Conspiracy! The Show 341: The RFK Assassination Files Pt. 3: The Second Gun

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown

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joining me as Co host this week.
Hey, Conor, Mcspadden’s here.

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How’s it going, man?
Great to be back for another RFK

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week hell.
Yeah, it is RFK year around

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these parts I think.
We’re coming up on the

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anniversary.
This is going to come out right

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right by the anniversary, right
the the 5th.

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Oh, that’s right.
Yeah, two days from now as

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people are listening to this,
June 5th, I think is the

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anniverse.
I was going to do the math in my

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head and figure out like how
many years it’s been, but oh, I

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have. 69, right?
That would be 46.

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Years, nice, but I think it was
60 years and.

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Then 57 years.
I’m also here.

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Jen Scott’s also here.
I was going to get to that.

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I see.
I mean, it was way funnier to do

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that than to not do that.
Yeah, yeah, that was as a.

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Listener, I would have laughed.
Yeah, I think we all thought it

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was a strong choice until you
did the second part where you

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explained it, no.
It’s so much better when you

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explain it, don’t you think?
Yeah, let’s see.

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Honestly, yes.
I mean, those are always the

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best jokes, the ones you have to
explain.

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If you have to explain it, that
what’s what makes it a really

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good joke.
Yeah, yeah.

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You want people to go away from
your bits feeling like they

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learned some stuff.
Yeah, I always like go into

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comedy hoping that I’m thinking
about more later.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we’re talking about the RFK

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files again, but just sort of
because for one thing, these

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files keep changing.
When I first looked at them,

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there were 20-3 pages of files.
And by that I mean each page has

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a link to 50 pages of files, and
it’s got like 10 links.

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So at first there were 23, There
are now 175 of those pages.

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And all of the first pages are
different shit than they were

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when I first started looking
into these.

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Oh, so they’re really trying to
punish you for giving a shit

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about this?
Yeah, it’s, it’s really weird

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how it’s happening.
Like everything I had saved to

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my computer, I don’t know where
else I would have it saved.

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It’s like meaningless now.
I don’t know where in the order

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it is, but on the last episode I
just kind of casually mentioned

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that there’s a theory out there
that maybe the security guard

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who was escorting RFK through
the kitchen the night he was

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shot is actually the one who
shot and killed him.

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And what I did not know until I
started looking into these

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files, This guy’s name comes up
in the files I looked at most

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recently, which is why we’re
talking about this.

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I never knew there was a
documentary in 1973 called The

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Second Gun that is very much
about that exact idea, that this

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security guard named Bane Eugene
Cesar is actually the one who

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killed Kennedy.
And however racist you thought a

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guy named Thane Eugene would be,
I I assure you he’s a little bit

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more racist than that even.
Yeah, he seems like a fucking

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character, that’s for sure.
Yeah, he seems like sort of a

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1960s version of like a Fox News
grandpa a little bit.

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Yeah, but a young guy, yeah.
Well, you know, there’s young

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grandpas out there.
The more I learn about this, the

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more my brain imagines it as an
Among Us game.

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Just like the little like
characters running around and

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everyone’s scared of which
person could be the killer.

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Just fingering each other and
fucking saying I didn’t do it.

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It’s kind.
There’s like 12 people in there

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and like half of them had guns.
There’s a lot of shit that could

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have happened.
I’m saying like who could it be

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at this point?
They all are very likely

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suspects to me.
So this documentary really comes

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from a different time in
history.

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This would be on like, Gaia or
something now.

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Yeah.
What’s Gaia?

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Gaia is a is a streaming
platform for insane people like

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myself who wanna educate
ourselves on a lot of

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alternative theories of the
universe.

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Jen.
I don’t think I got to get into

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it.
I cannot believe you’ve not

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never used it.
The amount of shit on Gaia that

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I’ve like scroll past that I go
I bet if I believe this I would

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believe the whole fucking thing
is like hilarious to me.

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How do I spell Gaia?
Gaia.

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Conscious media, streaming yoga
videos and more.

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I would not have.
Oh, that and more is doing a lot

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of heavy lifting there.
Yeah, there’s a lot of and more.

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Or is it like in any direction
of like?

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Kind of in the woo woo
spirituality kind of Marianne

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Williamson space, so.
I would fit in there.

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Yeah, yeah, water is warm.
Come on in.

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All the me and the other me and
the other crystal mommies will

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have will welcome you without a
tap an arm.

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My whole dresser is covered in
crystals, so let’s go.

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Yeah, but back when this came
out, this kind of shit was

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normal.
This wasn’t really called a

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conspiracy theory, it was just
called government dissent.

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They were like we’re collecting
data.

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And the media was all for it.
They were asking the tough

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questions that are raised in
this documentary and again, it

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really is just a thing I feel
like you would not at all see

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now.
Well, today it would be like,

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hey, if you don’t ask us that
question, you can come to a pool

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party.
Like it wouldn’t even be like,

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they’re, they’re not, they’re
hardly even fucking trying

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anymore.
Like, you know.

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Yeah, and you’re right, Access
is such a big thing too, where

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if you ask the wrong questions,
they’ll just stop letting you

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come ask questions.
If you want to ask me some nice

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questions, you just got to buy
some of this meme coin and then.

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Exactly which we probably should
buy some meme coin on this

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podcast, right?
Just to keep us out of the

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crosshairs.
I’ve got a lot deeper into the

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crypto space than I care to
admit, and I’ll say that a lot

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of these fucking coins have
absolutely no use case

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whatsoever.
Their value proposition is that

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the their coin is going to be
the future money of Earth and

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it’s just not reasonable.
A value proposition of this coin

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allows you to talk to the
president of the United States.

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That is a real value
proposition.

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That is a good investment like
that, that you could get

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something for that, not
financial advice.

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I’m an NFT.
You are an NFT.

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Yeah, like a couple different
emotions.

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A nefarious fucking thought.
No, like I did this photo shoot

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with this photographer who’s
super famous and she like did a

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huge collection of different
emotions of different like

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people.
And so I’m like 3-3 different

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emotions in this giant
collection of NFTSI don’t

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remember what.
It sounds expensive.

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Yeah, no, I don’t.
I think that fine art crypto

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verse is real confusing at this
point.

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Yeah, it sure is.
And I should add, now that these

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files have been changed and
there’s new shit, the first file

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that you click on is from I
think 2012, and it’s RFK Junior

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lobbying the American government
to reopen this investigation,

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but based on different evidence
that we’ll talk about another

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time.
This whole podcast is just this.

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I’d be fine with that.
You’re so all in.

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I’m not surprised that RFK
Junior can’t even like think his

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dad got assassinated in a
sketchy way the wrong way.

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Like I’m not I’m not surprised
he even has a shitty take there.

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Yeah, So this documentary, it
begins with a chorus of people

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talking about how this is an
open and shut case.

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Everyone saw Sir Han, Sir Han do
this.

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So they were committed to not
having another Dallas on their

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hands, meaning all of the shit
that happened after the JFK

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assassination.
And they immediately have

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another Dallas on their hands
because it seems like, I mean,

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it doesn’t seem like, but the
main sticking point with this

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whole conspiracy is the fact
that every witness says Sir Han,

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Sir Han was a few feet away from
RFK when he was shooting, but

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the shot that killed RFK was
fired point blank range behind

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his ear.
And the other shots that hit him

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also were fired from behind.
So how the fuck would Sir Han,

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Sir Han have done that?
And there was like powder burns

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in the flesh that were only
consistent with gunshot wounds

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that were fired from a very
short distance where that powder

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coming out of the barrel could
really burn the shit out of you.

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And he had all these like flexor
shit embedded in there that just

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couldn’t have happened if
someone was 3 feet away like

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they said.
Yeah, and the guy who they end

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up pointing to in this as being
the possible shooter, he had

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gunpowder residue on his face,
which that’s also.

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Me, that seems likely it was him
at in some way.

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Yeah, the only thing that I
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how comfortable he was talking
to the people interviewing him.

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Like, if you’re actually the guy
that shot Kennedy and you’re

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still just like, sitting down
for it, like I’d be like, no,

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man, I’m too fucking.
I’m too broken up about this to

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even comment on it.
You kidding me?

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Yeah, that takes some real
fucking acting, you know, that’s

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some, that’s some difficult,
even if just on the level of

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nerves.
You’ve got to squash that shit

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down, you know?
Yeah.

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Well, I kind of think that
because because there’s so much

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theorized hypnosis involved in
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Like why does that have to just
be to one person?

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Oh that’s interesting.
You think they got one of the

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fucking one of the pigs guarding
the Ambassador Hotel that night?

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Why not?
Why would not everyone, everyone

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involved seem so fucking
confused?

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You know?
Like it seems like they’re so

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confident in saying whatever
they’re saying, but they seem

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confused about anything that is
outside of that story.

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Yeah, and all the people in
charge of telling you that it’s

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everything’s fine.
Stop looking into shut up or is

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was some master gas lighting.
They were all like, well, you’d

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have to talk to Bob and Bobby,
like you’d have to talk to Dave

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and Dave like, well, you’d have
to talk to Tim and Times like,

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well, just ask Bob you.
Know one of the easiest things

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to do with like hypnosis and
like trying to stick to a story

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is to triangulate people.
And that’s so clearly done to me

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here.
Like it’s just like, well, I

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don’t know, ask your father type
shit or like, oh, as a kid when

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that happened to you, if you go
between your parents twice,

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you’ve given up.
You know what I mean?

