Conspiracy! The Show 345: COINTELPRO Pt. 2: The Murder of Fred Hampton

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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to

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Conspiracy the show.
I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown

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joining me as Co host this week.
My favorite Co host of all.

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No Co host but I do have a
fantastic guest who is my Co

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host on another podcast and I
guess technically my Co host on

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this Logan trend.
Hey.

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How’s it going, man?
It’s all good except for you

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know what we’re going to talk
about.

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That’s not good.
That’s the opposite of good.

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It’s bad.
Yeah, I would agree that I think

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what we’re talking about today
is bad.

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I would also, I think for my
money, this might be the most

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overlooked of all of the really
important assassinations of the

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60s.
There were so many, but I feel

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like this one one gets talked
about the least in my low key.

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It’s one of the more important
once we’re talking about the

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murder of Fred Hampton,
everybody.

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If not for Judas and the Black
Messiah, I feel like it would be

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talked about even less.
But even with that movie, I feel

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like in the years after, like it
kind of doesn’t feel like they

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talk enough about that movie.
Yeah, and God damn that’s a good

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movie.
Yeah, no, it’s really good.

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Anyone has not seen it go out
and watch it.

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That’s yeah, that’s what we’re
talking about is the events

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depicted in Judas and the Black
Messiah, which again, murder of

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Fred Hampton, I think, I mean, I
don’t think murder is the right

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word.
Murder is absolutely the right

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word.
This also seems like the most

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blatant.
All right, the government

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obviously killed this guy.
At least there’s mystery with

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RFKJFK, fucking Malcolm XMLK.
There is at least some degree of

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did the government do that?
This.

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It’s just a matter of was it the
FBI and the Chicago PD or just

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the Chicago PD?
Yeah, I’m that we know who did

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this shit.
Yeah.

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Fucking crazy.
This is like the easiest clue

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game ever.
It really is.

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And yeah, this one, I think one
of the especially tragic aspects

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of this is how young Fred
Hampton was.

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He was 21 when the police killed
him.

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That’s crazy.
He got a lot done in 21 years.

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It’s I’m trying to think of so
like David Hogue just was in the

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news because he tried to do some
stuff with the Democrats and

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they rejected him and things.
And I think he’s like 25 now.

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Yeah.
Because it’s been years since

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Parkland and stuff like Fred
Hampton was like way young.

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It’s insane to speak on how
young he was when he was gone

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and just how much work he was
doing at that age.

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And in such a short amount of
time, because it seems like it

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mostly starts sort of in college
almost.

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So even that part, just
fascinating.

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One hell of a speaker.
God damn he could move a fucking

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crowd.
There’s, I mean, we’ll talk

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about once we get more into the
documentary, but there’s a lot

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of frustrating aspects with
certain things that are depicted

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in there in terms of just like
how he speaks versus how like

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half measured and just like kind
of indirect.

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A lot of people have to tiptoe
around their speaking points

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when it comes to issues with
fascism and things.

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Now it is.
And even on the media side, like

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later on, we’re going to have
things where reporters are

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questioning the state’s attorney
and different things.

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And they’re just flat out like
saying, no, I don’t think you’re

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telling the truth right here.
And I can’t imagine, like anyone

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doing that now, like it’s very
rare that you get that on

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anything involving like police
related shootings and stuff.

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It’s like pulling teeth.
Look at the, I mean you

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currently are living in it, but
look at like some of the just

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half assed responses from media
in regards to the LA stuff

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happening with the LAPD and
protesters and things like that.

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Yeah, the LA protest stuff is
very frustrating and a lot of it

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does come down to the media.
And you’re right, you wouldn’t.

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There’s so much that we’ve
covered on this podcast that

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just from a media standpoint not
happen today, like

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investigations, just asking the
government certain questions,

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all of those things.
So much of the media now relies

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on access and oh, if I say the
wrong thing, then they won’t let

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me come to the White House and
listen to press conferences.

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So we got to toe the line.
And it’s like, you really should

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not toe the line.
Not right now, especially.

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It’s even, like, cowardice from,
like, management to, like,

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editorial, like, Oh, yeah,
direction is just being led by

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billionaires in some cases and
in other cases just, you know,

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people who kind of collaborate
with people in power.

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Yeah, Rather than question it.
So.

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But this all happened at a point
in time when people did sort of

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question the government.
This documentary we’re going to

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talk about at one point in the
notes, a documentary from 1971

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about this.
That documentary would be on

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fucking Rumble if it came out
now.

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If it was about something that
happened today, it would be on

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like Tucker Carlson or something
because it’s not the

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government’s official version of
events.

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So it’s a conspiracy theory?
There’s something very real, not

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realistic.
That’s not the word I’m using

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for, but there’s something very
just straightforward in the

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presentation of this stuff.
Like the material.

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There’s not really a narrator
during the documentary, like

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maybe one or two sentences and I
could just picture it like in

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modern days with overbearing
music to like kind of just

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convey moods and maybe just like
cutaways with just a weird

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narrator or other types of weird
reenactments.

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Even though they have the actual
footage and stuff, it just,

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yeah, it would either be very
overly produced in a way that we

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see with like true crime stuff
like on ID Discovery or like

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with Netflix docs, or it would
be this on someone’s YouTube

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channel.
And just like a handful of

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people would be watching it.
And people are like, more people

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need to pay attention to this,
and they’ll be like, he’s not a

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real journalist.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.
So let’s talk about Fred Hampton

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himself, just a little bit.
For people who are unaware, he

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was a civil rights activist, and
that is putting it fucking

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mildly.
He was the chair of the Illinois

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chapter of Black Panther Party
and deputy chairman of the

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National Black Panther Party.
Black Panthers are we talked

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about?
A group that gets frustratingly

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discussed to this day.
The Black Panthers are way up

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there.
There is a I’ll put it in the

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I’ll link to it in the show
notes.

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I know I’ve linked to it before.
But if nothing else, there is

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Apbs documentary about the Black
Panthers that every fucking

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American should watch.
If you have a skewed perception

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of who they were, it will change
that perception.

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But the thing that really
bothers me is you still to this

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day hear people talk about, oh,
they were promoting violence,

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They were pushing violence.
This man got shot twice in the

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head while he was sleeping.
Who’s promoting the violence?

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That doesn’t sound familiar
today.

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Right.
Exactly.

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It’s like that’s another thing
that’s frustrating about this is

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that, like I said it, aside from
like people not holding those in

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power accountable with like
journalism and stuff like that,

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the other thing is just how the
more things change, the more

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they stay the same.
There’s a lot of that.

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Yeah, yeah.
Fred Hampton has a pretty famous

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quote.
We hear him deliver it.

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In this nothing is more
important than stopping fascism,

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because fascism will stop us
all.

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Fuck yeah.
He speaks on that throughout

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this and he also speaks quite
frankly because like, I think a

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lot of times, like people
misconstrue Black Pantherism

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with just pro black rights at
the expense of everybody else’s.

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And he’s very clear, like he
does not hate white people.

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He doesn’t hate black people.
He doesn’t hate brown people.

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He’s like, I just hate
oppressors in any way, shape or

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form.
And he’s very clear that given

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certain circumstances, because
he talks about dictators in

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certain African countries where
it’s like it’s very easy for

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those who become revolutionaries
to become those who are in power

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and abusing that power.
And he points out like Papa Doc

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and like other people like that.
And he’s very clear on that.

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And that’s one of the things,
like you said, like it gets

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really misconstrued with a lot
of messaging with that is it’s

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not just kill Whitey, you know,
it was.

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Yeah.
It’s more like kill the

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oppression that’s kind of
keeping everyone down.

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And he they show a lot of white
people in the audiences for his

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speech.
They had this like little did

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you notice the little kid on
like the dude’s shoulders who’s

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like fist pumping that kid ruled
that kid.

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Was great.
I wonder what he’s doing now.

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It was awesome.
Yeah.

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It.
I mean, Red Hampton formed at

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the Rainbow Coalition.
That’s probably what got him

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killed, if nothing else.
But you’re right.

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Like, that alone speaks to his
mindset on this.

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It wasn’t.
Oh, well, Black people need to

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rise up and be the oppressors or
whatever the fuck people think

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he was talking about.
He was very, very clear.

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And you see it in the
documentary.

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We’re going to talk about that.
Yeah, we’re all being oppressed,

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and we all need to take down the
oppressors.

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And it’s shit like that, that
people are like, he was violent.

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It’s like, I don’t know.
So he was targeted by the FBI as

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part of COINTELPRO starting in
1967.

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There’s a famous quote from J
Edgar Hoover about wanting to

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prevent the rise of a black
Messiah, and he was mostly

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talking about Fred Hampton when
he said that.

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They started tapping Hamptons
mother’s phone in February 1968.

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They placed him in something
called the Agitator Index in May

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of 1968.
That was just a database of

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perceived threats that the FBI
maintained before databases were

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even a thing.
It was just a bunch of fucking

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index cards.
How many we were there?

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Because at some point, that’s
going to be counterproductive.

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It’s like the three decimal
system for people that annoyed

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Edgar Hoover.
It’s just so stupid.

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Which was everybody.
That guy was such a fucking

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creep.
God damn.

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The only funny thing that ever
happened with J Edgar Hoover and

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the FBI is the time Lyndon
Johnson made him spy on the KKK.

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And he was like, what?
Come on, I want to have to do

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that.
So one of the things we should

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talk about, big important detail
when it comes to the murder of

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Fred Hampton that does not come
up in this documentary because I

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think people just did not know
by that point, is William

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O’Neill’s role in this.
If you watch Judas and the Black

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Messiah, the role that Keith
Stanfield plays is the William

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O’Neill role.
He was an FBI informant in he

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had been arrested for car theft
a couple of times and agreed to

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work with the feds in exchange
for having his charges dropped.

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He joined the Black Panther
Party and worked his way up to

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being Fred Hampton’s bodyguard.
The FBI was great at that shit

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in the 60s.
If you watch the Netflix

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documentary about the
assassination of Malcolm X, one

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of Elijah Muhammad’s like right
hand men was an FBI informant,

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like the number 2 in the fucking
organization or something.

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They had I think 10 agents and
or informants in the room when

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Malcolm X died.
They are good at infiltrating

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and they kind of had to be
because they didn’t really hire

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black people.
So what they did with William

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O’Neill is kind of what they had
to do.

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They didn’t.
They couldn’t just send in a

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black FBI agent because it never
dawned on anyone that, hey, we

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should maybe not be so racist in
our hiring practices if we want

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to, you know, spy on people,
people.

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If you blackmail them, you don’t
have to pay them a salary, so

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yeah.
That’s true.

