Originally recorded and released as a subscriber only bonus episode in June, 2022. Available publicly for the first time. Adam goes it alone to discuss the weird and complicated legacy of Milton William Cooper, author of one of history’s most enduring conspiracy theory books.
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Hey everybody, this is Adam,
host of the podcast you’re about
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to listen to.
Don’t skip this, it’s not an ad.
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Just drop it in to let you know
that this episode was originally
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recorded and released as a
subscriber only bonus episode
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back in June of 2022, so just a
little over a year ago.
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If you’re keeping score at home,
I’m putting this one out
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publicly now for a few reasons.
For one, we’re taking the week
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off from recording, so there’s
that.
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But also, this episode not only
ties into some stuff we’ve
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talked about recently, but also
it has some ties to an upcoming
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thing we’re doing.
The episode you’re about to
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listen to is about a guy named
Milton William Cooper, who is
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one of the godfathers of the
conspiracy theory movement in
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this country.
He is the author of a seminal
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conspiracy theory book called
Behold A Pale Horse.
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You might recall that we did a
couple of free episodes about
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that book, also in June of 2022.
This bonus episode was part of
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that series, but it focuses more
on the man who wrote the book as
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opposed to the book itself.
If you recall, on last week’s
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episode, we teased that we’d be
doing a new book club series.
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Well, next week’s episode will
be the first of those.
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We’re reading a book called The
Keepers, An alien message for
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the human race written by a guy
named Jim Sparks.
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You should read it too.
And then listen to us talk about
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it next week.
The book is a little hard to
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find, but if nothing else,
Barnes and Noble has the ebook
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version for real cheap.
But also, this episode ties into
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a thing we just talked about,
which is Stephen Greer and his
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belief that if you just
concentrate hard enough, you can
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compel aliens to visit you.
That sounds like a recent
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development in the Alien debate,
but as you’ll note when you
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listen to this episode, that
divide in the alien community
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has existed at least since
Milton William Cooper released
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Behold A Pale Horse, and that
was in 1991.
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Around the 36 minute mark of
this episode, the subject turns
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to Dark Side versus Light Side
Aliens, and it will all sound
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super familiar, provided you
listened to the recent Stephen
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Greer episode with Connor
Mcspadden.
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So hey, enjoy this throwback
episode that is available
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publicly for the first time and
come back next week to hear us
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talk, talk about the Keepers, an
alien message for the human
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race.
And thanks, we love you.
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Let’s get to the show.
Went to the transpiracy.
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This world.
I’m a chestable transpiracy.
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Parents with the outros.
Adam
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Hey everybody.
Welcome to Conspiracy the show.
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I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown,
joining me as cohost this week.
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Ooh, my favorite cohost of all.
No cohost.
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I am going it alone, not just
for this episode, but for the
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next episode, maybe the next two
or three episodes.
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We’re talking about a couple of
subjects that are probably as
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responsible for the existence of
this podcast as anything else.
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That would be the 1991
conspiracy theory book Behold A
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Pale Horse and the man who wrote
it, Milton William Cooper.
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It is impossible to overstate
how important this book is when
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it comes to conspiracy theorist
types.
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It is foundational stuff.
A lot of conspiracy theory
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greatest hits first gained
widespread attention with this
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book.
The New World Order, secret
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societies, the CIA, selling
drugs, AIDS is a bioweapon.
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The gangs.
All here, even if not everything
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covered in the book, originated
with the book.
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This is without a doubt where a
whole lot of people first read
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about some of history’s most
enduring conspiracy theories.
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Listen to everyone.
Read everything.
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Believe nothing until you
yourself can prove it with your
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own research.
That’s a quote, and it sounds
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like a quote from your Q Anon
loving uncle, because that is
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definitely something that he
would say to you.
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But it’s also a quote from
Milton William Cooper, the
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author of Behold A Pale Horse.
He is the godfather of the Do
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Your Own research movement.
Among other things, one of the
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interesting aspects of Behold A
Pale Horse is that it achieved
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its popularity, at least in
part, by being one of the most
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popular prison books of all
time.
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You might be wondering, what is
a prison book?
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Let me see if I can explain it.
It’s a book everyone reads when
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they go to prison.
That was actually easier to
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explain then I built it up to
be.
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But I’ve never been to prison,
so my introduction to the book
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happened a different way, and
that was by listening to a whole
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bunch of mid 90s rap music.
You see, right around the time
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gangster rap was murdering off
the last vestiges of conscious
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rap and the government was
murdering off Tupac and Biggie.
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Around that same time, a lot of
mainstream rappers suddenly
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became super duper, interested
in and or scared of the New
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World Order conspiracy.
And we all know now that a small
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group of elites secretly run the
world and are aspiring to
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enslave us all through the
establishment of a one world
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government.
That’s the New World Order
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conspiracy in elevator pitch
form.
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If you’re listening to this
podcast, there’s no way you’re
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not familiar with it by now.
George HW Bush very notoriously
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used the phrase in a speech
right around the time Behold A
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Pale Horse was released, which
was 1991 again.
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And I’m sure that was just a
total coincidence and not Bush’s
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CIA ass poking the bear in some
way.
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Whatever the case, I’m fairly
certain the first time I heard
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the phrase New World Order in a
rap song was the 1995 Goodie Mob
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single Cell Therapy, or along
those same lines.
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It also comes up a bunch on the
2nd Outcast album, which is
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called At Elians, which was
released the following year.
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And it’s not an exaggeration to
say this might be the most
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referenced book in rap music
history.
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It’s definitely the most
referenced conspiracy theory
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book, which I’m sure at least
has a little to do with how cool
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the title is.
The title comes from the Book of
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Revelation, chapter 6, verse
eight, in which John is witness
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to the opening of the Seven
Seals.
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I’m sure I didn’t need to tell
any of you that.
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Here’s the quote and I looked
and behold A Pale Horse and his
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name that sat on him was Death
in Hell.
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Followed with him.
Johnny Cash also reads that
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passage in the song When the Man
Comes Around, completely
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unrelated, the title of the
first chapter of this book,
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Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars,
is also the title of an album by
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Wu Tang affiliates Killa Army.
And the book gets all this love
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from the Hiphop community still
to this day, despite the book’s
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author being a white dude who
lived on top of a mountain in
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Arizona who the Anti Defamation
League described as a right wing
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militia leader.
I’m not sure that’s completely
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accurate.
But either way it makes sense
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that the hip hop community would
rally around this book,
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especially when you take into
account that a lot of the
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theories in it involved the
government targeting black
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people specifically.
So a book like this, coming from
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someone who was former military
intelligence, just kind of
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confirmed a lot of suspicions a
lot of people had about the
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government where they even read
the book.
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And also to his credit, Bill
Cooper was kind of like Cristal
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Champagne in reverse when it
came to the rap music industry,
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embracing his book.
