440
A week to four week period,
yeah, everybody sort of involved

845
00:47:08,440 –> 00:47:10,000
is.
A couple weeks to a.

846
00:47:10,440 –> 00:47:16,000
Yeah, or killed.
Yeah, so I really do have my

847
00:47:16,000 –> 00:47:21,040
suspicions that Crispin Curio
Gonzalez might have been one of

848
00:47:21,040 –> 00:47:26,920
those men who was seen with Sir
Han, Sir Han and another guy and

849
00:47:26,920 –> 00:47:29,840
a woman in the days leading up
to this.

850
00:47:29,840 –> 00:47:33,120
And maybe there’s more about him
in these files, and that will be

851
00:47:33,120 –> 00:47:36,200
confirmed at some point.
But it seems like, no, it seems

852
00:47:36,200 –> 00:47:40,840
like the official government
explanation is now he was just a

853
00:47:40,840 –> 00:47:44,320
crazy kid who told crazy
stories, and then he was.

854
00:47:44,640 –> 00:47:47,880
Unstable and died by suicide.
Unstable.

855
00:47:47,880 –> 00:47:50,800
Weirdly political for a 16 year
old.

856
00:47:51,000 –> 00:47:54,360
But also a child, not very smart
but brilliant.

857
00:47:54,480 –> 00:47:56,920
But was able to move crowds of
200.

858
00:47:57,000 –> 00:48:01,280
Yeah, little 13 year old brain
capacity moron who could really

859
00:48:01,280 –> 00:48:04,080
move a crowd of hundreds talking
Nazi stuff.

860
00:48:04,080 –> 00:48:06,280
It’s like who the fuck was this
kid?

861
00:48:06,440 –> 00:48:10,920
And also so if it was him, Sir
Han, Sir Han Carol, who was the

862
00:48:10,920 –> 00:48:13,560
third guy, right?
Who’s the third guy?

863
00:48:13,960 –> 00:48:17,120
I wonder if he’s going to come
up because there are there’s

864
00:48:17,120 –> 00:48:21,440
other names in this that just
pop up out of nowhere that I

865
00:48:21,440 –> 00:48:25,560
have not looked into fully yet.
Crispin, Curio, Gonzalez just

866
00:48:25,560 –> 00:48:28,680
kind of turned up the most stuff
right away.

867
00:48:28,880 –> 00:48:32,440
But there is, there are so many
weird moments because.

868
00:48:32,440 –> 00:48:35,920
Carol Frandon is nowhere.
Yeah, Carol Frandon does not

869
00:48:35,920 –> 00:48:40,360
exist in this conspiracy theory
at all outside of these files.

870
00:48:40,720 –> 00:48:43,680
Like nothing.
The doctor obviously could be

871
00:48:43,680 –> 00:48:44,160
wrong.
Wrong.

872
00:48:44,400 –> 00:48:51,720
It’s just so strange to me that
in the midst of what at the time

873
00:48:51,720 –> 00:48:55,480
even they were calling like the
most comprehensive investigation

874
00:48:55,480 –> 00:48:57,560
into a political assassination
ever.

875
00:48:57,720 –> 00:49:01,440
You skip that one woman, you’re
just like, Nah, that girl was

876
00:49:01,440 –> 00:49:03,560
lying.
That said she saw her.

877
00:49:03,560 –> 00:49:06,760
Oh, also, that guy was lying.
And that other guy and that

878
00:49:06,760 –> 00:49:09,160
other person.
And the other guy also who?

879
00:49:09,440 –> 00:49:12,640
But also like, what did Carol
Frandin say to this doctor?

880
00:49:12,640 –> 00:49:14,480
Because it’s like, you’re a
doctor.

881
00:49:14,480 –> 00:49:17,080
You know, RFK has been
assassinated.

882
00:49:17,080 –> 00:49:18,360
You know, all the stuff around
it.

883
00:49:18,360 –> 00:49:20,840
And then some woman comes to you
and it’s too nervous to work and

884
00:49:20,840 –> 00:49:22,320
has all these things.
And then you’re like, oh, it’s

885
00:49:22,320 –> 00:49:24,040
probably the woman in the polka
dot red.