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And yeah, that’s what happened.
William O’Neill kind of got, I

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mean, blackmailed is I know the
right word.

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They were like, we’ll drop your
charges if you just, you know,

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set up one of the most important
civil rights leaders of all time

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to be killed.
And again, he’s 2021 years old.

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Like it’s just, it’s really
crazy.

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Like old ass FBI agents just
setting up a fucking college age

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person for all.
Like it’s just yeah, no.

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We would call Fred Hampton a kid
these days.

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Depending on your media, you
would call him a kid or an adult

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if he was on Newsmax or whatever
fucking bullshit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
O’Neill was kind of the reason

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Fred Hampton got murdered in his
capacity as an FBI informant.

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For one thing, he gave the
Chicago PDA map of Fred

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Hampton’s apartment, including
where all the furniture was,

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where Fred Hampton slept.
And the night the murder

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happened, he fucking drugged
Fred Hampton so he would not

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wake up during this police raid.
And again, there is, for some

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reason, to this day, a lot of
question as to whether the FBI

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knew Fred Hampton was going to
be shot during this raid.

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But they’re the ones that had
the informant draw the map and

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give it to the cops.
They’re the ones that had the

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informant drug Fred Hampton.
How the fuck is history on the

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fence about whether they ordered
this assassination?

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I don’t get it.
The drugging thing, Why else

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would you drug him like?
Yeah, there’s no other like

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you’re not going to drug him if
you want to question him.

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If you can arrest it, like I’m
pretty sure that you busting

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down the door and arresting it
would just be as easy if he was

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like, so like it’s not like he
was waiting for this.

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He’s just, he drugged his ass
like.

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It’s like 4:00 in the morning.
And so on the night of December

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3rd, 1969, Hampton taught a
course at to the local church

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and then returned to his
apartment with a bunch of

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associates.
That’s when William O’Neill

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slipped in these drugs.
William O’Neill was there.

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He cooked dinner for the group,
and while he was doing that, he

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slipped A sedative called Cicco
Barbatol into Hamptons Drink so

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he would not wake up during a
raid that the Chicago PD had

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planned for early the next
morning.

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We should talk about the Chicago
PDI.

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Feel like they don’t get the
attention they deserve.

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I think I brought this up.
So here’s the thing with the

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Chicago Police Department,
barring this, which is just

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stupid, but Chicago police is
very weird because the New York

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Police Department are dumb.
Like they just do dumb things

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right in front of a bunch of
people and they don’t really

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care.
The Los Angeles Police

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Department, they don’t give a
shit.

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They’re just like, fuck you.
We’re the, we’re the police.

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Who gives a shit what you think?
Get the fuck out of my face.

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The Chicago Police Department is
very good at just denial.

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Covering up in doing.
I’m blanking on the word right

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now, yeah.
Oh yeah, that’s a tough

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obfuscation.
Yes, thank you.

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My dyslexia is acting.
Up right there it’s like stuck

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in my brain.
I’ve never used.

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Yeah, they’re basically, they’re
really great at that.

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I mean, there’s a reason that
they had a fucking Black Ops

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site that nobody friggin knew
about for better part of a

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decade.
Except for the writers of The

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Good Wife, somehow, yeah.
That was Jesus.

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Blows my God damn mind.
Yeah, so like Chicago Police

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Department is very good at just
shutting the fuck up and then

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just covering the fuck up in
terms of hiding shit with their.

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That’s why they’re scary to me.
That’s really out of all of the

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big departments, that one’s
probably the one that scares me

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the most is CPD versus like the
other ones.

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Because like, at least with
LAPD, you just know that they’re

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like, barbarian.
They’re just going to attack you

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wherever.
And like, NYPD, you know,

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they’re just idiot goons.
Like, yeah, with CPD, it’s like

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they’ve got that kind of just,
well, I’m going to be clever

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about this.
Fuck you.

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No one’s going to find you OK.
Yeah, I think it was the Chicago

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Sun Times that did this big
expose a few years ago about

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parking enforcement in Chicago.
And what the Chicago PD was

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doing is for some reason people
in low income areas were getting

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the most parking tickets by far,
to the point that the Chicago PD

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would tow these people’s cars
and make them pay to get it out

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of impound.
And if they couldn’t pay, they

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would auction off the car but
not apply it to what the people

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owed the state.
So you would still owe that

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money and you’re out your
fucking car.

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Like the police were stealing
cars in Chicago and just

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reselling them essentially.
I mean, it kind of goes hand in

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hand because it’s just like, in
addition to the Police

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Department, Chicago is just
extremely corrupt, like on every

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level.
Like, I know that like, lots of

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cities have corrupt politicians,
but I mean, for God’s sakes,

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like Illinois, like 5-4 of the
past, like 6 governors went to

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jail, for fuck’s sake.
Like, yeah.

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Illinois gets a lot of credit
for putting a moratorium on the

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death penalty.
And it’s like, oh, wait till you

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find out why though.
It’s because 1 crooked cop was

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like, listen guys, I think I
sent like 400 innocent people to

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prison.
So we might need to look at the

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death penalty.
That’s why Illinois doesn’t have

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the death penalty.
One fucking crooked cop.

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Yeah.
It’s such an amazing story.

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I mean the history of the
dailies alone and all their

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corruption, the fucking
countless alderman’s who have

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corrupt.
I mean, even this is going to be

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way deep in Chicago politics.
Logan is from Chicago, we should

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mention that.
Oh yeah.

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So one of the things in here,
you see Bobby Rush mentioned a

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lot in there and stuff.
Bobby Rush would go on to become

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a congressman and even he is not
out of.

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He literally was one of the top
Black Panthers, but even he is

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not out of the realm of being
like corrupted by Chicago

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politics and stuff.
He was at one point, I think

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they said that he had received
more money than anyone else in

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terms of lobbying stuff out of
any Illinois congressman and

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things.
He took a bunch of money in from

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a bunch of Internet companies
and that was one of the reasons

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he was like voting against
Internet bills and stuff.

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It’s just that city, man.
It’s like Gotham if it was real

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sometimes.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So that’s what to go back to the

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original point on this.
It’s like we really don’t talk

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enough about the Chicago Police
Department, and that’s by design

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because they try to cover up
most of their shit.

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So yeah.
Yeah.

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And so 4:45 AM, December 4th,
1969, Happy birthday, Jay-Z.

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Chicago PD executed this raid.
A Black Panther Party member

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named Mark Clark was in the
living room on security duty.

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He was immediately shot, and
this caused him to reflexively

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fire his weapon into the ceiling
as he was dying, basically.

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That’s important.
Because it is the only shot the

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Black Panther Party fired during
this exchange.

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Chicago PD, meanwhile, fired 99
shots.

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But somehow, for the longest
time, the story was Thank God

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the police survived this brutal
shootout with these armed thugs.

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They in the dock, they start,
they showed the different police

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officers like explaining their
version of the offense.

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He’s like, she shot at a
shotgun.

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I felt it whizzed past me and
then I did and it’s like,

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motherfucker, this isn’t Call of
Duty.

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If someone shot at you with a
shotgun from there, you die

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immediately.
Like they the description of

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then I leaped here and then I
shot five shots here while they

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shot back at me with this.
It’s the most John Woo

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choreographed bullshit sounding
fight and there’s no forensic

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evidence surrounding any of it.
And you’re right, when that guy

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mentioned that when he was like,
yeah, she shot at me with

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shotgun, I felt whiz passed.
I was like, that’s not those

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shotguns work Gray.
The whole fucking room.

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They literally scattered like
your face.

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You half of your face would have
been gone if it hit right where

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it’s at.
It doesn’t whiz by your

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shoulder, bud.
Yeah.

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Yeah, a bunch of Jack offs.
My favorite part was when the

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tribute tries to hold water for
their bullshit and they’re like,

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look at these bullet holes.
And then the documentary guys

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clearly zoom in there, that’s a
nail from a nail.

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And you can see the nail that
they just nailed because that’s

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the door frame.
And how you put a door frame up

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is that you nail the door.
Frame in Yeah, that reminded me

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of Bobby Kennedy in reverse.
Because with RFK, there’s all

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these extra bullet holes in the
door frame and the police were

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like, don’t worry, those aren’t
bullets.

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Also, we destroyed that door
frame.

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Oh, yeah, that’s what you do.
That’s what you do in a case

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like this.
You destroy that door frame

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immediately.
Immediately.

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So yeah, the police, they come
in, they shoot Mark Clark, he

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fires the Black Panther Party
soul shot in response and not

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even in response.
Again, it was like reflex.

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He was shot and killed
instantly.

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So then they moved to Fred
Hampton’s bedroom where a huge

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struggle ensues.
And by that I mean they had to

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drag his pregnant girlfriend out
of the room. 8 1/2 months

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pregnant, 18 years old.
Again, because Fred was drugged

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so he wasn’t awake for any of
this.

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Correct.
So they dragged her out and I

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think by this time he had either
already been shot or they

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dragged her out and they just
start kind of shooting into the

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room.
And then she hears someone say

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he’s barely alive, he’ll barely
make it.

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And then she hears 2 more shots
and one of the cops says he’s

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good and dead now.
So it seems like they might have

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accidentally killed Fred Hampton
in this raid.

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I mean, it’s just who could have
seen it coming?

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Yeah, it’s just a tragedy on
both sides.

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I would say.
You know Fred Hampton, not to be

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that guy, but what was he doing
sleeping in bed?

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Yeah, I.
Mean, you know, are you really

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this much of an activist?
You’re sleeping OK.

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Also, it’s his fault for not
checking his drink.

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Yes, you know, obviously. 100%
yeah, this was a murder.

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Fred Hampton was fucking
murdered by the police.

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And not even a again, it’s not
even like a oh, there he was

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charging at me.
He had a gun.

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Like they didn’t even take any
of that effort.

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They just shot this man in the
back of the head twice in bed,

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in bed.
This is one of those crimes.

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People like that.
Oh, I don’t believe any

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conspiracy theory that crowd
explain Fred Hampton then.

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Yeah, it’s like one of the ones.
It’s like one of those things

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where it’s so brazen.
It’s like the, you know, the

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Philly apartment bombing.
Yeah.

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That’s the where it’s just like,
oh, geez.

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Like how you can’t even like,
whatever story someone brings

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you.
It’s like that.

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There’s no story you could say
that could cover the amount of

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bullshit that you just did.
What are you talking?

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It’s just, yeah.
It’s an insult to even try to

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lie about it.
Yeah.

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The MOVE bombing is fucking
nuts.

