Adam and Connor talk about an infamous plan created by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962 that called for staging false flag attacks on Americans in the name of justifying an invasion of Cuba, and how it might relate to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
Show notes: https://rebrand.ly/wcqm2h5
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I.
Hey everybody, welcome to
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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown,
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joining me as Co host this week.
Connor’s here.
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How’s it going, man?
Going good, Adam.
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I am excited about today’s topic
because, spoiler alert, I think
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This is why JFK got killed.
Yeah, you know, especially when
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you dovetail it with one of the
last speeches he gave being
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about exposing secret societies.
Yeah, this definitely feels like
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motive for killing JFK.
And this is a kind of conspiracy
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theory that I feel like brings
conspiracy theorists of all
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swaths together because it’s
something we can all get on
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board with, which is a confirmed
false flag.
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Yeah, from.
The US government, everybody
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loves an operation Northwoods, a
Gulf of Tonkin, you know. 911.
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911.
Yeah, we’re talking about
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Operation Northwoods, which was
a planned series of false flag
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attacks against Americans,
Cubans, you know, pretty much
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anyone who was in line to take
it.
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Anybody that we can make it look
like the Cubans did it.
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You know, yeah, yeah.
It was all in the name of
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justifying an invasion of Cuba,
which should tell listeners
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everything you need to know
about how much of A threat Cuba
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actually was.
We had to try and trick them
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into starting some shit and even
that did not work.
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Well, you know, it’s communism
90 miles away, Adam.
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If we let that keep up, we might
have universal healthcare right
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now.
You have.
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Do you have any idea how bad
things would be then?
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If we’re all nice and healthy?
Be fucking terrible.
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We do not let that kind of shit
slide on our half of the globe.
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So the story starts with the
Cuban Revolution and Castro
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toppling the Batista government.
US recognize Castro’s regime at
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first, mostly because there was
this New York Times profile that
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made it clear that Castro was
not affiliated with communism in
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any way.
So we reluctantly recognized his
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government at first.
They really wanted another
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Batista because Batista was just
in the pocket of the US.
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Yeah.
He was very favorable to US
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corporations and things of the
like.
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We started falling out of favor
with Castro after he executed
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700 Batista followers by way of
a firing squad.
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And we asked him about it and he
was like, hey, you dropped a
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nuclear bomb on Japan.
Can’t question me about killing
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civilians.
You killed thousands of
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civilians.
It’s a pretty good point.
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It’s a very, very valid point.
Don’t think it really makes
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killing civilians cool, but it’s
definitely yeah.
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If you’re in an argument with
America, it’s a good one to whip
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out.
Yeah, definitely not putting up
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American numbers by just killing
700 people.
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Also like we mentioned, Batista
way more accepting of US
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corporations making money in
Cuba.
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Castro way less keen on that.
The Castro regime was kind of
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like a hopped up version of
communism.
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They wanted to replace wage
labor altogether, eliminate the
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pursuit of personal wealth, and
that’s when all the rich people
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got the fuck out of Cuba and
went to my.
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I’m going to go somewhere.
These points are still good.
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So in response to the US
government questioning his
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policies, along with an incident
where a French ship carrying
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Belgian munitions exploded in
Havana harbor, which Castro
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blamed on the CIA?
Come on, the government of Cuba
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nationalized all American
property.
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So he’s just doing dude.
All this shit.
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He pressed the nationalization
button.
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Let’s go.
Yeah, yeah, that usually does
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not sit well with us.
It’s still insane to me that any
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country can own land in another
country.
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That just doesn’t make sense to
me.
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Yeah, that is pretty fucking
wild.
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The fact that we have a military
base in Cuba is pretty goddamn
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wild.
I didn’t know that.
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It’s well Guantanamo’s in Cuba.
I’m stupid.
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I was imagining A runway with
fighter jets.
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And so he turns to Russia for
support after that, and Russia
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provided that support.
Another thing the US hated back
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then still kind of hate it now,
but one of the roadblocks to
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overthrowing Castro was that the
American people kind of fucking
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loved him.
They just viewed Castro and his
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regime as these romantic freedom
fighters who were doing the best
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for their country, probably
because that’s what they were.
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Yeah, I mean, it Harkins back to
the origin story of America.
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You know, ragtag group of free
thinkers fighting against an
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evil monarch.
Yeah, that’s exactly that.
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And so if the US was going to
get him out of office, they had
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to shatter that image, otherwise
the bleeding hearts in this
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country would go nuts.
So they had to do something to
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change Castro’s image a little
bit.
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And those initiatives started in
the late 50s and early 60s.
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So still the Eisenhower
administration, on the advice of
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Richard Nixon, Eisenhower came
up with a plan called, quote, a
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program of covert action against
the Castro regime.
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End Quote.
AB Cacker.
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And it was decided that the
program needed three things to
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succeed.
Opposition to Castro among Cuban
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exiles in the USA, concerted
intelligence gathering effort
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within Cuba, and development of,
uh oh, a paramilitary force
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capable of concealing its
American origins shouldn’t be a
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problem.
No one ever suspects the US when
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strange fighters show up.
No, we’re not one to rustle up a
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couple freedom fighters and give
them some guns just so we can go
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take him away a couple years
later.
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Yeah, that’s one of the craziest
things about the Jonestown
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story.
While Jim Jones was in Guyana
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building essentially a slave
colony, a mind control slave
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colony, the US was also in
Guyana recruiting freedom
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fighters to take on like leaders
in Africa and shit.
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So big big huge coincidence
there that.
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Jim, you’re blowing up our spot.
Jim, this is kind of our spot
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where we fight.
We smoke, smoke out here.
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You guys can’t smoke out here
because we’ve been smoking out
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here.
There’s no cops.
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Chill.
Everyone speaks English.
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So nine months after this plan
was adopted, the US broke off
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diplomatic relations with Cuba,
at which point Eisenhower just
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sat back and waited for the
perfect opportunity to launch
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his invasion.
And that opportunity never
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fucking came.
So JFK took office in 61.
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He also signed off on this plan,
but mostly because Nixon omitted
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a bunch of the more inflammatory
details when he pitched it to
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JFK.
That doesn’t sound like the
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Richard Nixon I know.
No, no.
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Old good old forthcoming Dick.
Sounds like something a crook
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would do, and he famously told
us he is not a crook so couldn’t
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be.
So one of the big ironies of all
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this is that everyone involved
was sure they’d be able to keep
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this plan secret, even while
officials in Cuba were just
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openly saying in speeches that
they knew the US was planning
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some sort of invasion.
We’re trying to provoke them
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into attacking the US And
somehow the military in the US
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was like, yeah, but they don’t
really know, right?
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They say they know what we’re
doing, but they don’t know.
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So America has this like
pretentious thing where they
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don’t speak English, we just
assume they’re fucking stupid.
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Yes, 100%.
They even pinpointed where we
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were training the paramilitary
forces.
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It was in, I think, either
Honduras or Guatemala.
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And in a speech, some Cuban
official was like, yeah, they’re
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training people in Honduras for
this.
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We know or.
Even people without half the
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resources that we have will
fight us to a draw using sharp
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sticks covered in poop.