886
00:49:24,040 –> 00:49:28,000
Like something had to have led
him to that conclusion in order

887
00:49:28,200 –> 00:49:31,040
because like, you’re not like, I
have a sinking feeling this

888
00:49:31,040 –> 00:49:34,160
woman has something to do with
the assassination that I don’t

889
00:49:34,160 –> 00:49:37,480
really have anything to do with.
But like, just like the guy, the

890
00:49:37,480 –> 00:49:39,920
minister who was like, yeah,
that’s weird.

891
00:49:39,920 –> 00:49:42,760
I actually was going to sell
that guy a horse.

892
00:49:43,000 –> 00:49:45,600
Yeah.
And all of this is theorized,

893
00:49:45,920 –> 00:49:49,160
like, all those assassinations
at that time is because certain

894
00:49:49,160 –> 00:49:52,360
groups of people just didn’t
want to have equal rights,

895
00:49:52,800 –> 00:49:54,680
didn’t want the civil rights
movement.

896
00:49:54,680 –> 00:49:57,600
Like, yeah, you ever just want
to scream into a pillow?

897
00:49:57,760 –> 00:50:02,200
I mean, yeah, all the time.
That’s that’s 2025 for you.

898
00:50:02,440 –> 00:50:05,800
I did once.
I did scream into a pillow not

899
00:50:05,800 –> 00:50:09,960
once but like the last time I
did and then my neighbor text me

900
00:50:09,960 –> 00:50:12,480
and said everything OK in there.
I heard a really loud noise and

901
00:50:12,480 –> 00:50:14,040
I was like, oh, so it doesn’t
muffle the.

902
00:50:15,160 –> 00:50:16,360
Noise.
Yeah, probably not that much.

903
00:50:16,800 –> 00:50:18,600
So I stopped screaming in a
pillow.

904
00:50:18,600 –> 00:50:20,600
Now I just do it in my car.
That’s good.

905
00:50:20,640 –> 00:50:24,560
See I would normally just do the
true crime time check in a

906
00:50:24,600 –> 00:50:27,440
situation like that.
Whenever I hear like something

907
00:50:27,440 –> 00:50:30,480
that sounds like distress I look
at the clock just in case

908
00:50:30,680 –> 00:50:35,800
investigators show U and I can
be like yes 1242 I heard some

909
00:50:35,800 –> 00:50:37,440
shit.
Beat it, pig.

910
00:50:39,040 –> 00:50:42,080
A cab motherfucker.
So also let me know if I can

911
00:50:42,080 –> 00:50:43,440
help.
That was a huge tragedy.

912
00:50:43,600 –> 00:50:45,800
Yeah, I care about them, but you
find.

913
00:50:45,800 –> 00:50:47,200
The police, but let me know if I
can.

914
00:50:47,680 –> 00:50:49,120
Help.
You guys only show up after

915
00:50:49,120 –> 00:50:50,480
crimes happen.
You don’t really do anything

916
00:50:50,480 –> 00:50:52,320
preventative.
Nobody thinks everybody thinks

917
00:50:52,320 –> 00:50:53,800
you’re kind of racist and
worthless, but OK.

918
00:50:54,000 –> 00:50:55,960
Please keep your body Cam on
while I’m talking to you.

919
00:50:56,000 –> 00:50:56,680
Thank you.
Yeah.

920
00:50:57,160 –> 00:51:01,120
It’s the thing on.
So yeah, I think that’s our

921
00:51:01,120 –> 00:51:04,880
episode.
I am really interested to see if

922
00:51:04,960 –> 00:51:09,600
anything else about either of
these two comes up in more of

923
00:51:09,600 –> 00:51:12,080
these files because I’m it’s a
lot of pages.

924
00:51:12,080 –> 00:51:14,560
It’s like 10,000 pages.
Oh my.

925
00:51:14,600 –> 00:51:17,040
God, so that’s OK.
So that’s what you’re doing is

926
00:51:17,040 –> 00:51:19,160
you’re just going little by
little, and then as soon as you

927
00:51:19,160 –> 00:51:21,920
find something interesting, then
you’re like, OK, this is Part 3,

928
00:51:22,160 –> 00:51:24,600
Part 2.
Yeah, yeah, I’m just kind of

929
00:51:24,600 –> 00:51:30,520
like anything that pops up and
shit has been popping up like

930
00:51:30,720 –> 00:51:33,440
this Crispin Gonzalez thing is
nuts.