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That was the Philadelphia 1.
I don’t people some people won’t

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want to hear it but I would say
the same thing about Waco and

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Ruby Ridge.
Both like Ruby Ridge the FBI

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just shot a woman in the head
while she was holding a baby and

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then I think the same guy
started the shooting at Waco.

434
00:24:36,920 –> 00:24:43,600
Also like the same ATF agent but
Waco man they killed 22 kids.

435
00:24:43,800 –> 00:24:45,880
Have you ever seen Waco Rules of
Engagement?

436
00:24:46,280 –> 00:24:49,880
Not the only thing I have with
Waco is I remember the maid TV

437
00:24:49,880 –> 00:24:52,560
movie with the dad from winter
years and I’m going to tell you

438
00:24:52,560 –> 00:24:57,520
that was not the most.
Maybe that one movie was not so

439
00:24:57,520 –> 00:25:02,080
unbiased.
You know, very pro pro ATF in

440
00:25:02,080 –> 00:25:07,640
that film. made for TV movie on
NBC in like 1998 I think.

441
00:25:07,920 –> 00:25:10,880
Whatever.
Yeah, I think I, I shared this

442
00:25:10,880 –> 00:25:15,120
on an episode last week, but one
of my favorite unprovable

443
00:25:15,120 –> 00:25:18,200
conspiracy theories.
The feds had to know what Harvey

444
00:25:18,200 –> 00:25:22,040
Weinstein was getting up to for
all those years with, you know,

445
00:25:22,200 –> 00:25:25,280
all the raping and things the
industry certainly knew.

446
00:25:25,440 –> 00:25:29,120
The IDF certainly knew because
he kept hiring ex agents to do

447
00:25:29,120 –> 00:25:31,720
this.
Fucking investigations and shit.

448
00:25:32,120 –> 00:25:34,960
Yeah.
And when did the Hammer finally

449
00:25:34,960 –> 00:25:37,520
get dropped?
When he decided to make Waco the

450
00:25:37,520 –> 00:25:40,120
first series on his new
streaming platform.

451
00:25:41,200 –> 00:25:43,960
I feel like someone in the
government was like, do it, do

452
00:25:43,960 –> 00:25:45,600
it, motherfucker, see what
happens.

453
00:25:46,200 –> 00:25:49,000
Because that show, here’s the
thing, One thing very good.

454
00:25:49,360 –> 00:25:52,360
Really fucking good.
Taylor Kitsch is fantastic.

455
00:25:52,720 –> 00:25:55,960
He’s so good in that there’s a
scene where he’s playing guitar

456
00:25:55,960 –> 00:25:58,320
in the fucking window and it’s
one of the coolest things I’ve

457
00:25:58,360 –> 00:26:01,080
ever seen on ATV show.
Fucking love it.

458
00:26:01,200 –> 00:26:05,080
I was glad he got that real, I
mean, separate thing, not

459
00:26:05,080 –> 00:26:08,400
involving it serious, but just
completely miscast and a bunch

460
00:26:08,400 –> 00:26:10,840
of shit.
Tim Riggins in that is his

461
00:26:10,840 –> 00:26:12,160
wheelhouse.
Like, yeah.

462
00:26:12,320 –> 00:26:14,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Waco show’s great.

463
00:26:14,480 –> 00:26:15,960
Harvey Weinstein still sucks,
though.

464
00:26:17,400 –> 00:26:19,160
Yeah, I want to.
I should clarify.

465
00:26:19,360 –> 00:26:21,640
It’s fine.
What happened to him, whatever

466
00:26:21,640 –> 00:26:23,960
reason it happened finally,
that’s fine.

467
00:26:24,120 –> 00:26:26,520
He fucking deserved that.
So let’s talk about this

468
00:26:26,520 –> 00:26:29,320
documentary.
I feel like history is just

469
00:26:29,320 –> 00:26:33,920
riddled with forgotten
documentaries like this one I

470
00:26:33,920 –> 00:26:36,120
mentioned already.
We covered another one a few

471
00:26:36,120 –> 00:26:42,320
weeks ago called The Second Gun
that is about how RFK was almost

472
00:26:42,320 –> 00:26:45,520
certainly killed by the security
guard who was escorting him

473
00:26:45,720 –> 00:26:48,360
through the kitchen.
He was shot at point blank range

474
00:26:48,360 –> 00:26:50,760
behind the ears.
Sir Han, Sir Han, Sir Han, Sir

475
00:26:50,760 –> 00:26:54,560
Han was shooting but he didn’t
get close enough to fire that

476
00:26:54,560 –> 00:26:56,120
shot.
It’s a very compelling

477
00:26:56,280 –> 00:27:00,960
documentary and this one is too.
They both come from that time

478
00:27:00,960 –> 00:27:04,800
though, when I think people must
have just been like, all right,

479
00:27:04,800 –> 00:27:08,400
we’re making a documentary here,
rule #1 let’s not try to be

480
00:27:08,400 –> 00:27:10,320
entertaining.
We don’t want to entertain these

481
00:27:10,320 –> 00:27:12,120
people.
We just want to give them the

482
00:27:12,120 –> 00:27:15,080
facts.
There’s no narrators in this.

483
00:27:15,400 –> 00:27:18,480
It’s just almost like archival
footage, kind of.

484
00:27:18,960 –> 00:27:23,800
Yeah, these guys were local,
like Chicago film makers and

485
00:27:23,800 –> 00:27:27,320
stuff, so they kind of like knew
most of these people.

486
00:27:27,320 –> 00:27:29,800
And they knew Fred Hampton’s
apartment.

487
00:27:29,920 –> 00:27:32,760
They knew these people well
enough that when Fred Hampton

488
00:27:32,760 –> 00:27:35,480
died, they immediately ran to
his apartment to film it before

489
00:27:35,480 –> 00:27:38,120
they could be cordoned off by
CPD.

490
00:27:38,120 –> 00:27:41,760
So yeah, they were.
Crazy that they got there that

491
00:27:41,760 –> 00:27:43,000
fast.
Yeah.

492
00:27:43,000 –> 00:27:46,600
So like that off mic we were
mentioning one of the the

493
00:27:46,600 –> 00:27:49,880
director of this Co founded
second City in Chicago.

494
00:27:49,880 –> 00:27:51,360
So that’s.
Nuts.

495
00:27:51,760 –> 00:27:54,440
Yeah, it’s kind of crazy.
And then, like, the producer did

496
00:27:54,440 –> 00:27:57,040
some Star Trek The Next
Generation episodes, which,

497
00:27:57,120 –> 00:27:59,920
yeah, just two very different
paths.

498
00:28:00,520 –> 00:28:05,800
But yeah, this is very much in
presenting just archival footage

499
00:28:05,880 –> 00:28:12,880
and not like, glossy or very,
like, high productions of like,

500
00:28:12,960 –> 00:28:16,000
what you’d get with, like,
modern docs that would deal with

501
00:28:16,000 –> 00:28:18,840
like, conspiracy stuff with this
or anything like that that you’d

502
00:28:18,840 –> 00:28:21,680
see on like, Netflix.
It’s just this is what happened.

503
00:28:21,760 –> 00:28:23,720
Here’s direct footage of him
speaking.

504
00:28:23,720 –> 00:28:25,600
Here’s direct footage of them
lying.

505
00:28:25,600 –> 00:28:27,440
Here’s direct footage of all of
this stuff.

506
00:28:27,720 –> 00:28:30,680
Yeah.
I love all the footage of him

507
00:28:30,680 –> 00:28:33,040
speaking.
He could move a fucking crowd

508
00:28:34,360 –> 00:28:36,200
knew how to move a fucking
crowd.

509
00:28:36,360 –> 00:28:39,560
You see him deliver the nothing
is more important than stopping

510
00:28:39,560 –> 00:28:42,440
fascism, because fascism will
stop us all line.

511
00:28:42,640 –> 00:28:46,680
I like that you see all these
scenes of tell me if this made

512
00:28:46,680 –> 00:28:49,280
you as angry as it did me.
The Black Panthers giving kids

513
00:28:49,280 –> 00:28:51,080
breakfast.
It’s like, come on, these kids

514
00:28:51,080 –> 00:28:53,520
can pull themselves up from
their bootstraps and get their

515
00:28:53,520 –> 00:28:57,560
own breakfast, you know?
Disgusting, the idea of feeding

516
00:28:57,800 –> 00:29:01,080
the poor.
Like, why don’t you come give me

517
00:29:01,080 –> 00:29:03,120
breakfast?
I’m me.

518
00:29:03,680 –> 00:29:05,840
You’re not me.
I’m me.

519
00:29:05,840 –> 00:29:10,840
I deserve things because I’m me.
Who cares about other people who

520
00:29:10,840 –> 00:29:14,560
are not me?
It really is crazy the degree to

521
00:29:14,560 –> 00:29:18,720
which the American government
hates poor people getting bed.

522
00:29:18,920 –> 00:29:21,080
That’s our whole thing with
Venezuela.

523
00:29:21,440 –> 00:29:25,280
Venezuela hired their first non
white president in the early

524
00:29:25,280 –> 00:29:28,200
2000s and he was like, hey, how
about food for everybody?

525
00:29:28,440 –> 00:29:32,080
And we were like, not on our
watch pal.

526
00:29:32,280 –> 00:29:34,240
We’ve been fucking with them
ever since.

527
00:29:34,680 –> 00:29:38,200
Yeah, I’d like to point that
most of the Black Panthers,

528
00:29:38,200 –> 00:29:41,280
like, breakfast programs and
shit, are the reason why we have

529
00:29:41,280 –> 00:29:44,200
breakfast programs for public
schools nowadays, because

530
00:29:44,200 –> 00:29:45,880
they’re like a decade or so
later.

531
00:29:46,280 –> 00:29:50,360
OK, I I guess this is better
than letting children starve.

532
00:29:50,560 –> 00:29:54,480
Fine.
Yeah, and it’s I mean it is such

533
00:29:54,520 –> 00:29:58,360
the intentions behind it are so
fucking pure.

534
00:29:58,520 –> 00:30:01,720
And J Edgar Hoover still we
talked about on the 1st

535
00:30:01,720 –> 00:30:05,440
COINTELPRO episode he still
managed to lay table this as

536
00:30:05,440 –> 00:30:08,840
Black Panthers trying to feed
children insidious poison.

537
00:30:09,000 –> 00:30:11,360
It’s like they are eating
pancakes.

538
00:30:11,920 –> 00:30:14,360
They’re eating pancakes.
There’s this one kid who has the

539
00:30:14,360 –> 00:30:17,120
biggest smile when he gets,
like, a bowl of cereal.