You know, like buried a pit.
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Yeah.
And that, I mean, kind of sums
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up the Bay of Pigs, the invasion
where it ends up being like 1400
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paramilitary soldiers.
And we launched this invasion,
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the Bay of Pigs invasion.
And not only do people kind of
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know it’s coming to the point
that the beach we landed on,
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there were like floodlights
everywhere.
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So we had to, like, change where
we landed at the last minute.
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They end up landing in a swamp
in the South of Cuba and run
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into a bunch of.
Donkey.
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There’s a bunch of freedom
fighters in the swamp.
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Donkey.
And they end up kind of getting
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stuck.
They hit a bunch of coral reefs
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that they thought were seaweed.
And this invasion just goes
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terribly.
Like infamously bad people get
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fucking killed.
Castro’s regime took some
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losses, but he stayed in power,
so we failed to overthrow him.
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And the failure of BAYA pigs
gave some world leaders, most
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importantly Nikita Khrushchev,
the opinion that JFK was weak on
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foreign policy.
And that impression ends up
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getting way stronger when the
two of them have their first and
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only face to face meeting where
Khrushchev apparently just
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fucking steamrolled JFK to the
point that JFK he came out of
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the meeting saying he felt like
he’d been treated like a little
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boy.
He brought out the rich kid in
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him, you know, he all this, he
was helpless.
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I guess I didn’t realize this
about the JFK administration,
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but he really was, I think maybe
one of the first people to be
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seen as like a woke liberal who
was too idealistic to do what
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the country needed to be done.
That seems like the military’s
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standpoint on JFK was that he
was just too soft or.
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He didn’t understand that that
we’re in the business of coups
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and.
Yeah, and.
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Paramilitary, a group of the
groups of ragtag government
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haters.
You know, being used to install
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puppet #7.
Yeah, that is extremely our
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shit.
And Khrushchev was even more
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staunch in his belief that
Kennedy was soft after he
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authorized the construction of
the Berlin Wall.
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And Kennedy didn’t say or do
shit about it.
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And this was kind of how the
Cuban Missile crisis happened,
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because Khrushchev is like, man,
Kennedy’s not going to do shit
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no matter what we do.
Let’s start sending missiles to
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Cuba.
And he was kind of right.
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We we were planning to do
something and he ended up
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withdrawing those missiles, but
we didn’t do shit about it.
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Yeah, it’s interesting that they
seem to be able to tell he was
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shook.
Yeah.
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And so immediately after the Bay
of Pigs, Kennedy signed three
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national security memos intended
to, quote, gut the CIA and
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prevent the agency from carrying
out clandestine operations.
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He wanted to take a bunch of
power from the CIA and hand it
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over to the Joint Chiefs Staff,
including control over
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paramilitary groups, which, uh
oh.
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Right there, yeah.
That doesn’t seem so smart.
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And for the record, I just
started going through all of the
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JFK assassination files, and
they start at a really
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interesting place because what I
learned researching this is
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there was a big rift between the
CIA and the military and
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Kennedy.
Kennedy wanted a more moderate
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approach to Cuba.
The CIA and the military were
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like, let’s fucking invade, we
need to do it now.
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And it gets so intense that at
one point even the Joint Chiefs
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of Staff stopped telling Kennedy
what they’re planning.
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And I’m sure it’s just
coincidence, but the JFK files
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start with three years of
minutes and notes from the
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meetings between the CIA, the
military, and JFK’s.
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He called it his like special
foreign Advisory Board or
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something like that.
And it’s just years.
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This special fab everyone you
know.
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Yeah, and it’s the entire first
batch of files are just years of
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minutes and notes from these
meetings about their
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disagreements on the Cuba
situation.
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I bet they put them in there
just to fucking make bore the
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shit out of you so you wouldn’t
get to the real stuff.
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Yeah, but also you got to wonder
why they’re there and why it
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starts with that.
If these are files about JFK’s
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assassination, did something
happen in those meetings that
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led to him being assassinated?
Because that’s at least one of
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the theories.
My theory after researching
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this, our favorite theory about
it is that he was shot
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accidentally by a Secret Service
agent.
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I think Lee Harvey Oswald was
supposed to just shoot at
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Kennedy to scare him into
wanting to invade Cuba.
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And I think they fucked up and
accidentally killed Kennedy.
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That’s what I think happened.
Interesting.
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It was like a intimidation job
gone wrong.
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Because, and we’ll get into more
of the details as we go through
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this, but the Joint Chiefs, he
ends up giving them the power
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over all this paramilitary stuff
because he trusts them more than
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the CIA.
But then the Joint Chiefs also
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start kind of losing faith in
Kennedy and the idea that he’s
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soft on Cuba.
So they start doing all this
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shit in secret, also that
they’re not telling Kennedy
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about.
And a lot of, as we get into the
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Operation Northwoods stuff, some
of those plans just straight up
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involve killing people, like
letting people die to justify an
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invasion of Cuba.
What would have stopped them
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from trying to pull one of these
false flags on Kennedy himself?
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Because that was their whole MO
was we We have to stage these
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events.
One of them is going to provoke
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Cuba to attack us or sell the
American people on the idea that
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we need to attack Cuba.
And what better way to convince
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Kennedy you need to invade Cuba
than someone tries to fucking
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kill him on Castro’s behalf?
Yep, that’s a good way to start
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a grudge.
Yeah, sure is.
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If the Midas Touch guys tried to
take out Adam because he was
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scooping them on all their, all
the high conspiracies, you know,
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I mean, we’d, we’d probably
throw hands.
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Is that a podcast?
I think that’s the number one
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podcast in the America right
now.
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My God, yeah, let’s fucking kill
him.
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I said if they tried to kill
you, we would, you know?
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Well this is where our rift
forms.
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I think we should take pre
emptive action and kill them
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first.
Well, you know, I have been
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hearing rumors about this for,
you know, 1520 seconds now.
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So back to Operation Northwoods.
Before we get there, we got to
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talk about the awesomely named
Operation Mongoose.
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Killer name for an operation.
Yeah, just I still to this day
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don’t really know what a
Mongoose looks like.
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I just know they kill snakes and
that’s bad ass.
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As I understand it, they kind of
look like a ferret or a weasel
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that’s like been to jail.
Can’t they like teach the other
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ferrets and weasels how to kill
snakes?
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Like I don’t.
What do they do that’s so
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special?
Don’t get it?
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No, they’re pretty fucking cute
though.
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Yeah, according to if Google
images to be.
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Believed.
When can you do not trust Google
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these days?
I just had a Google AI overview
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tell me the Auschwitz gift shop
sells Woody Allen biographies.
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Like I bet that’s not true.
I bet you got that from the
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wrong website.
But Auschwitz does have a gift
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shop.
For the record, yes, exit
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through the gift shop, baby.
I’d be surprised, but not that
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surprised if they had a copy of
Without Feathers for sale.
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Yeah, I mean, if he mentions the
Holocaust, I could see it.
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It would be less weird than the
RFK assassination souvenir
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program I found at the Reagan
Library.
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That’s for God damn sure.
