Conspiracy! The Show Project Blue Book

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Welcome to conspiracy the show
with your host, added Todd Brown

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and Connor mcspadden.
All right, let’s get started.

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Hey everybody.
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The same as twice before, which
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Yeah, that’s danger Van.
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Hi everybody.
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Yes, I am called.
Countless 1000s.

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That’s my twit.
That’s our Twitter handle.

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Yes, Council. 1000 and thousands
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How you pronounce that Powerman?
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Yeah, remember them?
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Our man. 500 was a get 0 0 0.
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sounds y’all tonight, the Stars
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That song when it was out in the
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I on the Run.
When Worlds Collide?

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Yeah.
Yeah we’re great.

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Spider one.
Was that guy’s name?

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Instead of was it?
That is Rob’s out.

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I was about to say yes spider.
One sounds cooler than Rob,

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Zombie’s little brother.
Yeah, a little too deep into

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Pokemon to rip to, you know,
research the names of the people

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making Worlds Collide hi I’m
kid, brother zombie.

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Olivia hide ours here.
Hi.

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Yes.
Hello.

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Hi, that’s me.
Your last name.

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Also has a greeting in it.
Yeah, exactly.

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It’s fun and rewards Langley.
Yeah, last week, we talked about

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project sign which was one of
the government’s early studies

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into UFOs and aliens and things
of the like and this week we’re

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talking about Project Blue Book,
which is the big government

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study into UFOs and almost It’s
less of a government study into

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UFOs and more of a government
campaign against the idea, that

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UFOs exist.
Yes.

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Especially towards the end.
It really, it turns into a

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debunking campaign which is,
which is very interesting

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because it kind of it began as
that.

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And then the people who got
involved decided.

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They wanted to make it not that
they write to make it more

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neutral and then as time went on
and more bureaucratic, people

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wouldn’t charge then It ended up
becoming more of that again.

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Yeah, the CIA gets involved at
one point which always a red

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flag.
Yeah.

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So Project Blue Book, let’s talk
about it started in 1952 and

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wasn’t shut down until 1969.
So this is one of those wacky

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50s and 60s government programs,
that like, this is just what we

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were up to at the time.
So, and probably still now.

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Oh, good, we’re better at
hiding.

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It, I just love this shit.
Yeah, like bam.

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And we were like, are we going
to be the Nazis to like are we

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just gonna press everyone?
Like it was.

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And then it turns out.
Yeah.

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We sure are.
Yeah, go.

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But we also kind of weirdly
believe in magic a little bit.

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Yeah, there’s a lot of Quasi
Supernatural stuff and volunteer

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Nazis believed in Magic to man.
Yeah, yeah.

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That’s why they were after the,
the old Ten Commandments there.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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To Hell boy.
Yeah, exactly.

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So far Constantine, I love man
in the High Castle.

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Yeah, Raiders, which and Last
Crusade Project, Blue Book had

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two goals.
One to determine if you UFOs,

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were threat to National
Security.

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And to, to scientifically
analyze ufo-related data.

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And I said this in the last
episode and I stand by it, this

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Project Blue Book ends up being
like what the EPA is.

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Now we’re at one point.
We have actual scientists who

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maybe we don’t know what they
thought going into climate

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change.
Search.

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But at one point, they’re all
like, whoa, this is a problem.

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Yeah, and the government that
funds their budget was like, no,

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it’s not.
Uh, how about you?

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Write that a little different?
Yeah, we’ll make sure you stay

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funded, and they collected and
analyzed thousands of reports of

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UFOs.
The name refers to the blue

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booklets used for testing at
some colleges and universities

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and and it was thought that was
named for a Scantron machines I

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think says something like Like
that.

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No no that’s for essay writing.
You you if you had an essay to

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write it would be in that very
specific.

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Yeah, yeah.
And there was also the theory

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that aliens were telling us how
much cars were worth and so,

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that was also sure.
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The Kelly Kelly aliens?
Yeah, they’re for Mars and it

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was because study of UFOs at the
time was and this is a quote as

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important as a The exam.
Mmm went to seize a little more

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high level than that.
It’s one of those where you’re

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like, you know what?
I actually didn’t need to know.

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Yeah, it’s called that sounds
way.

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It sounds like a bunch of
fucking nerds named.

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This probably was like, blue
book, sounds mysterious and cool

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and then find out.
It’s actually a goddamn blue

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book from college.
Yeah, one of the things I love

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about this though is that most
of the people involved are giant

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fucking nerd.
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And right.
That’s how you kind of lends.

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It a little bit of credibility.
Leti because they’re just like

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these stodgy uptight like you
know, you picture your Classic

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50’s man with like the flat top
right?

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Right.
Horn room go.

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That’s a man’s got.
A pocket protector.

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Exactly.
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And like to me that lends
credibility to oh yeah they’re

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finding we’ll call it project.
You know whatever louder

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business administration college.
So the first head of Project

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Blue Book, interestingly enough
Captain Edward J repeal here Out

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the 1956 book that first
revealed the existence of

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project sign and the estimate of
the situation.

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Yes.
Made out of situation.

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He officially coined.
The term.

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Unidentified flying object.
Alright, so he is really one of

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the pioneer?
Yeah, he’s in the history books.

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I mean, yeah, what he did at
Project Blue Book.

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They basically analyzed all of
these reports of UFOs.

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There were just thousands and
thousands of them.

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Them in the 50s and 60s.
And he streamlined the manner in

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which they were reported to, and
by military officials because he

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wanted to alleviate that stigma
that came with saying hey I saw

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UFO, right?
And as this project progresses,

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the government sort of turns
that around and makes the

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project just about being able to
stigmatize and discredit people

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who come out with reports like
this.

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Yeah, he The development of a
standard questionnaire for UFO

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Witnesses, and commissioned the
Battelle Memorial Institute to

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create the questionnaire and
computerized.