Whereas the owner of Cristal
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Champagne encouraged the rap
stars who were shouting out his
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product to consider shouting out
Krug or Dom Perignon instead,
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Bill Cooper was psyched when he
was told rap music had embraced
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his book.
Now, how hearing those rap
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lyrics about the New World Order
led me to knowing which
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conspiracy theory books to buy
without the help of the Internet
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is beyond me.
However, it happened.
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I landed on four books that
served as my introduction to
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conspiracy theories in general.
Confusingly, two of them are
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called the New World Order, one
is written by a guy named a
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Ralph Epperson, and the other
is, of course, written by
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evangelical Christian icon Pat
Robertson.
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To add to the confusion, there’s
a third nonfiction book called
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The New World Order, but it was
written by fiction writer HG
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Wells, so people assume it’s
fiction also.
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But no, it’s about how he
thinks.
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The only way the world is going
to thrive and prosper is if we
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do install a One World
government.
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The Epperson and Robertson books
are about how that is a bad
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thing that we should not do.
But also, if we’re going in
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chronological order, that third
New World Order book by HG Wells
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is actually the first New World
Order book.
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And in either case, it’s not the
third of the four books I
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mentioned.
I trust you’re all still with
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me.
The third book that formed my
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introduction to conspiracy
theories is called The Unseen
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Hand and Introduction to the
Conspiratorial View of History.
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Appropriately enough, that’s a
1985 book also written by a
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Ralph Epperson.
I haven’t interacted with either
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of his books since reading them
way back then, but I remember
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thinking The Unseen Hand was
especially interesting, and the
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Amazon review certainly seemed
to agree.
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So maybe I’ll read it again.
But for now, the fourth of those
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conspiracy books that I was
somehow compelled to purchase,
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behold A Pale Horse.
That’s what we’re going to focus
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on for the next few episodes.
Because again, of all those
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books, Behold A Pale Horse is
far and away the most iconic and
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best selling.
It had an initial press run of
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3500 copies, but as of 2017, it
was closing in on 300,000 copies
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sold.
That’s a lot for a book,
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especially a book like this.
And that is according to the
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2018 book Pale Horse Rider,
William Cooper, The Rise of
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Conspiracy in The Fall of Trust
in America by Mark Jacobson.
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On this first episode, I’m going
to focus more on the man behind
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the book, Behold A Pale Horse,
as opposed to the book itself,
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and as such, Mark Jacobson’s
book is probably your best
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resource if you want way, way,
way more information about what
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we’re talking about today.
Which again, is Bill Cooper
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outside of what you’d learn just
reading Behold A Pale Horse.
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If you’re still hungry for more
after that, for one thing, I’ve
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compiled about 10 pages of notes
for a book.
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That’s about 400 pages, so you
can certainly go read Marc
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Jacobson’s book.
If you want to know more about
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Bill Cooper, you’re still hungry
after that, you can also check
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out Beyond the Pale Horse, The
Strange Case of Milton William
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Cooper by Gray Barker and Andrew
Colvin.
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I’ll tell you up front, those
are two radically different
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books.
Pale Horse Rider is a fairly
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objective work written by a
journalist.
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The Strange Case of Milton
William Cooper is written by a
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friend of Cooper’s who, despite
opening the book saying he
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didn’t agree with everything
Cooper had to say, clearly
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agreed with everything Cooper
had to say, and treated the
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subject like he was talking
about some kind of Messiah.
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Bill Cooper is not Messiah.
He’s not a prophet.
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He is just a very, very
complicated man who I don’t
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think I trust anymore.
I definitely did when I first
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read Behold A Pale Horse back in
the mid 90s.
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But there is a lot of context
missing if you form your opinion
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about Bill Cooper just by
reading that one book.
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So let’s talk about him again.
A lot of what we’re going to
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talk about today is also covered
in the book Pale Horse Rider,
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William Cooper, The Rise of
Conspiracy in the Fall of Trust
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in America by Marc Jacobson.
We’ll link to it in the show
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notes.
Give it a read, why don’t you?
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So Bill Cooper, he was born May
6, 1943.
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His dad was in the military.
He eventually joined the
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military as well.
The military stuff will be very
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important later, but we can
gloss over it for now.
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The childhood and upbringing
stuff is always my least
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favorite part of any biography,
so I’m going to skip it.
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Go read the book if you want to
know.
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One thing you definitely won’t
read about Bill Cooper in Behold
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A Pale Horse is that he famously
kind of predicted 9/11 after
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watching A/C NN interview with
Osama bin Laden in July 2001.
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Here’s a quote.
Supposedly A/C NN reporter found
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Osama bin Laden, took a
television camera crew with him
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and interviewed him and his top
leadership lieutenants and his
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colonels and generals in their
hideout.
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Now don’t you think that’s kind
of strange folks?
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Because the largest intelligence
apparatus in the world with the
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biggest budget in the history of
the world has been looking for
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Osama bin Laden for years and
years and years and can’t find
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him.
But some doofus jerk off
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reporter with his little camera
crew waltzes right into his
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secret hideout and interviews
him.
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And you know what?
That does sound strange when he
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puts it that way.
But also, there’s more.
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Here’s another quote.
I’m telling you to be prepared
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for a major attack.
Something terrible is going to
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happen in this country and
whatever is going to happen,
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they’re going to blame on Osama
bin Laden.
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Don’t you even believe it?
End Quote.
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And there’s more.
Here’s another quote.
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Within weeks, the Congress will
pass draconian legislation aimed
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at restricting the rights of
American citizens.
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You’re going to have
surveillance cameras on every
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street corner.
You think your phones are being
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tapped?
Now just wait.
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No one is going to gain from
this except a very small group
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of people.
Everyone else will lose.
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No one will lose more than the
American people.
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From now on, freedom will be
whatever the law allows you to
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do.
And quote, that’s all pretty
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chilling because he said all
that in July of 2001 and in
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September of 2001, if you
recall, a lot of that happened.
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But there’s even more, because
he also made another prediction
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well before that 911 prediction.
Here’s that quote.
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They’re going to kill me, ladies
and gentlemen.
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They’re going to come up here in
the middle of the night and
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shoot me dead right on my
doorstep.
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And guess what?
A couple months after 911 that
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happened to Bill Cooper was
indeed killed in a shootout with
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police.
But we’ll talk about that more
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later.
For now, let’s talk about
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another thing he is alleged to
have predicted, which is the
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rise of a Trump like leader.
In a 1992 CNN interview, he said
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it was impossible for another
Abraham Lincoln to be elected
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president of the United States
and that the only way to get the
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people in office now out of
office was to stop voting for
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them, which that’s true.
He also added, kick all the
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members of the secret societies
out of the bureaucracy, try them
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for treason because that’s what
they are, traitors.
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And how are we supposed to do
all that?
