Conspiracy! The Show MKUltra

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Welcome to conspiracy the show
with your host, added Todd Brown

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and Connor mcspadden.
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy to show.
I’m Adam, Todd Brown.

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I’m Connor mix been.
My mouth is still on fire.

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You’re going to hear me say that
at the beginning of every

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episode, this month is that
after Adam took like seven

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one-hitter rips.
So I am, I’m smoking.

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The Sleepy weed during the day
because it has more pain-killing

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properties.
And I took a bunch of ibuprofen

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and we are powering through You
know, it’s funny is a is one of

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the best life hacks.
A lot of every life hack I’ve

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ever heard is dumb except for to
one of them.

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If you’re what about forgetting
something in the morning, put it

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in your shoes.
Great life Act is great.

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You’re not leaving those shoes.
The other one Ramsey with thou,

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who I told you about the
toothache last episode told me.

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If you’re too high, take some
ibuprofen.

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So a yep.
Oh, I didn’t know that it does.

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Yeah, so if you if if your guy
like me I don’t smoke weed often

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but I’ll do that.
Gateway show where you get have

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to get high and do a set just
because it’s such a wonderful

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photo.
Anderson is a buddy of mine.

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I like him.
I like doing it.

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Always get too high, take a
couple ibuprofen and then I’m

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back down to earth.
So, welcome back to mind control

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month week number two.
Yeah, we’re talking about the

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mind control program.
The Toyota thought of not

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trusting the government we’re
talking about MKUltra today who

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the fucking man?
This, this is like, the the

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Rolling Stones of The Beatles of
Mike.

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This is just that this is a big
one.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

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We talked, I’m surprised we
haven’t done an episode about

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this yet.
It’s just, it’s just been It’s

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been so many Cameo appearance.
It’s finally got a slow movie.

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Yeah, it’s one of those things
where we talked about it a lot

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and there’s a lot of information
about it but there’s also not a

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lot of information about it.
Yeah.

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And we’ll get to why that is
later.

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But it’s like one of these
things where it’s like you can

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look at when you’re looking at
an exoplanet, you have to look

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at how its gravity affects the
Sun and you got to look at, you

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got to dissect the light that
comes like it.

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When it passes in front of that,
that sun, it orbits around.

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You got to dissect the light and
see.

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See what how it affects those
properties and tease out

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information from that data.
It’s like you almost see learn

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more about it from just like, oh
what’s, what was going on in the

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jungles of Cuba in the 70s?
You kind of you kind of get

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information about it, third hand
and through its Impressions a

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little other things.
Yeah.

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And so yeah we’re going to just
go through the history of

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MKUltra and some of the
experiments and then next week

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we’re going to do an episode
about wormwood which is a

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Mallory about, I think the
craziest moment in.

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Well, I don’t know, that’s the
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You hit like that one, seems
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The stuff depicted in the
wormwood documentary is crazy.

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Yeah.
But then you hear about some of

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the other stuff in here and
you’re like I had watched a

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documentary about that.
Yeah, I mean, but wormwood is

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the one that there’s a lot of
information of stuff to make

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herbal documentary Bandits, it’s
creepy but cells.

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MKUltra, let’s go through it.
Wormwood also the name of like

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every shitty shop teacher in
high school.

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Yeah.
It’s so I still need kind of

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wood, Nate.
Like I had him as Greenwood.

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That just like, yeah, sucks.
You know, is wormwood does that

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pertain to Absinthe in some way?
Oh, I think so.

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Yeah.
Feel like wormwood is where the

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active ingredient in old-timey?
Absinthe comes from old-time.

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After Todd Brad’s old-timey ABS,
but like the cool absent that

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makes you hallucinate and do
knife tricks.

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Not the oh shit.
You can buy and liquor stores.

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Yeah, that has another vodka
with like, you know, fucking

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Anti-freeze.
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And I think wormwood relay, I
like I’ve watched this

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documentary before and I have to
watch it again so we can do this

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episode, but I still never
really caught why they call.

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It were me, would ya?
I’m sure they mention it but I

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just didn’t pay attention.
I don’t think I’ve gotten there

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either.
But yeah.

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First we’re going to talk about
MKUltra which spawns the events

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that become the documentary
wormwood, it’s the code name

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given to a program of
experiments conducted on human

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subjects mostly illegal and
carried out by the CIA.

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CIA MK means it was sponsored by
the cia’s technical services

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staff, Ultra was chosen as the
second word because it had been

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previously used to designate the
most secret classification of

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WWII intelligence.
Just the coolest name to cool

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name.
Definitely the kind of thing you

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want to keep secret.
So all of that tracks it’s kind

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of its kind of like Infowars
where it’s the coolest fucking

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name for anything.
It really is but it’s just the

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most evil evil actual thing.
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Yeah, it was headed by Sidney.
Gottlieb, who will come up a lot

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more in the wormwood episode and
started on orders of CIA

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director?
Allen Dulles, on April 13th 1953

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depending on who you believe the
intent was either to develop

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mind control techniques, or just
so we could become better at

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torture and interrogation.
Yeah there are some who assert

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that the goal was to create a
Manchurian Candidate.

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Shout out to last episode.
I don’t know that just became

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the last.
Sewed, reference?

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Yeah, Dinger their episode.
The fuckin call back hawk.

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We don’t argue enough for me to
use it as intensity Eagle, which

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is it’s, yeah, it’s preferred.
Very efficient method.

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It’s when an argument breaks
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Intensity eagle flies through
room but it’s 10:00 in the

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morning.
What the fuck are we going to

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argue about man that everybody
on the same page about most

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things?
Diet soda is probably the most

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heated debate that’s ever
happened.

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So yeah, that’s the Callback
Hawk.

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So MKUltra was Organized through
the scientific Intelligence

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Division of the CIA and
coordinated with the Special

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Operations, Division of the US.
Army’s chemical Corps, which

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that’s a thing.
That’s a, that’s a cool as that.

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It’s like a Dead.
Kennedys song.

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Yeah.
Coke, or they I looked it up.

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They’re the ones who are just
what it sounds like defending us

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from chemical attacks, but also
nuclear attacks.

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Yeah.
Because I suppose, that’s

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radiation is a chemical of
sorts.

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No, it’s not.
It’s not even that science.

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Doesn’t add up.
Man, this is the world’s most

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trusted podcast.
Is that isn’t that are misused?

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And then we have that in Latin
underneath the Iron Giant, I

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need to figure that out in Latin
and put that.

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That’s a good idea.
Hey, I’m gonna change that shit,

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the Latin?
Yeah, that would be, that would

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be fun.
Yeah, that veto.

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All right.
Yeah, well fuck it.

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That’ll be a t-shirt.
So the program’s used various

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means to manipulate subjects
mental state.

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Sometimes in often unwittingly
the methods included

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surreptitious administration of
drugs or other.

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Chuckles hypnosis sensory,
deprivation isolation verbal,

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abuse and other forms of
psychological torture.

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Just everything you can do to
break somebody down.

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Yeah, everything, you’ll
experience, if you join a cult

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become a comic, yeah, join a
cult, any sensory deprivation,

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when you start hanging out with
Joe Rogan?

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Yeah, move to Los Angeles.
Yeah, any of those things.

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Like we said it began in the
early 50s.

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Officially sanctioned inviting
people to like your fan page

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that I think I think that could
break somebody down quicker than

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LSD and fucking, you know
whippings.

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Yeah.
Getting those invites also know.

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Yeah.
And you just like, I like when I

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get invites to shows in New
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Oh yeah.
That’s fine.

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Yeah.
You moved be mindful of who

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you’re inviting.
There’s a lot or just like you

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do somehow gets your number and
text you a horribly.

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Photoshopped flyer for like
Urban singles event at a bar

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that’s 75 miles away from you
always fun?

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Yeah, that’s welcome to Comedy
everybody.

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So it began in the early 50s.
Officially sanctioned in 53

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reduced.
Scope in 1964 more.

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So in 1967 then finally halted
in 73 allegedly like it was it

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was halted basically that’s when
Watergate was at its height.

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Yeah.
And it wasn’t so much halted.

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It was just everyone in the
government doing shady shit all

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at one time was like shred
everything.

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Yeah, destroy it.
Everyone was like people are big

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attention now.
Chill the fuck it, mom’s coming

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over, clean up the apartment,
put away the bomb.

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You know.
Yeah that kind of was the

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country in the 70s.
Oh yeah.

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Yeah once Watergate hit like
cointelpro came out MKUltra.

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Came out.
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We’re like goddamn we need to be
protected from the government.

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Yeah.
And now all these years later

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we’re like I was just like yeah
there’s another water gates to

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know, I would never happen.
So the scope of this program is

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so fucking huge, it included,
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As well as hospitals prisons and
pharmaceutical companies.

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This is a quote from a US
Supreme Court case involving

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MKUltra.
The program was quote concerned

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with the research and
development of chemical

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biological and radiological,
materials capable of employment

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in clandestine operations, to
control human behavior.

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The program consisted of some
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agency contracted out to various
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similar institutions, at least
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researchers participated because
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indirectly, many of the
participating individuals were

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unaware that they were dealing
with the CIA.

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Yeah, they kind of just like,
it’s almost like money

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laundering, but they’re just
like, oh, it’s just good break

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it down into tiny little pieces,
you can’t.

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Yeah, it all up, they set up a
bunch of front companies.

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Basically And approached all of
these different universities

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saying.
Hey we just I guess kind of want

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to use your resources to do this
testing.

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We just don’t have scientists or
Labs.

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We just have the desire to know
what happens if you lock someone

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in a completely black box for 12
hours and then spit on them.

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Yeah.
Like the size of this thing is

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so and this is one of the things
I always point to when people

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like the most, one of the most
common things people.

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I say to refute a conspiracy
theory is 0.

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So all these people would have
to keep this secret for this

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long.
Yeah.

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This shit went on from 53 to 73
at the minimum without anyone

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fucking knowing.
Yeah.

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And it wasn’t like it was
happening at one place.

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It was happening all around the
country and as we’ll find out

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all around the world.
So decentralized.

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Yeah, and it’s just like if you
it’s like the seeing the whole

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elephant thing we’re just like
You see a little teeny piece of

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it.
You’re like why are we why are

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we testing this guy’s blood?
I don’t know.