Would make more sense for that
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to be at Auschwitz than that RFK
thing being at the Reagan
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Library.
That’s definitely the king of
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weird souvenirs.
Sure is so operation Mongoose.
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This was sort of an umbrella
operation that involved a bunch
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of other splinter operations,
and this is where all the silly
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like exploding cigar shit comes
from.
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It really turns into some
Keystone Cop shit trying to
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assassinate Castro.
This is where the like the
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corporate DARPA Deep state
starts to include the Acme
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Corporation as well as Lockheed
Martin and Boeing.
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Yeah, they also at one point had
a plan to poison his wet suit.
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That’s my favorite one.
I love that one.
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I love why it didn’t work.
Someone gifted him a new wet
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suit at the last minute.
Yeah, and he like got re gifted
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to somebody, just killed his
nephew or something.
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Ah, this government.
There was also a plan to apply
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thallium salts to Castro his
shoes, which would cause his
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beard to fall out.
What the fuck’s that going to
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do?
I got to figure we could spend
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some of this energy and we could
figure out the math on like
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Medicare for all or anything.
You would think so, yeah.
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We’re so good at making these
Looney Tunes doomsday devices.
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It’s like, could we turn any of
that attention domestically?
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Yeah, that would be nice.
So some of the other programs
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that ran under Operation
Mongoose, there was Operation
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Smasher, which I include just
because of the name.
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It was intended to disrupt or
disable military communication
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facilities in Cuba.
Operation Free Ride, I love this
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one, was meant to cause dissent
by dropping a stockpile of one
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way plane tickets to places like
Mexico and Venezuela.
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Not America though, along with
propaganda leaflets designed to
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make people want to flee.
So they get this plane ticket,
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they read this leaflet and
they’re like, yeah, I will head
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to the airport right now.
Was Cuba going to let those
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people leave?
Probably not.
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Yeah, that.
Also, this seems like an insane
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expense for something that like
is going to like half of those
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are going to get caught in a
tree or something.
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Right.
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
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Go in the water, get all fucked
up just by the wind blowing.
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You know someone steps on it,
rips it in halves.
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This is God.
We spend money on this stupidest
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shit.
Yeah, we sure do.
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Yeah, this program, it was
supposed to cost $13 million and
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it ended up costing like
46,000,000, something like that.
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In 1963 dollars, yes.
Yes, that is a shit ton of
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money.
There was also Operation
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Breakup, a proposed opposed
series of military attacks where
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corrosive materials would be
used to cause plane, ships and
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vehicles to malfunction and
crash.
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Because they were getting all of
this equipment from the Soviet
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Union, we were going to
basically sabotage that
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equipment to destroy Cuba’s
faith in the Soviet Union so
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they would quit leaning on
Russia for help.
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There’s a great video.
I love Doug Demiro reviewing a
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car, Tribont.
It’s a Soviet sedan that Russia
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built and it’s just of this
piece of shit car that
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everything about it is is like
chintzy and ready to fail.
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I don’t.
You don’t need to do any of this
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with Russian machinery.
It’s already going to happen.
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Yeah, 100%.
They also ran a similar scheme
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called Operation Full Up that
was targeted towards Soviet fuel
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being sent to Cuba, where they
were going to inject some
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biological agent into the fuel
tanks and that agent
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proliferates itself and
basically eats the gas and just
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replaces the gas with whatever
that agent is.
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That’s kind of a cool.
Sabotage is like I chemically
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converted all of your gas to
some inert lame ass molecule
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that’s totally valueless.
Yeah, and this is the kind of
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shit you hear about happening.
And people are like, OK, that’s
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a conspiracy theory.
The American government wouldn’t
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do that.
Yeah, they would love doing shit
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like this.
There’s also Operation Cover Up,
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slash Operation Dirty Trick.
This one is great.
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It was a two-part scheme where
if John Glenn’s Mercury space
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mission failed.
We were going to frame Cuba for
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sabotaging it, and we were going
to use that to invade Cuba.
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Wow, we should.
Have done that with all those
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rockets that Elon blew up.
We should have been like it was
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Russia.
Yeah, or the space shuttle.
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I’m surprised we didn’t blame
the space shuttle Challenger on
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Russia.
That was right smack dab in the
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middle of the Cold War.
It was right there.
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Reagan.
Yeah, come on.
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That is one of my favorite
conspiracies.
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I don’t.
I feel like Keith was actually
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on that.
The episode where we covered it.
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But the Space Shuttle
Challenger, there are fucking
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doppelgangers of every single
person who was on on the space
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shuttle Challenger.
Oh, I remember this.
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Still out there in the world,
working in the exact same fields
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that those people worked in.
Yeah, not they didn’t even
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change their names from like
Mary to Sally.
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Nothing.
Yeah, just absolute twins.
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It’s very odd.
And even with this, there is at
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one point we’re going to get to
a plot that involved framing
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Cuba for shooting down a
commercial plane.
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And what we were going to do was
have college students board this
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commercial plane under false
identities and then have a
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second fake plane take off at
the same time.
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And at one point, the real plane
was just going to land somewhere
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in the fake plane would continue
on pretending to be the real
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plane.
And then we were going to shoot
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that down and blame Cuba.
There’s no reason we couldn’t
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have done something similar with
the fucking space shuttle
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Challenger.
Send that up in the sky while
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everyone’s looking at that
exploding, we’re fucking
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launching something else.
That’s actually one of the
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conspiracies about the
Challengers that we were
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actually doing like Russia
reconnaissance shit and just
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blew up a space shuttle to.
Oh, just as a fucking slight of
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hand distraction.
Like a diversion.
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So Operation Bingo, that was
going to be a staged attack on
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the naval base at Guantanamo
that would appear to be carried
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out by Cuba.
This one deserves some extra
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attention, mostly because the
first part of the plan was to
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deposit a nest of hissing snakes
outside the gates of the base,
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because it was apparently a type
of snake whose sound is similar
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to an active firefighter.
And they asked the general’s 9
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year old nephew what he thought.
And they were assuming if they
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drop these snakes, people from
the base would come out and
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start firing.
And we could be like, look, they
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were firing at Cuban agents who
were trying to invade this base.
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We got to invade Cuba.
Everything we were doing was
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just meant to justify invading
Cuba.
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And none of it fucking worked,
including operation.
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Good time, couldn’t.
We get a fucking speaker system
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and just play audio.
Could get a vinyl record of a
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gunfight happening like we had
didn’t we have this shit?
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So can we hooked up with Jenner?
I mean, come on.
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Like snakes.
We’re going with snakes that
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sound like guns.
And do we just have those or
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were we going to have to like?
Yeah.
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Do we have a a warehouse
somewhere where we’ve been
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breeding the ones that sound the
most like guns with the ones
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that sound the most like guns to
make the gunniest?
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Gun snakes, because we were
stockpiling shellfish toxin for
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a long time.
The intelligence community was
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they were obsessed with
shellfish toxin.
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Well that shit gets you fucking
high dude.
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Have you ever tried it?
It’s good stuff, man.
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No, but it is if I’m ever going
to be assassinated it’s my
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preferred way to go so.