540
00:30:17,120 –> 00:30:20,120
He’s so happy.
Yeah, yeah, no.

541
00:30:20,360 –> 00:30:23,520
And it’s like, this isn’t,
they’re not on TikTok, They’re

542
00:30:23,520 –> 00:30:27,040
not like, oh, look at us fucking
feeding the community for

543
00:30:27,040 –> 00:30:29,240
fucking points.
No, they just want to give kids

544
00:30:29,240 –> 00:30:31,880
breakfast.
And somehow the government was

545
00:30:32,120 –> 00:30:36,720
so mad about that free breakfast
and free medical care in black

546
00:30:36,720 –> 00:30:39,080
communities.
And the government was like, oh,

547
00:30:39,080 –> 00:30:44,240
no, you don’t, You don’t.
Which I mean, I don’t understand

548
00:30:44,240 –> 00:30:46,480
why from the government
standpoint, they wouldn’t be

549
00:30:46,480 –> 00:30:48,880
like, all right, that mean
you’re not going to ask us to do

550
00:30:48,880 –> 00:30:49,640
it.
Cool.

551
00:30:49,720 –> 00:30:51,160
Because we weren’t going to
anyway.

552
00:30:51,160 –> 00:30:54,040
So I don’t know why it couldn’t
have just been that, why the

553
00:30:54,040 –> 00:30:56,720
government couldn’t just be
like, OK, well now we don’t have

554
00:30:56,720 –> 00:30:59,480
to do anything to help.
But I think Fred, you kind of

555
00:30:59,480 –> 00:31:04,720
explains a lot out of it because
one of his big things beyond, he

556
00:31:04,720 –> 00:31:08,360
doesn’t go into just, oh,
everything’s bad because of

557
00:31:08,360 –> 00:31:10,640
racism.
He draws a Direct Line.

558
00:31:10,640 –> 00:31:13,840
And you see so many people have
problems with pointing this out

559
00:31:13,840 –> 00:31:16,720
today, which is another thing
that pisses me off when I was

560
00:31:16,920 –> 00:31:19,920
like watching this.
He points out how racism and a

561
00:31:19,920 –> 00:31:24,440
lot of all of these structures
of racism are all in the benefit

562
00:31:24,440 –> 00:31:28,000
of capitalism.
And that is the big problem at

563
00:31:28,000 –> 00:31:31,680
the heart of it and why they’re
all so mad at is because he has

564
00:31:31,680 –> 00:31:34,200
the audacity to point out that
capitalism sucks.

565
00:31:34,520 –> 00:31:38,720
And that a lot of the issues
that result in the different

566
00:31:38,720 –> 00:31:41,640
racial tensions are just
basically because of capitalist

567
00:31:41,640 –> 00:31:45,520
nature of trying to keep
somebody oppressed just so that

568
00:31:45,520 –> 00:31:48,600
you can make a buck off of them.
And he also rightfully points

569
00:31:48,600 –> 00:31:52,320
out like he’s like the issues
with I don’t want to replace

570
00:31:52,360 –> 00:31:55,280
white capitalism with just black
capitalism because that’s just

571
00:31:55,280 –> 00:31:59,760
the same fucking problem.
Like there’s one point which was

572
00:31:59,760 –> 00:32:03,360
really shocking where he says
white power to white people,

573
00:32:03,360 –> 00:32:05,800
brown power, brown people.
And he just goes through the

574
00:32:05,800 –> 00:32:08,200
different races because like,
there should be power to

575
00:32:08,280 –> 00:32:11,640
everybody because if one of us
is oppressed, then we’re all

576
00:32:11,640 –> 00:32:13,680
oppressed.
And he keeps pointing out like,

577
00:32:14,000 –> 00:32:17,520
it all goes back to capitalism
with him and education.

578
00:32:17,520 –> 00:32:21,080
Those are the two things because
there’s that part where a couple

579
00:32:21,080 –> 00:32:24,120
of other community leaders are,
like, presenting plans to him,

580
00:32:24,520 –> 00:32:28,200
and they’re talking about doing
a Community Credit union and

581
00:32:28,200 –> 00:32:29,560
like other health programs
stuff.

582
00:32:29,560 –> 00:32:32,480
It’s like, what about education?
And they just don’t really have

583
00:32:32,480 –> 00:32:34,480
an educational plan.
It’s like, no, that needs to be

584
00:32:34,480 –> 00:32:37,040
found fundamental because
without education, you just

585
00:32:37,040 –> 00:32:39,800
leave yourself open to be taken
over by some other oppressor.

586
00:32:39,800 –> 00:32:42,040
And then that’s when he starts
talking about, like, Papa Doc

587
00:32:42,040 –> 00:32:45,400
and all those other, you know,
types who were considered

588
00:32:45,400 –> 00:32:47,600
revolutionaries and ended up
betraying that.

589
00:32:47,600 –> 00:32:51,200
So yeah, the man could talk and
the man actually knew what he

590
00:32:51,200 –> 00:32:53,120
was talking about, which is the
other part of it.

591
00:32:53,560 –> 00:32:58,520
Yeah, the, I know we, you know,
we know who killed him.

592
00:32:58,880 –> 00:33:03,960
I don’t know if we 100% still
know why, but there is a prison

593
00:33:03,960 –> 00:33:08,800
interview with Tupac from right
before Suge Knight got him out

594
00:33:09,080 –> 00:33:12,520
and maybe got him killed.
Where if you watch that

595
00:33:12,520 –> 00:33:15,600
interview, I remember watching
it and being like, oh, maybe the

596
00:33:15,600 –> 00:33:19,920
government killed Tupac because
he was talking the exact same

597
00:33:19,920 –> 00:33:23,880
shit in that prison interview.
He was like, we are all being

598
00:33:23,880 –> 00:33:25,920
oppressed.
We need to fucking.

599
00:33:26,160 –> 00:33:29,200
All the street gangs need to
join together, which is another

600
00:33:29,200 –> 00:33:34,360
thing Fred Hampton was big on.
So, yeah, it’s but Fred Hampton

601
00:33:34,360 –> 00:33:37,440
especially, I think you’re
right, the capitalism is what

602
00:33:37,560 –> 00:33:41,520
probably separated him from a
lot of other people because,

603
00:33:41,520 –> 00:33:44,320
yeah, that there is a very
famous quote where he’s like,

604
00:33:44,600 –> 00:33:47,680
no, we’re not going to replace
white capitalism, black

605
00:33:47,680 –> 00:33:49,320
capitalism.
We’re going to replace it with

606
00:33:49,320 –> 00:33:52,000
socialism.
It’s the only way to defeat it.

607
00:33:52,120 –> 00:33:56,360
And oh, man, this country does
not want to hear that shit at

608
00:33:57,160 –> 00:33:58,760
all.
God damn.

609
00:33:58,960 –> 00:34:03,040
That is the United States thing.
We talk about how much it

610
00:34:03,040 –> 00:34:07,840
happened in Latin America in
like the 80s when Reagan was

611
00:34:07,840 –> 00:34:11,040
just launching all these wars to
fight communism there.

612
00:34:11,360 –> 00:34:14,960
This is the same thing.
The government just launched

613
00:34:14,960 –> 00:34:20,120
wars in black neighborhoods to
fight socialism, and they won.

614
00:34:20,280 –> 00:34:23,199
And like I said, it’s the
there’s a lot of the more things

615
00:34:23,199 –> 00:34:26,639
change, the more this is because
just what’s the big talking

616
00:34:26,639 –> 00:34:29,960
point that you always hear on
shitty like right wing media

617
00:34:29,960 –> 00:34:31,520
things?
It’s always complaining about

618
00:34:31,520 –> 00:34:34,800
commie socialists in their
protests or oh, we’re going to

619
00:34:34,800 –> 00:34:37,719
get rid of all the socialists
from LA.

620
00:34:38,000 –> 00:34:40,320
We’re going to get rid of the
communist conspiracy.

621
00:34:40,320 –> 00:34:43,280
It’s just, yeah, it’s.
Nuts.

622
00:34:43,320 –> 00:34:45,800
Again, like it’s one of the all
the frustrating things about

623
00:34:45,800 –> 00:34:49,679
this is that Fred and some of
the others in there and the

624
00:34:49,679 –> 00:34:53,320
journalist again, just speak
like openly and call out on

625
00:34:53,320 –> 00:34:57,680
bullshit in ways that we just
don’t see from like activists or

626
00:34:57,680 –> 00:35:00,600
journalists today.
But the talking points of the

627
00:35:00,600 –> 00:35:04,520
people that they’re trying to,
you know, dispute are still

628
00:35:04,520 –> 00:35:07,160
using their same bullshit about,
oh, no, communism’s bad,

629
00:35:07,160 –> 00:35:09,480
socialism’s bad.
So they’re still just staying

630
00:35:09,480 –> 00:35:11,680
with the same talking points
while the others have just kind

631
00:35:11,680 –> 00:35:15,440
of taken a step back from what
they are gotten worse at

632
00:35:15,760 –> 00:35:19,240
disputing that again, like you
can’t even talk about fascism

633
00:35:19,520 –> 00:35:21,560
without somebody saying, well,
both sides.

634
00:35:21,760 –> 00:35:24,640
Whereas before he’s very clear
fascism is going to kill

635
00:35:24,720 –> 00:35:27,200
everybody.
It’s not a black thing.

636
00:35:27,360 –> 00:35:31,320
It’s everyone like.
There’s no both sides to

637
00:35:31,520 –> 00:35:35,880
fascism, and no, if anyone
thinks there is, you’re a

638
00:35:35,880 –> 00:35:38,560
fucking fascist.
Even if you think you fall on

639
00:35:38,560 –> 00:35:41,360
the other side, but you still
think there’s two sides to it,

640
00:35:41,440 –> 00:35:43,880
you’re fucking fascist.
If you’re not wearing the boots,

641
00:35:43,880 –> 00:35:46,240
you’re a boot licker.
Yes, exactly.

642
00:35:46,400 –> 00:35:49,320
There is a speech where he
mentions the ice cream truck

643
00:35:49,320 –> 00:35:53,160
robbery.
That’s a real thing, and it was

644
00:35:53,360 –> 00:36:00,000
pointed out later, or at least
suggested later in a memoir by a

645
00:36:00,160 –> 00:36:03,400
like researcher who looked into
the civil rights stuff.

646
00:36:03,520 –> 00:36:06,320
This was probably a COINTELPRO
thing.

647
00:36:06,480 –> 00:36:09,760
One of the aims of COINTELPRO,
not really Ames, but one of

648
00:36:09,760 –> 00:36:13,600
their tactics was if there was
at all a chance you could get

649
00:36:13,600 –> 00:36:16,600
someone hit with bullshit
criminal charges, do it.