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You came in from Georgia and the
people in Georgia like yeah why

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are we giving this guy these
pills and doing a sleep study

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where he’s got to be alone of
this black bot and then you

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know, they’re just like they
just piece it out, so you can’t

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tell what’s going on, really?
Yeah, yeah, they did a really

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great job of spreading it out,
but it was, it’s just blows my

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mind how vast it was and how
nothing ever got out about it.

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So it’s, it’s a great thing to
point to.

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And also, I mean, I think if
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do see and you are one of the
guys actually has to pull the

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trigger on some of the fucked up
shit you’re like well I’m not

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I’m not fucking with these guys.
Yeah like yeah and it’s like

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there are still people I feel
like there are still people who

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would hear about this and even
with all the documentation

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that’s available would just kind
of be like am.

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Sure it was nothing though.
Yeah.

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Yeah like this.
Well, and like the thing it’s

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one of these things like they
were talking about the Trap

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stuff last episode.
It’s like it’s so outrageous.

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It sounds like it has to be
fake.

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Like Sitting on prisoners and
prostitutes and homeless people

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is an anime plotline.
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That is that is something that
happens in Full Metal Alchemist.

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Like that is not that happened
in America in the 20th century.

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Like what?
Yeah, very recently.

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Yeah.
My well, my mom was alive.

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Yeah.
Your parents might have been

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part of this.
Sure.

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Yeah, your parents took acid in
the 60s.

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It might have been a government
program.

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It’s on my mom.
She’s a bluebird.

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She tries to choke me, so I
could have been, maybe that’s

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what those flute lessons really
were.

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This is a, we won’t read all of
these, but there are some crazy

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things on this list.
This is from a 1955 document.

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One of the few documents about
MKUltra that eventually got out.

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And we’ll talk about how that
happened in a bit.

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Yeah, it’s like the, like, the
fucking Aztec libraries, like,

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we have like two books.
Yeah.

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And this is a list of
mind-altering substances that

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were studied under the MKUltra
program substances, which will

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promote illogical thinking, and
Of Nest to the point where the

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recipient would be discredited
in public.

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Okay.
The Tom Goss serum substances,

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which increase the efficiency of
mentation and perception

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materials which cause the victim
to age faster or slower in

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maturity materials which will
promote the intoxicating effect

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of alcohol.
So it seems like the list is

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losing steam at that point.
Yeah, okay.

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You’re trying to get people
drunk or take his old.

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Laughs, like whatever.
And now then Here Comes This

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materials, which will produce
the signs and symptoms of

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recognized diseases in a
reversible way.

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So they may be used for
malingering, Etc.

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So, that’s basically, they’re
looking for a pill.

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They can slip you wear a week
later.

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They’ll go.
Hmm.

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You have AIDS.
Yeah.

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And then it turns out.
I do it.

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Turns out you don’t like your
friend from high school.

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Exactly.
Exactly.

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Yeah, callback Eagle.
Oh, yeah, they Yeah, yeah I was

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like wait we weren’t arguing.
I would your like leave my

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friends out of this.
I think you brought her up

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materials which will cause
temporary permanent brain damage

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and loss of memory temporary or
permanent brain damage,

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substances, which will enhance
the ability of individuals to

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withstand privation torture and
coercion during interrogation

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and so-called brainwashing.
So the tournament like a

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firewall against somebody else
doing this.

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Yeah, yeah.
That was a big part of this

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program was not only to find out
if If we could get our soldiers

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and people to do crazy things
under drugs.

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Yeah.
Could the enemy get our people

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to do things?
Also got to feed him some

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psychological Wheaties.
In case ya, fucking the Soviets,

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get a hold of him, material,
materials and physical methods,

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which will produce amnesia, for
events, preceding, and during

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their use yikes.
Yep.

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Physical methods of putting it
in Black flashlight.

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But yeah, pretty much physical
methods of producing shock and

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confusion over.
Ended periods of time and

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capable of surreptitious use
substances, which produce

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physical disablement such as
paralysis of the legs acute

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anemia Etc.
Substances, which will produce a

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chemical that can cause
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Here comes another crazy one
substances.

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Which alter personality
structure in such a way, the

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tendency of the recipient to
become dependent upon another

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person.
Is enhanced who some are school?

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Friends took that?
Gonna tell ya and in all

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seriousness that is horrifying.
Yeah, it’s terrifying.

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Yeah, just turn maybe they did
just see like it turns you in a

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fucking mother duck, you know
where they’re just like a

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material which will cause mental
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The individual under its
influence, will find it

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difficult to maintain a
fabrication under questioning so

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truth serum.
Yeah.

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Substances, which will lower the
ambition, and general working

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efficiency of men when
administered in undetectable

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amounts, it’s called porn.
Yeah, it’s called porn or

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pesticides.
Probably.

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Yeah.
Like order weed.

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Let’s look into what we’re
spraying in Guatemala.

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Where we write that one off
substances.

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Which promote, weakness, or
disorder, Distortion of the

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eyesight or hearing faculties
preferably without permanent

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effects because you don’t want
to be cruel.

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No.
You want to be ethical and your

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dosing, your population with
drugs they don’t know about and

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I mean it’s not like to find a
temporary drug for this.

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You might cause some permanent
damage on some homeless

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prostitutes but yeah.
A knockout pill, which can be

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surreptitiously administered and
drinks food cigarettes, as an

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aerosol etcetera, which will be
safe to use provide a maximum of

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Amnesia and be suitable for use
by agent Types on an ad hoc

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basis.
So, Cosby shit.

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Yeah, you want Quaaludes?
I want to, you know, I want to

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list to read strip that like
fucking roofies you for a week,

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a material, which can be.
So this is last 10 material

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which can be Surreptitiously
administered by the above roots

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and which in very small amounts
will make it impossible for a

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person to perform physical
activity.

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AKA that good good.
Right?

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Right Indica.
So this isn’t even a conspiracy

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theory.
No.

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Like this is just a thing that
happened just was their shopping

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list for yeah, technology.
This is what they’re looking for

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and this was just to drive home
how much of a concern Spira see

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Theory MKUltra is not.
It’s a matter of fact this was

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the conclusion of that Supreme
Court case that we mentioned

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earlier between 1953 and 1966.
The Central Intelligence Agency

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financed a wide-ranging project
codenamed MKUltra concerned with

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the research and development of
chemical biological and

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radiological materials capable
of employment and clandestine

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operations to control human
behavior.

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And the reason that case
happened was so they could set a

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precedent.
So other people involved in this

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could sue the government for
things that happen during

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MKUltra.
Yeah.

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So this unlike a lot of our
episodes, this isn’t even one

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where we have to wonder.
Is this real?

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Yes.
Is like, yeah, the Supreme

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Court.
Yeah, this is weighed in and

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said, yeah, there’s a heaven.
We gotta, you know.

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Yeah, this is like I said, the
example, I always point to when

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people are so quick to dismiss
that anything this crazy could

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happen without someone finding
out.

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People probably found out and
they, as we learn in the

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wormwood, documentary fell out
windows.

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I did some air quotes around
fell.

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Yeah, it’s crazy.
Fucking story.

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And again, I mean, this might
sound stupid on the conspiracy

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podcast, but I don’t think I’m a
like, the, the strong enough guy

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to be like, I’m just like, you
know, I’m not, I got to go tell

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the truth.
I would just be like, hey, I

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like my house and I like, yeah,
tell these jokes and I could,

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yeah, it’s like I would just, I
don’t know.

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If I don’t know if I’d be the
guy to be like, okay, I gotta

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send this to Assange.
I got to, you know, go to it.

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Yeah, we had 10 more server.
Whatever tend to write these

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people off as crazy but it takes
a lot of courage to.

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Oh yeah, come out.
And especially if you’re someone

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like we’ll do it.
We’re going to do an episode

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about HAARP coming up soon and
you know, there’s this guy who

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worked on harp for all these
years and then just finally one

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day was like, oh I get what’s
happening?

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Yeah.
And like started telling people

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and like, even if that guy dies,
if that guy, It’s murdered at

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some point, like most of the
country would just be like, it

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was probably a coincidence.
Yeah, no chance.

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And it’s like that level of
exposure and criticism will

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break you down like maybe once
or twice a month from podcasting

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or whatever.
It is, somebody calls me an

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asshole on Twitter and I’m like,
I’m always, I’m just like kind

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of, but it’s kind of upset and
like I don’t think they

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understand me and I feel bad
like I just dismiss communicated

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and it stresses me out a little
bit, you know?

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And then I think like what if
that happens times 1,000 Every

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day.
Like, ya know, these people.

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Yeah.
That that same thing happens

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with me with comments like on
patreon.

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Like I sometimes get to a point
where I just can’t read them.

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Yeah.
And they’re mostly nice, but

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it’ll be like a sauna is just
like, I want to say so much to

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you right now and I.
Yeah, and it should recommend

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pay attention.
It’s under your skin.

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And it’s like if I if I if I
just compiled all those and just

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read them to me like back to
back and then try to have a

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conversation with me about
something.

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That’s very important to me, if
you’d like, I’d probably a

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little crazy.
Yeah.

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For sure.
So, let’s talk about some of the

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experiments that happened under
MKUltra.

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Let’s talk about the early LSD
experiments LSD, was the main

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drug for most of the programs
that happened under MKUltra.

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Yeah, it was really like, like,
what George Washington Carver

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did for peanuts, they did LSD.
They’re just like, all right,

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what if we make them into a
butter or an oil era?

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Yeah, they were really
interested in this shit.

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Oh yeah, their first aim was to
determine if Soviet spies As

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could be made to defect against
their will and like we mentioned

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earlier, if the Soviets could do
the same thing to our spies and

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at first they were just
administering LSD to mental.

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Patients, prisoners drug,
addicts and prostitutes?

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Yeah, and I say at first, as if
that’s the part where it was

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ethical and then it goes off the
rails, like it was bad from the

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beginning.
Like that’s all bad because they

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were administering it in most
cases without people knowing

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yeah.
Like that’s It would be one

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thing if this happened.
And we were just like, holy

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shit.
That many Americans went along

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with this shit and agreed to be
involved in these but no, it was

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Keith.
A lot of people.

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Just thought they just
organically went crazy.

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Yeah, it was just it was
literally horrifying.

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It was human experiments.
Yeah.

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It’s not see shit.
If you took LSD and didn’t know

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that, you took it like and just
how you reaction like, well how

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fucking awful would that be?
Yeah.

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Look having a nightmare while
you were awake.

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Yeah.
And one of the, this is a quote

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from one of the documents that
was uncovered one.