How does shellfish toxin affect
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the blood a man’s humors?
I’m not sure exactly how, but
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the CIA developed a shellfish
toxin weapon at one point.
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They fucking showed it at the
church committee hearings and it
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fired a little needle that was
almost undetectable if it went
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into the skin and it would kill
a person in seconds.
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You would just like kind of pass
out and die painlessly.
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Which?
That sounds pretty cash.
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Yeah, that actually sounds like
pretty humane way to go about
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it.
I have read that on the pain
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index, a shotgun in the mouth is
the least painful way to die
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because it just liquefies your
ability to experience sensations
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with the Press of a button
almost immediately.
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Yeah, I imagine that would be
the quickest way.
439
00:24:15,080 –> 00:24:18,520
But it just doesn’t have the
romantic gravitas that is CIA
440
00:24:18,520 –> 00:24:20,920
shellfish toxin gun has.
Yeah, yeah.
441
00:24:20,920 –> 00:24:25,600
That’s one of the kind of OG
conspiracy theories about JFK,
442
00:24:25,600 –> 00:24:29,960
is that his limo driver actually
turned around and shot him after
443
00:24:29,960 –> 00:24:31,680
Lee Harvey Oswald started
shooting.
444
00:24:31,800 –> 00:24:36,800
And I do not believe that theory
because it is claimed that he
445
00:24:36,800 –> 00:24:41,560
used the shellfish toxin gun.
But the way they describe it
446
00:24:41,680 –> 00:24:44,520
working in the conspiracy theory
is not the way the shellfish
447
00:24:44,520 –> 00:24:47,920
toxin gun actually worked
because they were saying if you
448
00:24:47,920 –> 00:24:51,680
shot him from such close range
it would at least explode and
449
00:24:51,720 –> 00:24:54,280
look like a bullet.
But no, the shellfish toxin
450
00:24:54,280 –> 00:24:57,440
bullets didn’t explode, they
just gave you shellfish toxin.
451
00:24:57,560 –> 00:25:00,040
So I don’t believe that, but it
was a theory.
452
00:25:00,560 –> 00:25:03,240
Gunned down in his prime by an
evil clam.
453
00:25:04,200 –> 00:25:05,960
So I briefly mentioned
operation.
454
00:25:05,960 –> 00:25:08,320
Good time.
Which one of the best softie
455
00:25:08,320 –> 00:25:10,280
movies but one of the worst
operations?
456
00:25:11,000 –> 00:25:14,760
It was intended to disillusion
the Cuban public with Castro by
457
00:25:14,760 –> 00:25:18,720
way of distributing doctored
photos of him eating fancy meals
458
00:25:18,840 –> 00:25:21,000
and gallivanting with attractive
women.
459
00:25:21,040 –> 00:25:24,360
With one of the photos including
a caption that read My Ration is
460
00:25:24,360 –> 00:25:25,800
Different, that might have
worked.
461
00:25:26,600 –> 00:25:29,040
Yeah, that’s not the worst smear
campaign I’ve ever heard.
462
00:25:29,160 –> 00:25:33,520
Like, I always sort of hated
Gavin Newsom, but once those
463
00:25:33,520 –> 00:25:37,480
pictures of him eating at French
Laundry unmasked with a whole
464
00:25:37,480 –> 00:25:41,240
bunch of people came out, like
the day he put the mask order in
465
00:25:41,240 –> 00:25:45,360
place and it’s like, you fucking
scumbag, Yeah, that sucks.
466
00:25:45,480 –> 00:25:48,240
If anything, it’s just like, I
lose so much respect for you
467
00:25:48,240 –> 00:25:51,160
because of your lack of
understanding of optics.
468
00:25:51,560 –> 00:25:54,440
Yeah, and it’s like politics is
optics, bitch like.
469
00:25:54,880 –> 00:25:57,760
He’s given the right wingers
exactly what they want in that
470
00:25:57,880 –> 00:26:00,000
moment.
He’s giving right wingers
471
00:26:00,000 –> 00:26:02,240
something to point at and go see
they’re faking it.
472
00:26:02,640 –> 00:26:04,200
This.
They don’t think Covid’s real.
473
00:26:04,280 –> 00:26:05,280
Good job.
Gavin Newsom.
474
00:26:05,440 –> 00:26:07,760
But I mean, I say that as if
he’s not a fucking right winger
475
00:26:07,760 –> 00:26:08,960
himself.
Yeah, true.
476
00:26:09,120 –> 00:26:13,240
So Operation Northwoods came out
of the Defense Department in
477
00:26:13,240 –> 00:26:17,160
1962.
By February of 62, the Kennedy
478
00:26:17,160 –> 00:26:21,240
administration had abandoned
most of its Fuck with Cuba
479
00:26:21,240 –> 00:26:23,440
initiatives.
They were just doing the really
480
00:26:23,440 –> 00:26:27,040
serious ones, like poisoning his
wet suits and blowing up his
481
00:26:27,040 –> 00:26:28,760
cigar.
That’s the thing, the Joint
482
00:26:28,760 –> 00:26:32,160
Chiefs by this point were so mad
at Kennedy.
483
00:26:32,160 –> 00:26:34,000
They were like, yeah, sure,
we’ll stop.
484
00:26:34,000 –> 00:26:37,000
They did not stop.
They kept planning Operation
485
00:26:37,040 –> 00:26:40,280
Northwoods.
It was the brainchild of a Joint
486
00:26:40,280 –> 00:26:43,040
Chiefs member named General
Lyman Lemnitzer.
487
00:26:43,080 –> 00:26:48,080
He was a really cool, calm,
level headed fella who had
488
00:26:48,080 –> 00:26:51,920
previously pitched the idea of
just striking Russia with
489
00:26:51,920 –> 00:26:55,640
nuclear weapons unprovoked.
He was like, that’s the plan.
490
00:26:56,080 –> 00:26:57,400
I think that’s what we need to
do.
491
00:26:57,680 –> 00:27:01,320
We just need to bomb Russia.
I mean it’s fear.
492
00:27:01,320 –> 00:27:04,600
A complete psychopath with no
value for human life.
493
00:27:04,600 –> 00:27:06,600
I’m sure there is a window of
time where that would have
494
00:27:06,600 –> 00:27:08,320
worked.
Yeah, yeah, I’m sure.
495
00:27:08,400 –> 00:27:10,400
Yeah, because.
Nuclear Russia, like yeah.
496
00:27:10,680 –> 00:27:14,400
This was pretty early on because
when he pitched the idea he was
497
00:27:14,400 –> 00:27:17,120
like by 63 we’ll have enough
weapons to do it.
498
00:27:17,120 –> 00:27:20,560
So it was pretty early on where
we were like let’s end the
499
00:27:20,560 –> 00:27:24,720
fucking world why not?
He was a hardcore right winger
500
00:27:24,720 –> 00:27:27,880
and anti communist who believed
the government was riddled with
501
00:27:27,880 –> 00:27:30,800
communist traders.
Hated Kennedy.
502
00:27:30,840 –> 00:27:34,520
Fucking hated JFK and RFK both
actually.
