Originally recorded and released in April 2025 as a subscriber only bonus episode, available publicly for the first time! Adam and Connor review the notorious Charles Manson album Lie: The Love and Terror Cult
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Hey everybody, welcome to
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Conspiracy the Show.
I’m your host Adam Todd Brown
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joining me as Co host this week.
Conor Mcspadden’s here.
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It’s always great to be on
Conspiracy, the show on Manson
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week.
It’s kind of the shark week of
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conspiracies.
Yeah, I just watched the Netflix
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documentary, which is called.
Is that also called Chaos?
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It’s based on a book called
Chaos about the Manson family
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and their ties to MK Ultra.
But it’s also an Errol Morris
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documentary, which makes it
prestige television, I tell you.
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Yeah, it’s called.
It’s called chaos.
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The Manson murders.
Yeah, and fun sidebar, I don’t
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know how many television
commercials people are taking in
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these days, but this documentary
is the point in history where I
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realized that all of those
Chipotle commercials that are
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airing right now where there’s
just some guy off camera pepper
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and employees with questions
like you really don’t have
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freezers.
You make guacamole fresh every
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day.
That is fucking esteemed
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documentarian Errol Morris in
those Chipotle commercials.
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Well, he would be the guy doing
the hard hitting investigative
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journalism asking these kinds of
questions.
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Yeah, and it those commercials
are kind of like his
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documentaries, because that’s
one of his things is just like
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asking questions off camera
where you actually hear them ask
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the questions, which doesn’t
happen a lot in documentaries.
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I kind of love when they leave
in the the person asking the
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question.
Yeah.
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It’s like the room tone of
documentary, you know, like.
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So I was thinking, well, what if
we covered that documentary?
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And sure, maybe we will at some
point, maybe we’ll cover the
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whole entire book.
But a big part of that theory
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presented in that documentary
and in that book, and just a big
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part of Charles Manson’s lore in
general was his music.
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And that got me to think.
And what?
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Well, what if we were to do a
track by track review of Charles
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Manson’s first and only album?
Technically because he’s got
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another called The Family Jams,
but those are songs written by
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Charles Manson and performed by
members of the Manson Family.
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Oh, so this is, you know what
this sounds like to me?
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I was going to make a joke but
it’s like it actually literally
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lines up with the albums.
It’s like, this is Never Mind
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The Bullocks, and that is like
the great Rock’n’roll Swindle
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fake second album that they made
with like all the leftover
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scraps of Sex Pistol recordings
they had.
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Pretty much.
OK, yeah, that’s hilarious.
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Or when the Doors put out that
album of Jim Morris.
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Material.
Poetry called.
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Yes.
What is it called like other
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voices or waiting?
I think that’s the one really
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good other people in there.
Other Voices is the one with
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just the three of them without
Jim Morrison.
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I think it’s called American
Prayer.
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Weird.
I think you’re right, yeah.
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Which why?
Why?
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I read that guy the drummer.
John den Densmore’s book is
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really good if you if you like
the Doors.
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Yeah, it’s a really good book.
But he he talked a little bit
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about doing those albums and you
kind of like have to like.
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OK, John, I’m glad you.
I’m glad you guys had fun.
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Yeah, I do like the doors a lot
though.
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Overheated.
Yeah, I agree, just cause Jim
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Morrison was probably a fed.
It’s a fed that wrote good
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music.
Probably a fed and definitely a
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douche.
Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah.
Big, big asshole.
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So we’re going to talk about a
record called Lie, The Love and
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Terror Cult, which is the debut
studio album from Charles
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Manson.
He did not pick that name.
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The album cover is a parody of a
Life magazine cover that Charles
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Manson was on, and they just
took F out of Life to make it
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lie.
And then The Love and Terror
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Cult, which was also printed on
the cover of that magazine.
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The album was released by a
notorious music manager named
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Phil Kaufman.
I don’t know how familiar people
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are with the Graham Parsons
story, but he was a alt country
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ish singer-songwriter in the 60s
and 70s.
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When he died he asked that his
body be cremated at Joshua Tree
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and his family didn’t want that.
So a couple of his friends, one
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of them being Phil Kaufman, the
same manager who released the
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Charles Manson album, Stole his
body from LAX and took it to
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Joshua Tree and tried and failed
to cremate it.
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There is a whole movie about
that starring Johnny Knoxville.
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About a failed cremation, Yeah,
Johnny Knoxville gets up to a
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lot when your back is turned.
If you don’t pay, if you don’t
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pay attention to Johnny
Knoxville for 2-3 years, you
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come back and he’s made a whole
another weird movie, just got
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another screw in his leg.
Yeah, I don’t.
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I feel like I’ve maybe seen this
movie because it is an
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interesting story that two
people like, how did they even
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steal a body from LAX?
That’s crazy in and of itself.
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But same guy, this Phil Kaufman,
he met Manson when the two were
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both serving time at Terminal
Island Prison, which is
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literally minutes from where I’m
at right now.
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It’s in between San Pedro and
Long Beach, and I did not know
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Charles Manson served time
there.
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Cool.
Can we go visit his cell in the
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light, like a light a candle?
Yeah, I was.
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I do wonder, can I go like tour?
Can I go check out Terminal
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Island?
It’s very close.
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Like very.
I could walk.
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Will they have a face painter
that’ll do a little swastika on
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my forehead?
Probably they actually carve it
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in though.
It’s kind of brutal.
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Well, you know, that’s why.
That’s why it costs 15 packets
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of ramen, Adam.
That’s currency in prison.
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So Kaufman lived with the Manson
family for a while after he got
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out of prison and has bragged
that he’s, quote, had sex with
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more murderers than anyone else
in show business.
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And quote.
I bet that’s not true.
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Yeah, I mean, there’s whole like
aspects of show business
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predicated on bragging about how
much of A criminal you are, and
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those people are all probably
fucking each other as much as
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any other social group.
Yeah, yeah, that was my thinking
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too.
There’s there’s a whole genre
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that’s just about, not just
about violence, but a lot of
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violence involved.
And I bet they’re putting up
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better numbers than Phil
Kaufman.
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So what I love about hip hop is
there’s a lot of songs about
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deep spiritual wisdom and a lot
of songs about meaningless
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violence and lust.
Yes, and get rich or die trying.
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The duality of man, Sir.
So eventually he left the Manson
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family before all the murders
jumped off, but like just
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before, not not a comfortable
distance.
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Well, you know, good timing
though.
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Yeah, better than leaving right
after.
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Then it’s too late.
Yeah.
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I mean, you got to respect
people that know when to jump
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ship from a brand.
Yeah.
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He tried releasing this album
after the fact when Manson was
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at the height of his notoriety.
March 6th, 1970, so less than a
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year after the murders.
Not a commercial success on
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account of how most record
stores Connor refused to stock
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it.
Can you believe that?
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Fucked up.
Oh man, we got now that we’re on
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to this because when I texted
you about this, we went just.
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Because when you listen to the
album, it objectively is trying
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to turn you into a murder drone.
Yeah, big deal.
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Just because there’s there’s
very transparent secret messages
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being drone hummed into the
stereo mix of the record.
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Well, it sounds like that’s a
parenting problem and not so
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much a record store problem.
You got to keep your kids away
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from the secret messages.
Yeah, when I texted you about
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doing this episode, we texted
back and forth a few other
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examples we could cover.
I just thought about another
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one.