931
00:51:33,680 –> 00:51:37,080
Like, I really need to know more
about that kid.

932
00:51:37,120 –> 00:51:39,760
And The thing is, we’re never
going to.

933
00:51:39,880 –> 00:51:44,000
We are never going to know
anything about any of this shit.

934
00:51:44,080 –> 00:51:47,520
Because everybody that knew this
kid personally is likely dead.

935
00:51:47,760 –> 00:51:50,680
Oh, sure.
Herons and all that stuff.

936
00:51:50,920 –> 00:51:52,520
He’s dead.
He’s dead.

937
00:51:52,680 –> 00:51:55,680
He died very quick.
Very quick after this.

938
00:51:55,880 –> 00:51:59,280
Which God, that’s convenient.
That goes to show you though, if

939
00:51:59,280 –> 00:52:02,120
anybody ever comes to you and
says hey I hear you really hate

940
00:52:02,160 –> 00:52:05,240
so and so you want to join a
thing and help us kill him,

941
00:52:05,240 –> 00:52:08,680
you’re like Nah because once it
is done you’ll clean up the mess

942
00:52:08,680 –> 00:52:11,240
and I’m one of the messes.
So if you’re going to kill

943
00:52:11,240 –> 00:52:13,640
someone, act alone is really my
advice.

944
00:52:13,640 –> 00:52:17,120
Well my advice is if you’re
doing anything counter to what

945
00:52:17,120 –> 00:52:20,400
the government would want you to
do, just be suspicious of new

946
00:52:20,400 –> 00:52:22,160
people that show up.
Anyone.

947
00:52:22,560 –> 00:52:24,120
Because you’re not going to see
it.

948
00:52:24,200 –> 00:52:27,480
They’re not going to send a
mother fucker in a Secret

949
00:52:27,480 –> 00:52:30,000
Service suit wearing black
sunglasses.

950
00:52:30,200 –> 00:52:32,600
It’s going to be someone who
looks like they are from your

951
00:52:32,600 –> 00:52:34,760
peer group.
Yeah, it’s going to be your

952
00:52:34,760 –> 00:52:36,600
neighbor.
A new neighbor out of nowhere

953
00:52:36,600 –> 00:52:39,200
that strikes up a conversation
about your lilies.

954
00:52:39,320 –> 00:52:45,480
The absolutely most underrated
story, I think of the last 1020

955
00:52:45,480 –> 00:52:48,640
years.
It was reported by one outlet,

956
00:52:48,960 –> 00:52:51,800
Newsweek.
The Department of Defense over

957
00:52:51,800 –> 00:52:57,080
the past like 15 years has been
building a network of domestic

958
00:52:57,200 –> 00:53:01,200
spies in the United States.
There are more of them than

959
00:53:01,200 –> 00:53:06,240
there are undercover CIA agents.
There’s like 60,000 in the

960
00:53:06,240 –> 00:53:09,040
United States.
And their whole thing is to put

961
00:53:09,040 –> 00:53:12,840
on fake identities and just
infiltrate groups.

962
00:53:13,240 –> 00:53:16,040
I guarantee you there’s probably
a few in LA comedy.

963
00:53:16,400 –> 00:53:20,800
There’s some doing podcasts,
like anything you’re doing that

964
00:53:20,800 –> 00:53:24,240
the government might want to spy
on, some motherfucker from the

965
00:53:24,240 –> 00:53:29,040
government is there with you.
I promise none of this shit is

966
00:53:29,040 –> 00:53:32,240
too small for the government to
spy on.

967
00:53:32,400 –> 00:53:35,280
This is the UK, so it’s
different, but I mean not that

968
00:53:35,280 –> 00:53:37,200
different.
But the Metropolitan Police

969
00:53:37,200 –> 00:53:42,040
Department, which is like the
NYPD of London, they had a big

970
00:53:42,040 –> 00:53:45,520
scandal because they were
sending undercover agents out to

971
00:53:45,520 –> 00:53:47,680
like, environmental groups and
shit.

972
00:53:47,800 –> 00:53:51,480
And in some cases, these dudes
were like starting families with

973
00:53:51,480 –> 00:53:55,280
the people they were spying on,
like having kids and just the

974
00:53:55,280 –> 00:53:58,160
whole time pretending to be a
whole other person.