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Like it’s so easy to triangulate
people and it’s actually so much

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easier to hypnotize people than
you think.

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So much easier.
One of the things I found

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interesting really early on is
they bring up the girl in the

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polka dot dress.
My.

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Girl.
She is one of the biggest

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talking points in this
conspiracy.

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And we mentioned on the first of
these RFK bio episodes that

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there were two different
witnesses who both said they saw

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Sir Han, Sir Han with a girl in
a polka dot dress.

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And they both, independently of
each other, recanted their story

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and said it was a hoax.
So two people who didn’t know

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each other came up with the same
lie to tell to these

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investigators.
And now in this documentary,

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right off the bat you get 2 more
witnesses who say they saw Sir

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Han Sir Han with a girl in a
polka dot dress.

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And then don’t.
They tried out a chick in a

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polka dot dress.
That’s the wrong colored dress

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with the wrong size of polka
dots on it.

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Yeah, they try to say that.
The woman everyone identified

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actually came forward and had
nothing to do with it.

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But one of the witnesses here is
like, I’m not dumb.

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That is a blonde white woman.
And the woman I saw, he called

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her swarthy and said she was
Mediterranean looking, which

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that comes up every time these
people that Sir Han, Sir Han was

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seen with are described.
Sir Han, Sir Han was a bitch

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with a mustache.
We got to find her.

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On the last episode, we
mentioned that investigators

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actually got a tip as to who the
girl in the polka dot dress

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might have been, and it was a
woman named Carol Franden.

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And they never followed up on it
because within 10 days of this,

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they had decided the girl in the
polka dot dress was a hoax and

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that they didn’t need to go talk
to Carol Franden.

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Which leads me to believe Carol
Franden is.

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Totally it.
Well, because they just, they

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didn’t want to investigate
anything that might lead to an

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investigation.
Yeah.

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Yeah, well the the polka dot
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trigger.
So like when she appeared.

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She’s the Queen of diamonds.
Right when she appeared, that’s

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what triggers the hypnosis to do
the shooting.

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So they had triggered that in a
bunch of people.

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Well, one of the theories along
those lines is that there were

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multiple possible shooters in
the room, and who did the

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shooting was going to depend on
what way Kennedy went when he

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left the stage.
So yeah, they the thinking they

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are would be that they were
probably hypnotized in some way

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also, and Kennedy became.
Role in the triangulation of the

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shots.
Yeah, and the reason I bring up

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Carol Franden.
Who’s now dating the guy in the

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grassy Knoll?
They’re very happy together.

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Well, this one of the reasons
this Doctor Who tipped off the

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FBI about her maybe being the
girl in the polka dot dress, One

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of the things he was suspicious
about was, well, she has been

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described as Mediterranean
looking and this woman’s got a

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ton of arm hair.
So Carol Franding could be very

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innocent also.
I wonder if sales of polka dot

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dresses went up or down after
this.

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It’s a good question.
I wonder if people cosplay as

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the girl in the polka dot dress.
That’s my Halloween costume this

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year and I’m going to get so
many people shot.

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It’s the new summer look to kill
for.

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We did do an episode about the
Derren Brown show Assassin,

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Yeah, Assassin, where he
basically programs someone to

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carry.
Out he like proves that it could

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happen easily.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, pretty and that.
And he didn’t even have an

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entire decades long program of
mind control research to draw

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from.
No, he doesn’t have a

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government.
Yeah.

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Yeah, there’s no, he doesn’t
have MK anything.

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He doesn’t even have MK.
No, that man’s just one gay

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witch.
Yeah, just just one gay source.

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I feel like the gays are more of
a warlock.

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Yeah, Gay Witch just has such a
good ring to it.

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It does.
I like the part where they

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hypnotize Sir Han Sir Han on the
stand during his trial and it

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could not be more obvious that
everyone talking to him is just

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trying to coach him into saying
what they want him to say

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they’re like.
Me off so bad.

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Super leading the witness.
Yeah, they’re like, no, no, no,

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no.
You remember this?

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You want to.
Remember shooting him so

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illegal?
Yeah, and that is the kind of

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shit that held up in court in
this.

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Case hypnotize him, give him a
gun that’s not loaded, and have

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somebody wearing a polka dot
dress walk by.

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For fuck’s sake, dumb asses.
Yeah, try that.

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They won’t.
An expert does come on and say

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the exact same thing, that if
you listen to those tapes,

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they’re clearly trying to lead
him into saying what they want

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him to say.
I had never heard about the

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different handwriting that the
handwriting in the notebooks

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they found doesn’t really match
Sir Han Sir Han’s handwriting

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which.
Courtney Love and Sir Han Sir

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Han doing a lot of forging of
notes.

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Yeah, there’s a Doctor Who was
involved in the trial who said

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he believed the notebooks were
forgeries.

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And then they get to talking to
the medical examiner, who seems

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like he was a bigger deal in
this story back when it

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happened, and history has sort
of forgotten about him.

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But that’s a man of science who
is like, no, no, no, no, no.

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He was shot right behind the
ear.

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He was shot right here.
Oh, the corner guy, Yeah, I like

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that guy a lot.
I really thought that guy was.

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I like to go.
I got I got no sense of fuckery

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coming from him, no.
No, he didn’t seem like anyone

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was like in his ear paying him
off.

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Which probably explains why he
got fired very shortly.

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But there was someone in
Kennedy’s ear, you know what I’m

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saying?
There’s a gun.

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That’s somebody, but no way.
Side note, I kind of think that

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handwriting shit is bullshit.
Like of all the things that

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people analyze, people are so
insistent that handwriting stuff

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is like so clear and I just
never see real examples of it.

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My handwriting looks different
every single time I write any

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word.
All amount of effort I put into

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it, you know.
No, I’ve barely signed my name

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the same Yeah way.
I think it’s bullshit, just

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saying.
That said, the Courtney Love

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handwriting thing is nuts.
That thing that isn’t fucking, I

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tell that to everybody.
That’s different.

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Know this?
Is it different?

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Her her lawyer found a piece of
paper with her practicing Kurt’s

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handwriting on it like fell out
of her purse during a meeting he

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had with her.
Oh no.

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Yeah, and if you look at his
suicide note, the writing at the

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end is 1, the only part that
sounds like a suicide note and

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it looks like completely
different handwriting.

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Really weird.
Yeah, anyway.

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Anyways.
Carl Euchre, Let’s talk about

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this guy.
I think I think L Duche killed

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Robert F Kennedy from the
Mentors.

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With a train, yeah.
So Carl Euchre, he is a pretty

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important figure in this.
I think he’s the guy I’m always

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talking about.
When I mentioned that there is

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this A&E documentary about the
RFK assassination, that also

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suggests that Sir Han, Sir Han
didn’t do it.

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And they have this clip where
someone is talking to this

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witness and just trying to get
this witness to say, oh, yeah,

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he was like behind him in
shooting or whatever.

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And the guy just keeps saying,
no, he was like about as far

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from you as I am right now.
And he was shooting straight

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ahead.
And I think that clip comes from

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this documentary.
And it’s the filmmaker talking

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to a guy named Carl Euchre, who
was an employee at the

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Ambassador Hotel, and he never
wavers in what he’s saying.

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It’s just Nope, He was right in
front of him, firing straight

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ahead and so.
They asked me about the girl in

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the polka dot dress and he said
euchre.

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I barely know her.
Right.

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And so, yeah, he weirdly is the
prosecution star witness, but

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also his testimony kind of
refutes their version of events.

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They really like square peg,
round hold this thing and just

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jammed it in and just like
decided on an official narrative

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and shoved it down our throats.
Like every step of the way

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there’s bumps and questions and
what’s up with that?

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Did they hypnotize the fucking
jury too?

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Yeah.
You you wonder, huh?

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I think that it’s easy to get a
jury to be beaten down, if

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anything, with the same
narrative over and over and over

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again.
Well, especially when it’s like,

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I don’t know, probably a lot of
those people loved Robert

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Kennedy.
He was a very popular figure.

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He was, like, running for
president quite successfully

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when all this happened.
Yeah.

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And I mentioned on an earlier
episode that a lot of these

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files that have been released
are just letters from the

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public.
And so many of them are like,

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why are we even having a trial?
Like it’s.

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Everyone saw it.
There were so many witnesses.

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We know what happened.
Why even spend taxpayer money on

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a trial for this guy?
So I wouldn’t doubt that the

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jury wasn’t the most impartial.
Less rights, more bread, more

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circuses.
So people didn’t want to

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investigate it because they were
like, no, this, this guy just

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did it like we know what
happened, blah, blah.

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Yeah, our long national
nightmare is over kind of thing.

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Like we just fucking can we kill
this guy already and get him out

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of our face.
I think this is what a lot of

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people wanted.
Yeah.

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And also so yeah, like some
degree of, well, the case is

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closed, let’s just move on.
People were not questioning

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every reality they were told
yet.

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Yes.
Yeah, yeah, that was, that was

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not around.
I was like.