Doctor Kevorkian has a pretty
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great jazz album out there.
What, you didn’t know that?
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No.
Yeah, I.
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Don’t know doctor what what’s he
play?
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He was a talented guy.
What was his instrument?
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I don’t know, I, I’m, I think
like the fucking French horn or
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something, something.
Is French horn OK?
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Yeah, I don’t know.
I don’t know.
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But yeah, he’s got a pretty
mellow jazz album out there and
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a whole collection of wonderful
art.
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Terrifying.
It’s called a.
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It’s called a very still life.
Oh, it’s the flute.
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Oh, the flute.
Even better, he’s a flautist.
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That’s a good word, Flautist.
Yeah, I only know that word
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’cause I worked with a girl who
played the flute once.
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Oh yeah, they’ll they’ll tell
you.
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Yeah, yeah, she she.
Hottest will let you know.
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Yeah, she wasn’t afraid to call
herself a flautist, that’s for
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sure.
You know, the most, the heaviest
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instrument to play in a marching
band.
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You might think it’s like a tuba
or a saxophone or something big
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and heavy.
It’s actually the flute because
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you got to hold that shit up all
high and shit.
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You know, it gets it’s tiring.
Yeah, that’s an awkward position
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to have to hold it in.
So it’s actually not gay mom.
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So this album that we are about
to listen to in its entirety,
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it’s only 30 minutes long, Don’t
Worry was recorded mostly at
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Gold Star Studios in Hollywood
on August 8th, 1968.
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I wonder if they got that
hanging in the lobby like all
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the pictures of the greats
who’ve recorded there.
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Then Manson’s crazy ass just
strumming a guitar in the
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studio.
I hope that studio was founded
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by a gay guy who’d only ever had
sex with men.
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I love this line from the
Wikipedia page about the album
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quote.
Retrospective reviews of the
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album have been largely
positive, though critics have
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noted the difficulty of
separating Manson’s music from
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his subsequent crimes.
Oh yeah.
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Is this, is this one of those
hard ones where it’s where it’s
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hard to separate the artist from
the art?
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I don’t know.
So much time has passed, you
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know.
I was about to say, this is one
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of the easiest points.
Not everyone he killed was
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pregnant.
Yeah, and it’s just, it’s like
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you said, it’s, you know, what
can you ask of someone besides
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ironic detachment?
At a certain point?
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It’s like my cousin Spencer
doesn’t remember 911.
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He understands that we were all
very in a tizzy about it.
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Yeah, like.
Yeah, there’s been, I mean, Once
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Upon a Time in Hollywood has
happened.
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We’ve already made like, fantasy
movies out of the Manson family.
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Yeah, yeah, no shit.
Which oh man what a great
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ending.
God damn it, I love that movie.
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Yeah, maybe.
I think, I think it’s, I think
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maybe if I I saw it twice in
theaters, I think if I maybe saw
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it a third time, I might, I
might like it the third time.
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Oh, you didn’t like it?
I didn’t hate it.
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I was a fan.
I really I mostly just like the
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ending.
I liked it more the second time
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when I wasn’t kind of like
expecting more shit to happen.
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The scene where Brad Pitt throws
Bruce Lee into the car is one of
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my favorite scenes in any movie.
Have you ever seen him explain
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like how that how he reckons
that actually would go down like
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that?
Like, he’d actually get those
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points on Bruce Lee Quinn, but
he’s like, he breaks down the
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fight and some in a YouTube clip
is pretty interesting.
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Yeah, but I.
Would watch that.
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It’s a trick I don’t remember
exactly but.
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So should we listen to this
album?
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I think we should.
It’s actually, it’s actually
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pretty fucking good.
Yeah, that’s the thing.
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We did that Unabomber manifesto
episode and talked about how for
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years we heard people say, oh,
it’s better than you think and
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it’s bad.
It’s not good at all.
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I’ve heard that about the Manson
album, and people are fucking
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right.
The Manson album is pretty
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fucking good.
Yep.
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Here we go.
Can you hear that?
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Yep.
OK, this first song is called
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Look at Your Game Girl, and this
sounds like something like
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fucking Wayne Newton could have
recorded in the 60s or
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something.
Yeah.
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Once you get to that chorus.
Yeah, I’m I’m already ready to
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suck this guy’s Dick and do
whatever he says.
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This blew me away.
Yeah, when when this was track
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one side 1, I was like, OK, OK.
And it’s got this.
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It’s got this thing where it
never really like clicks into a
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conventional song groove, but it
it like flirts with one and it
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gives it this really like kind
of off filter exciting quality.
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Like you’re falling in love and
you’re like, holy shit, Charles
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Manson, you’re taking me on a
fucking ride.
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Yeah, he is significantly more
talented than I expected.
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I thought this album would be
good in like a weird macabre
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sort of way, but it’s.
Just as a curio, Yeah.
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It’s just a regular good.
Like if Beck did this, we’d be
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like, hey, yeah, nice man.
Yeah, I.
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Wish there was a better quality
version of this because this was
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apparently recorded in a studio,
but it still sort of sounds like
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shit.
Yeah, it sounds a little, it
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sounds a little garbled, like
maybe the cord is like something
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like it sounded better a second
ago, like.
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Well, yeah, part of the issue is
this was never released anyway,
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except for on vinyl.
So what we’re.
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Listening to.
Yeah, So what we’re listening to
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is someone having ripped it from
vinyl.
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You can even hear the popping in
the background.
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Interesting.
These songs are all very short.
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That’s the other thing he knows
he his his work.
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It doesn’t overstate.
It’s welcome.
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And now, whereas the first song
on the album, I would argue is
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not what you’re expecting when
you dive into a Charles Manson
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album, the front, I would say
track #2 ego is what you’re
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expecting when he dies.
Charles Manson, exactly what
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you’re expecting They.
Put it in the back.
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And then the bottom is the
front.
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Then the front end would never
went down for a pack of smokes
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and never came back.
But the back was back down,
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left, left, right to the front,
back, back.
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This.
I mean you have it in the notes,
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but I agree, I wouldn’t be
surprised if this was like a
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Beatles outtake.
Like this sounds like when they
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were fucking around with the
sitar.
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Yeah, yeah.
Like it was like, like, it’s
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like if they were doing like
tomorrow never knows.
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But they didn’t try that hard.
Yeah.
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And the lyrics are not that bad
either.
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Like he’ll make you lie, make
you cheat just so you won’t be
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beat.
He’ll make you get on out of
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sight.
You’re you’re you get afraid you
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can act like a clown.
You get mad when somebody puts
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you down.
And it’s like, that’s that’s the
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ego, you know?
I mean, no lies detected,
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Charlie.
This also sounds a lot like Bob
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Dylan of this era, like
especially the Bringing it All
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Back Home album.
Like I could, I could hear this
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being on that.
Very, very shaped of Bob Dylan.
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Yeah, and that’s the thing.
It’s not like a lot of people
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that were mimicking Dylan back
in the day.
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That’s all they sounded like,
like that’s all their songs
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were.
And that’s not the case with
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Charles Manson.
So it’s going to get very
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different next song, in fact.
Yeah, he’s got a pretty good
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range.
He’s he, he doesn’t.
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Some people, like, only know how
to write one kind of song.
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Yeah.
And yeah, one of the things they
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speculate in the documentary is
that him not getting a music
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career is the reason all these
murders happened.