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Elect a president who had never
served in government before?
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So that all sounds shockingly
similar to how people feel about
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Trump and what he was supposed
to have accomplished by becoming
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president but very much did not.
But Bill Cooper’s misgivings
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about the government obviously
go way back before 911.
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After all, Behold A Pale Horse
came out ten years prior to
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that.
But he says his disillusionment
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with the government started back
when he was serving in the Navy.
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He worked on the briefing team
for guy named Admiral Bernard A
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Clary, commander in Chief of the
US Pacific Fleet.
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And this job came with an
upgraded security clearance that
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he claims allowed him to view
all sorts of highly sensitive
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material.
By the way, his security
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clearance level in the military
Q.
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Because of course it was Q.
Anyway, his issues started with
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seeing Nixon give a speech about
how we were conducting no
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bombing raids in North Vietnam,
Cambodia, or Laos, and then 5
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minutes later seeing
intelligence reports about
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bombing missions over those
exact areas.
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But he also claimed to have seen
a whole bunch of other stuff in
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Admiral Clary’s files as well,
like documents proving that the
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US government was directly
involved in the assassination of
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JFK.
This is where he says he first
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learned of a theory that would
define him in his early days on
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the conspiracy theorist scene.
That theory being that JFK was
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actually killed by his limo
driver, Secret Service agent
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William Greer, who shot him with
a shellfish toxin pellet gun.
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Cooper even sold his own version
of the Sapruder film that
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highlighted the moment he
claimed you could see Greer turn
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around and shoot Kennedy.
Don’t watch the president, watch
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the driver.
And here’s the thing.
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If you watch the video and keep
your eye on the driver, there is
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a point when all the shootings
happen and where the driver
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turns around, but also there’s a
whole bunch of shooting
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happening and the person getting
hit is behind him.
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So you’re probably going to turn
around to check that out.
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I don’t know if that means he
killed Kennedy.
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William Cooper seemed to think
it did, but that whole thing was
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still a decade or two down the
road in Bill Cooper’s life.
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Not the Kennedy assassination
that obviously happened in the
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early 60s, but him caring about
it in a public way would take a
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while between seeing that
stockpile of secrets in Admiral
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Clary’s office and riding Behold
A pale horse.
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A whole bunch of other things
happen.
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Like Bill Cooper serving in
Vietnam, which unsurprisingly
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did nothing to improve his
personal relationship with the
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US government, which was already
pretty badly strained on account
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of him finding out they off JFK
with lobster bullets after he
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got back from Vietnam.
He was so fed up with the
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government he decided to reach
out to a reporter, Watergate
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style, about what he’d learned
about the Kennedy assassination.
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Except instead of that leading
to his secret knowledge becoming
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national news, Cooper claims it
led to a black limousine running
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him off the road while he was
riding his motorcycle in
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Oakland.
To hear him tell it, he was
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riding along, minding his own
business, when a black Cadillac
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limo started elegating him.
Shortly thereafter, the limo
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moved to the left lane like it
was going to pass, and then
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veered to the right, sending
Cooper and his motorcycle over a
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guardrail and down the bottom of
an incline.
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Here’s a quote.
Two men got out and climbed down
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to where I lay covered in blood
1 bent down and felt for my
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carotid pulse.
The other asked if I was dead.
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The nearest man said no, but he
will be.
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Except here’s the thing.
He didn’t die.
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He survived.
But then almost the exact same
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thing happened a month later,
same limo and everything.
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This time it just worked a
little better and Cooper mangled
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his leg to the point that it was
partially amputated and he
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walked with prosthetic from then
on.
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He claims that after this
accident, while hospitalized, he
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woke to find two men standing
over his bedside.
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Here’s a quote.
They only wanted to know if I
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would shut up or if the next
time should be final.
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I told them that I would be a
very good little boy and that
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they needn’t worry about me
anymore.
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And quote, he says he knew he
was lying.
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But what are you going to say in
that situation?
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Either say no, you’re not going
to talk anymore, or you get
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smothered with a pillow.
Seems like an easy choice.
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But on the bright side, it was
in that hospital bed where Bill
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Cooper met the future Mrs. Bill
Cooper, or like the 4th future
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Mrs. Bill Cooper.
According to Pale Horse Rider,
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no one is quite sure how many
times Bill Cooper’s been
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married.
His FBI file includes a quote
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from his dad saying his son had
been married or engaged at least
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nine times.
But this all happened around
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1976, the incident where he gets
run off the road, allegedly for
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trying to report what he knew
about the Kennedy assassination.
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It was late that year when he
married Janice Pell, who was
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working as his nurse when he was
in the hospital after that
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incident.
Here’s a quote from her.
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I had no idea what I was getting
into.
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One minute he’d be the sweetest,
warmest guy.
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Then he’d change, start yelling
at me for no reason.
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It was like living with Dr.
Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
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And quote the Cooper was also a
lifelong heavy drinker, which,
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as you’d expect, led to lots of
problems in his relationship.
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Oops, romantic and otherwise.
Here’s another quote from Janice
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Pell.
He’d get abusive mentally, and
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after a while, physically, I
tried to make excuses for him.
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The war, his leg.
He always told me the men in the
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car would come back and finish
the job.
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That was what kept him on edge,
he said.
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I was afraid of him.
He was this huge man, really
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strong, like a giant bear.
If something happened, he always
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came back and apologized.
He’d cry and say he didn’t know
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what got into him.
He didn’t even remember what
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happened and quote so Bill
Cooper sounds like a whole lot
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of person to deal with.
At one point he was diagnosed
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with PTSD, which at the time was
called Post Traumatic Delayed
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Stress Syndrome.
And he was admitted for extended
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inpatient stays at Long Beach
Veterans Administration Medical
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Center from July 7th to
September 25th, 1981 and again
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from March 8th to April 28th,
1982.
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So those weren’t short stays.
One of the watershed moments in
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Bill Cooper’s life happened on
December 11th, 1984.
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That’s when a package postmarked
from Albuquerque, NM, arrived in
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the North Hollywood mailbox of
documentary filmmaker Jamie
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Chandera.
The package contained a mostly
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blank roll of 35 millimeter
film, except there were 8 frames
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of that film.
Each frame had one page of what
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would eventually make up one of
the most notorious discoveries
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of the UFO truth or movement.
The majestic 12 document was a
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top secret memo allegedly from
President Truman informing
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president-elect Dwight D
Eisenhower about the existence
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of a governmental program
dealing with UFO’s.
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The name comes from a quote from
Truman in that memo where he
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says hereafter this matter shall
be referred to only as Operation
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Majestic 12.
And quote, Can you imagine
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finding something like that out
by way of a memo?
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You’re just alone at your desk
and you read.
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By the way, we have been in
contact with Ufo’s and aliens
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for quite a while.
Enjoy your presidency.