975
00:53:58,440 –> 00:54:02,800
One dude was married with kids
and started a family with the

976
00:54:02,800 –> 00:54:06,360
girl he was spying on.
Also, like, the government’s

977
00:54:06,360 –> 00:54:08,320
willing to do it.
Whatever you think, the

978
00:54:08,680 –> 00:54:13,120
government’s willing to do so.
It it’s wild because we made all

979
00:54:13,120 –> 00:54:14,760
this up.
You know what I mean?

980
00:54:14,760 –> 00:54:19,280
Like we made-up countries, we
made-up like it’s all made-up

981
00:54:19,280 –> 00:54:23,440
and we’re just like, well, now
the government like it’s so dumb

982
00:54:23,880 –> 00:54:25,160
but scary.
You don’t.

983
00:54:25,160 –> 00:54:26,960
I mean, we’re just like what?
Just let people live their

984
00:54:26,960 –> 00:54:28,040
lives.
Who cares?

985
00:54:28,040 –> 00:54:31,400
Like no one is doing any it.
We’re all just doing our but

986
00:54:31,400 –> 00:54:35,200
like, but also so scary.
Jesus.

987
00:54:35,360 –> 00:54:39,040
This is why I think I’m I’m just
good, you know, I’m not really

988
00:54:39,040 –> 00:54:41,760
doing anything that would
probably get a government agent

989
00:54:41,760 –> 00:54:44,840
to infiltrate my life.
But like, maybe I’m talking

990
00:54:44,840 –> 00:54:46,200
about this shit, you know what I
mean?

991
00:54:46,200 –> 00:54:50,680
Like I say all the time about
this podcast in particular, what

992
00:54:50,680 –> 00:54:52,720
am I going to do?
I’m going to I’m going to bring

993
00:54:52,720 –> 00:54:56,040
the government to justice
because I found an interesting

994
00:54:56,040 –> 00:54:59,240
name in this file.
Nope, No, this isn’t going to

995
00:54:59,240 –> 00:55:02,240
move the needle at all.
This might as well, and I’ve

996
00:55:02,240 –> 00:55:05,600
said this before too, this might
as well be a true crime podcast

997
00:55:05,600 –> 00:55:08,880
where the criminal is just the
government every time.

998
00:55:09,080 –> 00:55:12,480
Like that’s all this is.
We are celebrating the work of

999
00:55:12,480 –> 00:55:14,600
master criminals on this
podcast.

1000
00:55:14,840 –> 00:55:17,280
Is that, Yeah, essentially what
we’re doing.

1001
00:55:17,280 –> 00:55:21,880
And I think this could be
another example because there

1002
00:55:21,880 –> 00:55:23,880
was something fucking going on
with this kid.

1003
00:55:24,120 –> 00:55:26,840
And what’s wild is just that he
was just thrown in there out of

1004
00:55:26,840 –> 00:55:28,280
nowhere.
Like you’re like reading the

1005
00:55:28,280 –> 00:55:31,000
thing, reading the thing.
Whoa, what’s this page about a

1006
00:55:31,000 –> 00:55:34,320
random kid who told a made-up
story and then died by suicide

1007
00:55:34,320 –> 00:55:37,480
in his, like, asylum cell?
Yeah, yeah.

1008
00:55:37,480 –> 00:55:41,840
That’s how these files are.
There’s so many points where

1009
00:55:42,000 –> 00:55:45,280
everything is one thing and then
there’s just weird shit out of

1010
00:55:45,280 –> 00:55:48,680
nowhere.
The one that has blown my mind

1011
00:55:48,720 –> 00:55:52,320
the most in terms of what the
fuck are you doing here?

1012
00:55:52,480 –> 00:55:56,800
And just because of his kid and
all of his weird shit, in the

1013
00:55:56,800 –> 00:55:59,480
middle of one of these files,
there’s just a memo about a

1014
00:55:59,480 –> 00:56:03,200
tetanus vaccine program within
the government.

1015
00:56:03,680 –> 00:56:05,840
Just one page about tetanus
vaccine.

1016
00:56:05,840 –> 00:56:09,240
You can come get the tetanus
vaccine here and then nothing

1017
00:56:09,240 –> 00:56:12,520
else about it.
Why the fuck is that there?