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I don’t know if I believe that
because it was this.
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He recorded this a year prior to
the murders.
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Like how fast did he think it
was going to happen?
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Well, and also they called it
lie, the love and terror cult.
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Did he?
Did he think it was going to #1
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like.
I am a mechanical man.
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It seems like they were sort of
trying to be punk rock about it
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a little bit in the first place.
Yeah, and I do the best I can
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because I have my family.
This is a very strange song.
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Yeah, your connection here I
thought is is really strong.
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I thought this one sort of
reminded me of like early Devo
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when they were more of a
confrontational art project to
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piss off Bros than a band.
Yeah, a little bit.
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And that it’s this.
It’s like another one of these,
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sort of like college drum circle
kind of songs.
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Yeah, it feels a little bit like
the weird collage type stuff
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John Lennon did on like The
White Album Revolution 9.
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Yeah.
It’s an interesting song.
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If I’m not mistaken, I think
Marilyn Manson sampled this song
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on one of his albums, which that
sounds like some Marilyn Manson
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shit I had.
A little.
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Well, I mean, and you know, it’s
a speculation about Charles
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Manson and MP Ultra like you
said, like he would be a
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mechanical man.
Yeah, have you seen the
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documentary on Netflix?
Chaos no.
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You should check it out his.
The amount of time he spent
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around confirmed MK Ultra
doctors and MK Ultra clinics is
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alarming and I’m always
suspicious when this is a detail
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about anyone.
He, in the years leading up to
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those murders, was breaking the
law and getting caught all the
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time and never going to jail for
it.
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Yeah, he was.
He was Slippery Charlie.
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He got away every time.
And that always when I hear
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that, I’m like, OK, he’s an
informant or something along.
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Those Well, yeah, it’s like when
the guy like when Big Pussy gets
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right out of jail after he’s
trying to, you know, escape from
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the cops on The Sopranos, It’s
like what’s because he’s
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flipped, He’s he’s fucking
working for the feds.
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Like, yeah, this is Charles
Manson.
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Works just like The Sopranos.
That’s what I’m saying.
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This is a compelling song, but
it’s not my favorite.
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It’s it’s a little wild for my
my taste.
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You’re going the wrong way.
Yeah.
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It’s one of these.
There’s a lot of moments on the
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album that are kind of like,
strange and experimental and
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you’re kind of like, this isn’t
like, bad, but I wouldn’t
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necessarily, like, throw it on
in the car.
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But it’s certainly earned, You
know, You’re like, OK, I see
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you’re mechanical, mechanical
man, blah, blah, blah.
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You got this ego.
It’s not like a a shallow album
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in any way.
There’s not.
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He doesn’t have like, like a
song called Oranges and
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Sunshine.
Yeah, and even the one song that
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is kind of like childlike and a
little playful is actually sort
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of a deep commentary on food
waste and poverty.
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Class.
I’m talking about the garbage
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dump song.
I got to confess, I didn’t even
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get that the first time I
listened to it until I saw that
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you that you wrote that in the
notes.
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I thought it was just like a
goofy if the cramp song.
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I’m a garbage man, you know,
like.
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And that is the mark of a good
song sometimes.
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Yeah, it could be both.
Just a party banger that’s fun
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and whatever.
But if you listen closely,
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you’re like, damn, Andre 3000 is
getting a divorce, dude.
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Yeah.
‘Cause you don’t.
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Do like they think you?
Should do you.
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Expect this song is called
People Say I’m No good.
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This is a fucking banger.
Yeah, this is one of the better
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songs on the album.
This this song should, I think,
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be in movies.
This is like no matter when you
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listen to this song, it’s like
it’s the the sun is coming up
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after Electra Bender and then
you’re in the desert.
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You know, it’s stolen
convertible.
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Like it’s just what are these
songs?
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It’s like very cinematic.
And yeah, you could throw this
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on a playlist with like 60s
Blues stuff, Fifties, 60s Blues.
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Link ray or whatever.
And just let someone hear it and
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be like, OK, I will give you
1000 guesses as to who is
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singing this song.
Yeah, and no one’s going to land
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on fucking Charles Manson.
Guess every like outlaw country
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guy or what you know is.
That Kenny Rogers.
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That’s Kenny Rogers right when
he was weird doing the fucking
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song from WAS.
Kenny Rogers.
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Weird.
Have you heard the song at the
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end of Big Lebowski?
Yeah, but I mean, that was Kenny
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Rogers.
Weird then.
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Yeah, I just dropped in to see
what condition my condition is
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in.
I think it’s called.
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Yeah, it’s fucking Kenny Rogers.
I thought that was strawberry
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alarm clock.
It’s a weird band name.
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Let me look it up.
Kenny Rogers in the 1st edition
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is who sang that song.
Damn, that’s a pretty.
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That’s a pretty good 80s like
band name.
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Yeah.
What?
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There’s still 156 Kenny Rogers
Roasters open worldwide.
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That many.
That’s an insane number.
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And there’s none in the United
States, I don’t think because I
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looked recently.
Well, at this point their
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headquarters is in Malaysia,
that’s true.
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It’s mostly in Asia.
Kenny Rogers roasters.
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I used to eat there all the
time.
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I’ve never had the chicken.
They had such good sides and you
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could get a combo meal that was
just your choice of three sides
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and I would get that every time.
It was great.
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Damn, OK, sounds pretty good.
Home is where you’re happy.
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This is another fucking banger.
This one I could see like, you
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know, you, you play with this
one, you’re like, and you’re
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happy with me, right?
Impressionable young teenage
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girls.
Yeah, this has more acid.
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This has heavy cult vibes.
At one point he just starts
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singing Burn all your Bridges.
It’s like, oh, you’re trying to
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separate these girls from the
family, huh?
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He says leave, leave your old
life behind.
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Yeah, ’cause.
You’re strong in your mind.
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Suck my Dick in a barn.
I can imagine a crowd of
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impressionable young teens all
fucking hopped up on acid and
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this guy’s singing inspirational
tunes.
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Your direction, They’re like,
yeah, he fucking gets it.
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I’m going to.
Go bust out a couple scary deep
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ones too, you know, like yeah
damn dude, I am a mechanical man
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Go off.
This next song, it’s called
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Arkansas.
This might be Charlie Manson’s
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opus here.
This is a great one.
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Yeah, it’s a.
Weird song, it starts with some
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girls talking.
I’m sure they are some of the
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girls.
I’m sure they never got into
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anything nefarious.
I don’t know what you’re talking
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about.
Struggle.
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I mean, we start, but it’s so I
said, I said it sort of reminds
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me of like they’re talking in
between the tracks on Surfer
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Rosa, the Pixies album.
Fucking groundbreaker.
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This one’s got some great
lyrics, he says.
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I got to go to school and learn
to be a gosh turn fool.
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That’s, that’s just, that’s just
good times.
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Yeah, yeah, that’s that’s just
facts right there.
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Also some really interesting
guitar work on this.
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Yeah, like it’s like Delta blue
shit happening.
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Yeah, he he really rips off a
wide range of people.
432
00:25:47,120 –> 00:25:49,680
Yeah.
From do like doing like almost
433
00:25:49,680 –> 00:25:54,720
like a proto David Bowie thing
to Brian Lemon Jefferson Delta
434
00:25:54,720 –> 00:25:58,240
Blues.