650
00:36:16,720 –> 00:36:19,120
Because if nothing else, you can
send them to jail for a little

651
00:36:19,120 –> 00:36:20,920
bit.
And that happened to Fred

652
00:36:20,920 –> 00:36:22,880
Hampton.
There was this incident.

653
00:36:23,280 –> 00:36:27,080
I’ve read up on it after
watching this documentary and it

654
00:36:27,080 –> 00:36:31,200
seems like what happened, or at
least his side of the story,

655
00:36:31,320 –> 00:36:34,760
which I’m going to take his side
of the story, is he intervened

656
00:36:34,760 –> 00:36:38,280
in this dispute between an ice
cream truck driver who was being

657
00:36:38,280 –> 00:36:42,600
a little racist and some kids in
the neighborhood and he tried to

658
00:36:42,600 –> 00:36:46,120
intervene.
Things got heated and a bunch of

659
00:36:46,120 –> 00:36:49,120
people from the neighborhood
charged the truck and just took

660
00:36:49,120 –> 00:36:52,520
the ice cream and started
throwing it out into the crowd.

661
00:36:52,680 –> 00:36:56,440
And because Fred Hampton was
there, the police were like, oh,

662
00:36:56,440 –> 00:36:59,600
well, we’re just going to charge
Fred Hampton with stealing $71

663
00:36:59,720 –> 00:37:02,320
worth of ice cream.
And that shit worked.

664
00:37:02,440 –> 00:37:05,680
He went to prison over that.
There’s more to talk about, but

665
00:37:06,240 –> 00:37:09,960
when he was talking about the
$71.00 of ice cream, he’s like,

666
00:37:09,960 –> 00:37:14,200
yeah, 750 bars and I’m like,
Jesus Christ, old time ice cream

667
00:37:14,200 –> 00:37:15,680
prices.
Like it’s one of those.

668
00:37:16,040 –> 00:37:19,880
Like there was so much going on,
but I was like 11:00 at night

669
00:37:19,880 –> 00:37:22,200
and I was eating ice cream while
I was watching this.

670
00:37:22,200 –> 00:37:25,080
I was just like this fucking
thing cost me 5 bucks for half

671
00:37:25,080 –> 00:37:28,880
of are you God damn kidding me?
Like yeah, yeah, that’s.

672
00:37:29,000 –> 00:37:32,400
So much ice cream for $71.
If I had a time machine that’s

673
00:37:32,400 –> 00:37:34,200
what I would do.
I would just bring a freezer

674
00:37:34,200 –> 00:37:36,800
with me and go back.
Buy a shit ton of good humor

675
00:37:36,800 –> 00:37:38,920
bars.
I mean, you’re just a fool for

676
00:37:38,920 –> 00:37:41,280
not stealing an ice cream truck
at that price.

677
00:37:41,280 –> 00:37:45,360
Like, come on.
And so, yeah, this again, was

678
00:37:45,360 –> 00:37:47,280
almost certainly a COINTELPRO
thing.

679
00:37:47,280 –> 00:37:50,280
And it worked.
It sent Fred Hampton to prison

680
00:37:50,280 –> 00:37:53,920
for a little bit.
There is footage in this that is

681
00:37:53,920 –> 00:37:58,040
a little confusing because it
seems like it’s footage of him

682
00:37:58,040 –> 00:38:02,160
in court defending himself over
this ice cream charge, but it is

683
00:38:02,160 –> 00:38:04,480
not that.
It’s like a mock trial.

684
00:38:04,600 –> 00:38:09,000
Yeah, it’s a mock trial for like
judgement by the people for, you

685
00:38:09,000 –> 00:38:12,080
know, just and it’s a bunch of
like supporters of the part

686
00:38:12,080 –> 00:38:14,440
Black Panther Party and stuff
for all of like playing the

687
00:38:14,440 –> 00:38:18,440
judge judges and, you know, the
attorneys and things like that.

688
00:38:18,440 –> 00:38:20,240
So.
Yeah, yeah.

689
00:38:20,480 –> 00:38:24,720
There is a very fun moment where
he’s questioning.

690
00:38:24,720 –> 00:38:27,400
I think he’s questioning a cop
because I think there was a

691
00:38:27,400 –> 00:38:31,320
black cop who was also.
There was a black cop, but that

692
00:38:31,320 –> 00:38:33,760
wasn’t the cop.
I think that the cop in that

693
00:38:33,760 –> 00:38:36,480
fake trial was just, you know,
one of the party guys.

694
00:38:36,480 –> 00:38:39,240
I don’t know who the actual cop
was because again, it’s pretty

695
00:38:39,240 –> 00:38:41,760
confusing because the narrator
does not clarify that.

696
00:38:41,760 –> 00:38:45,120
Like it took me like until like
the second or third time when

697
00:38:45,120 –> 00:38:48,480
they cut back to it to realize,
oh wait, this is the mock trial.

698
00:38:48,880 –> 00:38:52,480
The only reason I suspected he
might have been talking to the

699
00:38:52,480 –> 00:38:55,400
black cop is the question he
asked him at the end where he

700
00:38:55,400 –> 00:38:57,800
goes, Officer Dunn, do you think
you’re free?

701
00:38:57,960 –> 00:39:01,560
I was like, oh, answer the
question, Dunn.

702
00:39:03,400 –> 00:39:08,360
But also there is a scene where
he asks Officer Dunn if he’s

703
00:39:08,360 –> 00:39:11,440
aware that black people are
being oppressed by white people

704
00:39:11,560 –> 00:39:15,080
and the prosecution objects.
And Fred Hamden goes, allow me

705
00:39:15,080 –> 00:39:17,280
to rephrase.
Are you aware that a whole lot

706
00:39:17,280 –> 00:39:19,640
of blood sucking pigs are
vampires?

707
00:39:20,800 –> 00:39:23,240
That’s the moment where I was
like, oh, yeah, I think this

708
00:39:23,240 –> 00:39:27,200
might not be the real court
because he didn’t object on that

709
00:39:27,200 –> 00:39:28,680
one at all.
I was like, yeah, yeah.

710
00:39:29,000 –> 00:39:32,560
Yeah, that’s where he would have
gotten shot in real life, that

711
00:39:32,560 –> 00:39:36,040
moment.
Also, so much smoking in that

712
00:39:36,040 –> 00:39:37,480
courtroom.
Jesus Christ.

713
00:39:38,040 –> 00:39:41,200
Yeah, Like, everyone in that
court, everyone in that mock

714
00:39:41,200 –> 00:39:43,960
trial later got cancer.
Like, there’s zero chance of

715
00:39:43,960 –> 00:39:44,520
that.
Yeah.

716
00:39:44,720 –> 00:39:46,200
Yeah.
That I don’t know.

717
00:39:46,200 –> 00:39:48,920
I mean, I guess you would, you
would have been used to it back

718
00:39:48,920 –> 00:39:51,600
then.
But I’m old enough to still sort

719
00:39:51,600 –> 00:39:53,760
of remember the smoking indoors
days.

720
00:39:54,080 –> 00:39:56,760
It sucked.
It was bad.

721
00:39:56,760 –> 00:40:01,160
I had a telemarketing job for a
night, one night where they let

722
00:40:01,160 –> 00:40:03,960
you smoke in there and I was
like get me the fuck out of

723
00:40:03,960 –> 00:40:06,960
here, I’m going to die and I
smoked at the time.

724
00:40:07,120 –> 00:40:10,600
There’s this stupid trend with
zoomers.

725
00:40:10,600 –> 00:40:12,840
I know this is a complete
different tangent where they’re

726
00:40:12,840 –> 00:40:14,960
talking there.
There’s like this thing called

727
00:40:14,960 –> 00:40:19,560
sigs inside, like #sigs inside.
I’m like, you don’t understand

728
00:40:19,560 –> 00:40:23,440
how fucking terrible sigs inside
all of our food tasted worse.

729
00:40:23,560 –> 00:40:27,320
The reason that like food stuff
started to take off in the 90s

730
00:40:27,360 –> 00:40:30,680
and like kind of boomed aside
from like Food Network is

731
00:40:30,680 –> 00:40:33,720
because people’s taste buds
started getting better because

732
00:40:33,720 –> 00:40:35,880
we didn’t allow them to fucking
smoke inside.

733
00:40:36,680 –> 00:40:39,720
Used to smoke on airplanes.
Smoke on airplanes.

734
00:40:39,720 –> 00:40:42,880
You could smoke at hospitals.
My mom worked at a hospital.

735
00:40:42,880 –> 00:40:44,680
She used to smoke at a fucking
desk.

736
00:40:44,840 –> 00:40:47,520
And it’s like whenever people
are like, how come everyone

737
00:40:47,520 –> 00:40:51,760
looked so much older back then?
It’s like they all smoked.

738
00:40:51,960 –> 00:40:55,680
Or they had to work jobs where
they were surrounded by smoke.

739
00:40:55,680 –> 00:40:58,600
How many waitresses died?
Second hand smoke.

740
00:40:59,000 –> 00:41:02,280
Right, Yeah, either that or
everyone was out like you had to

741
00:41:02,280 –> 00:41:06,040
go outside to have fun in that
age as you also, that’s why

742
00:41:06,040 –> 00:41:08,760
everyone’s.
Fucking furniture at that nest,

743
00:41:08,960 –> 00:41:12,800
like film on it, kind of like
when you touch it there’s like

744
00:41:12,800 –> 00:41:16,600
that greasy ass.
It’s stuff was disgusting.

745
00:41:16,960 –> 00:41:19,760
You can’t.
The only reason people like are

746
00:41:19,760 –> 00:41:23,160
nostalgic for that is because
you can’t scratch and sniff

747
00:41:23,160 –> 00:41:26,120
episodes of Mad Men or anything
in the 80s.

748
00:41:26,120 –> 00:41:30,520
Because buddy if you could Oh my
God you would not be pro smoking

749
00:41:30,520 –> 00:41:32,640
indoors.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

750
00:41:32,640 –> 00:41:35,680
Not sorry, that was just a
complete side ramp, but man,

751
00:41:35,680 –> 00:41:38,720
they were smoking up a chimney
during that mock trial.

752
00:41:39,040 –> 00:41:41,960
Yeah, they are fucking firing
them up.

753
00:41:42,600 –> 00:41:44,160
I like the part.
I don’t know if they were in

754
00:41:44,160 –> 00:41:47,120
court when they were doing the
Piggy Wiggy chant.