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Shortly after Jamie Chandera
received the Majestic 12
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document, a story about it was
published in an LA publication
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called UFO Magazine, and that
set Cooper off.
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Said he could barely believe his
eyes because he’d already read
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about all that in a treasure
trove of documents in Admiral
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Clary’s office.
Where else?
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Getting run off the road by the
Men in Black had kept him quiet
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for 16 years, but upon reading
this article, Bill Cooper quote,
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decided to enter the arena and
quote.
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And as luck would have it, this
revelation happened at a point
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in history when going public
with secret knowledge was
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becoming easier than ever,
thanks to something called the
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Internet.
Ever heard of it?
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In the summer of 1988, Cooper
started posting on a dawn of the
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Internet message board called
Parinet, which was founded by a
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Ufologist named Jim Spieser.
Is that how we’re pronouncing
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that ufologist?
At one point, Bill Cooper has a
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falling out with the UFO
community and he started
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referring to them as Ufologists,
which that’s very funny, but
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doesn’t tell me at all how I’m
supposed to be pronouncing this
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word.
I’m going ufologist, you’ll be
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fine.
Anyway, his first post on
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Peronet in 1988 detailed an
incident he claimed to have
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witnessed while on board the
submarine USS Tyru in 1966,
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where he and his fellow crew
members saw, quote, a metal
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craft larger than a football
field tumble from the clouds
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into the ocean.
End Quote.
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They also said it dipped into
the water, came back out, did
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that a couple more times and
then shot up into the sky,
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disappeared into the clouds.
Here’s another quote.
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There was no doubt as to what we
had seen.
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It was a metal craft with
machinery on and around the
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outside of it.
It appeared to have windows or
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lenses placed around its
perimeter.
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It made no noise that we could
hear.
436
00:24:23,090 –> 00:24:26,250
It did not disturb the Subs
electrical systems, nor did it
437
00:24:26,250 –> 00:24:30,370
affect the gyro compass.
It had the shape and form of a
438
00:24:30,370 –> 00:24:34,730
saucer with a bowl inverted in
the saucer and it was huge.
439
00:24:35,090 –> 00:24:37,330
I will never forget it as long
as I live.
440
00:24:37,370 –> 00:24:40,090
This is the first time I have
ever mentioned it since the
441
00:24:40,090 –> 00:24:42,850
moment that the captain told me
that it was classified.
442
00:24:42,930 –> 00:24:46,850
And quote, he says after that he
was approached by a superior who
443
00:24:46,850 –> 00:24:50,090
told him to keep quiet about
what he’d seen for the sake of
444
00:24:50,090 –> 00:24:52,850
his career.
So that was Milton William
445
00:24:52,850 –> 00:24:57,450
Cooper’s opening salvo in the
then burgeoning conspiracy
446
00:24:57,450 –> 00:25:01,970
theory media industry.
Things got really resting for
447
00:25:01,970 –> 00:25:06,330
Bill Cooper in the conspiracy
theory space a few days after
448
00:25:06,330 –> 00:25:11,250
that post when on August 25th,
1988, another entry went up on
449
00:25:11,250 –> 00:25:14,290
the Peronet message board.
It was called the John Lear
450
00:25:14,290 –> 00:25:17,930
Hypothesis, and as the title
implies, it was written by a guy
451
00:25:17,930 –> 00:25:20,610
named John Lear.
You might be asking Lear like
452
00:25:20,610 –> 00:25:23,130
the Lear Jet.
And yes, just like the Jet, but
453
00:25:23,130 –> 00:25:26,640
that was his dad, William Lear,
who also founded Motorola.
454
00:25:26,640 –> 00:25:29,560
But John Lear wasn’t burdened
with things like needing to
455
00:25:29,560 –> 00:25:34,000
work, so he made his name mostly
by becoming a pilot and breaking
456
00:25:34,000 –> 00:25:37,240
a bunch of speed records.
By the time he was 25, he held
457
00:25:37,240 –> 00:25:40,920
17 separate airspeed records.
Oh, and he also flew for the
458
00:25:40,920 –> 00:25:44,760
CIAA whole bunch, specifically
for their Air America and
459
00:25:44,760 –> 00:25:49,700
Continental Air Services fleets
from 1966 to 1973.
460
00:25:49,740 –> 00:25:51,980
We mentioned the documentary
Mirage Men All the Time on this
461
00:25:51,980 –> 00:25:53,660
pod.
That’s a documentary about a
462
00:25:53,660 –> 00:25:57,060
military guy named Richard Doty,
whose main job was to supply
463
00:25:57,060 –> 00:25:59,900
people who’d found real
government secrets and made them
464
00:25:59,900 –> 00:26:03,460
public with additional fake
information that the feds could
465
00:26:03,460 –> 00:26:06,730
use to discredit that person
when they inevitably make that
466
00:26:06,730 –> 00:26:09,530
fake information public as well.
And I think there’s a pretty
467
00:26:09,530 –> 00:26:13,210
good chance that was happening
here a few days after Bill
468
00:26:13,210 –> 00:26:17,890
Cooper surfaces on the Peronet
board to assert his credentials
469
00:26:17,930 –> 00:26:22,690
as a military man with insider
knowledge about UFO’s in swoops.
470
00:26:22,690 –> 00:26:27,570
Former CIA man with an even more
fantastical tale of UFO
471
00:26:27,570 –> 00:26:30,770
shenanigans.
According to the Lear hypothesis
472
00:26:30,810 –> 00:26:34,210
quote, the United States
government has been in business
473
00:26:34,210 –> 00:26:37,610
with Little Gray
extraterrestrials for about 20
474
00:26:37,610 –> 00:26:40,290
years.
Those we trust with our lives
475
00:26:40,370 –> 00:26:43,690
have sold us out to aliens from
another world.
476
00:26:43,810 –> 00:26:46,610
It’s a very complicated theory
that we’ve talked about on the
477
00:26:46,610 –> 00:26:48,850
show.
It also forms the basis of the
478
00:26:48,850 –> 00:26:51,930
second-half of the most recent
season of American Horror Story.
479
00:26:52,130 –> 00:26:53,490
You just go watch that if you
want.
480
00:26:53,570 –> 00:26:56,130
I thought it was very good, but
the short version is that at
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00:26:56,130 –> 00:27:00,570
some point President Eisenhower
struck a deal with aliens who
482
00:27:00,570 –> 00:27:04,210
were already living on Earth,
where they would give us access
483
00:27:04,210 –> 00:27:07,370
to alien technology energy in
exchange for us letting them
484
00:27:07,730 –> 00:27:10,970
kidnap humans to use for
experimentation purposes.
485
00:27:11,050 –> 00:27:15,570
More than 20,000 children a year
were being abducted by the 1960s
486
00:27:15,570 –> 00:27:19,170
on account of this arrangement,
according to Lear’s hypothesis.