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Wait that doesn’t make any sense
to me because of how much

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everyone just comes up with
their own narrative for

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everything now so must have been
nice to have a collective

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thought.
Yeah, a little bit of

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monoculture.
Yeah.

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So, yeah, they talked to the
coroner a whole bunch.

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And he says all of the shots
that hit Kennedy were fired from

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behind.
He said gunpowder would not be

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present if the fatal shot was
fired from 2 feet away because

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that’s the range seems to be
like 1 to 3 inches is how far

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away the shot was fired.
And at one point they

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interviewed one of these cops
and he’s like, no, actually the

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range was like 1 inch to two
feet where it doesn’t say that

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anywhere.
Like you’re just making shit up.

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And like I said, this coroner
ends up getting fired for

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incompetence related to this
autopsy, but it’s also the

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autopsy they used to charge Sir
Han, Sir Han with murder.

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So how incompetent could it have
been?

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I think this guy got fired for
talking probably.

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The didn’t he get reinstated
towards the end of the the

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thing?
The coroner?

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Oh, did he?
I believe he did, which was a

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nice happy ending because I did
like that guy and I think.

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They fired him, hypnotized him,
rehired him.

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Now watched that pesky brain.
You got to do an HR thing.

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We need you to watch a video.
You do a chair and you watch

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this film.
And if you don’t, we’re going to

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find another Palestinian guy to
kill you.

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I was thinking about it.
Of course they use the if you’re

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going to brainwash someone for a
political assassination, of

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course you want to do it to
somebody who’s comes from a

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country that has no UN voting
rights, you know?

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Yeah.
Yeah, no, it makes an

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unfortunate amount of.
Sense it’s yeah, it’s a real

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bummer.
It’s kind of they they’re sort

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of like a burner phones for
human beings to to the evil.

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Oh gosh.
I mean, isn’t that what happened

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to fucking poor Sir Han?
Sir Han back in his country?

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His name was Sir Han, Sir Han,
Sir Han, but they changed it at

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Ellis Island.
Oh, my sick nation.

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We’re doomed.
So at this point in the

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documentary, they get into
talking about the security guard

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fame Eugene Cesar.
He was one of the guards

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escorting Kennedy through the
kitchen.

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And the thing about the bullets
that hit Kennedy, the trajectory

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is all wrong.
They’re all coming from down and

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shooting upward.
And Sir Han, Sir Han never was

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in that kind of position.
So that’s one of the reasons

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people have focused on the
stain.

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Eugene Cesar guy.
He also had a gun that night.

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He’s given conflicting
statements as to when he pulled

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that gun, which that alone is
weird to me.

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It seems like something you’d
remember, Yeah, but if I threw

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an eggs at Tom Brady during the
Super Bowl is I’d be like, I

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threw exactly 3 eggs.
I would remember how many you

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know.
Yeah, and the filmmaker actually

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00:23:48,440 –> 00:23:53,080
interviews this guy and gets him
to say that at one point he was

437
00:23:53,120 –> 00:23:55,440
on the ground with his gun
pulled.

438
00:23:55,520 –> 00:23:58,480
And that’s really important
because what he told

439
00:23:58,480 –> 00:24:02,240
investigators was that he didn’t
pull his gun until after he got

440
00:24:02,240 –> 00:24:07,920
back up after falling.
So I kind of wonder if this is

441
00:24:08,040 –> 00:24:13,240
along the same lines as my fave
JFK assassination theory.

442
00:24:14,320 –> 00:24:17,000
The accidental bullet.
That he got shot on accident,

443
00:24:17,280 –> 00:24:20,560
Like maybe this guy fell back
and accidentally fired, but even

444
00:24:20,560 –> 00:24:24,000
then, how do you get like point
blank range to fire the shot

445
00:24:24,000 –> 00:24:26,600
that killed him?
But I could see this guy, if he

446
00:24:26,600 –> 00:24:30,400
like fell backwards and had his
gun pulled already, he would

447
00:24:30,400 –> 00:24:32,480
accidentally fire.
But they actually ask him that

448
00:24:32,480 –> 00:24:34,480
and he’s like Nope, I would had
to do it on purpose.

449
00:24:34,680 –> 00:24:35,880
I did that.
Yeah, he said.

450
00:24:35,880 –> 00:24:37,760
Gun wasn’t cock.
I would had to pull the trigger

451
00:24:37,760 –> 00:24:41,280
pretty hard, you know.
Yeah, which I mean, that was

452
00:24:42,160 –> 00:24:43,880
best excuse he had the whole
movie, but.

453
00:24:44,520 –> 00:24:46,880
Yeah, not super convincing,
yeah.

454
00:24:47,400 –> 00:24:50,760
I love how much of this
investigation just defies

455
00:24:50,760 –> 00:24:54,760
physics at all costs.
Yeah, yeah, it actually reminds

456
00:24:54,760 –> 00:24:59,760
me of the Kurt Cobain death a
little bit, because all of the

457
00:24:59,760 –> 00:25:03,920
most damning shit when it comes
to the idea that he was murdered

458
00:25:04,000 –> 00:25:07,480
is all like forensic evidence
and like scientific evidence and

459
00:25:07,480 –> 00:25:09,800
crime scene evidence.
It’s not like circumstantial

460
00:25:09,800 –> 00:25:11,280
shit.
It’s like if you had this much

461
00:25:11,280 –> 00:25:13,720
heroin in your system, you
couldn’t hold a shotgun like

462
00:25:13,720 –> 00:25:16,320
this and fire it with your foot.
Yeah, You know, it’s just

463
00:25:16,320 –> 00:25:18,720
logistically impossible on a
biological level.

464
00:25:18,800 –> 00:25:23,480
The location of the shotgun
shell, it should have been on

465
00:25:23,520 –> 00:25:27,040
the other side of his body based
on how he would have been

466
00:25:27,040 –> 00:25:28,720
holding the gun when it was
fired.

467
00:25:28,800 –> 00:25:32,600
So the fact that it’s on the
opposite opposite side kind of

468
00:25:32,600 –> 00:25:35,400
implies it hit something and
then bounced over.

469
00:25:35,440 –> 00:25:38,320
So what did it hit?
Was it someone who was fucking

470
00:25:38,320 –> 00:25:40,040
murdering him?
Do you think that Courtney

471
00:25:40,040 –> 00:25:42,480
killed him?
I don’t think she pulled the

472
00:25:42,480 –> 00:25:45,280
trigger, but I think she was
involved.

473
00:25:46,720 –> 00:25:49,560
And it’s kind of like why it
sort of makes sense that Puffy

474
00:25:49,560 –> 00:25:52,280
killed Biggie because it’s like,
who stands the most to profit

475
00:25:52,280 –> 00:25:53,480
from?
Like you could profit from his

476
00:25:53,480 –> 00:25:56,480
death in perpetuity.
Like at that point you already

477
00:25:56,480 –> 00:25:58,280
knew the guy was going to be a
T-shirt forever.

478
00:25:58,360 –> 00:26:02,000
I don’t really know much about
Kurt Cobain’s death or like any

479
00:26:02,000 –> 00:26:04,920
of that in general, but I just,
I’m curious because it seems

480
00:26:04,920 –> 00:26:09,080
like everybody kind of just
assumes that she was involved if

481
00:26:09,080 –> 00:26:11,800
they know anything about it.
I’m very reticent to believe

482
00:26:11,800 –> 00:26:16,280
like a woman hating conspiracy
without like some proper

483
00:26:16,640 –> 00:26:18,560
evidence.
But like I remember when we

484
00:26:18,560 –> 00:26:22,120
looked into it really deep quite
a few years ago, it was, it was

485
00:26:22,120 –> 00:26:24,840
just a lot of shit that I would
like just did not have an

486
00:26:24,840 –> 00:26:27,080
answer.
For things, yeah, yeah, no, I

487
00:26:27,080 –> 00:26:28,720
have no idea.
I have no idea at all.

488
00:26:28,720 –> 00:26:31,520
But it just seems like.
So, you know, I don’t want, I’m

489
00:26:31,680 –> 00:26:33,240
going to go around accusing her
of murder.

490
00:26:33,240 –> 00:26:36,800
But I’m just wondering how much
of anything could be hypnotism

491
00:26:36,800 –> 00:26:38,000
at this point.
I’m so.

492
00:26:39,880 –> 00:26:42,720
Me and Adam are both OPS.
We’re just doing this to keep

493
00:26:42,720 –> 00:26:44,400
you from actually starting a
real insurrection.

494
00:26:44,400 –> 00:26:47,000
Make it some real change.
Don’t give me psychosis right

495
00:26:47,000 –> 00:26:52,200
now, Connor.
There are suggestions that

496
00:26:52,200 –> 00:26:55,640
Courtney Love was like attached
to MK Ultra.

497
00:26:56,000 –> 00:26:58,480
She kind of fucked up on another
music scene before she got

498
00:26:58,480 –> 00:27:02,000
involved with grunge, right?
There’s a few music scenes that

499
00:27:02,000 –> 00:27:05,480
she pops up at when they’re
starting to get huge, which that

500
00:27:05,480 –> 00:27:07,680
part is weird.
That is weird.