503
00:27:34,600 –> 00:27:38,320
And Kennedy at least hated
Lemnitzer’s plans.
504
00:27:38,360 –> 00:27:41,040
And that’s why Lemnitzer hated
Kennedy.
505
00:27:41,080 –> 00:27:44,600
But also the military in general
just kind of hated Kennedy
506
00:27:44,600 –> 00:27:49,280
because he kept rejecting their
plans for covert action in Cuba.
507
00:27:49,320 –> 00:27:52,080
Well, the first one he went
along with went so well, what do
508
00:27:52,080 –> 00:27:54,280
you expect?
Yeah, who can blame him?
509
00:27:54,320 –> 00:27:57,640
There was a belief among
Pentagon generals that Kennedy’s
510
00:27:57,640 –> 00:28:01,400
social programs were, quote, too
socialist, and they resented
511
00:28:01,400 –> 00:28:04,720
Kennedy appointing civilians
who, quote, would not accept
512
00:28:04,720 –> 00:28:08,600
military judgments to powerful
positions in his cabinet.
513
00:28:08,680 –> 00:28:12,800
So we don’t know who killed JFK,
but the people in charge of the
514
00:28:12,800 –> 00:28:16,440
military sure had a reason to
want him gone.
515
00:28:16,520 –> 00:28:20,400
Lemnitzer wanted a full on
invasion of Cuba and instructed
516
00:28:20,400 –> 00:28:24,880
the Joint Chiefs to not keep
Kennedy in the loop about future
517
00:28:24,880 –> 00:28:26,680
plans.
And that’s how Operation
518
00:28:26,720 –> 00:28:29,640
Northwoods was born.
And so this is at this point,
519
00:28:29,640 –> 00:28:34,040
this is like a light coup even
just talking about this, right?
520
00:28:34,040 –> 00:28:36,360
Like, yeah.
It’s, I mean, they’re not
521
00:28:36,600 –> 00:28:41,360
killing him yet, but they are
effectively just going around
522
00:28:41,360 –> 00:28:44,840
the president and running the
government themselves, at least
523
00:28:44,840 –> 00:28:48,120
as it pertains to military shit
in Cuba.
524
00:28:48,200 –> 00:28:50,360
Yes, averting checks and
balances all of it.
525
00:28:50,480 –> 00:28:54,120
Yeah, and this is how Operation
Northwoods was born.
526
00:28:54,120 –> 00:28:58,080
It was a top secret plan that
included using drones.
527
00:28:58,080 –> 00:29:01,640
But I think when they say drones
here, they mean a different
528
00:29:01,840 –> 00:29:06,000
thing to stage attacks and
assaults on US naval vessels and
529
00:29:06,000 –> 00:29:09,960
facilities and creating terror
campaigns that appeared to be
530
00:29:09,960 –> 00:29:11,880
sponsored by the Cuban
government.
531
00:29:11,960 –> 00:29:16,160
At one point, it literally
called for CIA operatives and
532
00:29:16,160 –> 00:29:21,040
other intelligence agencies to
commit, quote, genuine acts of
533
00:29:21,040 –> 00:29:22,480
treason.
End Quote.
534
00:29:22,680 –> 00:29:26,000
In U.S. cities was also referred
to as performance art.
535
00:29:26,480 –> 00:29:30,120
We don’t bring art into.
This what a grim way to put
536
00:29:30,800 –> 00:29:33,960
killing Americans to justify an
invasion of Cuba.
537
00:29:33,960 –> 00:29:37,200
It’s like theater kids stuff.
It’s, and you’re getting so up
538
00:29:37,200 –> 00:29:39,480
your own ass about it, you’re
like, well, and what the most
539
00:29:39,480 –> 00:29:43,320
amazing part was how I sold that
it was really a real bombing of
540
00:29:43,320 –> 00:29:45,720
an American elementary school or
whatever the fuck.
541
00:29:45,720 –> 00:29:48,720
Like, yeah, it was all about my
performance.
542
00:29:49,160 –> 00:29:52,680
Yeah, this was some depraved
shit that they were planning.
543
00:29:52,720 –> 00:29:56,400
Lemnitzer himself signed off
personally on attacks on
544
00:29:56,400 –> 00:30:00,240
Washington, DC and Miami.
Kennedy rejected the plan and
545
00:30:00,240 –> 00:30:03,840
was reportedly disgusted with
its contents.
546
00:30:03,920 –> 00:30:07,440
This LED Lemnitzer to believe
Kennedy had gone soft on Cuba
547
00:30:07,440 –> 00:30:11,080
and the Soviets, so he just kept
planning Operation Northwoods on
548
00:30:11,080 –> 00:30:14,280
his own.
And Kennedy refusing to sign off
549
00:30:14,280 –> 00:30:17,200
on an invasion of Cuba just
makes him more and more
550
00:30:17,200 –> 00:30:20,760
unpopular with the military as
his presidency carried on.
551
00:30:20,840 –> 00:30:25,240
It’s mentioned in a book about
Northwoods that I used to
552
00:30:25,240 –> 00:30:27,960
research this that I’ll link to
in the show notes, that at one
553
00:30:27,960 –> 00:30:30,640
point Kennedy held a meeting
with the Joint Chiefs to try to
554
00:30:30,640 –> 00:30:34,640
clear the air, and his words
were greeted with nothing but,
555
00:30:34,640 –> 00:30:38,280
quote, icy silence.
Yeah, sounds like kind of a sick
556
00:30:38,280 –> 00:30:41,240
name for a rapper or something.
Now it’s icy silence.
557
00:30:41,640 –> 00:30:46,800
Yeah, so Lemnitzer had taken to
bad mouthing Kennedy in front of
558
00:30:46,800 –> 00:30:50,720
soldiers by the end of 62.
Relations with Kennedy in the
559
00:30:50,720 –> 00:30:55,720
military are at an all time low.
At one point, a Senate committee
560
00:30:55,720 –> 00:30:58,640
called for an investigation into
the relationship between the
561
00:30:58,640 –> 00:31:01,920
Joint Chiefs and right wing
extremists on account of how
562
00:31:01,920 –> 00:31:05,240
indiscriminately Lemnitzer was
passing around Operation
563
00:31:05,240 –> 00:31:07,440
Northwoods.
So yeah, I wonder who killed
564
00:31:07,600 –> 00:31:10,760
Kennedy.
A lot of people had motives, but
565
00:31:10,760 –> 00:31:13,440
these people had access and
power and money and everything
566
00:31:13,440 –> 00:31:15,440
else too.
And they had the CIA on their
567
00:31:15,440 –> 00:31:17,880
side, yeah.
And this community guy is bad
568
00:31:17,880 –> 00:31:20,320
for deep state business.
He’s just in general, everything
569
00:31:20,320 –> 00:31:23,280
he does is like kind of spits in
the face of this shit.
570
00:31:23,280 –> 00:31:25,760
Yeah, and I’m sure this is
unrelated, but at one point
571
00:31:25,760 –> 00:31:28,280
someone described Lemnitzer as,
quote, one of the most
572
00:31:28,280 –> 00:31:31,480
politically minded of America’s
highest ranking military
573
00:31:31,480 –> 00:31:35,600
officers who plotted to take the
life of at least one foreign
574
00:31:35,600 –> 00:31:37,040
head of state.