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CIA agent, referred to the
people, they were doing, testing

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on as quote people who could not
fight back.

440
00:22:07,500 –> 00:22:11,100
They also administered LSD to
CIA employees military

441
00:22:11,100 –> 00:22:15,000
personnel, doctors other
government, agents and members

442
00:22:15,000 –> 00:22:18,100
of the general public so we
could have just said everybody.

443
00:22:18,200 –> 00:22:20,300
Yeah, that’s that’s just about
everybody.

444
00:22:20,300 –> 00:22:23,900
Everybody got LSD from the CIA.
Yeah, this was often done with

445
00:22:24,200 –> 00:22:27,400
Informed consent of the subjects
of violation of the Nuremberg

446
00:22:27,400 –> 00:22:30,100
code, which we agreed to follow
after World War 2.

447
00:22:30,400 –> 00:22:32,400
Hmm.
So we basically went from that

448
00:22:32,400 –> 00:22:37,000
to, like, what, what, what is
what is that?

449
00:22:37,000 –> 00:22:38,900
So fucking nine years later?
Yeah.

450
00:22:38,900 –> 00:22:41,600
Just like ah, it’s been long
enough.

451
00:22:41,700 –> 00:22:45,900
Mmm, you can have a cheat day,
you know?

452
00:22:46,700 –> 00:22:49,700
And the crazy thing is the
patients who did know about it?

453
00:22:49,700 –> 00:22:53,300
Who went along with it willingly
ended up getting more extreme?

454
00:22:54,000 –> 00:22:55,300
It’s done on them.
Yeah.

455
00:22:55,400 –> 00:23:00,500
In one instance, seven willing
subjects in, Kentucky were all

456
00:23:00,500 –> 00:23:05,100
given LSD for seventy seven
consecutive days.

457
00:23:05,200 –> 00:23:06,300
God, that sounds like a
nightmare.

458
00:23:06,700 –> 00:23:10,100
I I even take a day off from
smoking weed, every once in a

459
00:23:10,108 –> 00:23:11,100
while.
Oh yeah.

460
00:23:11,400 –> 00:23:17,400
Like 77 days in a row, is a lot
for like, if you jog 77 days in

461
00:23:17,400 –> 00:23:20,000
a row, you’re probably die.
Yeah, man.

462
00:23:20,600 –> 00:23:24,600
I don’t want to just have like
sleeping and it even Being.

463
00:23:24,600 –> 00:23:26,200
Yeah.
Like I want to do anything that

464
00:23:26,200 –> 00:23:29,300
alters my conscience that much
faster 77 days in a row.

465
00:23:29,300 –> 00:23:33,600
Yeah, it’s fucking nuts.
I don’t want to drink a thermos

466
00:23:33,600 –> 00:23:39,000
of iced coffee for 77 days, so
those were the early experiments

467
00:23:39,000 –> 00:23:41,200
than Sidney.
Gottlieb, gets involved and

468
00:23:41,200 –> 00:23:43,400
leave.
Yeah, Sidney Gottlieb.

469
00:23:44,700 –> 00:23:46,800
Oh, I get what you’re doing.
There is nothing.

470
00:23:50,600 –> 00:23:54,600
He was the head chemist on
MKUltra and he Felt that using

471
00:23:54,600 –> 00:23:57,600
LSD just for interrogations was
a little too limited.

472
00:23:57,700 –> 00:24:00,800
Maybe you could use it on covert
operations also.

473
00:24:00,900 –> 00:24:03,300
Yeah.
So in order to test this, he

474
00:24:03,300 –> 00:24:07,200
launched a bunch of experiments
that mostly revolved around him.

475
00:24:07,200 –> 00:24:10,800
Just giving people LSD in public
settings without their

476
00:24:10,800 –> 00:24:12,600
knowledge.
Hello, would you like a

477
00:24:12,600 –> 00:24:15,000
complimentary bag of nothing to
see here?

478
00:24:15,100 –> 00:24:17,900
Heavily buttered weirdly spicy
popcorn.

479
00:24:18,500 –> 00:24:21,100
You know, just like what is how
is he doing this?

480
00:24:21,100 –> 00:24:24,300
Was he is there just a dude with
a crew cut hair cut and Broad

481
00:24:24,300 –> 00:24:26,200
shoulders, it suddenly gets a
job at an ice cream.

482
00:24:26,200 –> 00:24:29,300
Parlor is just like here you go
a little girl like, you know.

483
00:24:29,500 –> 00:24:32,600
Yeah.
It’s like they say in one of the

484
00:24:32,600 –> 00:24:36,100
Articles we read for this, that
it basically at one point, just

485
00:24:36,100 –> 00:24:39,600
became an operational Hazard of
working in the CIA for a few

486
00:24:39,600 –> 00:24:42,700
years that you might just end up
getting dosed with LSD at some

487
00:24:42,700 –> 00:24:44,200
point.
Yeah, like, you’ll be in and I’m

488
00:24:44,200 –> 00:24:45,700
making my own.
I’m bringing my own coffee from

489
00:24:45,700 –> 00:24:48,600
home, you know.
And it’s like and that’s how one

490
00:24:48,600 –> 00:24:51,500
of them had they.
There’s a story about a CIA

491
00:24:51,500 –> 00:24:54,900
operative, not even an agent
just like A dude who was there

492
00:24:54,900 –> 00:24:57,800
to help and comes to CIA
headquarters in.

493
00:24:57,800 –> 00:25:02,500
They spiked his coffee with LSD,
and he ends up running naked out

494
00:25:02,500 –> 00:25:05,400
the building and yelling at the
cars because there’s monsters in

495
00:25:05,400 –> 00:25:06,100
them.
Yeah.

496
00:25:06,200 –> 00:25:11,300
Like this was the most unethical
shit imaginable and it’s not

497
00:25:11,300 –> 00:25:15,700
like I feel like because it
didn’t involve cutting people

498
00:25:15,700 –> 00:25:18,200
up.
There’s some sense that it maybe

499
00:25:18,200 –> 00:25:21,800
wasn’t as bad, but yeah, died
from this, well I mean I’d

500
00:25:21,800 –> 00:25:25,900
fucking with your brain is one
of the I mean It’s you can kind

501
00:25:25,900 –> 00:25:30,000
of fix a backer of foot like it
if you’re if you’re fucking with

502
00:25:30,008 –> 00:25:31,400
someone’s body it’s like I don’t
know.

503
00:25:31,400 –> 00:25:33,200
But like that’s a greater
present.

504
00:25:33,200 –> 00:25:35,100
I have your mind would like a
revered.

505
00:25:35,100 –> 00:25:36,800
Will be altered.
Yeah.

506
00:25:36,800 –> 00:25:40,600
And a revocable irrevocably a
revocable.

507
00:25:40,600 –> 00:25:44,800
Yeah, there it is.
Rev rev Kaboom revocable, or

508
00:25:46,800 –> 00:25:48,300
irrevocable e.
There we go.

509
00:25:48,700 –> 00:25:49,900
Yeah, we got it.
We got it.

510
00:25:49,900 –> 00:25:53,000
Well, if it will make that a
sound bite on the on the board,

511
00:25:53,200 –> 00:25:54,900
so Sydney guy.
At least he’s going to come up a

512
00:25:54,900 –> 00:26:00,200
lot in the wormwood documentary
because that involves the case

513
00:26:00,300 –> 00:26:04,400
of a man named dr.
Frank Olson, who is definitely

514
00:26:04,400 –> 00:26:05,900
worth.
I mean, there’s a six-part

515
00:26:05,900 –> 00:26:09,700
documentary about his case.
So obviously, there’s a lot of

516
00:26:09,700 –> 00:26:13,700
details to get into, but the
short story is Sidney Gottlieb.

517
00:26:13,700 –> 00:26:20,500
At one point doses, Frank Olson
with LSD, and it sends this guy

518
00:26:20,500 –> 00:26:27,200
into a depression that ends with
Allegedly jumping out a hotel

519
00:26:27,200 –> 00:26:30,800
window to his death.
Yeah, but whether that was a

520
00:26:30,800 –> 00:26:35,300
suicide or not is I guess, open
for debate but it’s not really

521
00:26:35,300 –> 00:26:37,200
open for debate.
He did not fucking commit

522
00:26:37,200 –> 00:26:39,200
suicide.
He got goddamn murdered.

523
00:26:39,300 –> 00:26:42,400
Yeah, I mean, at least they
picked like oh your career,

524
00:26:42,400 –> 00:26:44,400
you’ve tripping on acid you’ll
jump out of a window.

525
00:26:44,400 –> 00:26:47,400
They picked a an appropriate
suicide for him, you know?

526
00:26:47,400 –> 00:26:49,800
Yeah, yeah, that was a good
sometimes.

527
00:26:50,000 –> 00:26:52,100
Sometimes with these fake
suicides if you like they just

528
00:26:52,100 –> 00:26:54,300
don’t match the person.
Right.

529
00:26:54,300 –> 00:26:57,400
Yeah, you know, I like we did
that episode about crazy

530
00:26:57,400 –> 00:27:00,700
suicides and there was the
Oklahoma City guy.

531
00:27:01,000 –> 00:27:03,600
Who remember he liked me, just
went onto a fucking in the

532
00:27:03,600 –> 00:27:05,800
world.
It is wrists and basically

533
00:27:05,800 –> 00:27:10,000
stabbed himself in his car and
then traversed, a mile of rough

534
00:27:10,000 –> 00:27:13,700
terrain to shoot himself in the
woods with a gun that was found

535
00:27:13,700 –> 00:27:16,300
50 feet away.
But not until the FBI showed up

536
00:27:16,300 –> 00:27:20,100
in a helicopter.
That was there’s so much, but

537
00:27:20,100 –> 00:27:23,700
yeah, we’re The Crazy Ones for
thinking, maybe the government

538
00:27:23,700 –> 00:27:25,000
does.
Of this shit sometimes.

539
00:27:25,000 –> 00:27:27,400
Yeah, that one was just a very
sloppy word.

540
00:27:27,600 –> 00:27:30,400
Yeah, two guys with a very
different vision for the band,

541
00:27:30,400 –> 00:27:31,900
what I was going like, he’s a
stabber.

542
00:27:31,900 –> 00:27:34,300
All right, he’s a stabbing type.
These guys, a gunshot time and

543
00:27:34,300 –> 00:27:36,100
he like, oh, you shot it.
Well, fucking throw the guy.