Yeah, yeah, he runs the gamut,
435
00:25:58,240 –> 00:26:02,680
he told.
Him I got to go to.
436
00:26:05,480 –> 00:26:07,560
School God, there’s 14 songs on
this album.
437
00:26:07,880 –> 00:26:10,960
That’s a lot, but it’s.
None of it.
438
00:26:10,960 –> 00:26:17,200
Not 1 / 3 minutes though, yeah.
And that was kind of just a
439
00:26:17,200 –> 00:26:22,320
consistent thing back in the day
when stuff like this was coming
440
00:26:22,320 –> 00:26:25,240
out.
Like if you listen to a lot of
441
00:26:25,240 –> 00:26:29,000
those Beatles albums, most of
those songs aren’t even over 3
442
00:26:29,000 –> 00:26:31,800
minutes, but there’s so much
happening that it seems like
443
00:26:31,800 –> 00:26:36,800
they’re longer than they are.
Well, yeah, and, and they don’t
444
00:26:37,080 –> 00:26:39,760
overstay their welcome and like
their bag of tricks doesn’t get
445
00:26:39,760 –> 00:26:42,040
worn out.
That’s I think that’s why we
446
00:26:42,040 –> 00:26:43,840
like those songs, is because
they’re short.
447
00:26:44,240 –> 00:26:48,080
Yeah.
If the White Album was like, if
448
00:26:48,080 –> 00:26:52,640
the White Album was 33 1/2
minute songs, we’d be like, but
449
00:26:52,640 –> 00:26:55,480
there’s a few longer ones and
then like some that are just
450
00:26:55,480 –> 00:26:56,920
like.
You say it’s your.
451
00:26:56,920 –> 00:27:01,800
Birthday.
That is legitimately why I’ve
452
00:27:01,800 –> 00:27:04,000
never been able to get into
bands like Tool.
453
00:27:05,960 –> 00:27:09,920
I don’t have time in my day for
a 10 or 11 minute song.
454
00:27:10,840 –> 00:27:13,880
Like that’s work.
That’s that’s a lot.
455
00:27:14,640 –> 00:27:16,640
Yeah, that’s like a whole
episode of SpongeBob.
456
00:27:17,200 –> 00:27:22,680
Yeah, I could get through the
entire Skippity toilet series.
457
00:27:35,240 –> 00:27:39,400
I have no idea what this song is
about, this Arkansas song, but
458
00:27:39,400 –> 00:27:44,080
this?
Oh yeah, this is the one I want
459
00:27:44,080 –> 00:27:48,280
Kanye to like go UN crazy for
just like a month so he can
460
00:27:48,280 –> 00:27:51,520
sample this song.
Yeah, this is called I’ll Never
461
00:27:51,520 –> 00:27:58,320
say Never to always.
And you’re right, it absolutely
462
00:27:58,320 –> 00:28:00,200
sounds like something Kanye
would sample.
463
00:28:10,680 –> 00:28:15,040
Everyone send me and Connor
$10,000 just in case that song
464
00:28:15,040 –> 00:28:16,960
has some kind of magical
properties that.
465
00:28:19,240 –> 00:28:22,560
Yeah, here we go.
Garbage dump.
466
00:28:23,280 –> 00:28:26,160
I thought it was like he was
like a socialist garbage, like a
467
00:28:26,160 –> 00:28:29,320
socialist Daniel Johnston.
And this was just like a weird
468
00:28:29,320 –> 00:28:34,520
abstract thing like, you know,
romanticizing a garbage dump.
469
00:28:36,520 –> 00:28:40,920
He’s really getting into some
like classism stuff here and.
470
00:28:41,480 –> 00:28:43,640
Who knew?
Who knew he was into upcycling?
471
00:28:44,120 –> 00:28:47,640
Yeah.
You could feed the world with my
472
00:28:48,000 –> 00:28:50,600
garbage dump.
You could feed the.
473
00:28:51,080 –> 00:28:55,880
World with my garbage dump.
It’s a fun song.
474
00:28:59,520 –> 00:29:01,960
I like the range of messages on
the album.
475
00:29:01,960 –> 00:29:05,400
He’s like we are all just like
puppets, mechanical men
476
00:29:05,400 –> 00:29:09,280
manipulated by our base desires.
We should eat more trash.
477
00:29:10,360 –> 00:29:14,160
Yeah, fuck Arkansas.
Stop throwing your pizza across
478
00:29:14,160 –> 00:29:21,360
the way.
He’s talking about getting stuff
479
00:29:21,360 –> 00:29:23,120
from the dump for free.
Yeah.
480
00:29:23,280 –> 00:29:25,800
This is like, this is like the
Charles Manson version of the
481
00:29:25,800 –> 00:29:27,880
song Thrift Thrift Shop by
Macklemore.
482
00:29:30,160 –> 00:29:32,960
You ready for the joke?
That’s that’s what I call a cult
483
00:29:32,960 –> 00:29:37,120
classic.
Got him.
484
00:29:38,280 –> 00:29:40,840
There’s a Market Basket.
And.
485
00:29:41,960 –> 00:29:47,400
AMP the breakdown here.
I don’t even care who wins the
486
00:29:47,400 –> 00:29:51,280
war, I’ll be in cans behind my
favorite store.
487
00:29:53,160 –> 00:29:55,920
I don’t care who wins the war
I’ll be in, I’ll be in them cans
488
00:29:55,920 –> 00:30:00,400
behind my favorite store.
Heavy.
489
00:30:01,480 –> 00:30:07,360
Fucking heavy.
I can also see that like, you
490
00:30:07,360 –> 00:30:12,120
know, this this album is like a
like all these songs in some
491
00:30:12,120 –> 00:30:16,320
sense probably just serve the
larger purpose of, like, getting
492
00:30:17,800 –> 00:30:20,080
teenage girls to fuck you and
kill people for you.
493
00:30:20,640 –> 00:30:23,320
Yeah, there’s, there’s, there’s
the one where like, oh, yeah.
494
00:30:23,320 –> 00:30:25,640
Home is wherever you’re happy.
Aren’t you happy here with me,
495
00:30:25,640 –> 00:30:28,000
Charlie Manson?
And then it’s like a few songs
496
00:30:28,000 –> 00:30:29,720
later, it’s like, just eat out
of the trash, bitch.
497
00:30:29,720 –> 00:30:30,480
Come on.
What do you mean?
498
00:30:30,480 –> 00:30:32,640
So boozy for it.
Yeah, what do you need me to
499
00:30:32,640 –> 00:30:34,600
give you food for?
Let’s go find it.
500
00:30:35,200 –> 00:30:38,480
I’ll never say never and always
and I’ll always kill all your
501
00:30:38,480 –> 00:30:41,800
foes.
But then we’re coming up on a
502
00:30:41,800 –> 00:30:47,840
very ironic title with this next
song, which I would argue as
503
00:30:47,840 –> 00:30:50,800
another stand out on the album.
The song is called Don’t Do
504
00:30:50,800 –> 00:30:56,360
Anything Illegal.
Yeah, this one to me is very
505
00:30:58,000 –> 00:31:00,000
like, like try to be Jim
Morrison much?
506
00:31:00,840 –> 00:31:07,760
Yeah.
Don’t do anything illegal.
507
00:31:09,680 –> 00:31:12,560
Beware of the eagle.
Beware of the eagle.
508
00:31:13,800 –> 00:31:19,840
I love your.