End Quote.
575
00:31:37,120 –> 00:31:39,120
But yeah, again, I wonder who
killed Kennedy.
576
00:31:39,440 –> 00:31:41,200
Why not the domestic head of
state?
577
00:31:41,360 –> 00:31:45,080
Yeah, and it was.
The entire Joint Chiefs were on
578
00:31:45,080 –> 00:31:48,200
board with Operation Northwoods,
not just Lemnitzer.
579
00:31:48,280 –> 00:31:51,600
Even after he was relieved of
his duty, they carried on
580
00:31:51,600 –> 00:31:56,240
planning Operation Northwoods,
including an idea around that
581
00:31:56,240 –> 00:31:59,360
time to just bomb the Dominican
Republic and make it look like
582
00:31:59,360 –> 00:32:00,840
Cuba did it.
Easy peasy.
583
00:32:00,920 –> 00:32:03,280
Doesn’t sound that hard.
Just use some really shitty
584
00:32:03,280 –> 00:32:07,520
leftover missiles, the kind that
we sold to some third world
585
00:32:07,520 –> 00:32:10,280
dictatorship 50 years ago, and
say, hey, look at that.
586
00:32:10,760 –> 00:32:12,920
Just paint a Cuban flag on the
side of them.
587
00:32:12,960 –> 00:32:15,760
Yeah, Cuba did it.
Nice pulled pork sandwich, you
588
00:32:15,760 –> 00:32:17,680
know.
There were also plans to
589
00:32:17,680 –> 00:32:21,160
terrorize Cuban exiles at their
homes in Washington and Miami.
590
00:32:21,280 –> 00:32:24,760
Another plan called for an
attack of Trinidad and Tobay go
591
00:32:24,880 –> 00:32:27,800
as a means of drawing the
British into a war with Cuba.
592
00:32:27,840 –> 00:32:31,440
The Joint Chiefs also consider
the possibility of bribing a
593
00:32:31,440 –> 00:32:35,880
member of Castro’s government to
attack the US, which that’s just
594
00:32:35,880 –> 00:32:37,720
treason.
So this really confirms that,
595
00:32:37,720 –> 00:32:40,240
like the way that the Starbucks
corporation sits around all day
596
00:32:40,240 –> 00:32:42,800
and tries to come up with new
coffee flavors, America just
597
00:32:42,800 –> 00:32:45,000
sits around and tries to come up
with new wars.
598
00:32:45,440 –> 00:32:47,960
Where can we drum up a war?
We’ve got this war machine.
599
00:32:47,960 –> 00:32:49,360
We’ve got nothing to point it
at.
600
00:32:49,560 –> 00:32:53,000
America is never more unhappy
with itself when it’s at peace.
601
00:32:53,680 –> 00:32:56,480
What’s a disgusting state of
being to A to an American?
602
00:32:56,560 –> 00:33:01,400
And it’s crazy how long that has
been a thing in this country.
603
00:33:01,440 –> 00:33:05,440
I did a solo episode about the
Office of Naval Intelligence,
604
00:33:05,440 –> 00:33:09,120
which is the oldest intelligence
agency in the United States.
605
00:33:09,200 –> 00:33:13,320
That was their whole fucking
thing when they started, was the
606
00:33:13,320 –> 00:33:15,600
president.
Past the 20th century, even, I
607
00:33:15,600 –> 00:33:16,560
bet.
Yeah, the.
608
00:33:16,840 –> 00:33:21,040
President was like, listen, I
think we don’t really need to be
609
00:33:21,120 –> 00:33:23,520
doing all this war shit in other
countries.
610
00:33:23,600 –> 00:33:25,960
And the Office of Naval
Intelligence was like, Nah, we
611
00:33:25,960 –> 00:33:28,920
need more ships and we need to
be going to war all the fucking
612
00:33:28,920 –> 00:33:30,680
time.
And that was their whole thing
613
00:33:30,680 –> 00:33:34,440
was like trying to provoke
reasons why the president would
614
00:33:34,440 –> 00:33:37,040
agree with them.
So this is kind of been the
615
00:33:37,040 –> 00:33:41,120
struggle between the presidency
and the intelligence community
616
00:33:41,120 –> 00:33:43,160
and the military community
forever.
617
00:33:43,320 –> 00:33:45,560
Because you’re right, it’s war
machine shit.
618
00:33:45,800 –> 00:33:48,680
That’s how a lot of people make
their money in this country.
619
00:33:48,680 –> 00:33:50,880
There’s no money in peace.
There’s money in building
620
00:33:50,880 –> 00:33:53,320
fucking bombs and dropping them
on people.
621
00:33:53,320 –> 00:33:57,680
Raytheon can’t sell, you know,
like fucking if they don’t make
622
00:33:57,680 –> 00:34:00,200
peanut butter and potato salad
and.
623
00:34:00,680 –> 00:34:02,840
Yeah.
They don’t make peacetime goods.
624
00:34:03,440 –> 00:34:05,480
There was.
Not that you don’t need a little
625
00:34:05,480 –> 00:34:07,560
potato salad and peanut butter
in a war, that was a bad
626
00:34:07,560 –> 00:34:10,080
example, but.
Not a fan of potato salad?
627
00:34:10,159 –> 00:34:11,080
Yeah, me neither.
Yeah.
628
00:34:11,480 –> 00:34:13,280
Bad times.
Too much mayonnaise.
629
00:34:13,320 –> 00:34:16,840
Yeah, they also wanted to place
plastic explosives on refugee
630
00:34:16,840 –> 00:34:20,360
boats and blame Cuba for that.
No, no.
631
00:34:20,360 –> 00:34:22,560
Cool.
Yeah, they were just talking
632
00:34:22,560 –> 00:34:24,280
about straight up killing
people.
633
00:34:24,360 –> 00:34:26,280
Well, it’s hilarious to me
always that how much of this
634
00:34:26,280 –> 00:34:28,760
stuff, when you really boil it
down to like, what happened and
635
00:34:28,760 –> 00:34:31,760
what people were thinking about
doing, it is just like Wiley
636
00:34:31,760 –> 00:34:34,600
Coyote with completely no
morality.
637
00:34:34,880 –> 00:34:38,239
It is.
It’s 100% that and the quiet
638
00:34:38,239 –> 00:34:41,920
part here that no one really
ever says out loud is all of
639
00:34:41,920 –> 00:34:46,080
this is just all the proof you
need to know Cuba was not a
640
00:34:46,080 –> 00:34:48,560
threat to us.
That’s why they needed to
641
00:34:48,560 –> 00:34:52,360
provoke Cuba or frame them for
some sort of act of aggression,
642
00:34:52,480 –> 00:34:56,159
because it was never going to
happen on its own.
643
00:34:56,199 –> 00:34:59,880
And I never really thought about
this, but it’s mentioned in this
644
00:34:59,880 –> 00:35:01,520
book.