755
00:41:48,080 –> 00:41:50,560
The tune of Louie, Louie Piggy
Wiggy.

756
00:41:51,600 –> 00:41:55,960
Oh, I say you got to go on going
bad night that pig.

757
00:41:56,600 –> 00:41:58,920
The oik oik oik part got me so
good.

758
00:41:59,960 –> 00:42:03,920
And they do it a bunch.
Like they play that shit like 15

759
00:42:03,920 –> 00:42:05,480
times in a row.
I love it.

760
00:42:05,880 –> 00:42:06,480
Great.
Yeah.

761
00:42:06,480 –> 00:42:08,680
There’s footage, this
documentary.

762
00:42:08,680 –> 00:42:13,000
There’s footage of him giving
this speech and then the hardest

763
00:42:13,000 –> 00:42:17,120
cut of all time to just footage
of the room where he was shot

764
00:42:17,240 –> 00:42:20,320
and killed.
He literally says his line and

765
00:42:20,320 –> 00:42:25,240
then smash cut to a bloody bed.
Yeah, when they do the smash

766
00:42:25,240 –> 00:42:27,200
cut, they also show like other
parts of the apartment.

767
00:42:27,440 –> 00:42:31,240
It’s a little.
It’s hard to even in black and

768
00:42:31,240 –> 00:42:34,120
white because it’s this is a
black and white documentary.

769
00:42:34,120 –> 00:42:37,080
There’s no color footage in
there, but even in black and

770
00:42:37,080 –> 00:42:42,320
white, it’s very grotesque how
bloody everything is in there.

771
00:42:42,600 –> 00:42:46,120
They lift up like the broke down
door and right underneath it,

772
00:42:46,120 –> 00:42:48,880
it’s a huge pile of blood.
They go to the bedroom, there’s

773
00:42:48,880 –> 00:42:52,320
a huge pile of blood.
There’s just blood everywhere in

774
00:42:52,520 –> 00:42:56,640
such a manner that’s just so
obvious that this was just a

775
00:42:56,640 –> 00:42:59,800
bunch of people shooting at
someone, not a shootout.

776
00:43:00,280 –> 00:43:03,360
Because there’s no way that if
this was a shoot out that you

777
00:43:03,360 –> 00:43:04,600
wouldn’t see it on the other
side.

778
00:43:04,760 –> 00:43:08,040
Like it’s just impossible.
It’s such a confined space and

779
00:43:08,040 –> 00:43:10,800
you can.
Even get the police like telling

780
00:43:10,800 –> 00:43:14,080
this story about Oh yeah, there
was all this they were returning

781
00:43:14,080 –> 00:43:17,120
fire and I feel like at one
point they’re in the room and

782
00:43:17,120 –> 00:43:19,080
someone is like there’s no
bullet holes behind you.

783
00:43:19,560 –> 00:43:21,240
Why, Why?
What do you mean?

784
00:43:21,240 –> 00:43:23,120
What do you mean they were
shooting at you That would like

785
00:43:23,120 –> 00:43:26,640
we’ve all because this crime
scene was just it seems like was

786
00:43:26,640 –> 00:43:30,960
just open like people were just
going in and checking it out and

787
00:43:31,120 –> 00:43:34,400
everyone who saw it was like
there’s no bullets anywhere

788
00:43:34,400 –> 00:43:36,160
else.
They’re all going this way.

789
00:43:36,280 –> 00:43:38,600
What the fuck?
This is a quote that we hear in

790
00:43:38,600 –> 00:43:41,800
the documentary from State’s
Attorney Edward Hanrahan, who

791
00:43:41,800 –> 00:43:43,480
ordered the raid.
Quote.

792
00:43:43,640 –> 00:43:47,120
The immediate violent criminal
reaction of the occupants in

793
00:43:47,120 –> 00:43:51,440
shooting at announced police
officers emphasizes the extreme

794
00:43:51,440 –> 00:43:53,920
viciousness of the Black Panther
Party.

795
00:43:54,360 –> 00:43:58,000
So does their refusal to cease
firing at the police officers

796
00:43:58,240 –> 00:44:00,640
when urged to do so.
Several times.

797
00:44:00,680 –> 00:44:03,000
End Quote.
That is exactly the kind of shit

798
00:44:03,080 –> 00:44:06,720
you hear out of the fucking
Trump administration right now.

799
00:44:07,120 –> 00:44:10,480
This is how you would hear them
explain this incident.

800
00:44:10,600 –> 00:44:13,360
They’d be like fucking violent
criminals shooting hundreds of

801
00:44:13,360 –> 00:44:16,280
rounds at us and people would be
like, there’s no bullets.

802
00:44:16,560 –> 00:44:19,320
Maybe like fake media is lying
to you.

803
00:44:19,480 –> 00:44:21,480
George Soros covered up those
bullets.

804
00:44:21,680 –> 00:44:24,920
Yeah, no, it’s they were
protected by God.

805
00:44:26,400 –> 00:44:28,200
Yeah.
Like jewels in Pulp Fiction.

806
00:44:29,480 –> 00:44:32,240
Yeah.
Yeah, it’s Hanrahan.

807
00:44:32,240 –> 00:44:34,880
They do a lot of choice quotes
from him.

808
00:44:35,200 –> 00:44:40,680
There’s at one point the Chicago
Tribune gets an exclusive with

809
00:44:40,960 –> 00:44:45,120
them and they present like the
police and Hanrahan’s version of

810
00:44:45,200 –> 00:44:47,920
events.
And they’re like, why did you go

811
00:44:47,920 –> 00:44:50,840
to the Chicago Tribune?
He’s like, well, I feel it was a

812
00:44:50,840 –> 00:44:55,080
fine paper of presenting the
facts and he says fair and

813
00:44:55,080 –> 00:45:00,160
balanced.
And then this hero of a Chicago

814
00:45:00,160 –> 00:45:06,520
reporters, did the people who
buy that specific type of paper

815
00:45:06,520 –> 00:45:11,520
in terms of, you know, identity
as opposed to like other papers

816
00:45:11,520 –> 00:45:14,400
in the city matter in there?
And he’s like, does anyone have

817
00:45:14,400 –> 00:45:16,880
an actual question?
He’s so pissed.

818
00:45:17,040 –> 00:45:19,640
Like he wants to kill that
reporter right then and there.

819
00:45:19,920 –> 00:45:22,440
Yeah, yeah.
And it ends up being the Chicago

820
00:45:22,440 –> 00:45:26,280
Sun Times.
That is the first to refute the

821
00:45:26,400 –> 00:45:31,240
police’s version of events.
And a lot of it has to do with

822
00:45:31,240 –> 00:45:34,480
those bullet holes.
The Chicago Sun Times is like,

823
00:45:34,480 –> 00:45:38,120
those are nails.
You look at that and anyone like

824
00:45:38,120 –> 00:45:40,840
you see them in the documentary,
anyone would look at that and

825
00:45:40,840 –> 00:45:43,640
go, Oh yeah, those are nails.
And even if they weren’t,

826
00:45:43,760 –> 00:45:46,440
there’s still only four.
Where are all the other bullets

827
00:45:46,440 –> 00:45:48,400
that the Black Panthers were
supposed to be firing?

828
00:45:48,400 –> 00:45:50,280
They fired 4 bullets into the
door frame.

829
00:45:50,280 –> 00:45:53,320
That’s it.
There are 4 bullets in pretty

830
00:45:53,320 –> 00:45:57,640
precise locations, as if to hang
up a door frame like.

831
00:45:57,920 –> 00:45:59,680
Right.
Yeah, you know, because they

832
00:45:59,680 –> 00:46:02,600
didn’t have home depots back
then, so you just had to use

833
00:46:02,600 –> 00:46:04,960
whatever to hang your fucking
door frame like.

834
00:46:05,080 –> 00:46:07,840
Exactly.
They it’s pointed out about that

835
00:46:07,960 –> 00:46:12,240
the Black Panthers were
stockpiling weapons in this

836
00:46:12,240 –> 00:46:16,000
apartment owned by Fred Hampton.
It’s like, I wonder why.

837
00:46:16,160 –> 00:46:18,800
Is it maybe because they were
afraid the police were just

838
00:46:18,800 –> 00:46:21,640
going to come indiscriminately
shoot them in their bed some

839
00:46:21,640 –> 00:46:23,960
night?
Because that happened, I’m.

840
00:46:24,000 –> 00:46:25,400
Sure.
You probably talked about this

841
00:46:25,400 –> 00:46:28,360
in another.
It’s the one of the reasons that

842
00:46:28,360 –> 00:46:32,400
we even had, like, the most
minimal of gun laws was

843
00:46:32,400 –> 00:46:35,280
specifically because Black
Panthers and black people were

844
00:46:35,280 –> 00:46:38,440
starting to arm themselves and
white congressmen and senators,

845
00:46:38,480 –> 00:46:41,720
like, absolutely not.
Got to put something up.

846
00:46:41,920 –> 00:46:43,720
We got to pull that back a
little bit.

847
00:46:44,080 –> 00:46:44,920
Yeah.
Yeah.

848
00:46:45,520 –> 00:46:48,000
Yeah, that’s the thing.
I mean, people say that now,

849
00:46:48,560 –> 00:46:51,800
like civil rights types should
just start buying more guns.

850
00:46:52,000 –> 00:46:56,120
This would be like the result.
Like it it would be the

851
00:46:56,120 –> 00:46:59,440
government being like, oh,
you’re stockpiling guns because

852
00:46:59,440 –> 00:47:01,800
you think the government’s going
to come after you and take your

853
00:47:01,800 –> 00:47:03,200
guns.
We are.

854
00:47:03,320 –> 00:47:06,760
We’re going to come.
How did you know?

855
00:47:06,840 –> 00:47:08,800
Why?
You got us, damn it.

856
00:47:10,160 –> 00:47:16,160
And somehow, even with all the
evidence against these cops, a

857
00:47:16,480 –> 00:47:20,520
grand jury decides there is not
sufficient evidence to charge

858
00:47:20,520 –> 00:47:22,520
them with suppressing civil
rights.

859
00:47:22,720 –> 00:47:25,400
That’s the Chicago way.
It’s like, well, how about

860
00:47:25,400 –> 00:47:28,400
murder then?
How about just plain old murder?

861
00:47:28,520 –> 00:47:33,600
That’s what this was.
And yeah, for like I said, for

862
00:47:33,600 –> 00:47:37,600
some reason people still
question if the FBI had any role

863
00:47:37,600 –> 00:47:39,680
in this.
They ordered the raid.