Back Don’t be the eagle.
509
00:31:19,840 –> 00:31:23,600
I’m the eagle of the desert.
And don’t fear the eagle and.
510
00:31:24,120 –> 00:31:29,960
The Crying King Snake.
And when the porcupine rise in
511
00:31:29,960 –> 00:31:33,360
the sky, we will say goodbye.
Don’t do anything.
512
00:31:33,360 –> 00:31:39,200
The Eagle.
Beware of the eagle that’s got
513
00:31:39,200 –> 00:31:47,840
you by the neck.
This one also though sounds a
514
00:31:47,840 –> 00:31:52,320
lot like Dylan.
Like the but I feel.
515
00:31:52,480 –> 00:31:55,560
Like if you had ChatGPT write
the lyrics.
516
00:31:56,200 –> 00:31:58,680
What?
If you had ChatGPT, write the
517
00:31:58,680 –> 00:32:01,120
lyrics.
Yeah, yeah.
518
00:32:01,120 –> 00:32:06,160
I think just in his delivery and
kind of the tone of voice he’s
519
00:32:06,160 –> 00:32:09,720
using.
But yeah, he’s not Bob Dylan.
520
00:32:10,680 –> 00:32:12,520
Rob Dylan killed way more
people.
521
00:32:13,600 –> 00:32:17,520
I want Chuck GPT that just that
spits out Charles Manson’s best.
522
00:32:22,160 –> 00:32:26,840
ChatGPT make me AK pop song in
the style of Charles Manson.
523
00:32:30,000 –> 00:32:33,880
I would listen to that.
Remember when was it BTS that
524
00:32:34,120 –> 00:32:39,240
sampled a bunch of Jim Jones
recordings on one of their
525
00:32:39,240 –> 00:32:40,720
albums?
I think it was.
526
00:32:41,160 –> 00:32:44,080
That’s insane.
Well, I think it was Jim Jones,
527
00:32:44,080 –> 00:32:45,840
like saying some civil rights
shit.
528
00:32:47,120 –> 00:32:49,760
And so they’re just like, oh,
this white guy’s cool.
529
00:32:49,880 –> 00:32:55,040
He’s saying the right things.
I love that, that they just like
530
00:32:55,040 –> 00:32:58,280
they’re like, Oh yeah, he’s a
socialist Elvis who’s got some
531
00:32:58,280 –> 00:33:06,800
good ideas.
On this song, don’t do anything
532
00:33:06,800 –> 00:33:09,840
illegal, you can very clearly
hear one of the drone singing
533
00:33:09,840 –> 00:33:13,960
chanters like interpolate him
talking about the man who killed
534
00:33:14,360 –> 00:33:18,320
at a minute and eight seconds.
So there’s very obvious secret
535
00:33:18,320 –> 00:33:22,360
messages being put in this album
to make you evil or something.
536
00:33:25,560 –> 00:33:29,240
Yeah, it definitely feels like
these songs, some of them had a
537
00:33:29,240 –> 00:33:33,920
purpose for sure.
And I think you’re right.
538
00:33:33,920 –> 00:33:36,920
That purpose was blow me and go
kill some people.
539
00:33:37,200 –> 00:33:40,000
Please please.
That’s what I’m getting from the
540
00:33:40,000 –> 00:33:46,240
set list that song is called.
Slick City.
541
00:33:46,480 –> 00:33:50,480
Is it slick city or sick city?
It says.
542
00:33:50,480 –> 00:33:53,120
Slick from a sick.
City.
543
00:33:53,120 –> 00:33:57,440
Oh, but he just said sick.
Yeah, that’s why I was confused.
544
00:33:57,440 –> 00:34:04,000
Yeah, maybe it’s sick city.
That makes more sense as a
545
00:34:04,000 –> 00:34:06,280
Charles Manson song title.
Sick City You.
546
00:34:06,840 –> 00:34:09,400
Just.
Said he is like when I sick, the
547
00:34:09,400 –> 00:34:12,719
city is.
Watch TV and drink your beer.
548
00:34:14,639 –> 00:34:16,679
It’s another, it’s another part
where it’s like, well, you know,
549
00:34:16,679 –> 00:34:18,679
Charlie, we do.
We do be doing that.
550
00:34:20,120 –> 00:34:22,080
I’m not saying you’re the most
profound guy in the world, but
551
00:34:22,080 –> 00:34:27,920
yeah.
Yeah, also like he’s talking
552
00:34:27,920 –> 00:34:30,120
about the city, so sick.
It’s like, well, it’s like the
553
00:34:30,120 –> 00:34:32,840
Joker saying, Oh my God, there
goes the neighborhood.
554
00:34:32,840 –> 00:34:39,000
What the?
Yeah, this is another one.
555
00:34:39,920 –> 00:34:46,120
This sounds like a specific
Dylan song, which is fucking.
556
00:34:49,719 –> 00:34:52,520
I think it’s it’s all right, I’m
only dying.
557
00:34:53,040 –> 00:34:54,320
Is that the name of a Dylan
song?
558
00:35:01,440 –> 00:35:05,320
Whoa.
The 2006 ESP Disc CD bonus
559
00:35:05,320 –> 00:35:08,800
tracks have a song called Devil
Man and A and a track called
560
00:35:08,800 –> 00:35:11,360
Swamp Girl.
Oh shit.
561
00:35:12,000 –> 00:35:14,160
Sounds like I got to.
I got to listen to that.
562
00:35:14,400 –> 00:35:16,640
Yeah.
How are you leaving the outtakes
563
00:35:16,640 –> 00:35:20,360
off of this?
You know, yeah, this is a very,
564
00:35:20,520 –> 00:35:26,360
very important song in a
historical sense because this is
565
00:35:26,480 –> 00:35:33,240
the song that The Beach Boys
recorded and eventually released
566
00:35:33,480 –> 00:35:38,560
on an album called 2020.
But they added a lot more
567
00:35:38,560 –> 00:35:42,920
instrumentation.
They altered the lyrics and
568
00:35:42,920 –> 00:35:45,800
changed the title to Never Learn
Not to Love.
569
00:35:46,320 –> 00:35:48,360
They really took the teeth out
of the whole thing.
570
00:35:48,680 –> 00:35:51,960
If, if, if you didn’t, if, you
couldn’t have just expected that
571
00:35:51,960 –> 00:35:56,440
already.
They sort of strip it of a lot
572
00:35:56,440 –> 00:35:58,840
of it’s really charming.
Charles Manson this.
573
00:36:00,240 –> 00:36:04,200
Yeah, it sounds like a Beach
Boys song once they’re done with
574
00:36:04,200 –> 00:36:06,760
it.
Not not the caterwauling
575
00:36:06,760 –> 00:36:12,880
ramblings of a horny sociopath.
And they make one really
576
00:36:12,880 –> 00:36:18,840
important change that he
apparently was very upset about.
577
00:36:19,200 –> 00:36:23,200
He didn’t care that they added
all the extra instruments to the
578
00:36:23,200 –> 00:36:25,680
song.
What bothered him was that they
579
00:36:25,680 –> 00:36:28,000
changed.
There’s a line where he says
580
00:36:28,000 –> 00:36:30,960
submission is a gift, give it to
your brother.
581
00:36:31,920 –> 00:36:35,040
And The Beach Boys changed it to
submission as a gift.
582
00:36:35,040 –> 00:36:38,480
Give it to your lover.