487
00:27:19,290 –> 00:27:22,010
Also, pause for a second,
calling it a hypothesis.
488
00:27:22,010 –> 00:27:23,970
Seems weird, right?
This isn’t really the kind of
489
00:27:23,970 –> 00:27:28,490
thing you’d go public with
before having some pretty solid
490
00:27:28,490 –> 00:27:30,330
evidence.
Except yeah, you would if you’re
491
00:27:30,330 –> 00:27:32,650
John Lear.
On several occasions he made it
492
00:27:32,650 –> 00:27:36,050
clear that everything he was
saying could be incorrect.
493
00:27:36,050 –> 00:27:38,570
It’s just a hypothesis.
Which no, it’s not.
494
00:27:38,570 –> 00:27:41,530
It’s not a hypothesis.
But I’m not here to argue the
495
00:27:41,530 –> 00:27:44,890
definition of words.
The author of Pale Horse Rider
496
00:27:44,890 –> 00:27:48,010
actually interviewed John Lear
and got this quote out of him,
497
00:27:48,170 –> 00:27:50,650
among others.
Everything, I think, is just so
498
00:27:50,650 –> 00:27:52,490
much bullshit.
But it is bullshit.
499
00:27:52,490 –> 00:27:55,050
I happen to believe in, at least
today.
500
00:27:55,130 –> 00:27:58,460
End Quote.
So when you couple his CIA
501
00:27:58,460 –> 00:28:03,140
background with the fact that he
is just an admitted liar, you’d
502
00:28:03,140 –> 00:28:07,140
have every reason in the world
to suspect John Lear was not on
503
00:28:07,140 –> 00:28:10,100
the up and up.
But nevertheless his hypothesis
504
00:28:10,100 –> 00:28:13,500
struck a chord with Bill Cooper.
Here’s a quote again from John
505
00:28:13,500 –> 00:28:15,380
Lear and the Pale Horse Rider
book.
506
00:28:15,460 –> 00:28:18,300
Except then I heard there was
this guy on Peronet who was
507
00:28:18,300 –> 00:28:20,590
supporting what I said, Bill
Cooper.
508
00:28:20,630 –> 00:28:23,270
He was riding into the bulletin
board saying he worked in the
509
00:28:23,270 –> 00:28:26,510
Office of Naval Intelligence and
seen this incredible amount of
510
00:28:26,510 –> 00:28:30,990
top secret material and could
vouch for word for word. 50% of
511
00:28:30,990 –> 00:28:34,830
what I said, 50%, I thought to
myself, well, that’s not bad.
512
00:28:34,910 –> 00:28:38,110
I gave him my phone number, told
him to call, which he did pretty
513
00:28:38,110 –> 00:28:40,350
much right away.
Few days later he was at my
514
00:28:40,350 –> 00:28:44,830
house ringing the doorbell.
And so from 1988 to 1990, Bill
515
00:28:44,830 –> 00:28:48,270
Cooper and John Lear spend a
whole bunch of time together,
516
00:28:48,680 –> 00:28:51,040
which is around the same time
Bill Cooper would have been
517
00:28:51,040 –> 00:28:54,320
compiling the work that became
Behold A Pale Horse.
518
00:28:54,360 –> 00:28:56,960
Here’s another quote from John
Lear about Bill Cooper.
519
00:28:57,080 –> 00:29:00,120
I liked him from the beginning.
He was smart, had a good sense
520
00:29:00,120 –> 00:29:03,840
of humor and amazing memory.
He could also drink me under the
521
00:29:03,840 –> 00:29:06,760
table, which wasn’t so easy to
do back then.
522
00:29:06,760 –> 00:29:10,120
When I saw him put away 1/5 of
Scotch before lunchtime, I knew
523
00:29:10,120 –> 00:29:14,320
he was my kind of guy and quote.
So if you’re a fundamentalist
524
00:29:14,320 –> 00:29:17,720
believer in the book Behold A
Pale Horse, I would invite you
525
00:29:17,720 –> 00:29:22,280
to let this last section of the
podcast give you a little pause.
526
00:29:22,360 –> 00:29:26,960
This is a former CIA man
intervening in the life of
527
00:29:26,960 –> 00:29:30,400
someone who had already been
diagnosed with Post Traumatic
528
00:29:30,400 –> 00:29:35,070
Stress Disorder, who had a
serious drinking problem, and he
529
00:29:35,150 –> 00:29:40,030
shows up in Bill Cooper’s life
with this fantastical tale of
530
00:29:40,190 –> 00:29:43,910
aliens striking up business
deals with Dwight Eisenhower.
531
00:29:43,990 –> 00:29:45,790
But hey, he just flew for the
CIA.
532
00:29:45,910 –> 00:29:49,310
I’m sure it’s all just
coincidences and nothing more.
533
00:29:50,350 –> 00:29:54,110
So anyway, the Lear hypothesis
basically took the Majestic 12
534
00:29:54,110 –> 00:29:57,310
theory that started with that
mysterious roll of film and
535
00:29:57,310 –> 00:30:00,630
added an extra layer to it.
That being that Eisenhower
536
00:30:00,630 –> 00:30:03,870
struck a deal with the aliens
that the Truman memo told him
537
00:30:03,870 –> 00:30:05,830
about.
By the time Cooper and Lear
538
00:30:05,830 –> 00:30:09,510
started hanging out, Bill Cooper
was already deep into riding his
539
00:30:09,550 –> 00:30:14,110
own newer version of the
majestic 12 slash Lear
540
00:30:14,150 –> 00:30:16,910
hypothesis.
His version, which appears in a
541
00:30:16,910 –> 00:30:20,330
modified form in Behold A Pale
Horse, is called the Secret
542
00:30:20,330 –> 00:30:24,490
Government, the Origin,
identity, and purpose of MJ12,
543
00:30:24,610 –> 00:30:29,010
and it adds a whole bunch of new
and exciting details to the Lear
544
00:30:29,010 –> 00:30:33,130
hypothesis, most of them drawn
from his memories of those
545
00:30:33,130 –> 00:30:37,090
documents he claims to have seen
all those years ago in his Navy
546
00:30:37,090 –> 00:30:40,090
boss’s office.
Don’t worry, he recovered them
547
00:30:40,090 –> 00:30:43,130
through hypnosis, and in his
version of the story, there’s
548
00:30:43,130 –> 00:30:46,650
more downed alien crafts,
there’s more recovered aliens,
549
00:30:46,930 –> 00:30:50,610
and for the first time, human
body parts are alleged to have
550
00:30:50,610 –> 00:30:53,490
been found on one of the downed
alien aircraft.
551
00:30:53,490 –> 00:30:56,890
He also added some new
technology to the list of items
552
00:30:56,890 –> 00:30:59,810
we are alleged to have received
from the aliens, including a
553
00:30:59,810 –> 00:31:02,970
particle beam weapon and
machinery for cloning and
554
00:31:02,970 –> 00:31:05,730
synthetic genetic duplication of
humans.