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The data used.
All of this data can to conduct

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a massive study of all Air Force
UFO cases completed in 1954.

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It was called Project Blue Book.
Special Report.

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Number 14, I thought the first
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We’re good.
Yeah, they were all right, a

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little dense.
The thing about this guy, he

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took the job.
Really seriously, if anyone got

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to like he wanted an objective
analysis of what was happening.

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Yeah.
And he didn’t want people who

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were kind of like with their
preconceived notions.

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Either way.
He didn’t want people who were

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to insistent that UFOs were real
and he didn’t want people who

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were to insist, right?
That they were fake.

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And if I knew would last time,
you don’t want too many molders,

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you don’t want too many stolen
eggs.

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Let’s get a whole team of
Skinner’s right now.

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I’m talking exactly.
And they’re all in.

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Also people from varying
different viewpoints like people

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who might lean one way or the
other but aren’t letting it

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affect their just right.
He issued regular press releases

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and monthly classified reports
and like we said possibly the

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last government official who
looked into UFOs in any sort of

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serious manner, did I imagine?
Or is there a trump thing with

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UFOs?
Like, when he got in there, he

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was like he said something very
Direct about, he’s like, if

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there’s UFOs, I’m gonna figure
it out.

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Let me get to them.
It wasn’t quite, as you said

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that.
Well, I know Clinton did because

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X-Files was huge.
He was just riding the times,

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but I swear to God, I think
Trump, when he thinking of

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Independence Day, oh, am I?
Oh okay.

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Sarah Sanders won’t say, whether
Trump believes in UFOs.

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What answer was asking about
this who was like, you know

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what?
We need to take it, take a brief

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time when the wars in the
pressure.

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That’s true.
Yeah, they should get that out

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of the way day one.
Yeah.

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But all the fringe science.
Come in and be like, UFOs.

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Let’s hear it.
So, let’s talk about the

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Robertson panel.
This is, this is the point where

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the government starts, sort of
turning on Project Blue Book

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where they they’re researching
this from a not skeptical and

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not to believing like sort of
like a Centrist sort of

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viewpoint on UFOs.
And this incident happens in

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July 1952.
It’s one of the more famous UFO.

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Fo incidents, where there’s just
all of these radar and visual

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sightings of unidentified,
flying objects around

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Washington.
D.c.

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Oh yes, that’s so awesome.
There’s seven of them, right?

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Yeah, they’re flying all over
the capital and shit fucking

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rules and it’s true.
That happens in 1952 and this

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led the CIA.
So fucking red flag alert, right

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there.
Led the CIA to establish a panel

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of scientists headed By dr.
HP Robertson.

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A physicist at the California
Institute of Technology.

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They first met in January 1953.
This part blows my fucking mind.

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They spent 12 hours, reviewing,
six years of data before

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concluding that most UFO reports
had real world explanations and

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that all of them could be
explained with a little more

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research.
But that doing that research.

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Wasn’t that important?
Yeah because no it’s not real

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dude, 12.
Bowers.

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Yeah, right.
That feels like the CIA saying

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hey will you go in and fucking
break this up?

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Yes, science.
This and tell us that it’s fake.

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Yeah, exactly.
Danger.

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What do you think?
Yeah, do you think Why?

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I’m gonna add it out when you
plug your patreon at the end.

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Oh my God.
Okay, all right, in college,

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like I always thought that like
crop circles were really pretty.

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My God, those are really cool.
What are they come from?

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And I looked into it and like,
it’s just it’s just two kids

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with a plank of wood and some
string, right?

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They didn’t just really
impressive stuff with that.

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So I was like, well, that sounds
dumb.

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That’s what I looked into when I
saw it, but I came across.

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This other thing called fairy
circles, which was something

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that was reported a lot in like
the Middle Ages in to do, you

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know the early 20th century
Yourself.

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And that’s like a little spot in
a field that was mysteriously

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flattened, and that’s what
eventually became.

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You know, people took that idea
and run with them and started

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doing like these crop circles
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But like that got me to this
book called and I don’t know if

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he’ll be able to find this
because it was hard to find back

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in the day but I’m is ons
pretty, you know, passport note

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to begonia terrible title for a
very very interesting book.

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The whole thesis is human beings
have been seeing visitors

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throughout our entire entire
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Yeah, those visitors have always
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advancement.
So like Olivia, I think you

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mentioned in the last episode,
you know, back in the day, they

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saw chariots and they see the
Gods coming down on chariots and

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there’d be great wheels of Fire
in the Sky and then like

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cartwheels.
And then they’d say, all right,

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there was these men and beasts
and on carts, flying through the

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air.
I remember they, the book opens

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with an example of finding this
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sarcophagus are coffin in Latin
America and like looking at it,

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it looks like a Mesoamerican
from the, you know, 1400s 13th

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century.
Whatever it is, is operating a

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spaceship?
Yeah, I’ve seen that.

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Yeah, but that’s just because
they didn’t know what they were

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looking at.
If you turn it from the side,

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you realize that, oh no, this
this figure is being birthed

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from the ground and there’s all
this like Crazy, like lava

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effects.
And that’s what people were

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misinterpreting as he’s
operating the spaceship.

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But I mean like so that’s all
they were just seeing a god

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birthing from a volcano.
Sure nothing weird.

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No, no.
And it’s a really it’s a really

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compelling image but the book
then goes on to talk about how

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like no human beings, see
visitors, there’s something in

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our mind.
It’s I’m sure it’s connected to

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our propensity to Faith, you
know, because people feel

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visitations from higher powers.
And I feel like a lot of Our

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foes, a lot of alien visitation
comes from that exact same place

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because it used to be fair, he’s
baby volcano Gods, it could be a

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baby volcano.
God who knows?

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Well it reminds me of the
airships of the early 1900’s.

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You guys know about the the
airships?

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Yeah, isn’t like yeah.
Like there’s a place in Texas

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that reported that like a big
Airship like crashed and they

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buried the the beings and the
Town Cemetery.