544
00:27:36,100 –> 00:27:39,200
Let’s get out, you know.
Yeah, I kept tripping on acid.

545
00:27:39,200 –> 00:27:42,300
I can’t do this right now.
I kind of feel like whoever

546
00:27:42,700 –> 00:27:47,000
pulled off the first thing
assumed that they had killed him

547
00:27:47,400 –> 00:27:53,600
and somehow word got out that.
No, he’s saying he’s we gotta

548
00:27:53,600 –> 00:27:54,900
move.
This guy’s fight.

549
00:27:55,000 –> 00:27:57,800
There was a blood trail going
from that car to the woods.

550
00:27:59,000 –> 00:28:01,800
Okay.
Does he have a gun?

551
00:28:01,800 –> 00:28:02,500
No.
All right.

552
00:28:02,500 –> 00:28:04,900
We’ll go to the gun store to
falsify some records.

553
00:28:06,600 –> 00:28:10,000
So let’s talk about up a big
magnet on the security tape, so

554
00:28:10,000 –> 00:28:13,600
it fucking erases, all of them.
Let’s talk about operation,

555
00:28:13,600 –> 00:28:16,700
midnight climax.
This is the most CIA fucking

556
00:28:16,700 –> 00:28:18,700
thing, this is ever has a
Leisure Suit.

557
00:28:18,700 –> 00:28:22,400
Larry, good midnight climax.
Shut up.

558
00:28:22,400 –> 00:28:25,600
You fucking Night, Ranger song.
Yeah, if that sounds like, porn

559
00:28:25,600 –> 00:28:27,200
shit.
It’s because it’s important

560
00:28:27,200 –> 00:28:29,600
shit.
Mmm-hmm basically, the sella

561
00:28:29,600 –> 00:28:33,700
Madam, basically, the CIA, this
is another Sidney Gottlieb

562
00:28:33,700 –> 00:28:38,000
joint.
Basically, the CIA, they had all

563
00:28:38,000 –> 00:28:40,800
these safe houses around San
Francisco, which is always such

564
00:28:40,800 –> 00:28:43,300
a thrilling thought to me.
Because, you know, that’s the

565
00:28:43,300 –> 00:28:47,500
case in like every moderately
decent sized town.

566
00:28:47,500 –> 00:28:49,500
Oh yeah.
There’s probably a CIA safe

567
00:28:49,500 –> 00:28:52,900
house and I love that.
We’re probably at most a mile

568
00:28:52,900 –> 00:28:53,800
away for one.
Yeah.

569
00:28:53,900 –> 00:28:55,900
It’s probably a CIA safe
apartment.

570
00:28:55,900 –> 00:28:58,400
There’s probably CIA safe house
underneath us.

571
00:28:58,400 –> 00:29:00,000
Yeah.
Like there’s probably one in the

572
00:29:00,000 –> 00:29:02,700
sewers.
Yeah there are my Grundy is a

573
00:29:02,700 –> 00:29:05,100
fucking you know there are all
those crazy tunnels under

574
00:29:05,100 –> 00:29:08,100
downtown LA and I don’t know
what’s going on down there.

575
00:29:09,100 –> 00:29:12,700
So the operation midnight
climax, they have all these safe

576
00:29:12,700 –> 00:29:16,800
houses around San Francisco, and
they set up brothels in them.

577
00:29:16,800 –> 00:29:21,000
Hmm.
And these brothels each room has

578
00:29:21,100 –> 00:29:25,600
a one-way mirror and their base.
Actually attracting people to

579
00:29:25,600 –> 00:29:28,800
these brothels because they’re
looking for test subjects who

580
00:29:28,800 –> 00:29:31,300
will be too embarrassed to talk
about what happened to them?

581
00:29:31,300 –> 00:29:34,300
Yeah.
Which not a bad strategy.

582
00:29:34,400 –> 00:29:36,300
No.
And I don’t know, I mean, yeah,

583
00:29:36,300 –> 00:29:39,100
you’re not going to.
Oh honey, I had the craziest

584
00:29:39,100 –> 00:29:41,900
day.
You know, you won’t believe what

585
00:29:41,900 –> 00:29:45,300
happened when I fuck this
prostitute after work her pussy.

586
00:29:45,600 –> 00:29:52,300
Turns out Cthulhu who’da thunk.
So the the idea there.

587
00:29:52,300 –> 00:29:54,000
Yeah.
Was to round up subjects who Be

588
00:29:54,000 –> 00:29:57,300
too embarrassed.
They dosed, the men who came to

589
00:29:57,300 –> 00:30:01,900
this brothel with LSD and then
just use the one-way mirrors to

590
00:30:01,900 –> 00:30:04,900
film and document everything
that was happening.

591
00:30:05,300 –> 00:30:09,300
In some cases, the subjects were
interrogated after under bright

592
00:30:09,300 –> 00:30:13,200
lights and told their trips
would be extended if they didn’t

593
00:30:13,200 –> 00:30:16,200
give up all of their secrets.
Oh my God.

594
00:30:16,200 –> 00:30:21,100
And this included, CIA employees
US, military personnel, agents,

595
00:30:21,100 –> 00:30:23,800
suspect and agents suspected of
working for the other side.

596
00:30:24,000 –> 00:30:27,300
I’d in the Cold War.
How are they advertising these

597
00:30:27,300 –> 00:30:29,000
brothels?
Yeah, man.

598
00:30:29,000 –> 00:30:30,300
That is the see, they just
dropped.

599
00:30:30,300 –> 00:30:31,700
The.
Did they just like, is it like

600
00:30:31,700 –> 00:30:35,500
on the sides?
I go ahead.

601
00:30:35,500 –> 00:30:38,800
Go ahead, McGill.
He’s car with a fucking yeah,

602
00:30:38,800 –> 00:30:42,900
that I don’t really understand
that part how they got all of

603
00:30:42,900 –> 00:30:47,200
this one particular subset of
people to show up at these

604
00:30:47,200 –> 00:30:49,400
brothels weird.
Yeah.

605
00:30:49,800 –> 00:30:53,100
So at one point, I just want to
know as a Live Events promoter

606
00:30:53,100 –> 00:30:56,000
and marketing guy III mean, how
do I try to get people to the

607
00:30:56,000 –> 00:30:58,500
north bar in Chicago?
I mean, if you’re getting CIA

608
00:30:58,500 –> 00:31:00,500
agents to a brothel you know
something, I don’t know.

609
00:31:00,500 –> 00:31:02,800
Yeah.
Drink special, or you North bar

610
00:31:02,800 –> 00:31:04,100
is so fucking great.
Yeah.

611
00:31:04,100 –> 00:31:05,900
You’re going to love that place.
No, thanks for the tip.

612
00:31:05,900 –> 00:31:07,300
Yeah, we’re going.
There were excited.

613
00:31:07,300 –> 00:31:12,400
Yeah, I recorded my album there.
Oh hell yeah, accidentally a fan

614
00:31:12,400 –> 00:31:14,100
showed up and just bootleg and
just below your.

615
00:31:14,100 –> 00:31:15,500
I was like, oh, that sounds
really good.

616
00:31:15,500 –> 00:31:16,600
I’m going to put that out.
Yeah.

617
00:31:16,900 –> 00:31:20,100
And yeah, we’ve done like three
or four shows are always good

618
00:31:20,100 –> 00:31:21,900
times, will be bad.
I think we’ll be back there in

619
00:31:21,900 –> 00:31:23,800
mayo you and Chuck.
Yeah, I think.

620
00:31:24,100 –> 00:31:26,500
That’s one of the next shows
we’re going to try and book.

621
00:31:26,600 –> 00:31:28,200
Oh yeah guys.
Fucking stay on top of that

622
00:31:28,200 –> 00:31:30,400
because I’m so excited to go out
there anyway.

623
00:31:30,400 –> 00:31:32,900
Yeah.
Anyway find the CIA safe house

624
00:31:32,900 –> 00:31:34,100
to the walking tour.
You know.

625
00:31:34,200 –> 00:31:37,500
Yeah get get dealt with LSD
before my set.

626
00:31:37,500 –> 00:31:40,600
I did a show on mushrooms once
and I was funny as fuck.

627
00:31:40,700 –> 00:31:44,300
Yeah, I believe that it was it
was so I was just like I’m not

628
00:31:44,300 –> 00:31:47,100
going to tell jokes I’m just
gonna go up and I killed and I

629
00:31:47,108 –> 00:31:50,600
almost never do that.
Yeah, I mean, that is a it’s

630
00:31:50,600 –> 00:31:53,200
really, really spoils you when
you just pull something great

631
00:31:53,200 –> 00:31:54,900
out of your yeah.
Actually, I don’t have to try

632
00:31:54,900 –> 00:31:57,800
ever and then you should go to
the next time you’re like and

633
00:31:57,800 –> 00:32:00,700
you’re like, oh, that was the
drugs, I get it now.

634
00:32:00,800 –> 00:32:05,000
Yeah, I just ate a bacon
flavored cupcake on stage and

635
00:32:05,000 –> 00:32:07,700
called everybody Hillbillies for
like, 45 minutes in Oklahoma the

636
00:32:07,700 –> 00:32:11,400
other week and crush, and I was
just like, oh yeah, I could just

637
00:32:11,400 –> 00:32:12,600
do this.
I could just be the, I’ll just

638
00:32:12,600 –> 00:32:14,900
make up the whole new show, and
then the next night, I just got

639
00:32:14,900 –> 00:32:18,200
my dick kicked in.
I was like, okay, the magic

640
00:32:18,200 –> 00:32:19,700
isn’t always there.
Yeah.

641
00:32:20,200 –> 00:32:23,300
So let’s talk about the Canadian
experiments because at one

642
00:32:23,300 –> 00:32:26,900
point, we This shit across the
border because the CIA was

643
00:32:26,900 –> 00:32:30,200
Canadians are too polite to
fucking protest being drugged

644
00:32:30,200 –> 00:32:34,100
exactly you know the CIA at one
point recruits Scottish

645
00:32:34,100 –> 00:32:39,100
psychiatrist Donald Ewen Cameron
who was the creator of the

646
00:32:39,100 –> 00:32:44,300
psychic driving concept.
Yeah psychic driving involve

647
00:32:44,300 –> 00:32:47,900
putting patients into a
drug-induced coma for extended

648
00:32:47,900 –> 00:32:51,900
amounts of time.
In one case, three months and

649
00:32:51,900 –> 00:32:55,600
playing tape Loops of noise or
Simple repetitive phrases

650
00:32:55,700 –> 00:32:58,100
intended to alter the patient’s
Behavior.