501
00:27:08,040 –> 00:27:11,000
But there’s also this thing
where one point her family just

502
00:27:11,000 –> 00:27:14,160
sent her to live with her
psychiatrist in Australia for a

503
00:27:14,160 –> 00:27:17,720
few months and it’s a
psychiatrist who’s like tied to

504
00:27:17,720 –> 00:27:20,440
MK Ultra and shit.
It’s very strange.

505
00:27:20,440 –> 00:27:22,080
She.
Seems like an actress playing a

506
00:27:22,080 –> 00:27:24,960
role all the time is what I
think about her in general,

507
00:27:25,040 –> 00:27:26,640
yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

508
00:27:26,640 –> 00:27:29,680
And she figured out how to play,
you know, Kurt’s dream woman, I

509
00:27:29,680 –> 00:27:31,160
guess.
Yeah, I guess.

510
00:27:31,400 –> 00:27:34,640
There’s a documentary called
Soaked in Bleach on, I think

511
00:27:34,640 –> 00:27:37,800
it’s on HBO about Kurt Cobain’s
death.

512
00:27:37,880 –> 00:27:42,480
And what I like about it is it
mostly just focuses on the crime

513
00:27:42,480 –> 00:27:45,160
scene and how weird all of that
is.

514
00:27:45,200 –> 00:27:48,040
And then that’s also where the
handwriting thing with Courtney

515
00:27:48,040 –> 00:27:52,560
Love comes up, where they’re
interviewing their entertainment

516
00:27:52,560 –> 00:27:55,280
lawyer and she’s like, and I
think Courtney Love did that

517
00:27:55,280 –> 00:27:56,800
shit.
But you’re, you’re right on just

518
00:27:56,800 –> 00:27:59,520
on a level of bullet
trajectories and powder burns,

519
00:27:59,520 –> 00:28:02,160
it’s very similar because it’s
just the shit does not add up on

520
00:28:02,160 –> 00:28:04,800
a material level in any way.
Yeah, exactly.

521
00:28:04,880 –> 00:28:10,120
And so there’s a witness who
says the guard behind Kennedy

522
00:28:10,200 –> 00:28:12,640
returned fire.
And what’s interesting about

523
00:28:12,640 –> 00:28:16,760
this guy is he seems like the
only person who actually saw the

524
00:28:16,760 –> 00:28:19,680
security guard pull this gun,
which is nuts to me.

525
00:28:19,800 –> 00:28:22,640
But it does make sense.
If Sir Han, Sir Han starts

526
00:28:22,640 –> 00:28:24,280
shooting, you’re going to look
there.

527
00:28:24,440 –> 00:28:26,720
Yeah, there’s a big kerfuffle
going on, Yeah.

528
00:28:26,840 –> 00:28:29,720
So that this one guy managed to
see it.

529
00:28:29,880 –> 00:28:32,640
That’s interesting.
But I believe him like his

530
00:28:32,640 –> 00:28:34,600
story.
They talked to him in this

531
00:28:34,600 –> 00:28:36,400
documentary and he’s very
believable.

532
00:28:36,400 –> 00:28:39,520
He’s like no, no, that’s
security guard right behind.

533
00:28:39,680 –> 00:28:43,320
Kennedy returned fire and the
security guard says he didn’t,

534
00:28:43,320 –> 00:28:45,800
which that’s weird.
Why didn’t you?

535
00:28:45,800 –> 00:28:48,720
For one thing, he.
Also sold the gun he used to a

536
00:28:48,960 –> 00:28:51,240
friend upstate like a year
after.

537
00:28:51,760 –> 00:28:55,000
And does it come up in the
documentary that when he sold

538
00:28:55,000 –> 00:28:58,320
the gun he told the guy it had
been used to commit a crime?

539
00:28:58,480 –> 00:29:02,080
I don’t recall.
I was looking into this guy like

540
00:29:02,080 –> 00:29:03,720
what happened after the
documentary.

541
00:29:03,720 –> 00:29:05,240
For one thing, he moved to the
Philippines.

542
00:29:05,440 –> 00:29:08,160
But.
Always, always a totally normal

543
00:29:08,160 –> 00:29:10,200
sign that everything’s perfectly
chill.

544
00:29:10,720 –> 00:29:12,760
Just leave the country fully.
Yeah, totally.

545
00:29:12,920 –> 00:29:15,200
Yeah, some place that doesn’t
extradite to the US.

546
00:29:15,840 –> 00:29:21,800
Normal and yeah he apparently
when he sold this gun was like

547
00:29:22,600 –> 00:29:26,320
just heads up spin Houston crime
so make which imagine hearing

548
00:29:26,320 –> 00:29:28,160
that and being like all right
there’s your there’s.

549
00:29:28,520 –> 00:29:30,720
Your government not keep it?
The fuck?

550
00:29:30,920 –> 00:29:33,360
No wonder I’m getting a deal.
Also also.

551
00:29:33,360 –> 00:29:35,160
Honey, check out my new crime
gun.

552
00:29:35,760 –> 00:29:39,200
About how many people are in
this room that this happened in

553
00:29:39,200 –> 00:29:42,040
total, do we think?
It seemed like maybe close to

554
00:29:42,120 –> 00:29:43,960
100.
It was pretty packed.

555
00:29:44,120 –> 00:29:47,080
OK, in the in the ballroom or in
the pantry where he got shot?

556
00:29:47,120 –> 00:29:49,720
Where he got shot in the pantry?
Because I was going to say, I

557
00:29:49,720 –> 00:29:51,320
thought.
There was like between 8:00 and

558
00:29:51,320 –> 00:29:53,400
12:00 in the pantry.
If I understand correct, I think

559
00:29:53,400 –> 00:29:55,920
it was like, yeah, like 1020
people maybe.

560
00:29:56,000 –> 00:30:00,320
Yeah, 25% of people are
difficult to hypnotize.

561
00:30:02,040 –> 00:30:04,400
So how many out of the 10?
And there are 12 people.

562
00:30:04,400 –> 00:30:08,080
The other fifteen were all just
playing the role.

563
00:30:08,200 –> 00:30:11,520
Yeah, maybe.
The guy that fucking saw said he

564
00:30:11,520 –> 00:30:13,640
saw what happened, left the
country.

565
00:30:13,640 –> 00:30:16,440
That’s so, that’s so.
Oh, we can’t hypnotize you.

566
00:30:16,640 –> 00:30:18,160
Get out, we’ll pay you.
Well, no.

567
00:30:18,160 –> 00:30:21,040
That’s the guy that people think
shot him is the one who left the

568
00:30:21,040 –> 00:30:22,360
country.
Oh, OK.

569
00:30:22,640 –> 00:30:24,560
The guy who sold the gun.
Right, right, right.

570
00:30:25,080 –> 00:30:26,680
The security guard who sold the
gun.

571
00:30:26,880 –> 00:30:29,760
That the guy saw him firing, but
he claims he didn’t fire because

572
00:30:29,760 –> 00:30:32,360
he never cocked his gun and it’s
really it’s hard to shoot a gun

573
00:30:32,360 –> 00:30:33,720
that’s not cocked.
Apparently so.

574
00:30:35,600 –> 00:30:39,320
I’m like imagining a situation
where people, somebody like had

575
00:30:39,320 –> 00:30:43,520
the click Adam Sandler
capability of every gun, shoots

576
00:30:43,520 –> 00:30:45,560
it in every direction and
presses play again.

577
00:30:47,880 –> 00:30:52,560
This same witness, he gave a
statement like 15 minutes after

578
00:30:52,560 –> 00:30:56,440
Kennedy was shot and he said
that Kennedy was shot three

579
00:30:56,440 –> 00:31:01,360
times and after the third shot,
the guard started returning fire

580
00:31:01,440 –> 00:31:07,240
and a thing happens to him that
you see a lot in this where

581
00:31:07,320 –> 00:31:11,360
police, I don’t know if it’s the
LAPDFBIA combination of both,

582
00:31:11,360 –> 00:31:15,920
probably will get these people
in a room and their entire goal

583
00:31:15,920 –> 00:31:19,240
is OK, you didn’t actually see
what you saw.

584
00:31:19,360 –> 00:31:21,560
So that’s how this interview was
going to go.

585
00:31:21,560 –> 00:31:24,720
We’re going to get you to say
you didn’t actually see it.

586
00:31:24,800 –> 00:31:26,680
And that happens to this guy
too.

587
00:31:26,680 –> 00:31:31,240
He like a bunch of different
times police, the FBI are like,

588
00:31:31,320 –> 00:31:34,240
Nah, that’s not what you saw
though, really, right.

589
00:31:34,240 –> 00:31:37,080
That’s you didn’t see that you
saw something else and it’s I

590
00:31:37,080 –> 00:31:39,080
think pretty see.
I don’t know.

591
00:31:39,080 –> 00:31:42,760
Is that a cover up or is that
them being like we’re fucking

592
00:31:42,760 –> 00:31:44,560
done with this.
We solved it.

593
00:31:45,160 –> 00:31:49,240
It’s you do wonder, in a lot of
conspiracy the show episodes

594
00:31:49,240 –> 00:31:52,880
what is malicious and what is
just like lazy incompetence.