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But they’re that but similar to
wonder what you were talking

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about where It reflects the
technology or whatever and

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unfortunately, that Eric gave us
a steampunk.

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Oh yeah, there we go.
Best possible result.

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Is that I would say, just
speaking to that aspect of the

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of the descriptions of
extraterrestrial beings, crafts

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and things matching the
technology of the time, I think

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that could be just as easily
attributed.

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And I, I’m pretty in the middle
about most UFO sightings and

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that sort of thing.
There’s a few that Have been

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really compelling and there’s a
few that a lot more that have

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not been.
I think that’s why this whole

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field so funny but like exactly
but I believe it comes to.

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When it comes to that specific
point I would say it’s just as

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likely that perhaps, it’s just
them using the metaphors that

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they have available to them at
the time like flying saucers,

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you wouldn’t imagine that it’s
literally just a saucer in the

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sky.
Its this is the shape that we’re

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the, you know, the movement
pattern or whatever that you

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are.
So, Associating with it, and I

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feel like that.
I mean, sure, it could be, that

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it is this angering subconscious
thing, but it could also be a

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metaphor.
And I like so many of those

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texts, especially the religious
ones are buried under piles and

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piles of metaphor.
Right.

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My problem with the oh, they
just didn’t know what they were

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looking at.
Like that it requires all of

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these people to be really
primitive and stupid which they

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were does in some extent.
But but they also like had map

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Of the solar system.
Yeah how I mean if you study the

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sky long enough, you’ll see the
heavenly bodies moving around as

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they should but you’re not going
to get an empanada detailed molt

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that way.
I would actually, I would say

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that that would be giving
ancient astronomers a little too

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little credit yaffe.
What’s that’s always kind of my

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thing with the ancient.
All they had to do with the time

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was look up and be like, yeah,
that moved like so much of the

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Ancient Aliens thing to me is is
kind of disrespectful to ancient

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cultures.
She’s like, oh, how could these

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He’s Egyptians build this
pyramid.

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Like guy that took a long
fucking time but they managed

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when you look at some of that
not just the pyramids but there

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are some areas where the
stonework is shit.

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We can’t do today like yes, but
that doesn’t mean that they

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weren’t able to do it then
right.

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Yeah.
Right.

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But it doesn’t we don’t but it
does imply that they had some

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sort of Advanced Machinery that
we’re not familiar with.

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But also at the same time, we’ve
also lost Untold numbers of

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documents, right?
Talk about Library of

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Alexandria.
And then, you know, you a

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similar thing that I don’t think
anyone really tries to associate

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with aliens is the concept of
Damascus steel which is one of

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the strongest metals that humans
have ever created.

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And no one knows how to make it,
no one knows still to this day

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because the formula was lost in
some library.

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Right.
Right now Millennia ago, we

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talked about things like the
Greek Fire.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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I don’t disbelieve any person
that says, I saw this thing.

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I think they absolutely Saw what
they, what they claim to see.

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But I think that it’s entirely
possible that they saw something

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that their mind generated or
their mind, didn’t quite

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understand.
And that’s not me making a

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judgment call and say, like
they’re crazy because I think

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the human brain is set up to
receive Visions from other

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places or front like that.
That’s how we know.

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That’s where our our Instinct
for religion comes from, you

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know, we want to hear Or a
higher power.

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And on some of this is
confirmation bias where people,

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you know, they look at in
popular culture they see a

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little flying saucer thing and
they might see something, they

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don’t understand.
But I mean at the same time.

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Yeah.
Like that this book passport to

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meconium, which I can
wholeheartedly recommend

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everybody in this room, it’s
really fascinating.

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It just talking about how people
can see things without being

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crazy.
And if They don’t understand

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what they’re seeing.
The Mind makes up for that,

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right?
Yeah, this is definitely.

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And yeah.
And that’s a valid phenomenon

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and I think that’s mythology.
Yeah, it’s a filter for us to

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kind of approach and I think
that definitely explains a large

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number of UFO sightings, but I
think the ones that make UFOs.

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So interesting are the ones
where that doesn’t apply as

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easily.
The things where there are

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multiple confirmed Witnesses,
the things of will be talking

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about with the Spread glue book
where there are, you know,

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credible Witnesses, multiple
credible, Witnesses,

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technological confirmation, and
these sorts of things that

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confirm that there was a
phenomenon.

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We may, it may be aliens may not
but there was a thing there.

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Yeah.
And we can prove that.

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Yeah, we just don’t know what it
was and I just I feel like the

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explanation too many times comes
down to oh yes, a dozen people

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saw it, but none of them knew
what they were seeing, right?

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It was mass Hysteria Like I
don’t know.

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I feel like it can’t always be
Mass hysteria.

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That’s that’s insane.
So let’s get back to this

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fucking the Robertson panel
because this is what this is,

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like the first step in undoing
Project Blue Book, right?

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Which up to this point had been
legitimately looking into these

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things in a scientific way.
They like I said they review six

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years of data for 12 hours and
they come out with this final

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report that says, All of these
can be explained except for the

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ones that we can explain, which
we could explain, if we felt

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like it.
Yeah.

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And they suggest that the Air
Force gives up on investigating

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claims.
And instead focuses on a

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debunking campaign to lessen
public interest, they suggested

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debunker e, which is such a
great word.

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That’s fine through the mass
media, including Walt Disney

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Productions, and using
psychologists astronomers, and

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celebrities, to ridicule the
Amin on and put forth, prosaic,

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or real-world explanations.
By the way, the animation on you

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didn’t see anything.
Dipshit is just weirdly racist.

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Yeah.
And then the follow up, you

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stupid rube, that was swamp gas.
Some of Disney’s finest work.

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It also recommended that
civilian UFO groups, quote,

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should be watched because of the
potentially great influence on

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mass thinking that seems like
conflict to me.

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They’re like yeah, none of this
matters but also keep an eye on

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the people who are spreading
this.