651
00:32:58,100 –> 00:33:00,000
That’s sort of what they do in
Brave New World.

652
00:33:00,100 –> 00:33:02,200
Yeah, it’s like the Clockwork
Orange.

653
00:33:02,300 –> 00:33:05,700
It’s all the dystopian shit
you’ve ever heard about.

654
00:33:05,700 –> 00:33:06,900
Oh yeah.
It’s like Delta’s.

655
00:33:06,900 –> 00:33:09,800
Love to wear brown.
Khaki and dude menial grunt

656
00:33:09,800 –> 00:33:11,800
work.
Yeah and at one point a

657
00:33:11,808 –> 00:33:14,900
psychiatrist was like yeah it
does.

658
00:33:14,900 –> 00:33:17,300
Maybe the guy.
Maybe that will work on to

659
00:33:17,300 –> 00:33:20,000
something in the CIA was like
yeah.

660
00:33:20,000 –> 00:33:23,000
Maybe it will.
I just do like that.

661
00:33:23,400 –> 00:33:27,700
The Each process for the idea is
just like what we did, the most

662
00:33:27,700 –> 00:33:30,400
obvious as shit, it’s like when
you’re a kid and you’re like,

663
00:33:30,400 –> 00:33:34,200
maybe I can make a rocket.
If I put a bunch of sparklers on

664
00:33:34,200 –> 00:33:38,100
my bike, you know, he’s like
maybe I can make a fucking

665
00:33:38,300 –> 00:33:42,600
brainwashed, mind slave if I
give them acid and have a guy

666
00:33:42,600 –> 00:33:46,400
say kill the president over and
over, you know, it’s just like

667
00:33:46,400 –> 00:33:49,100
it’s just it’s just the first
thing, you think of and loyal,

668
00:33:49,100 –> 00:33:50,900
just do that to 2,000
prostitute.

669
00:33:50,900 –> 00:33:55,600
He’s, you know, yeah, we Were,
we were a crazy bunch in the

670
00:33:55,600 –> 00:33:57,800
60s, because I don’t even know
what’s going on now.

671
00:33:57,800 –> 00:33:59,700
There’s probably there’s
probably a dude, with a just

672
00:33:59,700 –> 00:34:02,900
inject Facebook into his death,
and we’re just gonna read about

673
00:34:02,900 –> 00:34:04,800
him someday.
Some our children will be

674
00:34:04,800 –> 00:34:06,800
podcasting about him from the
Moon.

675
00:34:08,100 –> 00:34:11,000
It’ll be Mars, there’s monsters
on the moon, okay?

676
00:34:11,300 –> 00:34:14,300
So the Nazis, I mean, I’m all
right.

677
00:34:14,300 –> 00:34:15,600
Yeah.
Not two monsters.

678
00:34:15,600 –> 00:34:19,199
Yeah.
Monsters over the course of

679
00:34:19,199 –> 00:34:22,300
seven years or so he was paid.
Sixty nine thousand dollars

680
00:34:22,500 –> 00:34:25,100
which doesn’t sound like a lot
laughs 16.

681
00:34:26,800 –> 00:34:29,199
Right.
But that’s more than six other

682
00:34:29,199 –> 00:34:32,300
pussy Crow we let me hear pussy.
Crow really quick sketch, pussy

683
00:34:32,300 –> 00:34:35,400
crap.
That’s more than six hundred

684
00:34:35,400 –> 00:34:39,000
thousand dollars adjusted for
inflation and he was paid this

685
00:34:39,000 –> 00:34:41,800
money to carry out MKUltra
experiments in Canada.

686
00:34:42,100 –> 00:34:45,100
And that’s interesting because
that when you hear 600,000,

687
00:34:45,100 –> 00:34:47,600
that’s a lot of money.
But spread out over seven years,

688
00:34:47,900 –> 00:34:51,699
that makes it easier to hide.
Yeah, that’s because that’s the

689
00:34:51,699 –> 00:34:55,199
salary annual budget each time
in 100,000 is a drop in the

690
00:34:55,199 –> 00:34:56,100
bucket.
No, totally.

691
00:34:56,100 –> 00:34:58,700
That’s like, that’s a good CPA
or something?

692
00:34:58,700 –> 00:35:02,200
Yeah.
And when he teamed up with

693
00:35:02,200 –> 00:35:06,600
MKUltra, he Add a new layer to
his technique called de

694
00:35:06,600 –> 00:35:10,500
patterning or de pattern Inge
this involved using

695
00:35:10,500 –> 00:35:14,500
electroconvulsive therapy at way
higher levels than recommended

696
00:35:14,800 –> 00:35:19,500
combined with LSD in equally
high levels in an attempt to

697
00:35:19,500 –> 00:35:21,700
break down the subjects
personality.

698
00:35:21,900 –> 00:35:25,500
So then the psychic driving half
of the operation would be a

699
00:35:25,508 –> 00:35:28,300
little more you know more of a
like slate.

700
00:35:28,300 –> 00:35:33,300
Yeah and it’s like ego death.
If you do a lot of drugs, people

701
00:35:33,300 –> 00:35:35,900
say you get Get eaten by death
for you, lose your concept of

702
00:35:35,900 –> 00:35:38,200
self.
Yeah and they were trying to

703
00:35:38,600 –> 00:35:41,500
speed that process along because
I felt that before.

704
00:35:41,800 –> 00:35:43,300
Yeah.
When I smoked weed, when I was a

705
00:35:43,308 –> 00:35:46,200
kid and I think it might have
been laced with something which

706
00:35:46,200 –> 00:35:49,100
is scary, like a PCP, or so,
because it was very, very

707
00:35:49,100 –> 00:35:53,300
intense experience where I just
lost you, no sense of myself as

708
00:35:53,300 –> 00:35:54,700
an individual.
And I felt one with the

709
00:35:54,700 –> 00:35:57,500
universe, or whatever, in a
very, very strange way that I’ll

710
00:35:57,500 –> 00:35:59,600
always remember.
Yeah, and if this was happening,

711
00:35:59,600 –> 00:36:02,000
while a tape Loop telling me to
kill the president was playing

712
00:36:02,300 –> 00:36:03,500
so I yeah.
Probably.

713
00:36:04,000 –> 00:36:04,900
Yeah.
Yeah.

714
00:36:04,900 –> 00:36:06,200
I’m the guy that kills the
president.

715
00:36:06,200 –> 00:36:07,600
Yeah.
Like, that’s what I, that’s what

716
00:36:07,600 –> 00:36:09,900
I am.
Connors gonna get brainwashed to

717
00:36:09,900 –> 00:36:12,400
kill the president’s.
I know I said that probably are

718
00:36:12,400 –> 00:36:15,700
there going to be like, oh well
just went off somewhere the CIA

719
00:36:15,800 –> 00:36:19,600
like we got one, the Alexa two
apartments over was just like

720
00:36:20,000 –> 00:36:27,300
noted, so many of these
experiments were carried out on

721
00:36:27,300 –> 00:36:32,000
subjects at the Allen Memorial
Institute of McGill University

722
00:36:32,000 –> 00:36:35,900
in Montreal and Most of them had
entered the institution for

723
00:36:35,900 –> 00:36:39,400
minor issues like anxiety,
disorders or postpartum

724
00:36:39,400 –> 00:36:41,200
depression or like we’ll fix you
up.

725
00:36:41,300 –> 00:36:44,100
Yeah we got just the thing
treatment.

726
00:36:44,100 –> 00:36:49,100
Often resulted in subjects
incontinence Amnesia forgetting

727
00:36:49,100 –> 00:36:52,100
how to walk forgetting their
parents or thinking their

728
00:36:52,100 –> 00:36:53,700
interrogators were their
parents.

729
00:36:53,700 –> 00:36:56,800
Holy shit, seven years, where
happened?

730
00:36:56,800 –> 00:36:58,100
Where you just literally get to
that?

731
00:36:58,100 –> 00:37:01,100
That baby duck mode where you
like, I don’t know you seem to

732
00:37:01,100 –> 00:37:04,800
be in charge here because ever
since I saw you I’ve lost my

733
00:37:04,800 –> 00:37:06,500
entire identity to this
chemical.

734
00:37:06,500 –> 00:37:09,400
Are you my dad?
Like that’s so haunting that is,

735
00:37:09,500 –> 00:37:13,600
and as horrifying as that, is
this just gets.

736
00:37:13,800 –> 00:37:17,600
We have four more notes on this
thing to go through and it just

737
00:37:17,600 –> 00:37:20,300
gets so much scarier.
Oh yeah.

738
00:37:20,300 –> 00:37:24,700
For one thing, these experiments
were duplicated in England by

739
00:37:24,700 –> 00:37:27,900
British psychiatrist.
William Sergeant who was also

740
00:37:27,900 –> 00:37:31,600
involved with intelligence
services and also experimented

741
00:37:31,600 –> 00:37:35,300
without patient consent.
So, we took this shit

742
00:37:35,300 –> 00:37:37,100
International at one point.
Yeah.

743
00:37:37,600 –> 00:37:40,800
So that’s creepy.
It was like, Hey buds, you

744
00:37:40,800 –> 00:37:43,100
didn’t have any luck with this.
And I bought.

745
00:37:43,100 –> 00:37:44,300
This is this is the
international.

746
00:37:44,300 –> 00:37:46,600
Can I borrow a cup of sugar
sugar from the neighbor it’s

747
00:37:46,600 –> 00:37:49,900
just like, have you gotten these
homeless prostitutes to start

748
00:37:49,900 –> 00:37:51,900
shooting people yet?
Have you figured out and that’s

749
00:37:51,900 –> 00:37:56,300
the thing when people are like,
okay, yeah, we did it but the

750
00:37:56,300 –> 00:37:58,000
government said nothing ever
came from it.

751
00:37:58,000 –> 00:38:00,000
So they just gave it up, did
they?

752
00:38:00,200 –> 00:38:01,800
Yeah, I did what they have read
everything.

753
00:38:01,800 –> 00:38:04,400
Or would they have gone to
England and men like We you

754
00:38:04,400 –> 00:38:07,600
gotta try this again.
I mean, I’m a mom of two minds

755
00:38:07,600 –> 00:38:10,300
where I’m like, you know what?
Government is great at wasting

756
00:38:10,300 –> 00:38:11,400
money.
Yeah.