There it goes.
583
00:36:39,200 –> 00:36:44,920
And Charles Manson hated that.
Interesting.
584
00:36:47,200 –> 00:36:49,720
I feel like if I was Charles
Manson I’d probably get pretty
585
00:36:50,160 –> 00:36:56,800
butt hurt about my lyrics.
I I think this is like not the I
586
00:36:56,800 –> 00:37:01,280
think like Look at your game
Girl is such a a more Beachy
587
00:37:01,280 –> 00:37:06,000
Boise song.
I feel like the last track Eyes
588
00:37:06,000 –> 00:37:08,120
of a Dreamer is a more beach
Boise.
589
00:37:08,120 –> 00:37:10,800
So this is just such a weird one
to steal to me.
590
00:37:11,000 –> 00:37:13,120
Yeah, this is a weird choice for
The Beach Boys.
591
00:37:13,120 –> 00:37:15,480
It’s.
Like I’m going to go steal
592
00:37:15,480 –> 00:37:17,760
Octopus’s garden so Ringo can’t
write it.
593
00:37:19,000 –> 00:37:22,080
Yeah, he’s got better songs on
this album for sure.
594
00:37:22,200 –> 00:37:26,160
He’s kind of doing his Bob Dylan
more like Bob killing.
595
00:37:27,920 –> 00:37:30,240
I don’t get it.
Yes, you do.
596
00:37:32,360 –> 00:37:35,720
Big Iron Door is what this one
is called.
597
00:37:37,040 –> 00:37:38,200
It’s another one where it’s
door.
598
00:37:40,040 –> 00:37:44,000
He’s not big on subtlety
necessarily, which I respect.
599
00:37:44,080 –> 00:37:45,800
I don’t, I don’t.
I don’t love someone who makes
600
00:37:45,800 –> 00:37:48,680
me dig through a million
metaphors to get to the meaning
601
00:37:48,680 –> 00:37:50,480
of their song.
Yeah, yeah.
602
00:37:50,920 –> 00:37:59,280
Come out with it.
Drink a black coffee with that
603
00:37:59,280 –> 00:38:00,600
noise in my head.
Bang Bang.
604
00:38:03,280 –> 00:38:06,320
I do like, I like this part of
the song, yeah, where Charlie
605
00:38:06,320 –> 00:38:11,600
just is like clang, bang, cling,
cling, clang, bloom ING, bong,
606
00:38:11,600 –> 00:38:15,720
boom, Jing pong Dong tung.
Just making metallic sounds.
607
00:38:15,880 –> 00:38:23,080
Yeah.
This is kind of a cool song.
608
00:38:23,320 –> 00:38:25,480
It’s a cool song, especially if
I feel like if I’d been
609
00:38:25,480 –> 00:38:27,560
arrested, I would.
I would totally vibe with it.
610
00:38:28,080 –> 00:38:33,840
See, I could see him having
legitimately been a songwriter
611
00:38:33,840 –> 00:38:37,160
if nothing else, because I could
picture Johnny Cash having
612
00:38:37,160 –> 00:38:40,640
recorded Big Iron Door.
That is absolutely the kind of
613
00:38:40,640 –> 00:38:43,640
shit he would record.
I I just wanted to assume this.
614
00:38:43,640 –> 00:38:46,000
I put that in the notes to show
which is out in that in that
615
00:38:46,000 –> 00:38:49,320
Folsom set.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
616
00:38:49,320 –> 00:38:50,840
That could be a fucking Johnny
Cash song.
617
00:38:51,040 –> 00:38:52,400
Yeah, I didn’t see you put that
in the notes.
618
00:38:53,640 –> 00:38:58,200
I once knew a man.
The penultimate song.
619
00:38:59,000 –> 00:39:08,800
This is very culty to me.
I just want, I want to note that
620
00:39:08,800 –> 00:39:12,160
whoever’s playing drums on this
song is actually he’s, they’re
621
00:39:12,160 –> 00:39:13,840
please playing a completely
different song.
622
00:39:13,960 –> 00:39:18,880
Yeah, he’s not even listening to
the same song while playing.
623
00:39:18,880 –> 00:39:20,760
Drums.
I thought this one was pretty
624
00:39:22,040 –> 00:39:24,600
oversteed it’s welcome.
Yeah.
625
00:39:24,600 –> 00:39:30,040
Little up its own ass.
Because we’re almost done with
626
00:39:30,040 –> 00:39:31,840
the album.
So this is the part where he’s
627
00:39:31,840 –> 00:39:34,360
like, all right, you’ll put up
with anything for me, right?
628
00:39:34,800 –> 00:39:38,160
How about this song?
We’re like, yeah, I guess.
629
00:39:39,640 –> 00:39:42,880
But he does save.
He does because if he had
630
00:39:42,880 –> 00:39:45,160
another song like this quality
after this, this is not that
631
00:39:45,160 –> 00:39:47,480
good of an album.
But he has he has one banger
632
00:39:47,480 –> 00:39:50,800
left in the chamber.
Yeah, he ends it strong.
633
00:39:50,800 –> 00:39:52,760
Bring it home.
That’s for sure.
634
00:39:58,040 –> 00:40:04,800
But yeah, this is this is sort
of like when The Beatles would
635
00:40:04,840 –> 00:40:10,120
experiment with stuff and miss
like they have a few that like I
636
00:40:10,120 –> 00:40:13,240
don’t like within Within You
Without You, which is on
637
00:40:13,520 –> 00:40:16,280
Sergeant Peppers.
It’s just too busy.
638
00:40:16,400 –> 00:40:19,520
It’s too fucking busy.
This reminds me of that a little
639
00:40:19,520 –> 00:40:23,880
bit.
Yeah, I can hear that.
640
00:40:33,480 –> 00:40:38,560
In it, you can tell it’s a bad
song because I was, I just like
641
00:40:39,120 –> 00:40:41,520
did a time check because I was
like, oh, this has to be one of
642
00:40:41,520 –> 00:40:44,800
the longer songs because it’s
really wearing me out.
643
00:40:45,080 –> 00:40:49,440
Two minutes and 34 seconds is
how long, so not.
644
00:40:49,440 –> 00:40:54,120
Long at all?
Yeah, a good Charlie, but this
645
00:40:54,120 –> 00:40:56,320
is you know what?
This is the only song so far to
646
00:40:56,320 –> 00:40:58,800
me that’s like an outright cut.
Even some of the other ones that
647
00:40:58,800 –> 00:41:01,840
have like some weird moments
like the ego song, Yeah,
648
00:41:02,000 –> 00:41:03,840
Mechanical man, I’m like, yeah,
those are fine.
649
00:41:03,840 –> 00:41:06,360
You leave those you know trying
like that’s.
650
00:41:06,560 –> 00:41:10,040
I think that one is more cult
like than others because it’s
651
00:41:10,040 –> 00:41:12,000
like, not good.
So it’s got to have a purpose.
652
00:41:12,960 –> 00:41:17,960
Oh this song, Eyes of a Dreamer.
It’s a banger.
653
00:41:30,640 –> 00:41:32,600
This is going to be
controversial but I kind of wish
654
00:41:32,600 –> 00:41:37,880
this guy just stuck the music
and didn’t like order people to
655
00:41:37,880 –> 00:41:41,600
murder pregnant actors.