One of the big reasons why it
645
00:35:01,520 –> 00:35:04,840
was never going to happen is,
again, we had a military base
646
00:35:04,840 –> 00:35:06,760
there.
If Cuba did some shit, we
647
00:35:06,760 –> 00:35:09,120
wouldn’t even have to send
troops from the United States.
648
00:35:09,120 –> 00:35:12,640
We just had people right there
that we could mobilize and send
649
00:35:12,640 –> 00:35:15,760
into the country.
So Cuba knew not to fucking act
650
00:35:15,760 –> 00:35:18,280
up.
That’s why we tried to provoke
651
00:35:18,280 –> 00:35:20,480
it and tried to frame them for
shit.
652
00:35:20,720 –> 00:35:23,600
There was just they did not give
us a legitimate reason.
653
00:35:23,640 –> 00:35:26,240
Yeah.
And they also at one point I
654
00:35:26,240 –> 00:35:29,520
mentioned this already wanted to
shoot down a commercial plane
655
00:35:29,880 –> 00:35:33,560
and frame Cuba for that because
then there would at least be
656
00:35:33,560 –> 00:35:36,680
like witnesses who would have
seen the plane taken off and
657
00:35:36,680 –> 00:35:39,480
getting shot, you know, like the
RFK assassination.
658
00:35:39,720 –> 00:35:41,960
All these witnesses, no one’s
going to have any questions.
659
00:35:42,360 –> 00:35:44,920
Yeah, to put all speculation to
bed permanently forever.
660
00:35:45,000 –> 00:35:47,640
Yeah, How they were going to
explain that there were no
661
00:35:47,640 –> 00:35:51,240
bodies or anything, I don’t
know, but I’m sure they had a
662
00:35:51,240 –> 00:35:53,680
plan.
CI as got a bucket of old burned
663
00:35:53,680 –> 00:35:57,640
bones that they could just.
Just Chuck out, throw some
664
00:35:57,640 –> 00:36:01,080
dissidents in there.
They also called in Madison Ave.
665
00:36:01,080 –> 00:36:05,160
advertising agencies to write up
the propaganda materials they
666
00:36:05,160 –> 00:36:07,280
plan to drop and broadcast
within Cuba.
667
00:36:07,360 –> 00:36:11,360
Again, all of this without JFK’s
knowledge for the most part.
668
00:36:11,400 –> 00:36:16,280
And 10 between him and the Joint
Chiefs hit a boiling point in
669
00:36:16,280 –> 00:36:20,920
1963 when Kennedy announced the
US test ban treaty.
670
00:36:21,000 –> 00:36:24,480
The Joint Chiefs were like, no,
we should have more nuclear
671
00:36:24,480 –> 00:36:26,720
weapons.
Actually, this is a terrible
672
00:36:26,840 –> 00:36:29,800
idea.
So they kept planning for some
673
00:36:29,800 –> 00:36:32,880
sort of engineered provocation
of Cuba.
674
00:36:32,960 –> 00:36:34,840
And I feel like that’s an
important detail because
675
00:36:34,840 –> 00:36:37,640
whenever I’ve heard Operation
Northwoods brought up, it’s
676
00:36:37,640 –> 00:36:40,400
dismissed right away because
Kennedy rejected it.
677
00:36:40,400 –> 00:36:43,200
But that’s like just the
beginning of the story.
678
00:36:43,240 –> 00:36:47,280
He rejected it and then the
Joint Chiefs really swung into
679
00:36:47,280 –> 00:36:49,920
high gear, planning it behind
his back.
680
00:36:50,240 –> 00:36:51,800
They never stopped cooking,
Yeah.
681
00:36:51,840 –> 00:36:55,920
So it’s not as simple as, oh,
they pitched it, Kennedy shot it
682
00:36:55,920 –> 00:36:59,480
down, end of story.
There was a lot more to it after
683
00:36:59,480 –> 00:37:01,560
that.
And at least one part of the
684
00:37:01,560 –> 00:37:05,440
plan was actually implemented,
but it was a pretty minor one
685
00:37:05,440 –> 00:37:09,680
where they just dropped a bunch
of weapons that look like they
686
00:37:09,680 –> 00:37:13,360
came from Cuba on beaches in a
bunch of different Organization
687
00:37:13,360 –> 00:37:15,240
of American states.
Is that what OAS is?
688
00:37:15,320 –> 00:37:17,960
I think so.
And if someone found them, they
689
00:37:17,960 –> 00:37:20,600
were just going to be like, oh,
hey, we found a stockpile of
690
00:37:20,600 –> 00:37:23,200
weapons that Cuba is putting in
other countries.
691
00:37:23,200 –> 00:37:27,360
So we dropped a stockpile of
weapons on a beach in Venezuela.
692
00:37:27,640 –> 00:37:31,120
Someone found them, and they
took one of these weapons to
693
00:37:31,120 –> 00:37:33,040
Kennedy.
And we’re like, see Cubas
694
00:37:33,040 –> 00:37:35,720
planning some shit and
apparently Kennedy just said
695
00:37:35,760 –> 00:37:39,720
good job and went right back to
not giving a shit about Cuba.
696
00:37:39,880 –> 00:37:43,480
I got to go get my Dick sucked.
He probably did.
697
00:37:43,960 –> 00:37:46,080
Yeah, don’t do that.
Fucking Kennedy.
698
00:37:46,120 –> 00:37:50,320
So again, we cannot overstate
how much the Pentagon hated
699
00:37:50,560 –> 00:37:52,880
Kennedy.
One Joint Chief compared Kennedy
700
00:37:52,880 –> 00:37:57,960
rejecting DoD Cuba plans to the
appeasement of Hitler at Munich.
701
00:37:58,040 –> 00:38:01,440
God damn, that seems like
hyperbole to me, but who knows.
702
00:38:01,520 –> 00:38:06,240
Meanwhile, when the Church
Committee rolled around in 1975,
703
00:38:06,320 –> 00:38:09,320
they said this about the threat
Castro posed.
704
00:38:09,480 –> 00:38:12,960
Well, the only time Castro has
been a threat to the security of
705
00:38:12,960 –> 00:38:16,560
the United States was the one
time when all the assassination
706
00:38:16,560 –> 00:38:20,400
activity, plans and plots
against his life were stood
707
00:38:20,400 –> 00:38:21,760
down.
End Quote.
708
00:38:21,840 –> 00:38:25,920
And all of This is why some
people think the people behind
709
00:38:25,920 –> 00:38:29,400
Operation Northwoods were also
behind the Kennedy
710
00:38:29,440 –> 00:38:31,480
assassination.
They were literally at the point
711
00:38:31,480 –> 00:38:33,200
where they were giving him the
silent treatment.
712
00:38:33,400 –> 00:38:35,320
Yeah, they were giving him the
silent treatment.
713
00:38:35,320 –> 00:38:40,000
They had a very obvious agenda
in mind that he was not on board
714
00:38:40,000 –> 00:38:41,480
with.
Something was going to have to
715
00:38:41,480 –> 00:38:45,120
give at some point.
And I by the theory that they
716
00:38:45,120 –> 00:38:48,520
were the ones behind it.