1018
00:56:12,680 –> 00:56:14,640
That’s what I want.
Especially since everything we

1019
00:56:14,640 –> 00:56:18,280
know about Junior.
Yeah, like, what the fuck is

1020
00:56:18,280 –> 00:56:20,760
that?
So stay tuned.

1021
00:56:20,760 –> 00:56:23,120
I feel like I’m going to be
doing these episodes the rest of

1022
00:56:23,120 –> 00:56:26,280
the year.
Like I’ll mix it up and do other

1023
00:56:26,440 –> 00:56:28,400
shit.
We have a bonus episode coming

1024
00:56:28,400 –> 00:56:32,720
up this week about a documentary
about the Manhattan alien

1025
00:56:32,720 –> 00:56:38,720
abduction, which that woman was
fucking lying, but so stay tuned

1026
00:56:38,720 –> 00:56:40,680
for that.
But yeah, I think that’s our

1027
00:56:40,680 –> 00:56:41,600
episode.
We did it.

1028
00:56:41,600 –> 00:56:45,640
We solved the RFK assassination.
It was this kid and Carol

1029
00:56:45,640 –> 00:56:48,280
Frandon.
Actually, I am not saying that I

1030
00:56:48,280 –> 00:56:50,960
don’t want what if.
What if the real Carol Frandon

1031
00:56:50,960 –> 00:56:53,120
is a fan?
What if she’s a fandon?

1032
00:56:53,320 –> 00:56:55,680
Oh, my God.
And she’s sitting here like on

1033
00:56:55,680 –> 00:56:58,840
her way to her like Job because
she’s in witness protection now.

1034
00:56:58,840 –> 00:57:00,640
So she’s on her way to like,
fake Job.

1035
00:57:00,640 –> 00:57:02,920
She’s probably retired because
she’s probably very old.

1036
00:57:03,000 –> 00:57:05,360
Yeah.
And then she’s like, oh, oh, oh,

1037
00:57:05,360 –> 00:57:08,080
no.
Did they just And she’s like

1038
00:57:08,080 –> 00:57:10,120
shut it down and then everyone
comes.

1039
00:57:12,600 –> 00:57:16,000
Sorry, Carol, if that’s you, but
also hit us up in the comments

1040
00:57:16,000 –> 00:57:18,960
and thanks for listening.
Yeah, maybe send us a photo.

1041
00:57:18,960 –> 00:57:21,360
I’m curious what you look like.
I have a picture of you in my

1042
00:57:21,360 –> 00:57:23,440
head but.
Yeah, and here’s the thing.

1043
00:57:23,480 –> 00:57:25,440
Accurate.
You were pretty shapely in the

1044
00:57:25,440 –> 00:57:28,080
60s, Carol.
I actually heard her describe

1045
00:57:28,080 –> 00:57:30,800
that way in one of these files.
Shapely.

1046
00:57:30,920 –> 00:57:32,760
Very shapely.
Heavy.

1047
00:57:32,800 –> 00:57:36,920
I actually think it was pooped
Dr. No he was saying shapely in

1048
00:57:36,920 –> 00:57:38,200
like.
A big girl?

1049
00:57:39,360 –> 00:57:41,640
Yeah.
Oh, like a sexy, like a

1050
00:57:41,640 –> 00:57:44,280
voluptuous Jesus doc.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:57:45,120 –> 00:57:49,680
Please Also real quick sidebar,
Sir Han, Sir Han 550.

1052
00:57:49,920 –> 00:57:51,480
Yeah, he was a short king.
That’s for.

1053
00:57:51,480 –> 00:57:53,040
Sure.
That’s that’s a yeah.

1054
00:57:53,240 –> 00:57:55,240
He was a little guy.
I feel like that would have

1055
00:57:55,240 –> 00:57:58,000
something like the Ballistics
too, alone because how tall the

1056
00:57:58,000 –> 00:58:00,160
Kennedys were, you know,
historically they were.

1057
00:58:00,800 –> 00:58:04,120
And what a terrible shot.
Yeah, like because Kennedy was

1058
00:58:04,120 –> 00:58:06,960
the trajectory of the shot would
be up and in.

1059
00:58:06,960 –> 00:58:09,720
Yeah, like.
Kennedy was hit one time, I

1060
00:58:09,720 –> 00:58:13,000
believe, and there were so many
shots fired.