555
00:31:05,730 –> 00:31:08,690
Sounds cool.
Cooper was so convinced that his
556
00:31:08,690 –> 00:31:12,170
memories of these files were
correct and accurate that he
557
00:31:12,170 –> 00:31:17,150
made 535 copies of everything he
knew about aliens and sent it to
558
00:31:17,270 –> 00:31:19,510
every member of the US House and
Senate.
559
00:31:19,590 –> 00:31:24,630
It cost him $27,000 in 1989
money and almost certainly got
560
00:31:24,630 –> 00:31:28,270
him on every government watch
list imaginable immediately.
561
00:31:28,310 –> 00:31:32,430
Among the stuff he sent them was
the species classified, A
562
00:31:32,470 –> 00:31:35,870
rundown of the various traits of
nine different alien races,
563
00:31:36,190 –> 00:31:40,750
including the Zeta Reticuli,
Gray’s Small, Orion, Gray’s
564
00:31:40,870 –> 00:31:45,130
Tall, the Draco Moth Men, the
Darrows, Taros, and more.
565
00:31:45,170 –> 00:31:48,490
His mailing also included an
offer to undergo hypnotic
566
00:31:48,490 –> 00:31:52,690
regression therapy to prove he
wasn’t lying after all.
567
00:31:52,770 –> 00:31:54,810
That’s how we remembered all
this stuff anyway.
568
00:31:54,890 –> 00:31:56,250
And then that’s when it
happened.
569
00:31:56,370 –> 00:32:02,570
At the 1989 symposium of the
Mutual UFO Network MUFON, a guy
570
00:32:02,570 –> 00:32:06,130
named William Moore, one of the
originators of the Majestic 12
571
00:32:06,130 –> 00:32:10,810
theory, tearfully confessed that
he’d colluded with none other
572
00:32:10,810 –> 00:32:15,050
than Richard Doughty to spread
false information information to
573
00:32:15,050 –> 00:32:19,450
UFO researchers, including a guy
named Paul Benowitz, an avid You
574
00:32:19,450 –> 00:32:23,170
fooligist, who built a
high-powered antenna on the roof
575
00:32:23,170 –> 00:32:26,530
of his New Mexico home to pick
up alien transmissions.
576
00:32:26,850 –> 00:32:28,930
And apparently shit like that
might work.
577
00:32:29,290 –> 00:32:33,570
Because the government was so
concerned about this, they sent
578
00:32:33,610 –> 00:32:37,900
William Moore and Richard Doty
out to Paul Benowitz to give him
579
00:32:37,900 –> 00:32:41,620
fake information that they could
use to discredit him later on
580
00:32:41,620 –> 00:32:44,780
the off chance he actually heard
something real by setting up
581
00:32:44,780 –> 00:32:47,900
that high-powered antenna.
This is an actual quote from
582
00:32:47,900 –> 00:32:49,940
William Moore at that MUFON
conference.
583
00:32:50,060 –> 00:32:53,020
What we are hearing about
malevolent aliens, underground
584
00:32:53,020 –> 00:32:56,540
bases, and secret treaties
between the aliens and the US
585
00:32:56,540 –> 00:32:59,980
government has its roots in the
Benowitz affair.
586
00:33:00,780 –> 00:33:05,060
And quote Bill Cooper was livid
when he heard this.
587
00:33:05,060 –> 00:33:08,580
He confronted John Lear to find
out who he was really working
588
00:33:08,580 –> 00:33:12,940
for, but eventually he calmed
down and decided that while the
589
00:33:12,940 –> 00:33:16,740
M J12 documents were for sure
fake and William Moore was
590
00:33:16,740 –> 00:33:20,780
definitely a liar, his memories
of those files he saw in Admiral
591
00:33:20,780 –> 00:33:25,540
Clary’s office were still very
real, even if a huge chunk of
592
00:33:25,540 –> 00:33:29,180
them pertained to a thing he now
accepted was not real.
593
00:33:29,220 –> 00:33:32,500
Pretty confusing huh?
But despite having the basis of
594
00:33:32,500 –> 00:33:35,700
his secret government theory
pulled right out from underneath
595
00:33:35,700 –> 00:33:38,700
him, Bill Cooper went out and
read that secret government
596
00:33:38,700 –> 00:33:41,740
theory to the assembled crowd at
Mufon anyway.
597
00:33:42,060 –> 00:33:45,740
And he powered on with his
career as a man committed to
598
00:33:45,740 –> 00:33:48,500
telling the truth as best he
could remember it under
599
00:33:48,500 –> 00:33:51,180
hypnosis.
In fact, not long after that
600
00:33:51,180 –> 00:33:55,220
first MUFON speech, he added yet
another layer to the Lear
601
00:33:55,220 –> 00:33:57,500
hypothesis.
In Lear’s version, a
602
00:33:57,500 –> 00:34:00,660
high-ranking Edward Air Force
Base official is quoted as
603
00:34:00,660 –> 00:34:04,420
saying the aliens have a device
that has recorded all of Earth’s
604
00:34:04,420 –> 00:34:08,639
history and can display it in
the form of a hologram and
605
00:34:08,639 –> 00:34:11,360
quote.
Bill Cooper added to this bit of
606
00:34:11,360 –> 00:34:15,440
lore with a claim that the
aliens showed majestic 12
607
00:34:15,440 –> 00:34:20,239
members a hologram of the actual
crucifixion of Christ, which
608
00:34:20,239 –> 00:34:23,679
they had filmed with a time
traveling camera called a Chrono
609
00:34:23,679 –> 00:34:26,980
Visor.
Eventually, as you might expect,
610
00:34:27,100 –> 00:34:31,380
the UFO community grew
suspicious of Bill Cooper and
611
00:34:31,380 –> 00:34:34,179
John Lear both, and that
includes Jim Spieser, the
612
00:34:34,179 –> 00:34:37,340
founder of the Paronet site
where both men first made their
613
00:34:37,340 –> 00:34:41,260
name in the Ufology field.
Spieser feared his site quote
614
00:34:41,300 –> 00:34:43,980
was becoming a home for unwed
paranoids.
615
00:34:44,060 –> 00:34:47,020
End Quote, and said he couldn’t
tell whether Cooper was engaging
616
00:34:47,020 –> 00:34:50,429
in fantasy role-playing or
something more sinister.
617
00:34:50,469 –> 00:34:52,750
And about John Lear, he said
this quote.
618
00:34:52,870 –> 00:34:55,190
Lear is known to have been a CIA
operative.
619
00:34:55,429 –> 00:34:56,590
End Quote.
And you know what?
620
00:34:56,590 –> 00:34:59,070
That’s all the quote you need.