Yeah, this is like if Hitler’s
656
00:41:41,600 –> 00:41:45,040
paintings were good.
Like if you’re like fuck bro,
657
00:41:45,080 –> 00:41:50,120
you really had something here?
Yeah, we’re doing AQ and a
658
00:41:50,160 –> 00:41:53,840
episode of You Don’t Even Like
This show later today.
659
00:41:53,840 –> 00:41:59,040
And I saw the answers or the
questions already and someone
660
00:41:59,040 –> 00:42:05,400
asked if there’s like a work out
there where I still enjoy it
661
00:42:05,400 –> 00:42:08,000
even if I can’t separate the
artists from the art.
662
00:42:08,760 –> 00:42:11,840
I’m just going to say this just
to be an asshole.
663
00:42:11,840 –> 00:42:15,520
This is the answer now.
Yeah, this will always be there
664
00:42:15,520 –> 00:42:17,920
because here’s the thing, he
didn’t kill anybody.
665
00:42:19,400 –> 00:42:23,040
No, he didn’t.
So, oh wait, did he the second
666
00:42:23,040 –> 00:42:25,360
time?
I don’t think so.
667
00:42:25,800 –> 00:42:27,200
I don’t think the second night
either.
668
00:42:33,960 –> 00:42:37,000
This this song reminds me of
like you have this like bleak,
669
00:42:37,200 –> 00:42:41,200
challenging album.
And then at the end there’s this
670
00:42:41,200 –> 00:42:44,000
like weird optimistic song.
It reminds me of Reason to
671
00:42:44,000 –> 00:42:47,080
Believe at the end of Bruce
Springsteen’s Nebraska.
672
00:42:47,320 –> 00:42:50,040
Oh yeah.
Which is, I would say that this
673
00:42:50,040 –> 00:42:53,000
album is kind of like the crazy
person’s version of that album.
674
00:42:53,160 –> 00:42:56,160
Yeah, yeah, this does have
Nebraska vibes for sure.
675
00:42:56,160 –> 00:42:57,720
It.
Feels crazy, Nebraska.
676
00:42:58,040 –> 00:43:00,640
Guy in his bedroom alone with a
guitar.
677
00:43:01,280 –> 00:43:06,000
You call it Arkansas, Yeah.
You know they’re making a movie
678
00:43:06,000 –> 00:43:09,200
about the Nebraska album.
No shit.
679
00:43:09,320 –> 00:43:11,320
Yeah, Jeremy.
Allen White is going to play
680
00:43:11,320 –> 00:43:16,600
Springsteen.
Yeah, because there’s an
681
00:43:16,600 –> 00:43:20,320
electric version of Nebraska
that exists and people are
682
00:43:20,320 –> 00:43:24,400
hoping he releases it when that
movie comes out.
683
00:43:24,800 –> 00:43:27,920
I’ve heard about that for your
for years electric Nebraska, but
684
00:43:27,920 –> 00:43:31,600
they never like I guess from
what I’ve read, I’ve I’ve
685
00:43:31,680 –> 00:43:33,560
they’re they’re kind of like
it’s they don’t think it’s that
686
00:43:33,560 –> 00:43:35,640
good.
Yeah, well, I mean, that’s why
687
00:43:35,640 –> 00:43:37,320
he shelved it.
But I still want to hear
688
00:43:37,320 –> 00:43:39,600
electric, electric Atlantic
City.
689
00:43:39,720 –> 00:43:43,800
Come on.
I one time was looking at Dick
690
00:43:43,800 –> 00:43:47,560
Cheney’s Wikipedia article while
Nebraska was playing.
691
00:43:47,560 –> 00:43:50,640
I had noticed there’s like a
series of insane coincidences.
692
00:43:51,760 –> 00:43:53,960
It’s like through the Badlands
of Wyoming.
693
00:43:53,960 –> 00:43:56,560
He was a senator.
Like, I’ll kill everything in my
694
00:43:56,560 –> 00:44:00,240
path, you know?
Like he’s from Lincoln, NE.
695
00:44:00,240 –> 00:44:01,160
It’s like all this.
Yeah.
696
00:44:01,480 –> 00:44:03,960
He’s born in Lincoln, NE.
Yikes.
697
00:44:04,160 –> 00:44:06,840
Oh yeah, it’s crazy anyway.
Springsteen was trying to tell
698
00:44:06,840 –> 00:44:08,600
us, yeah, we should do an
episode about that.
699
00:44:08,800 –> 00:44:13,800
So that was Charles Manson’s
debut album and kind of only
700
00:44:13,800 –> 00:44:17,080
album if you’re looking for
vocals from him if.
701
00:44:17,080 –> 00:44:20,280
You’re a Manson purist like us.
Yeah, yeah.
702
00:44:20,280 –> 00:44:21,400
And.
You don’t want to hear that.
703
00:44:21,400 –> 00:44:23,600
You don’t want to hear the
fucking family milking his
704
00:44:23,600 –> 00:44:27,840
legacy for a yeah what could
have only been the smallest
705
00:44:28,040 –> 00:44:31,840
residual checks of all time.
Yeah, I wonder if that album
706
00:44:31,840 –> 00:44:32,720
sold.
Who knows?
707
00:44:32,920 –> 00:44:35,120
But yeah, we’re going to do a
couple more of these.
708
00:44:35,120 –> 00:44:37,280
I think we should do the
Kevorkian album.
709
00:44:37,280 –> 00:44:39,400
Might be challenging because
it’s just jazz.
710
00:44:39,600 –> 00:44:43,280
You want lyrics to, you know,
comment on, but there’s one of
711
00:44:43,280 –> 00:44:45,280
the John Hinckley material might
be.
712
00:44:45,520 –> 00:44:48,640
Yeah, interesting.
John Hinckley, The Jonestown
713
00:44:48,720 –> 00:44:51,120
Band, I think has an album out
there.
714
00:44:51,160 –> 00:44:53,960
Jonestown’s choir, Keith Keith
Curry was telling me about that.
715
00:44:54,160 –> 00:44:59,440
Yeah, so I hope people enjoyed
this one, and we’ll link to this
716
00:44:59,440 –> 00:45:03,240
album in the show notes if you
want to go give it a listen for
717
00:45:03,240 –> 00:45:04,760
yourself.
It’s a good album.
718
00:45:04,800 –> 00:45:08,320
It’s not the kind of thing I
would listen to a lot, but I
719
00:45:08,320 –> 00:45:10,880
respect the songwriting.
Charles Manson if it was on.
720
00:45:10,880 –> 00:45:13,240
Spotify I got to see if it’s on
Spotify because if it’s on
721
00:45:13,240 –> 00:45:17,200
Spotify, I’ll throw like if I’m
going to Anthony Fantano this
722
00:45:17,200 –> 00:45:19,440
right now, like I’ll throw a big
iron door.
723
00:45:19,680 –> 00:45:23,440
Eyes of a dreamer.
You know, I’ll never say never.
724
00:45:23,440 –> 00:45:29,240
The always Arkansas people say
I’m good and look at your game,
725
00:45:29,240 –> 00:45:30,360
girl.
I’ll throw this in my like
726
00:45:30,360 –> 00:45:32,960
songs.
I wonder if it is streaming that
727
00:45:32,960 –> 00:45:34,600
would be.
Fascinating.
728
00:45:34,640 –> 00:45:36,920
I wouldn’t mind hearing any of
those songs come up on shuffle.