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Yeah.
Also, the people most concerned

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with, with mass thinking, try to
get rid of other people.

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I don’t know, is it?
We can do that?

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Yeah, that’s our thing.
Everyone’s brain is very

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America.
In the 50s of, we’re going to

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have nuclear bombs and no one
else can so, yeah, for sure.

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I feel like it’s kind of wishful
thinking though to think that

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UFO groups.
Soooo could have a influence on

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mess thinking because right?
They’ve never really.

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Oh, yeah, it looks like that
shit when, you know, they sent

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like, you know, CIA or FBI or
somebody to investigate like,

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peace groups, and San Francisco.
And it was like, 60 year old

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women, baking brownies like
talking about how that Iraq Wars

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was a bad idea.
Like, was it really necessary to

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send in the fucking fast for
this?

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The only the only thing that I
think would make a difference

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then is people just Have as much
to do back then.

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Oh yeah.
Like there’s like there were

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like one or two TV channels like
three channels the radiant like

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you didn’t tell makes him
jealous and again all this shit

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that we have.
So like a UFO group, that’s the

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thing that could probably pick
up fifty, sixty thousand

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members.
So in December 1953 a joint Army

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Navy Air, Force regulation, 146
made it a crime for military

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personnel to discuss Classified
UFO reports with unauthorized,

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persons violators, faced up, to
two years in prison, and/or

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fines of up to ten thousand
dollars and in 1953, also the

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Air Force issued regulation
200-250 Airbase officers to

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publicly discuss UFO incidents.
Only if they were judged to have

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been solved and to classify all
the unsolved cases to keep them

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out of the public eye.
So this really doesn’t sound

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like there’s nothing to worry.
About Ray.

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Yeah, none of this makes it seem
like the government or at least

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honestly believes there’s
nothing here.

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Nothing that the government
would worry about because that’s

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right, I don’t necessarily think
that like, your average American

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would perceive UFOs as a threat
but like, right government is

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especially in the 50s is keyed
up to any type of external Riot

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and whoops.
So the important UFO cases,

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which I don’t know how they
defined that at the time,

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because again, we’re talking
about, they’re saying, well, no,

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let’s start like debunking this,
but also there’s important UFO

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cases.
Yeah.

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Like, would there be important
UFO cases if they were so

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convinced that UFOs weren’t a
thing, right?

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And they start siphoning.
The more high-profile cases away

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from Project Blue Book.
So then everything Project Blue

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Book gets to investigate is like
the bullshit where it’s just

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like weather balloons.
Zeke’s.

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That’s kind of where I would
want to come in and work for

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Project.
Blue Book is like you know just

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getting real shit sounds hard
but I would love to just go

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interview.
People who’s like a fucking seen

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three of them.
All right.

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They was they was flying then
they crashed and then I mean was

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was I drunk?
Yes.

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Did my warmer and leave?
Yes, but I sir, you know, that’s

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what I want.
Yeah, interview those guys.

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Yeah, you maybe wouldn’t want to
see the real stuff?

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00:24:19,600 –> 00:24:20,700
No.
Because then you’re going to be

440
00:24:20,700 –> 00:24:22,300
like, fuck.
We’re doomed, aren’t we?

441
00:24:22,400 –> 00:24:24,800
Yeah.
Yeah, no one can explain this.

442
00:24:25,100 –> 00:24:26,800
It’d be like getting that job at
Facebook.

443
00:24:26,800 –> 00:24:30,100
Where you have to review images
that have been reported.

444
00:24:30,100 –> 00:24:31,800
Yeah.
Oh, I want that job dude.

445
00:24:33,200 –> 00:24:36,200
There there have been articles.
There’s actually a, someone

446
00:24:36,200 –> 00:24:39,600
filed, a lawsuit against
Facebook, because Facebook was

447
00:24:39,600 –> 00:24:42,100
using contractors to do those
jobs.

448
00:24:42,100 –> 00:24:45,100
Oh my God, and they were
basically bringing people in

449
00:24:45,100 –> 00:24:47,400
like, a Blackwater guy with,
like, wraparound Oakley’s.

450
00:24:47,400 –> 00:24:49,500
Just like fuck you, bro.
That is racist.

451
00:24:49,500 –> 00:24:52,200
They were bringing people in,
but it’s not the racist shit.

452
00:24:52,200 –> 00:24:56,200
They were Bringing people in for
like, six months at a time and

453
00:24:56,200 –> 00:24:59,100
their entire job for six months
was to look at fucking

454
00:24:59,100 –> 00:25:04,500
beheadings and bestiality and
child porn, and all of us really

455
00:25:04,500 –> 00:25:07,800
Facebook.
Yes, they’re the people who when

456
00:25:07,800 –> 00:25:11,600
someone posts this shit, they go
and take it down, but that also

457
00:25:11,600 –> 00:25:15,900
means your job is seeing all of
this day after day, okay?

458
00:25:15,900 –> 00:25:18,800
And you get done with that job
in like a lot of these people

459
00:25:18,800 –> 00:25:21,900
have PTSD will see similar to
Project Blue Book, like, I don’t

460
00:25:21,900 –> 00:25:23,800
want to see that.
That exactly.

461
00:25:23,800 –> 00:25:26,600
I want to see where it was just
like well that bitch thinks

462
00:25:26,600 –> 00:25:28,100
she’s hot shit.
I’m a reporter.

463
00:25:28,100 –> 00:25:29,900
Just fuck her and it’s just
sweet.

464
00:25:29,900 –> 00:25:31,900
I like the weird reports.
This you want to be like the

465
00:25:31,900 –> 00:25:34,300
Judge Judy of it.
Yeah, yeah we’re like alright,

466
00:25:34,300 –> 00:25:35,800
you two just need to work it
out.

467
00:25:35,800 –> 00:25:37,900
All right.
This is a ridiculous case.