757
00:38:11,400 –> 00:38:16,900
You know, and it’s like they
didn’t really earn the money,

758
00:38:17,000 –> 00:38:21,000
they just kind of get it, right?
And because of that, you just

759
00:38:21,000 –> 00:38:24,100
sort of fuck off with it.
It’s like when I do a big

760
00:38:24,100 –> 00:38:27,200
stand-up gig like a college or
something, I’m just like, this

761
00:38:27,200 –> 00:38:29,200
is, I would have done.
This is so easy.

762
00:38:29,200 –> 00:38:31,800
Like I just, I don’t know, I
just fucked, blow it out.

763
00:38:31,800 –> 00:38:33,600
Still, that’s the same way just
on a massive scale.

764
00:38:33,700 –> 00:38:36,900
So maybe, maybe they would spend
20 years fucking with his stuff

765
00:38:36,900 –> 00:38:39,300
and not really getting anything
and just keep doing it.

766
00:38:39,300 –> 00:38:40,300
Maybe they’re still do it in the
movie.

767
00:38:40,300 –> 00:38:41,100
They’re still not getting.
Yeah.

768
00:38:41,100 –> 00:38:42,200
I have no idea.
Yeah.

769
00:38:42,300 –> 00:38:45,200
But I’m same way with stand-up
money whenever I get paid to do

770
00:38:45,200 –> 00:38:47,300
stand-up.
I’m like oh ho party money.

771
00:38:47,400 –> 00:38:49,400
Like I’ve done like some see
this coming dumb?

772
00:38:49,400 –> 00:38:52,400
84 comedy like dumb corporate
gigs or something where it’s

773
00:38:52,400 –> 00:38:54,700
just like too much.
Might like either make not

774
00:38:54,700 –> 00:38:56,900
enough at all or way too much at
one time.

775
00:38:56,900 –> 00:38:59,000
And I’m, yeah, when I get one, I
get one of those where I just

776
00:38:59,000 –> 00:39:01,700
like ups, I don’t fucking know,
I guess I’m getting the hats.

777
00:39:01,700 –> 00:39:03,600
I mean, I don’t even know where
I am, but I got hats now.

778
00:39:03,800 –> 00:39:06,700
Yeah.
Yeah I’ve done show like you do

779
00:39:06,700 –> 00:39:10,600
20 minutes and get like $150
it’s like I don’t deserve this.

780
00:39:10,600 –> 00:39:11,700
Yeah.
What I’m going to do is I am

781
00:39:11,700 –> 00:39:14,600
going to waste this money.
I remember sure I remember being

782
00:39:14,600 –> 00:39:17,900
a member of being like 19 or 20
and I did this gig and I was

783
00:39:17,900 –> 00:39:20,900
getting like 250 for the gig and
then I sold like 10 t-shirts and

784
00:39:20,900 –> 00:39:24,300
I just had like five hundred
dollars in my wallet and I’m 20

785
00:39:24,300 –> 00:39:26,400
I’m just like what this is like
a month.

786
00:39:26,400 –> 00:39:29,600
It Ross.
Oh my God, I’m just gonna be my

787
00:39:29,600 –> 00:39:32,400
life now you know, I’m just I’m
getting so I’m getting like an

788
00:39:32,400 –> 00:39:35,700
unnecessary amount of Popeyes.
All right, like I said, I don’t

789
00:39:35,700 –> 00:39:39,000
know, I don’t know what they,
yeah, I mean, I have see think

790
00:39:39,000 –> 00:39:42,600
they fucking Ron is something.
Yeah, so that part is, is

791
00:39:42,600 –> 00:39:44,900
terrifying.
This Parts even worse.

792
00:39:45,200 –> 00:39:50,200
During this time, Cameron became
the first chairman of the world

793
00:39:50,200 –> 00:39:54,900
Psychiatric association as well
as president of the American and

794
00:39:54,900 –> 00:39:57,300
Canadian psychiatric
association’s.

795
00:39:58,500 –> 00:40:02,900
Which we have reached a
milestone in my life, where, for

796
00:40:02,900 –> 00:40:06,400
the first time I’m like, maybe
they’ll scientologists are onto

797
00:40:06,400 –> 00:40:07,500
something.
Yeah.

798
00:40:07,600 –> 00:40:10,400
Because Psychiatry is like their
main enemy.

799
00:40:10,400 –> 00:40:11,800
Yeah.
They’re like that’s a fucking

800
00:40:11,800 –> 00:40:13,700
government tool to keep you
controlled.

801
00:40:13,700 –> 00:40:15,700
I?
Yeah, I kind of, and I’ve always

802
00:40:15,700 –> 00:40:19,500
been like, I shut the fuck up
and now I hear that this guy

803
00:40:19,500 –> 00:40:22,200
became the head of the American
Psychiatric association.

804
00:40:22,200 –> 00:40:27,000
Yeah, and you’re like, oh okay
well Ron, yeah, that’s life out

805
00:40:27,000 –> 00:40:31,800
there in the boat, man.
You got any jobs in like floors?

806
00:40:31,800 –> 00:40:33,800
I can scrub for no money while I
work.

807
00:40:33,800 –> 00:40:36,200
My way up through the levels.
Yeah.

808
00:40:36,200 –> 00:40:38,300
Can I do like a?
I can flatten that button.

809
00:40:38,300 –> 00:40:40,100
Yeah.
Can ideally like a college like

810
00:40:40,100 –> 00:40:42,600
like, like work through school
thing, where I just like, sell

811
00:40:42,600 –> 00:40:45,600
like, scantrons at the student
store, so I can get a discount

812
00:40:45,600 –> 00:40:48,700
on my fucking electroshock that
like tasks and courses or

813
00:40:48,707 –> 00:40:52,500
whatever.
Yeah it’s crazy II.

814
00:40:52,500 –> 00:40:56,700
Didn’t look into how long he
held that job but this guy is

815
00:40:56,700 –> 00:40:59,100
that’s like the the you know,
Like that’s the organization.

816
00:40:59,100 –> 00:41:01,600
That’s like being gay is a
disease or whatever.

817
00:41:01,600 –> 00:41:03,900
You know, I did, like they make
all those like classifications

818
00:41:03,900 –> 00:41:05,200
on what isn’t isn’t?
Yeah.

819
00:41:05,200 –> 00:41:08,600
Illness and like, you know, in
her book, the shock Doctrine

820
00:41:09,000 –> 00:41:12,400
Naomi Klein argues that
Cameron’s research, wasn’t about

821
00:41:12,400 –> 00:41:15,800
mine controller brainwashing.
But rather about designing,

822
00:41:15,800 –> 00:41:18,900
quote, a scientifically based
system for extracting

823
00:41:18,900 –> 00:41:21,300
information from resistance
sources.

824
00:41:21,700 –> 00:41:26,300
In other words, torture, so
that’s also horrifying resistant

825
00:41:26,300 –> 00:41:27,500
sources.
Yeah.

826
00:41:28,200 –> 00:41:31,900
Yeah, and I do like that like
all this stuff goes on and then,

827
00:41:31,900 –> 00:41:33,600
you know, you hear about
Guantanamo and they’re like,

828
00:41:33,700 –> 00:41:36,400
yeah, we turn it turns out just
as easy to make them sit on a

829
00:41:36,400 –> 00:41:39,700
pyramid while we play.
Justin Bieber songs, you know.

830
00:41:40,000 –> 00:41:42,700
I’m like, yeah it turns out, we
didn’t have to completely a

831
00:41:42,700 –> 00:41:44,400
demise their brains with
chemicals.

832
00:41:44,400 –> 00:41:47,200
We could just make him sit on a
pyramid and listen to music

833
00:41:47,200 –> 00:41:49,000
really loud.
Yeah, I’ve seen that show with

834
00:41:49,000 –> 00:41:50,700
those pyramids.
They had to sit on that just now

835
00:41:50,700 –> 00:41:53,000
carry your ass hole.
Open just come sit, on top of

836
00:41:53,000 –> 00:41:54,900
like a fucking big metal
pyramid.

837
00:41:55,800 –> 00:42:00,500
Yeah I mean I guess that’s a But
like it can’t have taken MKUltra

838
00:42:00,500 –> 00:42:02,000
to come up with that.
That’s the thing.

839
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:04,500
It’s like you can probably do
all of your Rogue lifx and it

840
00:42:04,500 –> 00:42:07,800
didn’t work and you just like
just went to like yeah turns out

841
00:42:07,800 –> 00:42:09,700
we give them a bad chair and
hurt their.

842
00:42:09,700 –> 00:42:12,900
Here’s like it’s just I like to
picture that there’s like a

843
00:42:12,900 –> 00:42:18,900
shark tank for CIA torture stuff
where there’s just like for men

844
00:42:18,900 –> 00:42:22,400
and blow air in a shoe box and
he’s like, I call it the

845
00:42:22,400 –> 00:42:25,400
pyramid.
All right, yeah, we’re in.

846
00:42:25,400 –> 00:42:27,800
Yeah, I’m looking for a fast.
Look over 40,000.

847
00:42:28,100 –> 00:42:30,400
Men with families that were in
the wrong place at the wrong

848
00:42:30,400 –> 00:42:32,600
time.
If you’re willing to invest,

849
00:42:33,800 –> 00:42:36,300
this is another quote about
this.

850
00:42:36,300 –> 00:42:39,700
Maybe being a means of
developing, torture techniques

851
00:42:40,300 –> 00:42:42,700
stripped of its bizarre
excesses, dr.

852
00:42:42,700 –> 00:42:45,600
Cameron’s experiments building
upon Donald.

853
00:42:45,700 –> 00:42:48,300
Oh hebbs.
Earlier breakthrough laid, the

854
00:42:48,300 –> 00:42:53,500
scientific foundation for the
cia’s two-stage psychological

855
00:42:53,500 –> 00:42:56,600
torture method.
That’s a quote from Alfred W

856
00:42:56,600 –> 00:42:59,700
McCoy history.
Professor at UW Madison.

857
00:42:59,800 –> 00:43:02,600
That’s the good one, folks.
Dude, I’ve performed that’s

858
00:43:02,600 –> 00:43:04,000
cool.
I love.

859
00:43:04,000 –> 00:43:05,600
I mean, I lived in Madison for
six years.

860
00:43:05,600 –> 00:43:07,100
Yeah.
Madison’s fucking great.