729
00:45:37,160 –> 00:45:39,680
I bet I’ll tell you what I bet
is more likely.
730
00:45:39,680 –> 00:45:42,200
And for some reason my computer
is freezing when I’m trying to
731
00:45:42,200 –> 00:45:43,600
do this.
Of course.
732
00:45:43,760 –> 00:45:50,000
But I wonder if eBay has the CD
cuz people will like bootleg
733
00:45:50,000 –> 00:45:51,680
shit.
Yep, Yep, Yep.
734
00:45:52,960 –> 00:45:55,920
Connor, buckle up, you’re
getting a fucking Charles Manson
735
00:45:55,920 –> 00:45:57,840
CD.
Cuz here’s the thing, there’s
736
00:45:57,840 –> 00:46:00,000
one.
There’s an auction going right
737
00:46:00,000 –> 00:46:01,280
now.
Three days left.
738
00:46:01,280 –> 00:46:03,080
It’s up to $5.50.
Cents.
739
00:46:03,600 –> 00:46:05,720
The good news?
The album is on Spotify.
740
00:46:06,080 –> 00:46:07,440
It is.
It is.
741
00:46:07,440 –> 00:46:08,680
Yep.
Oh that’s amazing.
742
00:46:08,680 –> 00:46:10,960
I’m about to like all of these
songs cuz.
743
00:46:11,480 –> 00:46:14,640
What I’ve been doing I’ve been
trying to build a digital music
744
00:46:14,640 –> 00:46:17,400
file collection.
I’ve been doing the same.
745
00:46:17,400 –> 00:46:19,920
I had a really bitching 1 and I
just got done reorganizing it.
746
00:46:19,960 –> 00:46:24,400
Yeah, so I’ve been buying CDs
and I’ll just RIP them to my
747
00:46:24,720 –> 00:46:28,760
hard drive and then resell them.
So I’m going to buy that fucking
748
00:46:28,760 –> 00:46:32,960
Manson CD and RIP it to my music
player then.
749
00:46:33,200 –> 00:46:35,280
Fuck yeah.
Have that on my eBay sales,
750
00:46:35,280 –> 00:46:38,720
purchase history and buying
history.
751
00:46:38,880 –> 00:46:41,720
Charles Manson.
After collecting Mariah carry
752
00:46:41,720 –> 00:46:45,560
vinyls, that is the most Adam
Todd Brown music hobby buying
753
00:46:45,560 –> 00:46:47,480
CDs, ripping them and then
reselling them.
754
00:46:47,720 –> 00:46:50,680
Yeah, I have a pretty solid
Olivia Rodrigo cassette
755
00:46:50,680 –> 00:46:52,520
collection.
Also I have.
756
00:46:53,680 –> 00:46:56,840
I was someone born in like 2005
dropping cassettes.
757
00:46:57,160 –> 00:47:00,480
They’re back, they’re so much.
I like collecting them better
758
00:47:00,480 –> 00:47:03,240
than albums because you can see
what’s inside.
759
00:47:03,240 –> 00:47:06,240
So if you get like, like if you
get like different colored
760
00:47:06,240 –> 00:47:09,000
version vinyl, you don’t you
have to open it to see it.
761
00:47:09,440 –> 00:47:11,760
Yeah, I hear, I hear that.
Do you?
762
00:47:11,760 –> 00:47:13,840
Do you listen to him?
Because that’s God.
763
00:47:13,840 –> 00:47:17,920
No, they sound like shit.
So it’s just like a trinket or
764
00:47:17,920 –> 00:47:21,640
like a like a curio?
Well I’ll probably resell them
765
00:47:21,840 –> 00:47:23,520
at some point.
Like one of them.
766
00:47:24,000 –> 00:47:26,760
One of the Olivia Rodrigo
cassettes I have is rare as
767
00:47:26,760 –> 00:47:27,840
shit.
OK.
768
00:47:28,160 –> 00:47:32,200
It pops up on eBay once every
like 6 months or so.
769
00:47:32,480 –> 00:47:34,520
They even got the bonus tracks
on Spotify.
770
00:47:34,720 –> 00:47:36,560
Oh shit.
And an interview.
771
00:47:36,960 –> 00:47:39,600
I bet that’s good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
772
00:47:39,600 –> 00:47:43,080
He’s, it’s, it’s a shame he
doesn’t have like, I just bought
773
00:47:43,480 –> 00:47:48,400
a reissued version of Marley
Marrell’s In Control Volume 1,
774
00:47:48,440 –> 00:47:51,520
which is a classic rap CD or rap
album.
775
00:47:51,640 –> 00:47:55,720
And on this version he in
between songs does like a little
776
00:47:55,720 –> 00:47:59,920
32nd like intro and just tells
you a little tidbit about it.
777
00:48:00,040 –> 00:48:02,560
Would have been nice if Chuck
Manson could have done that on
778
00:48:02,560 –> 00:48:05,880
this album a little between song
banter.
779
00:48:06,040 –> 00:48:08,000
You know the serial killers?
Never.
780
00:48:08,080 –> 00:48:11,240
They never bust out the skits.
Can you imagine seeing this guy
781
00:48:11,240 –> 00:48:13,840
in concert?
Oh man, I bet that would have
782
00:48:13,840 –> 00:48:16,520
been intense.
Charles Manson Yeah, I think it
783
00:48:16,520 –> 00:48:17,960
would.
I think it would have been like
784
00:48:17,960 –> 00:48:21,240
a like a Daniel Johnston, but
like a menacing quality.
785
00:48:21,240 –> 00:48:23,640
Like you watch a Daniel Johnston
show and you’re like, wow, that
786
00:48:23,640 –> 00:48:25,120
was just amazing.
I’m kind of, I’m kind of worried
787
00:48:25,120 –> 00:48:27,000
about him.
You see, watch Charles Mitch and
788
00:48:27,000 –> 00:48:28,040
you show like, wow, that was
amazing.
789
00:48:28,040 –> 00:48:29,520
But I’m kind of worried about
us.
790
00:48:29,520 –> 00:48:31,840
What we got to get out of here?
Yeah, exactly.
791
00:48:32,040 –> 00:48:34,360
So I think that’s our episode.
We did it.
792
00:48:34,520 –> 00:48:38,080
Connor, thank you so much for
doing the pod, as always.
793
00:48:38,240 –> 00:48:40,680
What do we have to plug before
we get out of here?
794
00:48:40,720 –> 00:48:44,360
I am on Blue sky, Adam Todd,
brown dot B, Sky dot social.
795
00:48:44,360 –> 00:48:46,040
Go follow me there.
That’s all I got.
796
00:48:46,200 –> 00:48:49,200
What do you want to?
Plug Connor Mcpadden dot B hole
797
00:48:49,200 –> 00:48:51,880
dot social.
It’s my Grinder.
798
00:48:52,360 –> 00:48:55,240
Watch my comedy special live in
Tucson on YouTube.
799
00:48:55,240 –> 00:48:58,440
Connor Mcspadden live in Tucson.
Check it out.
800
00:48:58,720 –> 00:49:01,040
And I think that’s it.
Let’s get the fuck out of here,
801
00:49:01,040 –> 00:49:02,360
Connor.
Say goodbye.
802
00:49:02,560 –> 00:49:04,080
Goodbye.
Goodbye, everybody.
803
00:49:04,080 –> 00:49:04,480
We love you.