468
00:25:37,900 –> 00:25:39,600
Don’t piss on my leg and tell me
it’s raining.

469
00:25:40,300 –> 00:25:47,100
So yeah, by doing all of this,
the the Robertson, the Robertson

470
00:25:47,100 –> 00:25:51,700
panel, basically they undercut
Project, Blue Book, and

471
00:25:51,700 –> 00:25:55,100
basically ended Any meaningful
investigation that they could

472
00:25:55,100 –> 00:25:57,700
do.
And So eventually repeal

473
00:25:58,000 –> 00:26:02,600
requests for reassignment and
for the remainder of the

474
00:26:02,600 –> 00:26:07,300
Project, Blue Book was headed by
directors who either just

475
00:26:07,300 –> 00:26:11,000
vehement Lee disagreed with the
idea that UFOs existed.

476
00:26:11,000 –> 00:26:14,700
Or if they did, maybe feel like
they were on board with it, the

477
00:26:14,708 –> 00:26:16,600
government would just cut their
funding, right?

478
00:26:16,600 –> 00:26:21,600
So again it’s a lot like the EPA
where bias like if you’re in

479
00:26:21,600 –> 00:26:25,100
charge and you You think global
warming is a hoax, the

480
00:26:25,108 –> 00:26:27,300
government’s going to support
you because our current

481
00:26:27,300 –> 00:26:30,500
Administration wants global
warming to be a hoax, right?

482
00:26:30,500 –> 00:26:33,100
But they also went to the EPA
and we’re like, don’t write

483
00:26:33,100 –> 00:26:36,000
about global warming.
Just like the CDC can’t write

484
00:26:36,000 –> 00:26:37,900
about gun violence.
Yeah.

485
00:26:37,900 –> 00:26:41,700
Like, they’re not allowed to do
any studies into gun violence.

486
00:26:41,700 –> 00:26:44,700
And that’s our government.
That is like, no will take your

487
00:26:44,700 –> 00:26:46,500
money away.
If you look into gun violence

488
00:26:46,500 –> 00:26:49,500
right, which is fucked because
in both cases, the Army is doing

489
00:26:49,500 –> 00:26:52,500
both of those things and be
like, hey we’re preparing

490
00:26:52,700 –> 00:26:56,200
Actively for when the Seas rise
and no one has anywhere to go,

491
00:26:56,400 –> 00:26:57,100
you know.
Yeah.

492
00:26:57,100 –> 00:27:00,200
And also they’re looking into,
you know how post-traumatic

493
00:27:00,200 –> 00:27:04,300
stress can like affect people
who go fucking nuts and and

494
00:27:04,300 –> 00:27:06,500
right shoot up a buck in school
because it happened to them at

495
00:27:06,500 –> 00:27:09,100
Fort Hood.
So you can’t, you know, it’s one

496
00:27:09,100 –> 00:27:11,900
of those things where so if you
want to dig into a juicy

497
00:27:11,900 –> 00:27:15,500
conspiracy look into mefloquine,
it is a drug.

498
00:27:15,500 –> 00:27:16,800
Yeah.
We did an episode about it.

499
00:27:16,800 –> 00:27:20,400
If you’re gonna say we did a
bunch of it impose fucking crazy

500
00:27:20,400 –> 00:27:24,900
anti-malaria drug.
That for for starters, they used

501
00:27:24,900 –> 00:27:27,800
it to torture people at
Guantanamo Bay because it gives

502
00:27:27,800 –> 00:27:33,100
you like a wild hair loosened
Nations and things but it also

503
00:27:33,100 –> 00:27:37,300
has been implicated in a lot of
like Army and Military related

504
00:27:37,300 –> 00:27:40,300
mass shootings and shit because
people have to take it when

505
00:27:40,300 –> 00:27:43,600
they’re going somewhere that
yeah might have malaria and you

506
00:27:43,608 –> 00:27:47,100
have to take like you have to
keep taking it and it’s not

507
00:27:47,100 –> 00:27:50,300
meant to be taken that.
Yeah, drives people insane.

508
00:27:50,300 –> 00:27:52,500
See, I just I miss the British
way of dealing with me.

509
00:27:52,700 –> 00:27:56,300
Area which was inventing the Jen
and tonic did that work sort of

510
00:27:58,600 –> 00:28:04,100
repeal requested reassignment
and so by the time Project Blue

511
00:28:04,100 –> 00:28:08,700
Book, Special Report, number 14
comes out, he’s already gone.

512
00:28:08,700 –> 00:28:12,900
Yeah and this is a special
report number 14.

513
00:28:12,900 –> 00:28:17,000
It was a massive statistical
analysis of the blue bookcases

514
00:28:17,300 –> 00:28:21,500
completed in 1954.
They divided all of the reports

515
00:28:21,500 –> 00:28:26,500
of UFOs in Into categories,
knowns unknowns and insufficient

516
00:28:26,500 –> 00:28:28,900
information.
They broke down the knowns and

517
00:28:28,900 –> 00:28:33,700
unknowns into four categories of
quality from poor to excellent.

518
00:28:33,800 –> 00:28:38,800
And the criteria for unknowns
was especially, yeah, stringent,

519
00:28:38,800 –> 00:28:42,100
because they didn’t want to go
public and say, we don’t know

520
00:28:42,100 –> 00:28:44,900
what this is if they, like,
could explain it obviously,

521
00:28:44,900 –> 00:28:45,900
right?
Because that would undermine

522
00:28:45,900 –> 00:28:50,900
your credibility and the main
results about 69 percent of the

523
00:28:50,900 –> 00:28:52,000
cases.
Nice.

524
00:28:52,700 –> 00:28:56,800
Judged known or identified 38%
were conclusively.