861
00:43:07,100 –> 00:43:11,200
UW-Madison is the there’s a lot
of University of Wisconsin’s,

862
00:43:11,500 –> 00:43:14,600
but there’s only one that most
of the people didn’t vote for

863
00:43:14,600 –> 00:43:15,800
Trump.
Oh yeah.

864
00:43:15,800 –> 00:43:17,400
Yeah, I guess that would be the
yeah.

865
00:43:17,400 –> 00:43:19,100
That’s like when I went to
Kentucky to, like, build a wall

866
00:43:19,100 –> 00:43:20,400
around Louisville, please, you
know.

867
00:43:22,400 –> 00:43:24,300
So, let’s talk about the church
committee.

868
00:43:25,100 –> 00:43:27,800
This is how this finally comes
out.

869
00:43:28,300 –> 00:43:34,200
In 1973 CIA director, Richard
Helms ordered all MK Ultra files

870
00:43:34,200 –> 00:43:36,500
to be destroyed.
I mean it’s just taking up so

871
00:43:36,500 –> 00:43:38,700
much space in the front.
Yeah, I mean we just got to do

872
00:43:38,700 –> 00:43:39,700
something with them.
No.

873
00:43:39,700 –> 00:43:42,300
Want to waste your money.
I mean, we’re going to weigh 600

874
00:43:42,300 –> 00:43:44,700
thousand dollars a year.
Turning Canadians into fucking

875
00:43:45,500 –> 00:43:47,800
evil, fuck slaves.
But I mean, you know, I mean we

876
00:43:47,800 –> 00:43:49,600
can’t that’s a lot of the rent
on.

877
00:43:49,600 –> 00:43:51,600
That building is very high.
We got to keep all the other

878
00:43:51,600 –> 00:43:53,800
doll, the new torture records
somewhere.

879
00:43:53,800 –> 00:43:56,400
Yeah.
Yeah the thing about MKUltra, we

880
00:43:56,400 –> 00:43:59,900
haven’t even like What we’re
covering today is the

881
00:43:59,900 –> 00:44:01,500
information.
That’s easy to find.

882
00:44:01,500 –> 00:44:05,400
Yeah, there are books out there.
I still keep teasing the

883
00:44:05,400 –> 00:44:08,100
Courtney, Love Conspiracy Theory
episode that we’re going to do

884
00:44:08,100 –> 00:44:09,400
at some point.
Yeah.

885
00:44:09,400 –> 00:44:11,700
But that altering Courtney Love
month and there is a whole

886
00:44:11,700 –> 00:44:15,200
month, we could do a court.
I really think there would be a

887
00:44:15,200 –> 00:44:17,600
little bit of a stretch but not
that much of a stretch.

888
00:44:17,600 –> 00:44:19,000
We could make it work.
Yeah.

889
00:44:19,600 –> 00:44:23,400
But there is a book out there
that alleges that she was not

890
00:44:23,400 –> 00:44:27,100
only part of one of the people
who was experimented on during

891
00:44:27,100 –> 00:44:28,000
MK Ultra.
Yeah.

892
00:44:28,200 –> 00:44:32,000
But that she was cultivated as a
CIA operative after that.

893
00:44:32,300 –> 00:44:35,500
So do of that’s it’s such an
exciting Theory.

894
00:44:35,500 –> 00:44:37,400
I love the truth, dude.
It’s funny too.

895
00:44:37,600 –> 00:44:42,000
It’s out there and you just grab
it and it feels so good.

896
00:44:42,000 –> 00:44:43,500
Oh yeah.
It’s like finding a chunk of

897
00:44:43,500 –> 00:44:46,800
iron or you like, I can bring
this home and fashioned it into

898
00:44:46,800 –> 00:44:51,100
a podcast of feed my dog.
It’s just very rewarding.

899
00:44:52,000 –> 00:44:55,600
So they shred all these
documents because the entire

900
00:44:55,600 –> 00:44:58,500
government’s doing that at this
point, but Because the

901
00:44:58,500 –> 00:45:00,700
government isn’t perfect
surprise.

902
00:45:01,300 –> 00:45:05,700
They had accidentally stored
about 20,000 documents in a

903
00:45:05,700 –> 00:45:08,300
financial Records building on
accident, bro.

904
00:45:08,300 –> 00:45:10,600
Thank you bureaucracy.
Wow, you don’t say it.

905
00:45:10,600 –> 00:45:13,400
Don’t say it often, but
sometimes, God love you.

906
00:45:13,500 –> 00:45:17,400
Fucking government waste.
Yeah, these documents were

907
00:45:17,400 –> 00:45:20,500
discovered.
After a 1977, Freedom of

908
00:45:20,500 –> 00:45:22,500
Information, Act request, I
forgot.

909
00:45:22,500 –> 00:45:26,100
I signed up for Ashley Madison
on our couples email address.

910
00:45:26,100 –> 00:45:27,800
Like, you know, it’s the same
shit.

911
00:45:28,400 –> 00:45:32,800
I’m curious how that Freedom of
Information Act request worked.

912
00:45:33,000 –> 00:45:34,700
Did someone just sent a request
and go?

913
00:45:35,200 –> 00:45:38,000
Hey, look into every building
and see if there’s any MKUltra

914
00:45:38,000 –> 00:45:40,500
stuff.
Or did someone find it at one

915
00:45:40,500 –> 00:45:43,100
point was just like I hope no
one finds out.

916
00:45:43,100 –> 00:45:46,800
We got this may be some number
crunchers like boss, you know,

917
00:45:47,000 –> 00:45:48,500
and then I don’t know, maybe
there’s just a couple

918
00:45:48,500 –> 00:45:49,800
good-hearted bureaucrats who
look?

919
00:45:49,800 –> 00:45:52,600
Well, yeah, I mean, we should
give this back to the people.

920
00:45:52,800 –> 00:45:55,000
We’ve.
Yeah, you know, old boss was

921
00:45:55,000 –> 00:45:57,800
probably like, women don’t ask
questions, she’s like, oh,

922
00:45:58,400 –> 00:46:00,200
Freedom of Information, Act
request.

923
00:46:00,200 –> 00:46:01,900
Yeah.
And here we are.

924
00:46:02,300 –> 00:46:07,700
Yeah, so that’s basically how
this was confirmed, but before

925
00:46:07,700 –> 00:46:12,500
that, there had been the church
Committee in December, 1974, the

926
00:46:12,500 –> 00:46:15,900
New York Times, alleged that the
CIA had conducted illegal

927
00:46:16,200 –> 00:46:20,300
domestic activities, including
experiments on US citizens

928
00:46:20,300 –> 00:46:23,700
during the 60s.
So this first comes out as a New

929
00:46:23,700 –> 00:46:27,300
York Times story in 1974.
Yeah.

930
00:46:27,900 –> 00:46:32,800
And it reminds me of now, the
New York Times just did this

931
00:46:32,800 –> 00:46:36,700
story about the government
pumping, all this money into UFO

932
00:46:36,700 –> 00:46:40,300
research, like, including videos
of what the government is

933
00:46:40,300 –> 00:46:41,900
likely.
Like we don’t know what the food

934
00:46:41,900 –> 00:46:45,700
and the government’s like, hey,
we don’t know either and no one

935
00:46:45,700 –> 00:46:49,200
cared like it wasn’t like when
this came out in the 70s, people

936
00:46:49,200 –> 00:46:50,700
are like, what?
Yeah.

937
00:46:50,700 –> 00:46:54,300
Like it was huge news and you
know, it’s just there’s so much

938
00:46:54,400 –> 00:46:56,700
in like yeah.
But there’s also this GIF of a

939
00:46:56,700 –> 00:47:00,300
cat trying to put on Tie, you
know, and it’s just, yeah, and

940
00:47:00,300 –> 00:47:04,200
there’s I think among I think
the majority of people in this

941
00:47:04,200 –> 00:47:07,600
country, there’s just this sense
that like, when it comes to

942
00:47:07,600 –> 00:47:09,700
aliens are conspiracies, or
anything like that.

943
00:47:09,700 –> 00:47:11,800
Their mind is never going to be
changed.

944
00:47:11,800 –> 00:47:16,200
Yeah, it’s going to have to be
an alien comes and sits in front

945
00:47:16,200 –> 00:47:18,600
of you, and even then they’re
going to be like, oh whatever.

946
00:47:18,600 –> 00:47:22,600
It’s just an animal that is not
native to this area and this.

947
00:47:22,600 –> 00:47:27,100
Yeah and like it’s a swamp gas
took the form of man, that raped

948
00:47:27,100 –> 00:47:29,700
you.
And it just feels like, there’s

949
00:47:29,700 –> 00:47:33,300
been a shift in this country
somehow toward really trusting

950
00:47:33,300 –> 00:47:36,800
the government.
Yeah, which is insane, because

951
00:47:36,800 –> 00:47:40,600
we have so much evidence to the
contrary that says we shouldn’t

952
00:47:40,600 –> 00:47:44,000
trust the government.
I don’t know, like, I find it, I

953
00:47:44,000 –> 00:47:46,900
find myself struggling to give a
shit sometimes, you know, I

954
00:47:46,900 –> 00:47:50,300
don’t know what it is about our
culture and the way we consume

955
00:47:50,300 –> 00:47:54,700
information and news that has
gotten us to this place, is it,

956
00:47:54,700 –> 00:47:56,800
is it fucking Zoloft in the
water supply?

957
00:47:56,800 –> 00:47:59,700
Making anybody pass?
I don’t know or have we all just

958
00:47:59,700 –> 00:48:02,000
given up?
We all just like yeah whatever

959
00:48:02,000 –> 00:48:03,800
the government is going to win,
no matter what.

960
00:48:03,800 –> 00:48:05,600
Yeah, I mean the just like, I
don’t know.

961
00:48:05,600 –> 00:48:07,500
Yeah.
We could all just form a militia

962
00:48:07,500 –> 00:48:10,800
but they probably stopped us
from buying stuff and smoke us

963
00:48:10,800 –> 00:48:13,100
out and just like, what the fuck
are we gonna do like, who look

964
00:48:13,100 –> 00:48:14,400
what do we do?
What do we what is there to be

965
00:48:14,400 –> 00:48:15,900
done?
Yeah, it’s alright.

966
00:48:15,900 –> 00:48:18,200
It’s like already like some 1984
as shit.

967
00:48:18,200 –> 00:48:20,600
I mean, they’re just you know,
they’re chill with you doing a

968
00:48:20,607 –> 00:48:23,000
podcast as long as you don’t get
too many listeners.