1061
00:58:13,160 –> 00:58:15,000
I don’t know.
And the shot that hit him was

1062
00:58:15,000 –> 00:58:16,880
point blank.
The shot that killed him was

1063
00:58:16,880 –> 00:58:18,600
point blank behind his ear.
Yeah.

1064
00:58:18,760 –> 00:58:21,760
That’s probably the cop, but
everybody else is probably just

1065
00:58:21,760 –> 00:58:24,120
told to shoot well because
Sarah.

1066
00:58:24,120 –> 00:58:26,440
Was shooting he emptied his gun
and he.

1067
00:58:26,440 –> 00:58:29,800
Had, but he only had 6.
Yeah, and there were 12 casings.

1068
00:58:29,800 –> 00:58:31,720
No one else has admitted to
shooting.

1069
00:58:31,800 –> 00:58:34,320
What the fuck?
Yeah, yeah.

1070
00:58:34,440 –> 00:58:38,360
And there are like visible
bullet holes in that kitchen,

1071
00:58:38,360 –> 00:58:41,000
and people have counted them and
there’s like 12.

1072
00:58:41,160 –> 00:58:43,920
There’s also an audio recording
where it sounds like there’s

1073
00:58:43,920 –> 00:58:49,040
more than eight shots fired.
Why would Trump decide to

1074
00:58:49,040 –> 00:58:50,920
release this?
Like what was the?

1075
00:58:51,480 –> 00:58:54,880
You know, I don’t know, like.
Most of this stuff he does is

1076
00:58:54,920 –> 00:58:58,240
either senile or it’ll make him
and his family or people around

1077
00:58:58,240 –> 00:59:00,160
him more money.
Like you can usually like track

1078
00:59:00,160 –> 00:59:03,320
what he’s doing or it’ll save
his ass with the Epstein stuff,

1079
00:59:03,360 –> 00:59:04,080
you know what I mean?
Like.

1080
00:59:04,080 –> 00:59:08,640
I do think to some degree it’s a
distraction because this.

1081
00:59:08,920 –> 00:59:10,480
Oh yeah.
Like, these are two of the

1082
00:59:10,480 –> 00:59:12,360
biggest assassinations of all
time.

1083
00:59:12,360 –> 00:59:14,520
So I don’t know.
I feel like I’m good at

1084
00:59:14,520 –> 00:59:17,680
research.
And so people like me who feel

1085
00:59:17,680 –> 00:59:20,160
like we’re good at research are
going to fucking dive into this

1086
00:59:20,160 –> 00:59:22,280
shit.
And again, like, not really pay

1087
00:59:22,280 –> 00:59:24,920
attention to what Trump’s doing.
And yeah, sure, I’m falling for

1088
00:59:24,920 –> 00:59:26,800
it, but I host a bunch of
podcasts.

1089
00:59:26,800 –> 00:59:28,440
I can talk about Trump
elsewhere.

1090
00:59:28,600 –> 00:59:31,560
Yeah, I think the big airplane,
I think we talked about this,

1091
00:59:31,560 –> 00:59:34,440
the Qatar airplane jet.
What about it?

1092
00:59:34,720 –> 00:59:36,800
I think that was a massive
distraction too from all the

1093
00:59:36,800 –> 00:59:38,800
other stuff.
Like look how fucked up this is.

1094
00:59:38,800 –> 00:59:40,560
This is like.
Yeah, yeah.

1095
00:59:40,880 –> 00:59:43,200
It’s coming out that that wasn’t
a gift though, and that he like,

1096
00:59:43,200 –> 00:59:46,160
basically begged for it, which
is kind of fun, kind of fun to

1097
00:59:46,160 –> 00:59:49,400
think about.
All right, wow, wow.