525
00:28:56,800 –> 00:29:00,500
Identified while 31% were still,
doubtfully explained nine

526
00:29:00,500 –> 00:29:04,900
percent fell into insufficient
information about 22% were

527
00:29:04,900 –> 00:29:08,800
deemed unknown and that number
is important because when the

528
00:29:09,200 –> 00:29:12,700
Air Force reports on this later
they change that number to

529
00:29:12,700 –> 00:29:16,100
something like three ads like
two or three percent, which

530
00:29:16,300 –> 00:29:21,300
there’s no reason to do that.
Yeah, unless you’re weird trying

531
00:29:21,300 –> 00:29:23,600
to divert, At people’s
attention.

532
00:29:23,600 –> 00:29:26,600
Yeah, from something every,
every public statement that

533
00:29:26,600 –> 00:29:30,400
they’ve made about those actual
numbers has been like not what’s

534
00:29:30,400 –> 00:29:34,000
in the actual report, right?
Which is weird considering very

535
00:29:34,000 –> 00:29:35,900
weird.
Like that’s the whole thing

536
00:29:35,900 –> 00:29:40,800
about this report.
So yeah, in the known category

537
00:29:40,800 –> 00:29:44,700
86% of the nones were aircraft
balloons or had astronomical

538
00:29:44,700 –> 00:29:48,800
explanations only 1.5 percent of
all cases were judged to be

539
00:29:48,800 –> 00:29:53,200
psychological or crackpot cases,
which that’s Sing to me too.

540
00:29:53,200 –> 00:29:56,400
Because that’s like the go-to
argument is until this fucking

541
00:29:56,600 –> 00:29:59,200
crazy person saw star.
Yeah.

542
00:29:59,300 –> 00:30:02,800
And we don’t have to listen to
them, the higher, the quality of

543
00:30:02,800 –> 00:30:06,200
the case, the more likely it was
to be classified as unknown,

544
00:30:06,300 –> 00:30:09,200
which is another really
interesting statistic, right?

545
00:30:09,200 –> 00:30:12,800
So that what they’re basically
saying there is the more

546
00:30:12,800 –> 00:30:17,800
witnesses to these things.
There are the less we know about

547
00:30:17,800 –> 00:30:22,900
them, which that, that kind of
makes the the argument that At

548
00:30:22,900 –> 00:30:24,600
the ones, we don’t know about
that.

549
00:30:24,600 –> 00:30:27,500
Also happened to have, like, the
most Witnesses in the best

550
00:30:27,500 –> 00:30:28,600
entails.
Yeah.

551
00:30:29,000 –> 00:30:33,000
So, what is that?
Also, the ones that they, that’s

552
00:30:33,000 –> 00:30:37,100
the number that they the Air
Force constantly plays down and

553
00:30:37,200 –> 00:30:38,400
write severely.
Minimizes.

554
00:30:38,500 –> 00:30:43,700
Yeah, looks like, oh, a bunch of
priests and a cops and and

555
00:30:43,700 –> 00:30:46,300
judges saw an alien.
Do a back flip off the high

556
00:30:46,300 –> 00:30:48,300
dive, no need to investigate
that.

557
00:30:49,200 –> 00:30:54,300
So what’s really crazy about
this report is Statistics don’t

558
00:30:54,300 –> 00:30:56,900
point to there’s nothing here,
right?

559
00:30:56,900 –> 00:31:01,600
Like there’s a lot of unknowns
that they like they looked into

560
00:31:01,600 –> 00:31:04,500
very seriously and we’re never
able to come up with an

561
00:31:04,500 –> 00:31:07,400
explanation for it.
But then the summary section of

562
00:31:07,400 –> 00:31:11,800
this report, which again, was
released after repel left said

563
00:31:11,800 –> 00:31:15,200
it was quote, highly improbable
that any of the reports of the

564
00:31:15,200 –> 00:31:19,300
unidentified aerial objects,
represent observations of

565
00:31:19,300 –> 00:31:22,300
technological, developments
outside the range of present

566
00:31:22,300 –> 00:31:23,800
day.
Day knowledge.

567
00:31:24,000 –> 00:31:26,800
And what a lot of researchers
have pointed out is that their

568
00:31:27,200 –> 00:31:29,100
summary in their final
conclusion?

569
00:31:29,100 –> 00:31:31,600
It doesn’t match their research,
right?

570
00:31:31,700 –> 00:31:35,800
As if they were either, they
didn’t want to accept what they

571
00:31:35,800 –> 00:31:38,000
had found.
Yeah, that shit.

572
00:31:38,000 –> 00:31:41,600
This is extraterrestrial.
Or that someone again, in the

573
00:31:41,600 –> 00:31:44,800
government was like, no, that’s
not the direction you’re going

574
00:31:44,800 –> 00:31:45,800
to take this.
Yeah.

575
00:31:45,800 –> 00:31:48,600
You’re going to write this and
say there’s no evidence.

576
00:31:48,600 –> 00:31:51,600
We didn’t find anything and they
know that people mostly just

577
00:31:51,600 –> 00:31:53,900
read the beginning.
An end of the really long

578
00:31:53,900 –> 00:31:55,300
report.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

579
00:31:55,300 –> 00:31:56,900
Yeah.
That happened to me in college a

580
00:31:56,900 –> 00:31:58,600
lot.
You know, you’d write the the

581
00:31:58,600 –> 00:32:00,200
abstract first.
Yeah.

582
00:32:00,200 –> 00:32:02,700
And then you’d actually read the
book as you’re writing the paper

583
00:32:02,700 –> 00:32:04,900
because you actually read it in
the first place there.

584
00:32:04,900 –> 00:32:06,900
Like oh William Blake didn’t
mean that at all.

585
00:32:08,700 –> 00:32:12,200
Have a great degree guys.
So literature.

586
00:32:12,600 –> 00:32:15,200
It’s at this point.
I don’t have the guy’s name in

587
00:32:15,200 –> 00:32:16,700
the notes.
What was 0?

588
00:32:16,900 –> 00:32:19,100
J Allen hynek.
Right dr.