And again, it’s those meetings
717
00:38:48,520 –> 00:38:51,520
that kick off the Kennedy
assassination files.
718
00:38:51,520 –> 00:38:56,840
They start at the end of 61 and
carry on into 1964.
719
00:38:56,920 –> 00:39:00,400
That’s like the first, like
hundreds of pages of these files
720
00:39:00,400 –> 00:39:04,360
are just notes about the
meetings between Kennedy and the
721
00:39:04,360 –> 00:39:07,120
military on what to do about
Cuba.
722
00:39:07,200 –> 00:39:11,080
So they’re there for a reason.
Yeah, that’s pretty interesting.
723
00:39:11,120 –> 00:39:13,880
All things in their appropriate
context.
724
00:39:14,080 –> 00:39:18,680
And one of the Project
Northwoods books points out a
725
00:39:18,680 –> 00:39:21,120
weird thing that happened after
JFK was killed.
726
00:39:21,200 –> 00:39:26,400
The CIA paid their assets within
the Cuban student directorate to
727
00:39:26,400 –> 00:39:30,040
publish a statement saying Lee
Harvey Oswald’s quote, pro
728
00:39:30,040 –> 00:39:33,880
Castro action, End Quote, was
unsuccessful.
729
00:39:33,920 –> 00:39:38,120
Why did the CIA do that?
Why they?
730
00:39:38,120 –> 00:39:39,920
Planned on it being
unsuccessful.
731
00:39:40,320 –> 00:39:43,560
Yes.
And that’s why I think they were
732
00:39:43,560 –> 00:39:47,640
trying to just scare Kennedy.
I think they wanted to be able
733
00:39:47,640 –> 00:39:50,760
to go to him and be like, look,
fucking Cuba just tried to
734
00:39:50,760 –> 00:39:53,640
assassinate you.
Now, can we invade Dad?
735
00:39:54,200 –> 00:39:56,400
Yeah.
And instead, a Secret Service
736
00:39:56,400 –> 00:39:58,800
agent actually shoots him in the
head.
737
00:39:58,880 –> 00:40:01,160
And they’re like, oh, shit, that
worked, too.
738
00:40:01,400 –> 00:40:04,480
Maybe we’ll try more of that as
the 60s carry on.
739
00:40:04,560 –> 00:40:07,240
And they sure did.
And it’s also worth noting,
740
00:40:07,240 –> 00:40:10,240
while Kennedy was in office, the
CIA and the Joint Chiefs.
741
00:40:10,360 –> 00:40:13,680
Oversaw the assassination or
attempted assassination of not
742
00:40:13,680 –> 00:40:17,280
only Castro, but also Dominican
President Rafael Trujillo,
743
00:40:17,360 –> 00:40:22,960
Patrice Lumumba of the Congo and
no Din Diem in South Vietnam,
744
00:40:23,160 –> 00:40:26,680
But definitely not Kennedy.
They definitely did not plot the
745
00:40:26,680 –> 00:40:28,960
assassination of Kennedy.
We wouldn’t do.
746
00:40:28,960 –> 00:40:32,280
That no and yeah, that’s our
episode.
747
00:40:32,400 –> 00:40:36,040
I wanted to cover this because I
think we will dig into the JFK
748
00:40:36,040 –> 00:40:38,520
files.
They just released the MLK files
749
00:40:38,520 –> 00:40:40,440
too.
Damn, we got all the we got the
750
00:40:40,640 –> 00:40:44,680
KKK files.
Yeah, Vanity Kennedy King.
751
00:40:45,000 –> 00:40:48,760
Get ready for 1500 more episodes
of Conspiracy Show everybody.
752
00:40:49,040 –> 00:40:50,480
I’m here for it, man.
Hell yeah.
753
00:40:50,480 –> 00:40:53,160
This is interesting stuff.
But especially when, well, I
754
00:40:53,160 –> 00:40:55,320
don’t know, maybe it’s maybe
there’s more to be discovered in
755
00:40:55,320 –> 00:40:57,320
the files.
But when you lead with the
756
00:40:57,320 –> 00:41:01,040
year’s worth of minutes from the
joint chief of staff’s meeting,
757
00:41:01,080 –> 00:41:03,000
you are kind of saying the quiet
part loud.
758
00:41:03,000 –> 00:41:05,600
And as far as the classifying
documents goes, you know like.
759
00:41:05,920 –> 00:41:08,160
There’s that.
Might be the most damning thing
760
00:41:08,160 –> 00:41:11,240
that we have.
Yeah, that to me speaks to
761
00:41:11,320 –> 00:41:14,680
something happening in those
meetings that is related to
762
00:41:14,680 –> 00:41:17,320
Kennedy being killed.
And what the fuck else could it
763
00:41:17,320 –> 00:41:21,520
be other than the military
wanted to invade Cuba, Kennedy
764
00:41:21,520 –> 00:41:25,040
didn’t want to, and they got rid
of him so they could still not
765
00:41:25,040 –> 00:41:27,680
invade Cuba.
Weird wonder who knows?
766
00:41:27,800 –> 00:41:31,360
So that’s our episode.
We’ll probably we’ll do a JFK
767
00:41:31,360 –> 00:41:34,480
episode next.
We’ll see until then, do we have
768
00:41:34,480 –> 00:41:37,280
anything to plug before we get
out of here?
769
00:41:37,360 –> 00:41:41,480
I would tell you that we have a
couple of new podcasts in your
770
00:41:41,480 –> 00:41:44,680
area, which is a podcast about
local news from around the
771
00:41:44,680 –> 00:41:46,960
country that is not getting the
attention it deserves.
772
00:41:47,040 –> 00:41:50,200
And we’re bringing back What in
the world, a podcast about
773
00:41:50,200 –> 00:41:53,800
international news and events.
Those are both available on the
774
00:41:53,800 –> 00:41:55,360
you don’t even like this show
feed.
775
00:41:55,480 –> 00:41:57,160
Go listen to him.
Connor, what do you want to?
776
00:41:57,640 –> 00:42:00,720
Oh, last time I was on I said we
should get my comedy special to
777
00:42:00,720 –> 00:42:03,760
1000 likes and it happened quit
immediately.
778
00:42:04,240 –> 00:42:09,240
So now I think 10,000 likes
would be appropriate for I
779
00:42:09,280 –> 00:42:11,200
think, you know, Conor Mcspadden
live in Tucson.
780
00:42:11,200 –> 00:42:14,280
So go over and give it a like
over on youtube.com.
781
00:42:14,280 –> 00:42:15,440
Thanks a lot.
Yeah.
782
00:42:15,600 –> 00:42:19,200
And then set up several more
accounts and give it likes from
783
00:42:19,200 –> 00:42:22,200
those accounts and.
Subscribe to all the You Don’t
784
00:42:22,200 –> 00:42:24,600
Even Like This Show channel.
Yeah, do that too.
785
00:42:24,680 –> 00:42:26,840
And I think that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here,
786
00:42:26,840 –> 00:42:28,040
Connor.
Say goodbye.
787
00:42:28,120 –> 00:42:30,600
Goodbye JFK.
Goodbye everybody, we love you.