595
00:31:53,000 –> 00:31:58,040
Yeah, when it comes to matters
of killing a really sort of

596
00:31:58,040 –> 00:32:02,040
genuinely left wing political
candidate, I would, I would just

597
00:32:02,120 –> 00:32:04,000
guess malicious.
That’s, that’s, that’s when you

598
00:32:04,000 –> 00:32:06,840
really break out the hypnotizing
and all the fucking big guns

599
00:32:07,120 –> 00:32:09,720
when you got a guy who’s
actually the fucking white

600
00:32:09,720 –> 00:32:11,520
Gandhi over here doing all this
fucking shit.

601
00:32:11,640 –> 00:32:15,440
And you wouldn’t want to be
sloppy about an investigation

602
00:32:15,440 –> 00:32:17,880
like this unless you wanted to
be sloppy about it.

603
00:32:18,240 –> 00:32:20,440
Yeah, they want to be confusing
on purpose.

604
00:32:20,600 –> 00:32:25,320
Yeah, yeah.
And an investigator on the side

605
00:32:25,320 –> 00:32:29,440
of the official explanation says
he looked for evidence of anyone

606
00:32:29,440 –> 00:32:32,240
having, like, right wing
leanings in the kitchen or

607
00:32:32,240 –> 00:32:34,840
pantry that night and claims
they found nothing.

608
00:32:34,920 –> 00:32:38,200
And so then this filmmaker cuts
to an interview with Feign.

609
00:32:38,200 –> 00:32:41,360
Eugene Cesar.
The most racist monologue.

610
00:32:41,880 –> 00:32:45,080
He says, I definitely wouldn’t
have voted for Bobby Kennedy

611
00:32:45,320 –> 00:32:47,760
because he had the same ideas as
John did.

612
00:32:48,040 –> 00:32:50,680
And I think John sold the
country down the road.

613
00:32:50,960 –> 00:32:53,560
He gave it to the commies.
He gave it to whoever he wanted

614
00:32:53,560 –> 00:32:55,520
to.
He literally he gave it to the

615
00:32:55,520 –> 00:32:57,960
minority.
The minority.

616
00:32:59,240 –> 00:33:02,520
The minority.
Not even like the black man or

617
00:33:02,520 –> 00:33:06,160
with the the brown the minority.
Yeah, God.

618
00:33:06,600 –> 00:33:09,640
They are one monolith, all non
white people.

619
00:33:09,760 –> 00:33:13,640
All equally inferior to our
pasty dominance.

620
00:33:14,520 –> 00:33:18,640
Man, he also said he worked for
the George Wallace campaign and

621
00:33:18,640 –> 00:33:22,000
then he just like straight up
starts advocating for a race

622
00:33:22,000 –> 00:33:24,320
war.
He’s just.

623
00:33:24,320 –> 00:33:25,560
Very skelter.
Skelter, yeah.

624
00:33:26,640 –> 00:33:31,320
And this guy one was never
called to testify in the trial

625
00:33:31,400 –> 00:33:33,880
because he asked not to be.
And they were like cool.

626
00:33:33,960 –> 00:33:36,840
Of course.
Also his gun was never taken.

627
00:33:36,920 –> 00:33:39,560
Like we already mentioned, he
sold this gun.

628
00:33:39,560 –> 00:33:41,280
It’s.
So weird.

629
00:33:41,680 –> 00:33:45,200
When he was interviewed about
it, he told the police that he

630
00:33:45,200 –> 00:33:48,840
sold it in February, months
before the assassination.

631
00:33:48,880 –> 00:33:53,000
He actually sold it in
September, so it was after the

632
00:33:53,000 –> 00:33:55,120
assassination.
So he lied about when he sold

633
00:33:55,120 –> 00:33:57,920
the gun and the police never
took his gun?

634
00:33:58,280 –> 00:34:00,600
I didn’t realize the police
didn’t even take Sir Han Sir

635
00:34:00,600 –> 00:34:04,400
Hans gun at first.
Imagine there’s all these

636
00:34:04,400 –> 00:34:08,320
bullets everywhere and they’re
like, like, like, Oh no, just

637
00:34:08,320 –> 00:34:09,600
keep your gun hold, hang on to
it.

638
00:34:10,080 –> 00:34:14,120
Yeah, Olympic athlete Rafer
Johnson took Sir Han Sir Han’s

639
00:34:14,120 –> 00:34:16,719
gun out of the hotel that night.
What?

640
00:34:16,960 –> 00:34:18,960
How?
That’s again intentionally

641
00:34:18,960 –> 00:34:21,280
confusing.
I bet she didn’t even pick the

642
00:34:21,280 –> 00:34:25,400
shit up with a tissue to
particularly that had any prints

643
00:34:25,400 –> 00:34:29,639
and shit, you know what I mean?
And that part actually reminds

644
00:34:29,639 –> 00:34:32,960
me of John Lennon.
We’ve had a guy on a couple

645
00:34:32,960 –> 00:34:36,440
times, a guy named David Whelan,
who has, he wrote a really good

646
00:34:36,440 –> 00:34:39,880
book about the John Lennon
murder.

647
00:34:39,960 –> 00:34:42,840
And you see that with a John
Lennon murder too.

648
00:34:42,840 –> 00:34:46,280
One of the witnesses is like,
well, the first thing I did is

649
00:34:46,280 –> 00:34:49,360
pick up the gun and took it to
another room and put it in a

650
00:34:49,360 –> 00:34:51,320
drawer.
And it’s like, what?

651
00:34:51,400 –> 00:34:55,760
How, Like, why would you fucking
take the gun away from the scene

652
00:34:55,760 –> 00:34:58,480
and put it in a drawer?
That makes no fucking sense.

653
00:34:58,600 –> 00:35:01,080
Like, you wait for the police to
show up and do that kind of

654
00:35:01,080 –> 00:35:02,920
shit.
And it happens here too, where

655
00:35:02,920 –> 00:35:04,960
someone’s just like, yeah, I
took the gun out of there.

656
00:35:05,520 –> 00:35:09,120
People think that guns are just
shooting, so they’ve got to put

657
00:35:09,120 –> 00:35:11,800
them somewhere else.
Yeah, don’t get it.

658
00:35:13,000 –> 00:35:16,760
Yeah, that no one seems to like
this is like the one day, if I

659
00:35:16,760 –> 00:35:19,640
was a security guard, I’d
actually try to do my job.

660
00:35:20,040 –> 00:35:21,680
I’d be fucking off every single
other day.

661
00:35:21,680 –> 00:35:23,520
The night Bobby Kennedy got
shot, like, oh shit, I got to

662
00:35:23,520 –> 00:35:29,240
write a report.
Yeah, and especially after JFK

663
00:35:29,280 –> 00:35:32,240
has already been shot.
If only to keep the annoying

664
00:35:32,240 –> 00:35:34,200
conspiracy theorists like us off
your ass.

665
00:35:34,200 –> 00:35:36,600
You want to be answering weird
questions for me and Adam for

666
00:35:36,600 –> 00:35:39,840
the rest of your life.
Yeah, now here you are.

667
00:35:40,200 –> 00:35:43,160
The F stand for.
It’s Gerald, right?

668
00:35:43,160 –> 00:35:43,840
It’s.
Gerald Yeah.

669
00:35:44,240 –> 00:35:46,640
Is it the same?
Wait, we both had the same?

670
00:35:46,720 –> 00:35:50,080
That’s kind of cute.
Do they have the same I?

671
00:35:50,200 –> 00:35:51,560
Never thought about it.
Oh.

672
00:35:51,560 –> 00:35:52,880
Francis.
It’s Francis.

673
00:35:52,880 –> 00:35:56,600
Another fucking Irish name, OK.
Francis Francis.

674
00:35:57,320 –> 00:36:01,080
Oh, Francis.
So one of the things I found

675
00:36:01,160 –> 00:36:04,520
really interesting, they very
briefly do mention something

676
00:36:04,520 –> 00:36:07,600
that history has brought up a
lot about this, which is that

677
00:36:07,600 –> 00:36:10,480
there’s 12 bullet holes in the
kitchen and Sir Han, Sir Han’s

678
00:36:10,480 –> 00:36:14,280
gun only held 8 bullets.
So someone else was fucking

679
00:36:14,280 –> 00:36:17,720
shooting in that.
But everybody keep their guns.

680
00:36:17,720 –> 00:36:19,560
We don’t need to look at them.
Nope.

681
00:36:19,800 –> 00:36:22,560
Nope, it’s fine.
Hang out of those things.

682
00:36:22,760 –> 00:36:27,440
But I found the People’s Exhibit
55 thing that they brought up

683
00:36:27,800 –> 00:36:31,040
really interesting.
This somehow was completely

684
00:36:31,040 –> 00:36:35,320
missed by the defense lawyers.
It was missed by the judge.

685
00:36:35,440 –> 00:36:40,800
But at one point they introduced
evidence of bullets that were

686
00:36:40,800 –> 00:36:45,680
tested that are said to match
the gun Sir Han Sir Han used.

687
00:36:45,800 –> 00:36:49,960
And somehow only this fucking
filmmaker notices.

688
00:36:50,040 –> 00:36:53,960
Yeah, it’s the same kind of gun,
but they have different serial

689
00:36:53,960 –> 00:36:55,960
numbers, so they’re different
guns.