589
00:32:19,100 –> 00:32:20,900
J Allen.
Hynek who was brought on with

590
00:32:20,900 –> 00:32:25,300
the Robertson report?
The Robertson panel but then the

591
00:32:25,300 –> 00:32:30,300
Robertson panel sent him to work
for project sign, right?

592
00:32:30,300 –> 00:32:37,600
As a associate investigator or
whatever is title was and he was

593
00:32:37,600 –> 00:32:42,200
with this project through from
sign, through Grudge and all the

594
00:32:42,208 –> 00:32:44,300
way to the end of Blue Book,
right?

595
00:32:44,700 –> 00:32:50,200
And he came in as a super
hardcore, skeptic just came in

596
00:32:50,200 –> 00:32:52,500
thinking, all of this is bunk
none.

597
00:32:52,600 –> 00:32:55,800
This is real.
This is all you know, there’s a

598
00:32:55,800 –> 00:32:58,300
rational explanation for
everything, right.

599
00:32:58,400 –> 00:33:02,100
And what’s interesting about him
is, he’s probably seen more of

600
00:33:02,100 –> 00:33:08,300
these reports than anyone else.
And his general idea now has

601
00:33:08,300 –> 00:33:12,000
completely shifted to where he
thinks that there are actually a

602
00:33:12,000 –> 00:33:16,200
decent number of these cases
that are reliable.

603
00:33:16,200 –> 00:33:19,700
And right, and could be true.
Yeah, and I think that’s

604
00:33:19,700 –> 00:33:24,500
compelling like that for sure.
Like Who would know better than

605
00:33:24,500 –> 00:33:27,600
the people who actually saw this
stuff and worked on it.

606
00:33:27,700 –> 00:33:33,100
And I think with him, especially
like he when this this final

607
00:33:33,100 –> 00:33:37,000
report came out, I think, at the
time even he was still kind of

608
00:33:37,300 –> 00:33:41,200
like that on the fence and then
a few years later was like, I

609
00:33:41,200 –> 00:33:42,400
thought about it a little more.
Yeah.

610
00:33:42,400 –> 00:33:45,000
He’s views are really
interesting and they definitely

611
00:33:45,000 –> 00:33:48,200
they evolved very slowly over
time.

612
00:33:48,200 –> 00:33:53,800
But in a way that is believable
as someone who Receiving

613
00:33:53,800 –> 00:33:58,400
evidence that he was always very
candid about his commanding

614
00:33:58,400 –> 00:34:04,300
officers and he said that it was
only repelled and later died

615
00:34:04,300 –> 00:34:08,699
Captain friend I believe he’s
not an alien.

616
00:34:08,800 –> 00:34:16,000
Yeah, no Mage.
Major friend major, major human

617
00:34:16,000 –> 00:34:20,199
friend.
I am your friend major Fred but

618
00:34:20,199 –> 00:34:23,600
he had he’s those are the only
two People who headed the

619
00:34:23,600 –> 00:34:27,600
project that he had respect for.
He said in my contacts with him,

620
00:34:27,699 –> 00:34:31,000
I found him to be honest.
And seriously puzzled about the

621
00:34:31,100 –> 00:34:35,600
whole phenomenon and of friend,
he wrote of all the officers, I

622
00:34:35,600 –> 00:34:39,699
worked with in Blue Book,
definitely a human being, he is

623
00:34:39,699 –> 00:34:46,199
the one who has the most human
characteristics, definitely he

624
00:34:46,199 –> 00:34:48,600
earned my respect, whatever,
private views.

625
00:34:48,600 –> 00:34:52,300
He may have held, he was a total
and practical realist.

626
00:34:52,600 –> 00:34:54,699
Sitting where he could see the
scoreboard.

627
00:34:54,699 –> 00:34:58,000
You recognize the limitations of
his office, but conducted

628
00:34:58,000 –> 00:35:01,600
himself with dignity and a total
lack of the bombast that

629
00:35:01,600 –> 00:35:04,000
characterize several of the
other Blue Book head.

630
00:35:04,000 –> 00:35:06,600
And then he took his glasses off
and I stare deeply into his

631
00:35:06,600 –> 00:35:12,800
spiraling eyeballs in between
this the Robertson panel coming

632
00:35:12,800 –> 00:35:19,400
out and Bluebook issuing.
This report number 14, repelled,

633
00:35:19,400 –> 00:35:22,400
leaves, and blue book is taken
over.

634
00:35:22,500 –> 00:35:25,700
By a series of people who just
don’t give a shit like the

635
00:35:25,700 –> 00:35:29,900
government, it basically becomes
government policy.

636
00:35:30,200 –> 00:35:35,200
That blue book is now debunking
UFO stories as opposed to

637
00:35:35,200 –> 00:35:39,300
researching them which again,
nothing weird about it.

638
00:35:39,300 –> 00:35:42,800
Yeah.
Nothing off about that at all.

639
00:35:43,000 –> 00:35:47,400
And last thing we’ll talk about
quick the Condon committee.

640
00:35:47,500 –> 00:35:50,700
This is what finally kills
Project Blue Book.

641
00:35:50,700 –> 00:35:54,300
Yeah.
And it was Did by the Air Force

642
00:35:54,300 –> 00:35:58,300
carried out at the University of
Colorado, UFO project, formed

643
00:35:58,300 –> 00:36:02,400
after 1966, Congressional
hearings about another outbreak

644
00:36:02,400 –> 00:36:06,000
of UFO, sightings, I believe
these were in Connecticut and it

645
00:36:06,000 –> 00:36:09,400
was directed by physicist,
Edward Condon that research

646
00:36:09,400 –> 00:36:14,800
produced the Condon report in
1968 1485 pages in hardcover.

647
00:36:15,100 –> 00:36:20,100
965 in paperback released,
January 1969.