864
00:47:39,840 –> 00:47:43,960
I don’t think the Chicago PD
took it upon themselves to kill

865
00:47:43,960 –> 00:47:46,360
Fred Hampton.
I think there was probably just

866
00:47:46,400 –> 00:47:49,600
agree like agreement across the
board.

867
00:47:49,800 –> 00:47:53,200
Chicago PDFBI, probably the
fucking White House.

868
00:47:53,400 –> 00:47:56,360
Fucking Robert Kennedy.
For all I know, he signed the

869
00:47:56,360 –> 00:48:00,200
wiretap on Martin Luther King.
I think everyone just wanted

870
00:48:00,200 –> 00:48:02,840
Fred Hampton dead.
Yeah, I feel like even if the

871
00:48:02,840 –> 00:48:06,520
FBI wasn’t involved, like CPD
would have killed him anyway and

872
00:48:06,520 –> 00:48:08,400
the FBI would have killed him.
It’s like one of those things

873
00:48:08,400 –> 00:48:09,400
where it’s like, what do you
want?

874
00:48:09,400 –> 00:48:11,120
Oh, I want pizza.
Oh, I want pizza too.

875
00:48:11,120 –> 00:48:12,640
Oh, OK.
We all both agree on pizza.

876
00:48:12,640 –> 00:48:13,960
Let’s.
What types do you want?

877
00:48:13,960 –> 00:48:15,600
Like that?
It’s just they were all in

878
00:48:15,600 –> 00:48:16,640
agreement on there.
It’s.

879
00:48:16,840 –> 00:48:18,400
Yeah.
Yeah, they were going to get

880
00:48:18,680 –> 00:48:21,280
Fred Hampton for sure, one way
or another.

881
00:48:21,560 –> 00:48:24,920
For what it’s worth, there was a
lawsuit filed against the

882
00:48:24,920 –> 00:48:28,480
Chicago PD and the federal
government in this case

883
00:48:28,680 –> 00:48:32,760
eventually settled with 9
plaintiffs being awarded $1.85

884
00:48:32,760 –> 00:48:35,680
million.
And don’t let history tell you

885
00:48:35,680 –> 00:48:36,960
that kind of shit doesn’t
matter.

886
00:48:37,280 –> 00:48:41,040
Like there’s Snopes, which I am
convinced is just a wing of the

887
00:48:41,040 –> 00:48:43,280
government.
Would love to have you believe.

888
00:48:43,320 –> 00:48:47,480
It is just not at all important
that MLK’s family sued the

889
00:48:47,480 –> 00:48:50,640
government in one.
They’re like, yeah, but it was a

890
00:48:50,640 –> 00:48:53,920
civil trial and they only won a
dollar.

891
00:48:54,200 –> 00:48:56,800
It’s like 1, They only asked for
a dollar because they wanted to

892
00:48:56,800 –> 00:48:59,760
prove it wasn’t about the money.
And two, you know, the

893
00:48:59,760 –> 00:49:04,520
government didn’t want to lose.
They didn’t want to, like, not

894
00:49:04,520 –> 00:49:06,840
win that case.
They fucking tried to win that

895
00:49:06,840 –> 00:49:08,960
case.
They just didn’t because the

896
00:49:08,960 –> 00:49:11,720
government killed Martin Luther
King Junior.

897
00:49:11,920 –> 00:49:14,320
So like, this matters.
These lawsuits matter.

898
00:49:14,640 –> 00:49:17,360
Malcolm XS family is suing the
government currently.

899
00:49:17,560 –> 00:49:19,800
It matters.
I’m fascinated to see how that

900
00:49:19,800 –> 00:49:24,240
case goes.
That is going to be a shit show.

901
00:49:24,760 –> 00:49:28,840
Yeah, it’s, I mean, I feel like
they have to have a pretty

902
00:49:28,840 –> 00:49:31,440
strong case.
Like 2 of the dudes who got

903
00:49:31,440 –> 00:49:34,200
arrested for it have already
been released from prison.

904
00:49:34,200 –> 00:49:37,240
They were exonerated.
Like we immediately let them out

905
00:49:37,240 –> 00:49:40,720
40 years later after the because
one of the people that was

906
00:49:40,720 –> 00:49:44,040
arrested, he did it.
He, like the crowd, caught him

907
00:49:44,040 –> 00:49:46,000
with the gun in his hand and
beat the shit out of him.

908
00:49:46,320 –> 00:49:49,400
Yeah, like that wasn’t a there
wasn’t a mystery as to who did.

909
00:49:49,600 –> 00:49:52,160
It’s like, I think it’s the guy
with the gun who just shot him.

910
00:49:52,400 –> 00:49:54,840
Yeah, OK.
And then in the Malcolm X

911
00:49:55,160 –> 00:49:58,240
documentary on Netflix, you
actually see one of the people

912
00:49:58,280 –> 00:50:01,240
that they suspect was one of the
other shooters just like,

913
00:50:01,400 –> 00:50:04,280
casually walk away as that guy’s
getting his ass beat.

914
00:50:05,040 –> 00:50:08,280
And yeah, even that guy was
like, the other two you arrested

915
00:50:08,280 –> 00:50:11,520
had nothing to do with this.
And those dudes went to prison

916
00:50:11,520 –> 00:50:13,760
for a long time.
Long, long time.

917
00:50:14,520 –> 00:50:17,960
One other thing I kind of forgot
to talk about, but they also

918
00:50:17,960 –> 00:50:20,760
talk about other like aside from
Fred Hampton, they talk about

919
00:50:20,760 –> 00:50:23,280
other things of brutality from
the CPD.

920
00:50:23,520 –> 00:50:27,640
There’s one speaker who brings
up, I forget exactly who told

921
00:50:27,640 –> 00:50:31,400
him the story, but he was saying
like how at one point he was

922
00:50:31,400 –> 00:50:34,720
held by the Chicago Police
Department and they held his

923
00:50:34,720 –> 00:50:39,200
nose and they started to shove
gauze in his mouth and he

924
00:50:39,200 –> 00:50:41,680
started like bleeding from there
and stuff.

925
00:50:41,960 –> 00:50:46,200
And it’s like a bunch of torture
shit that is kind of familiar

926
00:50:46,200 –> 00:50:49,400
to, like stuff that you would
see coming out from like 911

927
00:50:49,400 –> 00:50:53,360
type torture shit.
Or the Black Ops saw it that the

928
00:50:53,400 –> 00:50:57,840
CPD had in the 2000s that’s
depicted on The Good Wife.

929
00:50:58,160 –> 00:51:00,960
Like, yeah, that.
Still blows in my mind that The

930
00:51:00,960 –> 00:51:03,360
Good Wife was on that story so
early.

931
00:51:03,600 –> 00:51:05,760
The Kings fucking love the
kings.

932
00:51:06,040 –> 00:51:08,600
Michelle and Robert, you.
Don’t like Julianna Margulies

933
00:51:08,600 –> 00:51:09,720
that.
Person’s piece of shit.

934
00:51:10,520 –> 00:51:13,960
That’s why The Good Fight is the
best show ever, because it is

935
00:51:13,960 –> 00:51:15,880
The Good Wife.
Without her.

936
00:51:16,440 –> 00:51:20,440
Minus Julianna Margulies, plus a
bunch of black people and

937
00:51:20,440 –> 00:51:22,600
cursing.
And more Christine Baranski.

938
00:51:22,720 –> 00:51:26,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the good fight
fucking rules, and you will

939
00:51:26,040 –> 00:51:30,000
learn shit watching that show.
So yeah, William O’Neill, we

940
00:51:30,000 –> 00:51:33,240
should talk about what happened
with that guy.

941
00:51:33,400 –> 00:51:37,600
For one thing.
Again, do we know if the FBI had

942
00:51:37,600 –> 00:51:39,800
any involvement?
Well, we know William O’Neill

943
00:51:39,800 –> 00:51:44,680
got a bonus from the FBI after
this raid on Fred Hampton, so

944
00:51:44,680 –> 00:51:46,600
something happened that they
liked.

945
00:51:46,800 –> 00:51:51,440
But also he eventually sat down
for an interview with a

946
00:51:51,520 –> 00:51:55,920
documentary series called Eyes
on the Prize about his role in

947
00:51:55,920 –> 00:52:00,120
the death of Fred Hampton, and
he ended up committing suicide

948
00:52:00,360 –> 00:52:04,200
before that episode came out.
History has since painted it as

949
00:52:04,200 –> 00:52:07,360
him watching the episode and
then killing himself.

950
00:52:07,480 –> 00:52:11,440
He actually watched the first
episode of the series and then

951
00:52:11,560 –> 00:52:13,560
didn’t even wait for his episode
to air.

952
00:52:13,720 –> 00:52:15,920
He was just like, Oh yeah, this
isn’t going to be.

953
00:52:16,080 –> 00:52:17,400
Good.
Apparently that wasn’t his first

954
00:52:17,400 –> 00:52:21,600
attempt either, because trigger
warning for suicide stuff.

955
00:52:21,600 –> 00:52:25,200
But like, yeah, he walked onto
like a freeway, got hit by a

956
00:52:25,200 –> 00:52:27,880
car, but he had also tried and
he died.

957
00:52:27,880 –> 00:52:32,040
But he had also apparently tried
that like a year or two earlier,

958
00:52:32,120 –> 00:52:35,120
the exact same method.
But he lived when he got hit by

959
00:52:35,120 –> 00:52:37,560
a car that time.
So this has been kind of

960
00:52:37,560 –> 00:52:40,360
weighing on him for a while.
So I bet.

961
00:52:40,560 –> 00:52:44,160
Yeah, I can imagine so, yeah.
I bet that weighed on him.

962
00:52:44,400 –> 00:52:48,640
So yeah, will this documentary.
You can watch it on Max.

963
00:52:48,840 –> 00:52:50,160
It is streaming.
It’s.

964
00:52:50,200 –> 00:52:53,640
On Max, but I think so this was
like I said, this is made by

965
00:52:53,640 –> 00:52:56,440
some Chicago film makers.
I think it’s under like the

966
00:52:56,440 –> 00:52:59,920
Chicago film makers something.
But I think they have a YouTube

967
00:52:59,920 –> 00:53:03,320
channel that has all of the
documentaries that that group in

968
00:53:03,320 –> 00:53:06,440
the 70s did because they do a
couple others, but I’m not

969
00:53:06,440 –> 00:53:08,720
positive on that.
I need to double check it, but

970
00:53:08,920 –> 00:53:11,320
it’s for sure they’re on Max
right now and it’s just the

971
00:53:11,320 –> 00:53:13,320
murder of Fred Hampton.
Yeah, I’ll look for it.