690
00:36:55,960 –> 00:36:59,880
That those bullets weren’t fired
by the gun Sir Han Sir Han used,

691
00:36:59,880 –> 00:37:02,360
but it was presented that way in
court.

692
00:37:02,400 –> 00:37:06,640
As if, yeah, these bullets match
what we fired from his gun, but

693
00:37:06,640 –> 00:37:10,160
they were actually firing a
different gun, which has since

694
00:37:10,160 –> 00:37:11,680
been destroyed.
That’s weird.

695
00:37:12,000 –> 00:37:13,680
Yeah, that was a pretty
fascinating sequence.

696
00:37:13,680 –> 00:37:16,560
That gun, OK.
Yeah, the, the amount of bullet

697
00:37:16,560 –> 00:37:19,760
forensics that you’re able to
do, they like, they like roll

698
00:37:19,760 –> 00:37:22,520
this bullet along like a piece
of clay or something so that you

699
00:37:22,520 –> 00:37:25,440
get like a three-dimensional
topographical map of all the

700
00:37:25,440 –> 00:37:28,200
little permeations along the
shell created by the rifling in

701
00:37:28,200 –> 00:37:29,840
the barrel.
And it’s like this like

702
00:37:29,840 –> 00:37:31,440
literally like a bullet
footprint.

703
00:37:31,680 –> 00:37:34,160
So they they show you like
beyond the shadow of a doubt

704
00:37:34,160 –> 00:37:36,880
that this is like not the same
fucking firearm.

705
00:37:36,920 –> 00:37:41,160
Yeah, And I’m not a Ballistics
expert, but I could just look at

706
00:37:41,160 –> 00:37:44,000
those pictures and see that they
weren’t the same bullet they

707
00:37:44,000 –> 00:37:45,560
looked.
Yeah, once they once they kind

708
00:37:45,560 –> 00:37:48,160
of lined up the the significant
parts, you’d be like, Oh yeah,

709
00:37:48,160 –> 00:37:50,000
that’s the OK, that’s a
different bullet, but there’s

710
00:37:50,000 –> 00:37:52,440
the same gun, the same major
patterns, you know, and.

711
00:37:52,680 –> 00:37:56,360
I love that at one point when
reporters are firing these

712
00:37:56,360 –> 00:37:59,760
questions off to the police, one
of the cops they’re talking to

713
00:37:59,760 –> 00:38:02,680
is like, yeah, I mean, it’s not
really even normal to take a

714
00:38:02,680 –> 00:38:05,520
picture of a bullet in a
situation like that.

715
00:38:05,560 –> 00:38:08,920
And then the filmmaker just
jumps in and is like, well, then

716
00:38:08,920 –> 00:38:12,720
why did this company make a very
expensive camera for that exact

717
00:38:12,720 –> 00:38:14,720
purpose months before this
happened?

718
00:38:14,800 –> 00:38:17,480
It’s like, of course you take
pictures of shit like that and

719
00:38:17,840 –> 00:38:20,800
see, I think that part, how is
that not suspicious?

720
00:38:20,800 –> 00:38:22,480
Like so.
Suspicious.

721
00:38:22,480 –> 00:38:24,720
That’s that’s like stuff where
it’s like we still don’t know

722
00:38:24,720 –> 00:38:27,360
where JF KS brain is.
Fuck you, you lost the

723
00:38:27,360 –> 00:38:29,480
president’s brain.
Eat shit, you lost it.

724
00:38:29,480 –> 00:38:31,360
Fuck you.
No fucking way you lost the

725
00:38:31,360 –> 00:38:32,520
president.
‘S brain.

726
00:38:33,720 –> 00:38:36,520
Yeah.
Come on, Pinky never lost the

727
00:38:36,520 –> 00:38:40,480
goddamn brain.
Oh, when I put that thing.

728
00:38:41,080 –> 00:38:46,480
And yeah, this other gun was
never tested by the LAPD.

729
00:38:46,520 –> 00:38:50,520
And it seems like this was a big
deal in the media at the time

730
00:38:50,800 –> 00:38:54,240
and it’s just been sort of lost
to history, which there’s so

731
00:38:54,480 –> 00:38:56,480
stuff like that is so
fascinating to me.

732
00:38:56,560 –> 00:38:59,200
It was kind of, it was kind of
crazy to see like a really sort

733
00:38:59,200 –> 00:39:01,600
of sprawling documentary made
about this.

734
00:39:01,640 –> 00:39:04,920
Because I feel like we just
don’t really, it’s the territory

735
00:39:04,920 –> 00:39:07,240
of like the YouTube nuts at this
point in time.

736
00:39:07,240 –> 00:39:08,560
You know, it’s an Infowars
thing.

737
00:39:08,560 –> 00:39:11,280
It’s like this is some guy who’s
just going to make his own loose

738
00:39:11,280 –> 00:39:13,240
change.
Yeah, this would be on Tucker

739
00:39:13,240 –> 00:39:16,440
Carlson now.
Yeah, in a segment called bullet

740
00:39:16,440 –> 00:39:21,280
points, so.
And RFK Junior is 1 of like the

741
00:39:21,280 –> 00:39:25,200
biggest proponents of the idea
that RFK was killed by someone

742
00:39:25,200 –> 00:39:28,360
other than Sirhan Sirhan.
So it’s all like there’s an

743
00:39:28,360 –> 00:39:33,000
article we linked to in the show
notes that’s that exact thing.

744
00:39:33,000 –> 00:39:37,560
It’s him being, like, bringing
up these questions about his

745
00:39:37,560 –> 00:39:42,320
dad’s murder in this magazine
article being like, yeah, but we

746
00:39:42,320 –> 00:39:43,880
already know Sir Han.
Sir Han did it.

747
00:39:43,880 –> 00:39:46,840
And also here’s why people
believe conspiracy theories.

748
00:39:46,840 –> 00:39:50,000
And it’s like, this is probably
not a conspiracy theory.

749
00:39:50,120 –> 00:39:52,280
I mean, it is in the technical
sense.

750
00:39:52,280 –> 00:39:54,400
But I think, I think it’s pretty
clear.

751
00:39:54,400 –> 00:39:57,800
Sir Han, Sir Han, at least there
was someone else in the room.

752
00:39:58,320 –> 00:40:01,080
There’s there’s so many things.
If you just took one, if it was

753
00:40:01,080 –> 00:40:05,080
just the 12 bullets in the eight
round magazine, then that’s too

754
00:40:05,080 –> 00:40:08,160
many fucking discrepancies.
If it was just the fucking

755
00:40:08,160 –> 00:40:11,120
melted murder weapon, that is
too many discrepancy.

756
00:40:11,160 –> 00:40:14,600
But it’s all of them.
Yeah, and all the witnesses who

757
00:40:14,600 –> 00:40:18,080
never put Sir Han, Sir Han close
enough to fire that shot.

758
00:40:18,240 –> 00:40:21,280
And the and the two guys who got
cold feet randomly about their

759
00:40:21,400 –> 00:40:24,200
random thing they both randomly
didn’t see at the same time.

760
00:40:24,280 –> 00:40:27,000
Yeah, yeah.
There’s so much that is I’ve

761
00:40:27,240 –> 00:40:30,200
I’ve always said I think this is
the weirder of the two

762
00:40:30,280 –> 00:40:32,520
assassinations.
Weirder, and it’s weirder that

763
00:40:32,520 –> 00:40:36,440
it’s way less talked about.
Yeah, and I mean along those

764
00:40:36,440 –> 00:40:40,680
lines, just think of how big of
a deal it was when Trump

765
00:40:40,680 –> 00:40:43,320
announced he was releasing the
JFK Files.

766
00:40:43,440 –> 00:40:46,760
Everyone lost their shit and he
released these files like 6

767
00:40:46,760 –> 00:40:49,880
weeks ago and no one.
Fucking knows what I’m talking

768
00:40:49,880 –> 00:40:52,040
about if I talk about this.
Yeah, yeah.

769
00:40:52,520 –> 00:40:56,560
It’s insane.
And so they also talked to this

770
00:40:56,560 –> 00:41:00,960
attorney named Godfrey Isaac,
who hired an independent

771
00:41:01,120 –> 00:41:05,920
investigator slash Ballistics
expert who determined that there

772
00:41:05,920 –> 00:41:09,280
were two guns, both 20 twos used
in the shooting.

773
00:41:09,320 –> 00:41:13,560
And he believes none of the
shots fired by Sir Han Sir Han

774
00:41:13,600 –> 00:41:17,480
hit Kennedy because there were
like 5 other people who got hit.

775
00:41:17,520 –> 00:41:21,600
So yeah, it’s, it seems like
everyone who knows even a little

776
00:41:21,600 –> 00:41:25,600
bit about bullets is like, Nope,
Sir Han, Sir Han didn’t do this.

777
00:41:25,680 –> 00:41:30,880
And so, yeah, the the last thing
that comes up is the thing about

778
00:41:30,960 –> 00:41:36,000
this gun that Bain Cesar sold.
Sounds like a Star Wars

779
00:41:36,000 –> 00:41:37,440
character.
Bain, Cesar.

780
00:41:38,120 –> 00:41:40,760
Everyone in this situation has
such a name.