I don’t know what else there is
621
00:34:59,070 –> 00:35:02,400
to say about a person like John
Lear in a situation like this,
622
00:35:02,400 –> 00:35:05,040
other than he’s CIA.
All you really need to know.
623
00:35:05,120 –> 00:35:08,680
There’s also Don Ecker, who was
then research director for UFO
624
00:35:08,680 –> 00:35:11,840
Magazine, the outlet that broke
the majestic 12 story.
625
00:35:11,840 –> 00:35:14,840
Initially, Ecker said Cooper
was, quote, one of the most
626
00:35:14,840 –> 00:35:18,720
repellent human beings I had
ever had the misfortune to meet
627
00:35:18,760 –> 00:35:21,040
during my entire life.
You know what?
628
00:35:21,280 –> 00:35:23,200
That’s harsh.
That is pretty harsh.
629
00:35:23,320 –> 00:35:25,840
But at the end of the day, it
didn’t really matter that the
630
00:35:25,840 –> 00:35:29,440
UFO community turned on Bill
Cooper because conveniently
631
00:35:29,440 –> 00:35:33,760
enough, by around 1989 he didn’t
even believe UFO’s were real
632
00:35:33,760 –> 00:35:36,000
anymore.
He claims he started suspecting
633
00:35:36,000 –> 00:35:40,440
flying saucers didn’t come from
space that same year when a
634
00:35:40,440 –> 00:35:43,560
scientist friend visited him at
his hotel carrying quote a
635
00:35:43,560 –> 00:35:47,560
mysterious briefcase End Quote,
And that when he opened it, a
636
00:35:47,560 –> 00:35:51,400
miniature flying saucer rose out
of it under its own power,
637
00:35:51,400 –> 00:35:54,080
hovered briefly, and then
vanished from sight.
638
00:35:54,160 –> 00:35:56,240
End Quote.
The scientist friend told him
639
00:35:56,240 –> 00:35:59,640
that the technology he was
seeing was a man made device.
640
00:36:00,040 –> 00:36:03,960
It came about as a result of
Nazi antigravity technology
641
00:36:04,080 –> 00:36:08,400
brought to the USA by the 3rd
Reich as part of Operation Paper
642
00:36:08,400 –> 00:36:09,840
Clip.
So there’s that.
643
00:36:09,960 –> 00:36:12,400
But Cooper claimed the thing
that really changed his mind
644
00:36:12,400 –> 00:36:17,160
about aliens was discovering a
1917 speech given by
645
00:36:17,160 –> 00:36:19,800
psychologist and educator John
Dewey.
646
00:36:19,840 –> 00:36:23,920
Specifically, it was the opening
line that struck Cooper as odd.
647
00:36:23,960 –> 00:36:26,320
Here goes.
Someone remarked that the best
648
00:36:26,320 –> 00:36:29,560
way to unite all the nations on
this globe would be an attack
649
00:36:29,560 –> 00:36:32,320
from some other planet.
In the face of such an alien
650
00:36:32,320 –> 00:36:35,760
enemy, people would respond with
a sense of their unity of
651
00:36:35,800 –> 00:36:38,720
interest and purpose.
So I guess that was the opening
652
00:36:38,720 –> 00:36:40,880
2 lines.
Whatever the case, when Bill
653
00:36:40,880 –> 00:36:44,360
Cooper read that, he said he
nearly fell out of his chair.
654
00:36:44,600 –> 00:36:47,560
It hit him like a sledgehammer
right between the eyes.
655
00:36:47,640 –> 00:36:51,040
And in the months and years
following this revelation, Bill
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00:36:51,040 –> 00:36:54,280
Cooper did his best to own up to
his mistake.
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00:36:54,480 –> 00:36:58,560
Here’s a quote he told an
audience at a convention some
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00:36:58,560 –> 00:37:01,800
fucking wear for many years.
I sincerely believe that an
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extraterrestrial threat existed
and that it was the most
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00:37:04,880 –> 00:37:07,560
important driving force behind
world events.
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00:37:07,640 –> 00:37:12,360
I was wrong, and for that I most
deeply and humbly apologize and
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00:37:12,360 –> 00:37:14,440
quote.
Now, what’s interesting is
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00:37:14,520 –> 00:37:17,400
whether he believed aliens were
real or not.
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There’s no denying that without
aliens and UFO’s Behold A Pale
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00:37:21,920 –> 00:37:26,360
Horse, the book that made Milton
William Cooper famous never
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00:37:26,360 –> 00:37:29,360
would have been published.
The book was published by Melody
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00:37:29,360 –> 00:37:33,320
Orion Swanson, owner of Light
Technology Publishing, which she
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00:37:33,320 –> 00:37:36,480
describes as, quote, a
metaphysical book publisher.
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00:37:36,520 –> 00:37:39,360
She heard about the book from a
friend, a spiritualist named
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00:37:39,360 –> 00:37:43,160
Janet McClure, and Janet heard
about it from an alien.
671
00:37:43,400 –> 00:37:46,200
Here’s a quote from Melody
Swanson that I’m sure will
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00:37:46,240 –> 00:37:49,160
require no explanation.
This comes from the book Pale
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00:37:49,160 –> 00:37:51,360
Horse Rider.
By the way, Janet was a founder
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00:37:51,360 –> 00:37:54,840
of the Tibetan Foundation who
primarily channeled V Wimus.
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00:37:54,960 –> 00:37:58,640
And again, I’m sure I don’t need
to tell any of you that V is an
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00:37:58,680 –> 00:38:02,440
entity who represents the
holographic Higher self aspect
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00:38:02,480 –> 00:38:05,760
of Sanat Kumara, son of Lord
Krishna and head of the
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00:38:05,760 –> 00:38:09,480
spiritual hierarchy of Shambala.
I assume you’re all mouthing
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00:38:09,480 –> 00:38:11,680
those words with me by the time
I got to the end.
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00:38:11,960 –> 00:38:14,160
Here’s another quote.
Janet told me that she had a
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00:38:14,160 –> 00:38:18,240
session with V Wimus and he was
very concerned how much human
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00:38:18,240 –> 00:38:21,160
beings were being controlled and
manipulated.
683
00:38:21,240 –> 00:38:24,480
V Wimus was aware that Bill had
written Behold A Pale Horse.
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00:38:24,900 –> 00:38:27,980
He told Janet that it wasn’t the
greatest book in the world, but
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00:38:27,980 –> 00:38:29,820
it would help people wake up to
the danger.
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00:38:30,100 –> 00:38:31,820
That’s why I decided to publish
it.
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00:38:31,860 –> 00:38:36,180
And quote worth noting at least
in the book Pale Horse Rider
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00:38:36,380 –> 00:38:39,660
Melody says she didn’t read the
book before publishing it and
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00:38:39,660 –> 00:38:41,780
she still never read the book
all these years later.