1098
00:59:49,400 –> 00:59:53,240
Every time I do the conspiracy
theory show my brain I feel

1099
00:59:53,440 –> 00:59:55,680
crazy.
Yeah, I’m interested to see what

1100
00:59:55,680 –> 00:59:59,480
else pops up in these files
because I don’t know about

1101
00:59:59,480 –> 01:00:01,880
people listening, but I found
this shit really fucking

1102
01:00:01,880 –> 01:00:07,080
interesting and just that names
are coming up that have not been

1103
01:00:07,280 –> 01:00:11,960
really tied to this before.
And are nowhere on the Internet,

1104
01:00:11,960 –> 01:00:16,000
which is wild because the
Internet finds a way you know

1105
01:00:16,000 –> 01:00:19,960
like to like.
And I feel like with a release

1106
01:00:19,960 –> 01:00:23,560
like this, it’s sort of that
tactic you hear about in

1107
01:00:23,560 –> 01:00:27,200
lawsuits where one side will be
like, oh, you want to look

1108
01:00:27,200 –> 01:00:29,960
through our documents to see if
there’s anything incriminating,

1109
01:00:30,280 –> 01:00:32,680
Here is a room full of documents
look through.

1110
01:00:32,680 –> 01:00:34,800
All we keep, we keep terrible
files.

1111
01:00:34,800 –> 01:00:38,280
So we’ll just give you all of
our unorganized keep yourself

1112
01:00:38,280 –> 01:00:41,200
busy, yeah?
And that is kind of what this

1113
01:00:41,200 –> 01:00:44,800
feels like too.
And I wouldn’t doubt that there

1114
01:00:44,960 –> 01:00:48,200
is at least some degree of hope
that people are going to see

1115
01:00:48,200 –> 01:00:51,600
just the scale of these files
and be like, there’s nothing in

1116
01:00:51,600 –> 01:00:56,120
there that we don’t know before.
But clearly there is like there

1117
01:00:56,120 –> 01:00:59,320
is nothing about any of these
names out there yet.

1118
01:00:59,320 –> 01:01:02,880
So there is new shit in these
RFK assassination files.

1119
01:01:03,360 –> 01:01:05,560
So sad I’m.
Going to find all of it.

1120
01:01:05,680 –> 01:01:07,640
It is sad.
It’s very sad the shit that

1121
01:01:07,640 –> 01:01:11,440
happened in the 60s with all of
these political assassinations.

1122
01:01:11,600 –> 01:01:14,840
Very sad shit that happened to
the Black Panthers because they

1123
01:01:14,840 –> 01:01:18,720
had the audacity to give kids
free breakfast before school.

1124
01:01:18,840 –> 01:01:21,080
Fucking heinous.
Heinous.

1125
01:01:21,440 –> 01:01:24,240
I feel.
There’s a God, I can’t think of

1126
01:01:24,240 –> 01:01:27,040
the name of it now.
There’s a really good PBS

1127
01:01:27,040 –> 01:01:29,840
documentary about the Black
Panthers that every fucking

1128
01:01:29,840 –> 01:01:32,760
person in America should watch,
especially if you super duper

1129
01:01:32,760 –> 01:01:35,720
trust the government.
I feel like as soon as you

1130
01:01:35,720 –> 01:01:42,720
understand that America 1 is a
business, 2 is, is like we have

1131
01:01:42,720 –> 01:01:46,600
very deep white supremacy roots.
Like when people like we sold

1132
01:01:46,600 –> 01:01:49,400
racism, it’s like, no, we have
very deep white supremacy.

1133
01:01:49,720 –> 01:01:52,880
And then also as soon as you
understand and accept that our

1134
01:01:52,880 –> 01:01:58,080
government is one of the best,
biggest organized crime

1135
01:01:58,080 –> 01:02:02,200
organizations in the world, you
don’t, you know what I mean?

1136
01:02:02,200 –> 01:02:03,960
Like they’re or they’re
organized criminals.

1137
01:02:03,960 –> 01:02:07,080
That’s like.
Ah, I mean, a lot of governments

1138
01:02:07,080 –> 01:02:09,600
are to be.
Yeah, yeah, most governments I

1139
01:02:09,600 –> 01:02:13,000
don’t I I’m a big fan of the
president of Mexico.

1140
01:02:13,200 –> 01:02:14,760
I hope she changes some things
but.

1141
01:02:14,880 –> 01:02:18,040
No, Yeah, good luck.
I don’t know much about like,

1142
01:02:18,080 –> 01:02:20,360
but I’m just saying like, yeah,
as soon as you understand that

1143
01:02:20,360 –> 01:02:24,000
the governments are organized
criminals and do not have your

1144
01:02:24,000 –> 01:02:26,760
best interests at heart.
Nothing gets easier.