972
00:53:13,320 –> 00:53:16,360
If I can find it on YouTube,
I’ll link to it in the show

973
00:53:16,360 –> 00:53:18,440
notes.
People should check it out.

974
00:53:18,440 –> 00:53:21,480
If you want a highly
entertaining version of the

975
00:53:21,480 –> 00:53:23,800
story, that is.
They embellish it a little bit,

976
00:53:23,800 –> 00:53:27,000
probably because it’s a movie,
but Judas and the Black Messiah

977
00:53:27,200 –> 00:53:29,560
is so good.
There’s a reason Daniel Kalua

978
00:53:29,560 –> 00:53:31,600
won fucking Oscar for that
movie.

979
00:53:31,800 –> 00:53:33,920
It’s such a good actor.
You suck.

980
00:53:34,080 –> 00:53:38,120
They both him and the.
Key stamp is so fucking good.

981
00:53:38,440 –> 00:53:42,280
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, that is a
fantastic movie.

982
00:53:42,400 –> 00:53:46,560
Cannot recommend it enough.
Do we have any final thoughts on

983
00:53:46,800 –> 00:53:49,280
Fred Hampton?
What a goddamn tragedy.

984
00:53:50,000 –> 00:53:53,880
Yeah, again, like kind of, I
don’t want to say overlook

985
00:53:53,880 –> 00:53:56,840
because he did get a big budget
movie made out of him and stuff,

986
00:53:56,840 –> 00:54:03,440
but I feel not as widely
recognized for like the level of

987
00:54:03,440 –> 00:54:05,960
loss.
Because again, it’s not just

988
00:54:05,960 –> 00:54:07,760
that he was like a great speaker
and everything.

989
00:54:07,760 –> 00:54:11,160
But clearly when you’re seeing
him talk about the stuff in the

990
00:54:11,160 –> 00:54:14,520
documentary, he’s very
thoughtful about what he’s

991
00:54:14,520 –> 00:54:16,760
saying.
He’s not just raging out against

992
00:54:16,760 –> 00:54:20,080
an oppressive system.
Like he has a very thoughtful

993
00:54:20,080 –> 00:54:24,680
presentation of how to
deconstruct the problems and the

994
00:54:24,680 –> 00:54:28,840
way that they oppress us, be it
from just general capitalism

995
00:54:28,920 –> 00:54:34,160
some to education reform, to
just not being able to eat as a

996
00:54:34,160 –> 00:54:36,880
child.
Like he really had a lot of

997
00:54:36,880 –> 00:54:41,080
different plans that he wanted
to enact in order to help lift

998
00:54:41,080 –> 00:54:43,880
people.
And again, 21 fucking years old,

999
00:54:43,880 –> 00:54:49,080
man. 21 years old.
And if you watch him speak just

1000
00:54:49,080 –> 00:54:52,880
in this documentary, what’s
really clear is there was no

1001
00:54:52,880 –> 00:54:56,640
social media then.
So most Americans were not

1002
00:54:56,640 –> 00:55:00,840
hearing Fred Hampton speak.
As more Americans would have

1003
00:55:00,840 –> 00:55:04,840
heard Fred Hampton speak, it was
going to get a lot harder for

1004
00:55:04,840 –> 00:55:08,120
the government to paint the
Black Panthers as some kind of

1005
00:55:08,200 –> 00:55:10,840
scary group that is out to kill
white people.

1006
00:55:10,920 –> 00:55:14,400
That was going to get really
fucking hard as more people were

1007
00:55:14,440 –> 00:55:17,520
actually able to hear Fred
Hampton talk.

1008
00:55:17,600 –> 00:55:20,600
So I’m not surprised the
government killed him.

1009
00:55:20,880 –> 00:55:23,720
That’s what the government was
doing in the 60s.

1010
00:55:23,960 –> 00:55:27,520
It stopped since, but that’s
what we were doing.

1011
00:55:27,720 –> 00:55:30,240
The American government was
fucking killing civil rights

1012
00:55:30,240 –> 00:55:32,520
leaders in the 60s.
That was our bag.

1013
00:55:32,800 –> 00:55:36,360
Also, again, like I think both
of us mentioned a couple of

1014
00:55:36,360 –> 00:55:40,880
times, but if you are looking at
like current news and you get

1015
00:55:40,880 –> 00:55:44,000
frustrated by the way the media
handles it or by the way that

1016
00:55:44,000 –> 00:55:47,440
like the people who are in
positions to like lead activist

1017
00:55:47,440 –> 00:55:51,480
movements and stuff, kind of
like half ass certain things.

1018
00:55:51,760 –> 00:55:54,800
You’re not imagining it that is
actually happening.

1019
00:55:54,800 –> 00:55:58,080
And then you could just watch
the way that he speaks about it

1020
00:55:58,080 –> 00:56:01,720
and the way that the journalists
that are like in just cameo

1021
00:56:01,720 –> 00:56:06,240
stuff at the end speak to those
in power to see it wasn’t always

1022
00:56:06,240 –> 00:56:09,240
that way.
So yeah, you’re not going crazy.

1023
00:56:09,520 –> 00:56:13,560
Journalism has gotten worse, and
we’re worse for it.

1024
00:56:13,720 –> 00:56:17,240
I will never be a oh, the media
is the enemy of the people type,

1025
00:56:17,360 –> 00:56:19,040
but the media doesn’t help a
lot.

1026
00:56:19,560 –> 00:56:23,360
A lot of cases the media does
not fucking help whatsoever.

1027
00:56:23,440 –> 00:56:29,280
And like we’ve covered so many
things on this podcast that just

1028
00:56:29,400 –> 00:56:32,560
would not happen now.
The church committee hearings

1029
00:56:32,560 –> 00:56:34,440
would never fucking happen.
Now.

1030
00:56:34,520 –> 00:56:36,520
I don’t think Watergate would
happen.

1031
00:56:36,680 –> 00:56:41,000
I like, Can you imagine right
now if it came out, Oh, Trump

1032
00:56:41,080 –> 00:56:44,080
had some people break into an
office and steal some documents?

1033
00:56:44,240 –> 00:56:46,720
I think even people on the left
would be like, that’s pretty

1034
00:56:46,720 –> 00:56:48,480
minor stuff.
Yeah.

1035
00:56:49,080 –> 00:56:50,840
That’s all.
That’s all he did.

1036
00:56:50,880 –> 00:56:53,960
Oh, yeah.
But also, Watergate’s kind of

1037
00:56:53,960 –> 00:56:56,120
overrated.
I feel like Watergate.

1038
00:56:56,280 –> 00:57:01,080
Watergate feels like a little
bit of a government initiative

1039
00:57:01,280 –> 00:57:04,080
to be like, oh, can you?
Can you believe when the

1040
00:57:04,080 –> 00:57:05,960
government was at our absolute
worst?

1041
00:57:05,960 –> 00:57:09,240
When we had someone break into a
psychiatrist’s office and steal

1042
00:57:09,240 –> 00:57:11,560
some files?
It’s like that is not when the

1043
00:57:11,560 –> 00:57:14,280
government was at its worst.
Even the worst thing you

1044
00:57:14,280 –> 00:57:16,240
probably did that night,
probably some.

1045
00:57:16,520 –> 00:57:19,000
There’s probably some shit in
Cuba you tried to pull off that

1046
00:57:19,000 –> 00:57:20,440
no one was paying attention to.
Yeah.

1047
00:57:21,600 –> 00:57:23,800
Have you looked into fucking MK
Ultra?

1048
00:57:24,000 –> 00:57:27,080
Have you looked?
I mean, even that Wormwood

1049
00:57:27,080 –> 00:57:31,800
documentary where the whole
story for most of it is, Oh,

1050
00:57:31,800 –> 00:57:33,800
yeah, don’t.
Yeah, we gave that guy too much

1051
00:57:33,800 –> 00:57:35,160
acid.
That’s why he jumped out the

1052
00:57:35,160 –> 00:57:36,200
window.
Oh, my God.

1053
00:57:36,560 –> 00:57:39,240
And then you find out at the
end, it’s like, no, he was going

1054
00:57:39,400 –> 00:57:42,840
to tell on us for using chemical
weapons in Korea.

1055
00:57:43,000 –> 00:57:47,360
And so they had to kill him.
Anytime the CIA is like, I got

1056
00:57:47,360 –> 00:57:49,640
us, you don’t got them.
They did something else.

1057
00:57:49,640 –> 00:57:53,080
They’re just like the.
Government likes to it’s just

1058
00:57:54,040 –> 00:57:58,080
man, if that was the worst thing
that they did, it was just

1059
00:57:58,200 –> 00:58:01,880
breaking into a hotel to steal
like that, we would have been so

1060
00:58:01,880 –> 00:58:03,760
off so much better.
If that’s the worst thing the

1061
00:58:03,760 –> 00:58:06,520
government has ever done, or
that a president has ever done,

1062
00:58:06,880 –> 00:58:10,360
no so.
Need I remind anyone the Vietnam

1063
00:58:10,360 –> 00:58:12,840
War was happening during
Watergate?

1064
00:58:12,960 –> 00:58:14,280
I’d say that was worse.
Yeah.

1065
00:58:15,360 –> 00:58:19,320
So that’s our episode.
Logan, thank you so much for

1066
00:58:19,320 –> 00:58:20,840
doing the pod.
I appreciate it.

1067
00:58:20,960 –> 00:58:23,760
What do we have to plug before
we get out of here?

1068
00:58:23,760 –> 00:58:26,160
Follow me on Blue sky.
Adam dot brown dot B, sky dot

1069
00:58:26,160 –> 00:58:27,240
social.
What do you want to?

1070
00:58:27,680 –> 00:58:33,080
Plug, I’d like to plug our WNBA
podcast, which you can listen to

1071
00:58:33,080 –> 00:58:38,320
on this network.
Also, stop committing genocide.

1072
00:58:38,880 –> 00:58:42,200
That seems to be getting really
harder the past couple of weeks.

1073
00:58:42,400 –> 00:58:47,560
But, you know, yeah.
Also to quote the subject of

1074
00:58:47,560 –> 00:58:50,040
today’s episode, nothing is more
important than stopping fascism

1075
00:58:50,040 –> 00:58:51,760
because fascism will stop us
all.

1076
00:58:51,880 –> 00:58:54,520
So yeah.
Yep, 100%.

1077
00:58:54,640 –> 00:58:56,520
And that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here,

1078
00:58:56,520 –> 00:58:57,640
Logan.
Say goodbye.

1079
00:58:57,760 –> 00:58:59,720
Bye.
Goodbye everybody, we love you.