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00:38:41,860 –> 00:38:44,860
What’s ironic about Behold A
Pale Horse getting published on
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00:38:44,860 –> 00:38:48,680
the suggestion of a channeled
alien named V Oneness is that
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00:38:48,680 –> 00:38:52,960
Bill Cooper hated channellers.
Apparently there are two sides
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00:38:52,960 –> 00:38:55,600
to the alien debate, at least
there were at the time, The
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00:38:55,600 –> 00:38:59,000
Light Side and the Dark Side.
On the Light side are the
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00:38:59,000 –> 00:39:02,480
Channellers, the people who
think if you just meditate and
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00:39:02,480 –> 00:39:06,550
focus hard enough, aliens will
inevitably show up and be nice
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00:39:06,550 –> 00:39:08,150
to you.
And then there’s the dark side,
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00:39:08,150 –> 00:39:11,790
which assumes all aliens are
monsters bent on enslaving the
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00:39:11,790 –> 00:39:13,710
planet.
Bill Cooper was very much on the
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00:39:13,710 –> 00:39:16,710
dark side of the argument, but
it was apparently the suggestion
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00:39:16,750 –> 00:39:19,790
of a light side alien that made
him famous.
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00:39:19,910 –> 00:39:23,590
Cooper hated those light side
aliens so much he threatened to
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00:39:23,590 –> 00:39:26,710
sue one of them once.
The alien in question was
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00:39:26,710 –> 00:39:32,270
Georgos Saris Hatton, a 9 foot
tall quote, Space brother, End
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00:39:32,270 –> 00:39:35,510
Quote, who presented himself as
another quote.
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00:39:35,550 –> 00:39:39,950
The Commander in Chief Earth
Project transition, Pleiades
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00:39:39,950 –> 00:39:43,910
Sector Flight Command and quote.
Hatton spoke through a channel
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00:39:43,910 –> 00:39:48,790
named Doris Ecker, a 70 year old
grandmother from Tehachapi, CA
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00:39:48,870 –> 00:39:53,620
and when he did he called Cooper
a horrendous tool who needed to
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00:39:53,620 –> 00:39:56,860
realize that he does not control
the truth and Bill.
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00:39:56,860 –> 00:40:00,900
Cooper threatened to sue this
alien who was channeling his
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00:40:00,900 –> 00:40:02,820
voice through a 70 year old
woman.
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00:40:02,900 –> 00:40:07,020
And after he threatened to sue,
that alien responded by offering
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00:40:07,020 –> 00:40:10,540
to put Cooper quote under the
protections of the white hats of
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00:40:10,540 –> 00:40:14,140
the cosmos to stand forth in the
test and discernment of the
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00:40:14,140 –> 00:40:16,460
truth from Earth speakers.
End Quote.
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00:40:16,460 –> 00:40:18,780
Fucking what?
Whatever that meant, Cooper
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00:40:18,780 –> 00:40:20,900
wasn’t impressed and threatened
to take his.
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00:40:21,310 –> 00:40:24,750
Proposed lawsuit against an
alien that lived inside the head
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00:40:24,750 –> 00:40:27,870
of a 70 year old woman all the
way to the Supreme Court.
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00:40:27,910 –> 00:40:29,790
Here’s a quote.
This channeling is complete
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00:40:29,790 –> 00:40:32,630
bullshit and I’m gonna put a
stop to it in the end.
723
00:40:32,830 –> 00:40:37,020
Melody Swanson still credits
that other, less controversial
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00:40:37,020 –> 00:40:41,380
channeled alien V will miss with
all the success of Behold A Pale
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00:40:41,380 –> 00:40:42,500
Horse.
Here’s a quote.
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00:40:42,540 –> 00:40:45,060
He said Bill’s book would open
people’s eyes.
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00:40:45,100 –> 00:40:46,940
He turned out to be right about
that.
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00:40:46,980 –> 00:40:49,140
You know what?
You sure were right about that.
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00:40:49,140 –> 00:40:51,820
V will miss, even if I’m not
sure I’m pronouncing your name
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00:40:51,820 –> 00:40:53,980
correctly.
And Speaking of that book that
731
00:40:53,980 –> 00:40:58,540
opened everyone’s eyes, on the
next episode, we are going to do
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00:40:58,620 –> 00:41:02,300
a deep, deep dive into the book
itself.
733
00:41:02,650 –> 00:41:06,210
Behold A Pale Horse.
After that, I think we’ll have
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00:41:06,250 –> 00:41:09,850
an episode about Bill Cooper’s
life and career.
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00:41:09,850 –> 00:41:14,410
After Behold A Pale Horse, which
is somehow Wilder than his book.
736
00:41:14,410 –> 00:41:17,770
That included one entire chapter
that was just the Protocols of
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00:41:17,770 –> 00:41:20,530
the Elders of Zion.
It somehow gets crazier after
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00:41:20,530 –> 00:41:24,250
that, but in between this and
that, we’re going to talk about
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00:41:24,250 –> 00:41:27,170
the book Behold A Pale Horse.
That’ll be the next episode.
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00:41:27,250 –> 00:41:30,110
Hey, read it ahead of time if
you want.
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00:41:30,390 –> 00:41:34,190
It’s a frustrating book.
About 70 pages of it are Bill
742
00:41:34,190 –> 00:41:38,670
Cooper’s writing, and the rest
is just him including documents
743
00:41:38,670 –> 00:41:42,870
in their entirety, massive
documents, sometimes 5060 page
744
00:41:43,030 –> 00:41:47,510
documents that he says confirm
the points he’s making in the
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00:41:47,510 –> 00:41:49,750
book.
So yeah, next episode, we’re
746
00:41:49,750 –> 00:41:53,670
going to dig into that book and
see if those points still hold
747
00:41:53,670 –> 00:41:58,030
up all these years later, see if
they’re still as influential on
748
00:41:58,150 –> 00:42:02,270
my impressionable young mind as
they were on my even more
749
00:42:02,270 –> 00:42:04,870
impressionable young mind when I
was in my 20s.
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00:42:04,950 –> 00:42:07,670
Until then, I think I’m going to
get out of here.
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00:42:07,790 –> 00:42:10,710
Follow me on Twitter and
Instagram at Adam Todd Brown,
752
00:42:10,710 –> 00:42:13,350
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Instagram at Conspira Pops.
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00:42:13,470 –> 00:42:15,790
And that’s all.
This is a bonus episode.
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00:42:15,790 –> 00:42:17,030
You don’t have to do anything
else.
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00:42:17,030 –> 00:42:18,590
You’re doing everything I need
you to do.
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00:42:18,590 –> 00:42:21,230
I love you so much.
All right, let’s get out of
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00:42:21,230 –> 00:42:22,630
here.
Adam, Say goodbye.
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Goodbye, everybody.
We love you.