781
00:41:40,880 –> 00:41:44,080
They talked to the person who
bought the gun and he just

782
00:41:44,080 –> 00:41:48,520
confirms yeah it was way after.
Where’s that gun now?

783
00:41:48,760 –> 00:41:49,880
That’s the thing.
How?

784
00:41:50,040 –> 00:41:53,600
Who bought these guns?
How do you even after that,

785
00:41:53,600 –> 00:41:58,000
after the guy, after the guy has
bought the gun, how as the

786
00:41:58,000 –> 00:42:00,920
police are you not like, all
right, give us that gun?

787
00:42:01,200 –> 00:42:03,440
We are.
They’re going to go test it and

788
00:42:03,440 –> 00:42:05,800
see if it was used in any way in
this.

789
00:42:05,880 –> 00:42:10,560
Like it makes no sense unless
they’re actively trying to cover

790
00:42:10,560 –> 00:42:12,600
something up.
Yeah, they’re like, go sell it,

791
00:42:12,600 –> 00:42:14,960
we won’t look.
Lose it, lose it.

792
00:42:14,960 –> 00:42:17,000
Lose.
It and it’s mentioned in this

793
00:42:17,000 –> 00:42:21,720
documentary, all they would have
to do is get that gun and test

794
00:42:21,720 –> 00:42:24,720
it and you could shut everyone
up and they’re like, we don’t

795
00:42:24,720 –> 00:42:27,960
need to like it seems like you
need to though, but that’s kind

796
00:42:27,960 –> 00:42:29,240
of how it ends.
They’re just like, Nah.

797
00:42:29,640 –> 00:42:32,480
OK, girls.
If you keep asking questions,

798
00:42:32,560 –> 00:42:34,760
questions, we’ll just find
another Palestinian guy with

799
00:42:34,960 –> 00:42:36,880
nothing to lose and.
Yeah, yeah.

800
00:42:37,040 –> 00:42:41,280
The ending of this where they’re
kind of presented an answer,

801
00:42:41,360 –> 00:42:44,680
like just test these two guns
and you can shut everyone up and

802
00:42:44,680 –> 00:42:47,760
they don’t do it.
It reminds me of a documentary

803
00:42:47,760 –> 00:42:52,640
out there about a serial killer
named Edward Wayne Edwards.

804
00:42:52,720 –> 00:42:54,680
What’s all this double name
shit?

805
00:42:54,800 –> 00:42:56,400
Yeah, name your kid Edward
Edwards.

806
00:42:57,120 –> 00:43:00,520
Fuck you.
His son, like, in addition to

807
00:43:00,520 –> 00:43:04,360
all the murders we know Edward
Wayne Edwards committed, his son

808
00:43:04,360 –> 00:43:07,560
also thinks he was the Atlanta
child murderer.

809
00:43:07,800 –> 00:43:12,760
He thinks he killed Jimmy Hoffa.
And he’s got like really decent,

810
00:43:12,800 –> 00:43:16,120
like, not evidence, but like
reason to believe those things.

811
00:43:16,160 –> 00:43:19,280
But he also thinks his dad was
the Zodiac killer.

812
00:43:19,360 –> 00:43:23,040
And the way that documentary
ends, he’s like, well, I got my

813
00:43:23,040 –> 00:43:27,000
dad’s DNA and the San Francisco
PD has the Zodiac killer’s DNA.

814
00:43:27,080 –> 00:43:32,160
So what if, what if we just test
them both and compare them and

815
00:43:32,160 –> 00:43:35,800
see if maybe my dad really is
the Zodiac killer and the San

816
00:43:35,800 –> 00:43:38,760
Francisco PD is like, Nah, we’re
not going to do that.

817
00:43:39,040 –> 00:43:41,120
We don’t need to do that.
And I think in that case.

818
00:43:41,120 –> 00:43:44,040
Fucking insane.
I think it’s them not wanting to

819
00:43:44,040 –> 00:43:48,280
be embarrassed knowing, OK, well
he was the Zodiac killer and now

820
00:43:48,280 –> 00:43:50,480
what if he was the Atlanta child
murderer too?

821
00:43:50,520 –> 00:43:53,720
And you just let this
motherfucker go to commit so

822
00:43:53,720 –> 00:43:55,480
many more murders over the
years.

823
00:43:55,600 –> 00:43:58,920
And I think that might be their
only motivation for not wanting

824
00:43:58,960 –> 00:44:01,680
to like.
Why, why, why let the egg on our

825
00:44:01,680 –> 00:44:04,200
face, you know, easier to have
let it be unsolved forever.

826
00:44:04,320 –> 00:44:07,040
Yeah, what a fucking what a
fucking sick House of Cards

827
00:44:07,040 –> 00:44:09,520
we’ve built in this nation.
Nothing works.

828
00:44:09,560 –> 00:44:11,520
It’s.
Just all built on men’s

829
00:44:11,520 –> 00:44:14,080
embarrassment.
No, no shit.

830
00:44:14,160 –> 00:44:18,240
Like it’s, it’s like we’re still
on a, like a, a feudalist level

831
00:44:18,240 –> 00:44:20,680
emotionally.
It’s so bad, it’s so

832
00:44:20,680 –> 00:44:22,560
embarrassing.
It’s it hurts.

833
00:44:22,880 –> 00:44:26,720
And there are so many like
crimes out there where innocent

834
00:44:26,720 –> 00:44:29,920
people went to prison and the
only thing keeping them in

835
00:44:29,920 –> 00:44:33,680
prison is that prosecutor just
doesn’t want to be wrong, so

836
00:44:33,680 –> 00:44:35,600
they’re going to stick to their
fucking story no matter.

837
00:44:36,040 –> 00:44:38,040
God, boys, be wrong.
Just be.

838
00:44:38,040 –> 00:44:40,120
Wrong.
I hate it so.

839
00:44:40,520 –> 00:44:44,200
And that’s how this documentary
ends too, is there’s an

840
00:44:44,200 –> 00:44:46,640
opportunity here.
We could have compared these two

841
00:44:46,640 –> 00:44:50,640
guns way back in the day to see
if maybe someone else was

842
00:44:50,640 –> 00:44:57,320
involved in the police are just
like, no, we are not going to do

843
00:44:57,320 –> 00:44:58,880
that.
And that’s really frustrating

844
00:44:58,880 –> 00:45:00,400
because this was a long fucking
time ago.

845
00:45:00,400 –> 00:45:02,960
Now.
Who knows if any of these guns

846
00:45:02,960 –> 00:45:05,280
even still exist.
Who knows what presidential

847
00:45:05,280 –> 00:45:07,800
library they’re at?
I would think it would be the

848
00:45:07,800 –> 00:45:11,160
exact opposite, like hey, I’m
the new department head.

849
00:45:11,400 –> 00:45:14,280
I’m going to go right the wrongs
of my forefathers and get some

850
00:45:14,280 –> 00:45:18,000
good press for my department.
Yeah, I have an opportunity to

851
00:45:18,000 –> 00:45:20,760
rise from failure here.
That’s how they should look at

852
00:45:20,760 –> 00:45:23,240
it.
And that’s when the members of

853
00:45:23,240 –> 00:45:27,200
your Police Department, who are
also CIA, sit you down and go

854
00:45:27,200 –> 00:45:31,320
look.
Look, we’re going to hypnotize

855
00:45:31,320 –> 00:45:34,600
you.
What is my finger doing right

856
00:45:34,600 –> 00:45:38,280
now?
We got to polka dot another one.

857
00:45:38,640 –> 00:45:44,520
That is 1 of RFK Junior’s claims
is that the division that headed

858
00:45:44,520 –> 00:45:48,680
up the investigation into his
dad’s murder was also like just

859
00:45:48,680 –> 00:45:52,200
filthy with CIA.
Like they were like working for

860
00:45:52,360 –> 00:45:55,000
the LAPD, but they were CIA
also.

861
00:45:55,040 –> 00:45:58,640
And that has to be a thing.
Like I’m sure I I’m I don’t

862
00:45:58,640 –> 00:46:00,800
doubt a.
Big city like Los Angeles.

863
00:46:00,800 –> 00:46:03,040
They must have a CIA presence.
Yeah.

864
00:46:03,080 –> 00:46:05,240
So yeah, I don’t know.
Lord knows the agencies aren’t

865
00:46:05,240 –> 00:46:08,280
going to just talk to each other
because of more stupid macho

866
00:46:08,280 –> 00:46:12,120
shit.
TikTok has started giving me gay

867
00:46:12,320 –> 00:46:17,040
hot cop propaganda as soon as
the pride month came around.

868
00:46:17,080 –> 00:46:20,240
Like it’s like all of a sudden
there’s like hot cops like

869
00:46:20,280 –> 00:46:22,200
making tik Toks and I’m like
sure I.

870
00:46:22,720 –> 00:46:24,280
Don’t like that?
Better be strippers.

871
00:46:24,280 –> 00:46:27,120
That’s all I got to say.
I hope I like was going to their

872
00:46:27,120 –> 00:46:30,080
profiles and trying to see if it
was real or just like a costume

873
00:46:30,080 –> 00:46:32,920
and I could not tell.
Yeah, I don’t know how to tell

874
00:46:32,960 –> 00:46:33,840
either.
Like that?