969
00:48:23,000 –> 00:48:25,100
Yeah.
That’s that’s the thing and

970
00:48:25,100 –> 00:48:27,700
that’s how a lot of
authoritarian governments.

971
00:48:27,800 –> 00:48:29,100
Work.
It’s like what?

972
00:48:29,100 –> 00:48:32,100
If they’re just like yeah
Winston Smith start a radio show

973
00:48:32,100 –> 00:48:34,200
or write a book.
We don’t care.

974
00:48:34,200 –> 00:48:37,100
No One’s Gonna read it.
Two thousand people are going to

975
00:48:37,107 –> 00:48:39,000
like it or whatever.
You know like who cares?

976
00:48:39,000 –> 00:48:40,400
Yeah.
That’s that’s kind of hot.

977
00:48:40,400 –> 00:48:44,400
Like there’s never, I mean, in
rare cases but there’s never

978
00:48:44,400 –> 00:48:49,000
really a dictator or an
authoritarian regime in the

979
00:48:49,000 –> 00:48:52,000
modern age that just shuts down
everything.

980
00:48:52,100 –> 00:48:53,800
Yeah.
Like they let minor shit get but

981
00:48:53,800 –> 00:48:57,800
like I feel like we’ve said it
before like this network is in.

982
00:48:57,900 –> 00:49:02,900
Really nice pocket where we’re
just kind of big enough that we

983
00:49:02,900 –> 00:49:05,100
can make a little money.
But really, you know, we got a

984
00:49:05,100 –> 00:49:06,900
nice Studio.
We got the people sent us fun

985
00:49:06,900 –> 00:49:08,700
Trinkets and all that and it’s
great.

986
00:49:08,700 –> 00:49:10,100
But yeah, the minute this blows
up.

987
00:49:10,100 –> 00:49:12,800
I’m going to be like fuck.
Yeah, we’re all going to get

988
00:49:12,800 –> 00:49:15,400
murdered now.
Well, it’s just like it’s like

989
00:49:15,400 –> 00:49:17,900
it’s like a bad guy and like a,
like a cartoon.

990
00:49:17,900 –> 00:49:19,500
That’s so strong.
It’s just like, yeah, go ahead

991
00:49:19,500 –> 00:49:21,200
and punch me.
It’s not going to do anything.

992
00:49:21,200 –> 00:49:23,300
Yeah.
So yeah, we’re taking swings.

993
00:49:23,300 –> 00:49:26,000
But I mean unscathed.
Yeah.

994
00:49:26,200 –> 00:49:27,600
You know.
So yeah.

995
00:49:27,800 –> 00:49:31,600
It’s MK Ultra after, after that
New York Times article the the

996
00:49:31,600 –> 00:49:35,400
church committee convenes and
also the Rockefeller committee

997
00:49:35,400 –> 00:49:38,500
which was the present their
Congress and the executive

998
00:49:38,500 –> 00:49:40,600
branch both launched their own
committees.

999
00:49:40,700 –> 00:49:46,200
Now to look into CIA activities
and what’s crazy is at one point

1000
00:49:46,200 –> 00:49:49,500
Gerald, Ford issues an executive
order that says all right.

1001
00:49:49,600 –> 00:49:53,800
No.
No using drugs.

1002
00:49:53,900 –> 00:49:57,300
On humans during experiments
without their knowledge.

1003
00:49:57,900 –> 00:50:00,100
And you would think that would
be the end of it.

1004
00:50:00,100 –> 00:50:03,200
But then, at some point Reagan
had to update it and go, hey, no

1005
00:50:03,200 –> 00:50:06,400
human experiments at all.
Which leads me to believe the

1006
00:50:06,400 –> 00:50:09,500
CIA was just like, no drugs
Ga’Hoole.

1007
00:50:09,800 –> 00:50:12,600
We’re just went out with like,
were using micro Beatles.

1008
00:50:12,600 –> 00:50:15,600
Yeah, it’s just like sound waves
and shit.

1009
00:50:15,600 –> 00:50:17,400
Yeah.
Oh, for sure, for sure.

1010
00:50:17,400 –> 00:50:19,100
Yeah.
Usually I’m not touching you,

1011
00:50:19,100 –> 00:50:23,400
I’m not touching you, you know,
like and even Reagan had to step

1012
00:50:23,400 –> 00:50:26,500
up and be like it’s not a drug.
He’s technically a poison, okay,

1013
00:50:26,500 –> 00:50:28,800
that’s not drugs.
Supposed to affect you

1014
00:50:28,800 –> 00:50:32,000
positively this is yeah.
But please tell me more about

1015
00:50:32,000 –> 00:50:34,200
how this definitely stopped and
73.

1016
00:50:34,300 –> 00:50:37,800
Yeah, probably not but that’s
MKUltra.

1017
00:50:37,900 –> 00:50:41,300
And next week we’re going to
dive into one specific incident

1018
00:50:41,300 –> 00:50:46,900
from MKUltra which is the death
of Frank Olson as covered on the

1019
00:50:46,900 –> 00:50:48,700
documentary.
Wormwood maybe want to watch

1020
00:50:48,700 –> 00:50:50,000
wormwood first.
Yeah.

1021
00:50:50,000 –> 00:50:51,600
Because we’re definitely going
to spoil that.

1022
00:50:51,600 –> 00:50:53,900
I want for you got a whole week
guys.

1023
00:50:54,000 –> 00:50:57,400
Yeah we’re we’re going to spoil
that for you on next week’s

1024
00:50:57,400 –> 00:50:59,600
episode.
So you better get it watched.

1025
00:50:59,600 –> 00:51:04,000
Yeah, he dies at the end will
spoil that part for you right

1026
00:51:04,000 –> 00:51:05,800
now?
You could tell actually he dies

1027
00:51:05,800 –> 00:51:08,100
about a quarter of the way.
Yeah, you can tell it’s too

1028
00:51:08,100 –> 00:51:09,500
early in the morning.
He said you better get it

1029
00:51:09,500 –> 00:51:12,800
watched as a graduate is get it
done.

1030
00:51:13,400 –> 00:51:15,800
All right.
What do we have to plug or do

1031
00:51:15,800 –> 00:51:17,300
you have to get out of here?
I know you’re in a hurry.

1032
00:51:17,300 –> 00:51:19,800
I gotta I gotta bail pretty
quick but yeah, we’re going on

1033
00:51:19,800 –> 00:51:22,600
tour all over the rust belt in
the east coast.

1034
00:51:22,600 –> 00:51:25,800
Chicago fucking Milwaukee.
Philly.

1035
00:51:25,800 –> 00:51:30,600
Pittsburgh d.c.
Detroit It New York City, all in

1036
00:51:30,600 –> 00:51:33,200
the month of April ticket.
Somebody was plug s.com if the

1037
00:51:33,207 –> 00:51:35,400
ticket link isn’t up yet because
we’re waiting on the dumb venue

1038
00:51:35,400 –> 00:51:37,500
to put it on the website, get on
the email list, you with first

1039
00:51:37,500 –> 00:51:39,800
to know and ditto for me in
chat.

1040
00:51:39,800 –> 00:51:41,600
Wild in May.
We’re going to go out and do

1041
00:51:41,600 –> 00:51:45,100
some tour.
Yes, or and Sumter and some turn

1042
00:51:45,300 –> 00:51:48,400
and I’ll hearing tests, I have
dates up for that soon.

1043
00:51:48,400 –> 00:51:51,000
I know.
We’re starting in beautiful

1044
00:51:51,100 –> 00:51:53,000
Iowa.
Des Moines.

1045
00:51:53,300 –> 00:51:56,100
No, fuck.
Where are we?

1046
00:51:56,500 –> 00:51:59,400
We’re close, too.
Small tap, we’re doing a really

1047
00:51:59,400 –> 00:52:02,600
small town, okay?
But it’s it’s going to be fun

1048
00:52:02,600 –> 00:52:04,100
because I know there’s a nun.
Pops mean, boys.

1049
00:52:04,100 –> 00:52:06,100
Go the tweets.
Aside from out and I’m the

1050
00:52:06,100 –> 00:52:10,000
Moines.
Yeah, we did Iowa City.

1051
00:52:10,000 –> 00:52:12,500
Where Portugal man’s tour bus?
Just caught on fire.

1052
00:52:12,600 –> 00:52:14,400
Oh, shut up to them glad they
were safe.

1053
00:52:14,500 –> 00:52:16,000
Yeah, yeah.
We did.

1054
00:52:16,000 –> 00:52:18,800
Iowa City and it was fun.
Yeah, I fucking like, those

1055
00:52:18,800 –> 00:52:20,300
little towns, man.
Yeah, it was.

1056
00:52:20,300 –> 00:52:24,300
We were on the campus of, that’s
University of Iowa.

1057
00:52:24,300 –> 00:52:26,100
I believe is in Iowa City.
Hmm.

1058
00:52:26,900 –> 00:52:29,400
Yeah, we were on campus.
Is there a great record stores?

1059
00:52:29,400 –> 00:52:33,200
I bought, I bought a copy of.
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx on

1060
00:52:33,200 –> 00:52:34,800
purple translucent.
Vinyl.

1061
00:52:34,900 –> 00:52:36,900
Nice in Iowa.
That’s what I do when I tore.

1062
00:52:36,900 –> 00:52:39,100
I just go to record stores and
oh, yeah, and record those

1063
00:52:39,100 –> 00:52:41,800
little ones are fucking day.
There’s one up in Bakersfield

1064
00:52:41,800 –> 00:52:43,300
that had the best shit I was in
there.

1065
00:52:43,300 –> 00:52:46,200
One time I was looking at just
27 inch from like a shitty punk

1066
00:52:46,200 –> 00:52:49,500
band and they had like the
members all had Punk names and

1067
00:52:49,500 –> 00:52:51,900
one of the guys are the same
Punk named I had when I was 14

1068
00:52:51,900 –> 00:52:55,700
which was vas deferens which is
a great punk rock named

1069
00:52:56,500 –> 00:52:58,600
goddamnit someone to Beggars
Will have the same idea.

1070
00:52:58,600 –> 00:53:02,000
I wasn’t that good.
All right, let’s get the fuck

1071
00:53:02,000 –> 00:53:03,600
out of here.
Connor say goodbye.

1072
00:53:03,800 –> 00:53:05,400
Goodbye.
Goodbye everybody.

1073
00:53:05,400 –> 00:53:05,800
We love you.