1145
01:02:27,160 –> 01:02:30,040
Yeah, you still want to vote
because you still feel you still

1146
01:02:30,040 –> 01:02:32,480
want to believe in things.
But yeah, it you get a little

1147
01:02:32,480 –> 01:02:33,960
sadder.
I think that’s all.

1148
01:02:33,960 –> 01:02:35,880
Once you realize that, you just
get a little sadder.

1149
01:02:36,000 –> 01:02:38,400
Yeah.
So hey, happy, we could make you

1150
01:02:38,400 –> 01:02:40,880
a little sadder today,
everybody.

1151
01:02:40,960 –> 01:02:44,480
And that is our episode.
I think we’ll have at least one

1152
01:02:44,480 –> 01:02:47,960
more RFK episode this month,
but.

1153
01:02:47,960 –> 01:02:49,760
I’d like to be on as many as you
want to put me on.

1154
01:02:49,760 –> 01:02:52,320
This is fascinating.
Yeah, I’m in.

1155
01:02:52,520 –> 01:02:57,920
I will hit you up until then
though, we should wrap this up.

1156
01:02:58,000 –> 01:02:59,720
Kim, thank you so much for doing
the pod.

1157
01:02:59,800 –> 01:03:01,040
I appreciate it.
Hey, Adam.

1158
01:03:01,040 –> 01:03:03,200
Thank you.
What do we have to plug before

1159
01:03:03,200 –> 01:03:05,760
we get out of here?
Follow me on Blue Sky Adam Todd

1160
01:03:05,760 –> 01:03:08,600
Brown dot B Sky dot Social.
I do not have it on my phone

1161
01:03:08,600 –> 01:03:11,440
anymore.
I probably won’t respond if you

1162
01:03:12,240 –> 01:03:15,520
hit me up, but do it anyway.
I can’t do social media anymore.

1163
01:03:15,600 –> 01:03:20,160
I can’t hit Oof, no, no side.
There’s no side that I can

1164
01:03:20,280 –> 01:03:22,280
stomach on.
I’ve never had.

1165
01:03:22,280 –> 01:03:24,680
I’ve never really had Nazis in
my timeline.

1166
01:03:24,680 –> 01:03:28,320
I don’t know why people do, but
for me it’s the people on my

1167
01:03:28,320 –> 01:03:33,040
side that like for non politics
reasons, it’s just like, shut

1168
01:03:33,040 –> 01:03:36,840
the fuck up, God damn.
But yeah, follow me on social

1169
01:03:36,840 –> 01:03:38,040
media.
Kim, what do you want to plug

1170
01:03:38,240 –> 01:03:39,680
you?
Don’t have to have an opinion

1171
01:03:39,680 –> 01:03:42,800
about everything, everybody.
And you don’t have to know

1172
01:03:42,800 –> 01:03:45,000
everyone’s opinion about
everything.

1173
01:03:45,040 –> 01:03:47,840
Yeah, and there’s a lot of
people that I’ve lost respect

1174
01:03:47,840 –> 01:03:50,320
for because we live in a time
where I get to know everyone’s

1175
01:03:50,320 –> 01:03:53,440
fucking opinion, whereas before
I’d be like, oh, the girl I work

1176
01:03:53,440 –> 01:03:55,800
with, I don’t know, she’s the
dumbest person alive.

1177
01:03:55,960 –> 01:03:58,400
Now I do because she posts about
it on the Internet.

1178
01:03:58,840 –> 01:04:01,920
Yeah.
My album drops on June 18th.

1179
01:04:01,920 –> 01:04:04,040
Oh, we moved it.
It’s June 18th, my birthday.

1180
01:04:04,280 –> 01:04:05,640
OK, cool.
Yeah.

1181
01:04:06,160 –> 01:04:09,040
So it’s called Charming Filth.
There will be presale in a

1182
01:04:09,040 –> 01:04:11,640
couple of weeks.
So that is my and also follow me

1183
01:04:11,640 –> 01:04:14,120
on all the socials.
I still do them at Kim Crawl

1184
01:04:14,360 –> 01:04:16,640
KYMKRAL.
And I think that’s it.

1185
01:04:16,640 –> 01:04:18,560
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Kim say goodbye.

1186
01:04:18,800 –> 01:04:20,920
Goodbye everyone.
Goodbye everybody, we love you.