875
00:46:34,600 –> 00:46:37,840
Yeah, So yeah, I guess I agree
with RFK Junior.

876
00:46:37,840 –> 00:46:39,960
I think someone else killed his
dad.

877
00:46:40,000 –> 00:46:42,000
Broken clocks, right?
Twice a day.

878
00:46:42,280 –> 00:46:44,520
Yep.
So good job dude.

879
00:46:44,680 –> 00:46:48,120
Good job dude.
Think about how cool he could

880
00:46:48,120 –> 00:46:49,680
have turned out if his dad had
lived.

881
00:46:49,920 –> 00:46:51,800
Oh God.
Yeah.

882
00:46:52,000 –> 00:46:56,920
That he’s fucking crazy.
Yeah, instead he’s staging bare

883
00:46:56,920 –> 00:47:00,320
homicides in Central Park in his
fucking 60s.

884
00:47:00,880 –> 00:47:03,960
God I get that is my favorite
detail of that story.

885
00:47:04,000 –> 00:47:07,160
He was in his. 60s in his 60s,
That is insane.

886
00:47:07,240 –> 00:47:08,440
I don’t.
I don’t know if I would have had

887
00:47:08,440 –> 00:47:11,320
enough cum in my balls for that
kind of stunt when I was 23.

888
00:47:11,480 –> 00:47:14,520
Like even if you were in your
40s and did that, I’d be like,

889
00:47:14,520 –> 00:47:16,480
you’re a fucking adult, what are
you doing?

890
00:47:16,920 –> 00:47:21,040
Now Imagine grandpa comes home
and is like Oh my God.

891
00:47:23,080 –> 00:47:24,200
Hey, that’s very able to set
him.

892
00:47:24,640 –> 00:47:25,760
And that’s like.
What’s fine?

893
00:47:26,240 –> 00:47:31,120
In America is like just grandpa
coming home and saying nothing.

894
00:47:33,000 –> 00:47:36,120
So I think that’s our episode.
We’ll link to this documentary

895
00:47:36,240 –> 00:47:38,960
in the show notes if people want
to watch it.

896
00:47:39,200 –> 00:47:42,480
I think it makes a lot of very
compelling points that, if

897
00:47:42,480 –> 00:47:47,160
nothing else, someone else was
firing shots in that pantry.

898
00:47:47,400 –> 00:47:49,840
I would say if you just, if you,
if you were only going to watch

899
00:47:49,840 –> 00:47:53,760
one RFK thing to kind of lay it
out for you, This is a pretty

900
00:47:53,760 –> 00:47:55,440
good it was.
Pretty good.

901
00:47:55,840 –> 00:47:59,160
We’ve, we’ve done a lot of RFK
shows over the years and this,

902
00:47:59,160 –> 00:48:02,440
this really tied it all up in a
bow and, and, and it was really

903
00:48:02,440 –> 00:48:04,960
cool that it did that as a
documentary done at the time.

904
00:48:05,200 –> 00:48:07,240
So it has these sources and
these interviews that are like

905
00:48:07,320 –> 00:48:09,520
close to the events.
Like you could feel that it like

906
00:48:09,720 –> 00:48:11,840
it was possible for them to
solve this and then they got

907
00:48:11,840 –> 00:48:13,040
stymied.
You know, it’s very.

908
00:48:13,040 –> 00:48:17,480
Compelling.
And it’s from that time before

909
00:48:17,480 –> 00:48:21,000
documentaries started trying to
be entertaining.

910
00:48:21,000 –> 00:48:26,320
So you get a lot of information
and I like that you get it in a

911
00:48:26,320 –> 00:48:29,000
very short amount of time.
It’s an hour and 40 minutes.

912
00:48:29,000 –> 00:48:31,680
It’s not 6 fucking episodes.
Can you imagine how many

913
00:48:31,680 –> 00:48:34,800
episodes this would be if it was
a Netflix documentary right now?

914
00:48:34,880 –> 00:48:37,160
Yeah, just and half of it.
Half of it would be spooky

915
00:48:37,160 –> 00:48:39,280
music.
There’s not one music thing in

916
00:48:39,280 –> 00:48:40,720
the whole thing.
It’s very dry.

917
00:48:41,280 –> 00:48:44,200
Yeah, yeah.
It reminds me of Waco Rules of

918
00:48:44,200 –> 00:48:47,880
Engagement, which is also one of
the best conspiracy

919
00:48:47,880 –> 00:48:50,920
documentaries that is also very
dry, very packed with

920
00:48:50,920 –> 00:48:53,720
information, but it’s for the
best got.

921
00:48:53,960 –> 00:48:56,520
To check that out.
And I think that’s our episode.

922
00:48:56,600 –> 00:48:59,360
Connor, Jen, thank you both for
doing the pod.

923
00:48:59,760 –> 00:49:02,880
I appreciate it.
What do we have to plug before

924
00:49:02,880 –> 00:49:07,320
we get out of here?
We have new seasons of You Don’t

925
00:49:07,320 –> 00:49:11,840
Even Like Sports going right now
about Shohei Otani, and you

926
00:49:11,840 –> 00:49:14,640
don’t even like this band.
We’re covering Queens of the

927
00:49:14,640 –> 00:49:18,000
Stone Age right now.
And then just smooth transition

928
00:49:18,000 –> 00:49:22,240
into John Mellencamp after that.
That guy’s such a fucking

929
00:49:22,240 –> 00:49:24,120
character.
So go listen to.

930
00:49:24,120 –> 00:49:26,640
That my dad is in a John
Mellencamp tribute band.

931
00:49:27,240 –> 00:49:30,840
I fucking love John Mellencamp.
Love, love, love.

932
00:49:31,520 –> 00:49:33,640
So yeah, go check that out
wherever podcasts are at.

933
00:49:33,760 –> 00:49:35,440
That’s all I got.
Connor, what do you want to?

934
00:49:35,640 –> 00:49:38,320
Plug Oh Boy, follow me on social
media at Connor Mcspadden the

935
00:49:38,320 –> 00:49:42,880
Cross All platforms and watch my
comedy special live in Tucson on

936
00:49:42,880 –> 00:49:48,320
the youtube.com video site.
And while you’re there,

937
00:49:48,320 –> 00:49:51,400
subscribe to my channel and the
Mean Boys podcast channel so

938
00:49:51,400 –> 00:49:54,440
that you can be up to date when
we do more Mean Boys shows a

939
00:49:54,440 –> 00:49:58,080
cavalcade of comedy fun
monologue jokes, sketches,

940
00:49:58,080 –> 00:49:59,920
games, more.
It’s a good time.

941
00:50:00,080 –> 00:50:02,640
Adam’s been on, think Jen’s been
on back in the day, right?

942
00:50:02,880 –> 00:50:05,160
I have been on back in the day.
You guys should have me back.

943
00:50:05,160 –> 00:50:08,320
That would be fun and awkward.
We only do 10 episodes a year so

944
00:50:08,400 –> 00:50:09,840
so I’m not.
Going to make any promises?

945
00:50:11,680 –> 00:50:13,240
We might not even do any of this
year, I don’t know.

946
00:50:13,240 –> 00:50:15,320
We haven’t talked about it, but
we’ve only done 10A year for the

947
00:50:15,320 –> 00:50:16,720
last two years.
So I just.

948
00:50:16,720 –> 00:50:21,160
It’s a really controversial 1.
Every show with you is

949
00:50:21,160 –> 00:50:24,840
controversial, Jan.
You’re a lightning rod.

950
00:50:25,840 –> 00:50:29,680
Jan, what do you want to plug?
I’m doing my show called Chat at

951
00:50:29,680 –> 00:50:33,280
Elysian.
I believe the dates just got

952
00:50:33,280 –> 00:50:37,680
confirmed for six, 14621 and 79.
Look me for all three of those

953
00:50:37,680 –> 00:50:39,360
shows.
You’re uncomfortable at this.

954
00:50:41,040 –> 00:50:44,360
Open for one of them.
Called my bluff.

955
00:50:45,200 –> 00:50:46,760
You can both open for one of
them.

956
00:50:47,680 –> 00:50:51,240
Anyways, you come to it.
Connor and Adam are opening for

957
00:50:51,240 –> 00:50:54,640
one of them.
And also, I’m trying to do this

958
00:50:54,640 –> 00:50:59,680
show all over.
So if you have a venue that you

959
00:50:59,680 –> 00:51:01,400
want to see me at, please
message me.

960
00:51:01,400 –> 00:51:04,160
I will message that venue and we
will try to figure that out.

961
00:51:04,160 –> 00:51:06,240
And that would be fun.
And follow me on Meet Jen

962
00:51:06,240 –> 00:51:08,920
everywhere.
And I think that’s it.

963
00:51:08,920 –> 00:51:11,960
Let’s get the fuck out of here.
Connor, say goodbye.

964
00:51:12,280 –> 00:51:15,720
Polka dot dress.
Jen, say goodbye.

965
00:51:17,400 –> 00:51:20,200
Bye.
I was going to say something

966
00:51:20,200 –> 00:51:22,040
fucked up and I just decided not
to.

967
00:51:23,040 –> 00:51:24,400
Goodbye everybody, we love you.