648
00:36:20,400 –> 00:36:24,900
And I mean, obviously, At 1,400
Pages, there’s a lot to dig

649
00:36:24,900 –> 00:36:27,800
through.
But this was the General thesis

650
00:36:27,900 –> 00:36:31,100
of that study.
Our general conclusion is that

651
00:36:31,100 –> 00:36:34,600
nothing has come from the study
of UFOs in the past 21 years

652
00:36:34,900 –> 00:36:37,000
that has added scientific
knowledge.

653
00:36:37,200 –> 00:36:40,300
Careful consideration of the
record as it is available to us.

654
00:36:40,600 –> 00:36:44,600
Leads us to conclude that
further extensive study of UFOs,

655
00:36:44,800 –> 00:36:48,100
probably cannot be justified in
the expectation.

656
00:36:48,100 –> 00:36:51,700
That science will be Advanced
there by and this is one of the

657
00:36:51,700 –> 00:36:55,100
defining.
Moments in UFO research history.

658
00:36:55,300 –> 00:37:00,400
Because this is the moment where
every fucking like, skeptic,

659
00:37:00,400 –> 00:37:04,300
borderline, skeptic like
scientist, anyone, this is their

660
00:37:04,300 –> 00:37:07,800
thing that they point to and go
see this guy studied it, and he

661
00:37:07,800 –> 00:37:10,500
says, it’s not true.
Well fucking Project Blue Book,

662
00:37:10,500 –> 00:37:14,700
studied IT project sign, studied
it for a year and was like, no,

663
00:37:14,700 –> 00:37:18,300
it’s real seems true.
So how do you decide who you

664
00:37:18,300 –> 00:37:20,700
believe?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

665
00:37:21,000 –> 00:37:26,100
And it was but it’s still to
this day pointed to as the thing

666
00:37:26,100 –> 00:37:29,400
that basically killed UFO
research.

667
00:37:29,400 –> 00:37:31,600
Yeah.
Well this country Project Blue

668
00:37:31,600 –> 00:37:36,100
Book itself was more interesting
from almost like an office work

669
00:37:36,100 –> 00:37:38,900
standpoint.
Like imagine your day job for

670
00:37:38,900 –> 00:37:43,600
years and years, just being to
go into work and look at UFO

671
00:37:43,600 –> 00:37:47,200
reports and decide I did.
What’s really most of my life?

672
00:37:47,200 –> 00:37:52,300
Yeah yeah.
And so it’s the Condon report,

673
00:37:52,500 –> 00:37:56,800
Eventually kills it.
And to this day, the Air Force’s

674
00:37:57,600 –> 00:38:01,000
standard answer if they’re asked
about Project Blue Book and what

675
00:38:01,000 –> 00:38:04,900
they found, no UFO reported
investigated and evaluated by

676
00:38:04,900 –> 00:38:09,000
the Air Force was ever an
indication of a threat to our

677
00:38:09,000 –> 00:38:12,400
national security to comforting.
There was no evidence submitted

678
00:38:12,400 –> 00:38:15,500
to or discovered by the air
force that sightings categorized

679
00:38:15,500 –> 00:38:19,600
as unidentified represented
technological developments or

680
00:38:19,600 –> 00:38:22,300
principles beyond the range of
modern scientific.

681
00:38:22,400 –> 00:38:24,900
Knowledge.
And there was no evidence

682
00:38:24,900 –> 00:38:28,300
indicating that sightings
categorized as unidentified

683
00:38:28,400 –> 00:38:31,600
where extraterrestrial Vehicles.
Well, there you have it and well

684
00:38:31,700 –> 00:38:35,300
and major friend was not a
12-foot, tall alien from the

685
00:38:35,300 –> 00:38:38,100
planet lumo in a suit.
There’s a lot more to Project

686
00:38:38,100 –> 00:38:39,900
Blue Book obviously that we
don’t have.

687
00:38:40,200 –> 00:38:42,800
We don’t have all goddamn day.
I do tweet at me.

688
00:38:42,800 –> 00:38:45,600
At Rivers language, won’t talk
Project Blue Book, baby.

689
00:38:45,600 –> 00:38:48,000
I’m down to talk.
I find it, I find it really

690
00:38:48,100 –> 00:38:50,400
fascinating.
It’s really the only kinds of

691
00:38:50,400 –> 00:38:52,300
conspiracy theories that I can
even engage.

692
00:38:52,500 –> 00:38:56,100
Because now, they’re all, so
boring, it’s just the Jews and

693
00:38:56,100 –> 00:38:59,800
it’s like that.
That’s so such a boring

694
00:38:59,800 –> 00:39:02,000
conspiracy, at least make a
blizzards.

695
00:39:02,000 –> 00:39:06,200
Yeah, exactly.
George Soros is its, he’s paying

696
00:39:06,200 –> 00:39:09,100
to make people say that they’re
mad at the president.

697
00:39:09,100 –> 00:39:12,300
Yeah, that that’s the pay Proto.
He’s are like, those are like

698
00:39:12,300 –> 00:39:15,000
the hot conspiracy.
No sucks.

699
00:39:15,000 –> 00:39:17,600
We need to return to the 90s
when the hot conspiracies were

700
00:39:17,600 –> 00:39:20,000
about Area. 51.
Yes, exactly.

701
00:39:20,700 –> 00:39:25,000
So that’s our episode about
About Project Blue Book, go out

702
00:39:25,000 –> 00:39:28,600
and just fucking Google it.
Yeah read up more on it.

703
00:39:28,900 –> 00:39:31,800
Be careful that second link for
Project Blue Book.

704
00:39:31,800 –> 00:39:34,600
If you Google it definitely a
porn site that’s going to give

705
00:39:34,600 –> 00:39:36,900
you some viruses.
I don’t remember if it’s project

706
00:39:36,900 –> 00:39:41,300
sign or Project Blue Book but I
was like just starting to Google

707
00:39:41,600 –> 00:39:45,800
in the second link like the
second fucking Google search.

708
00:39:45,900 –> 00:39:51,200
Was this totally like fraudulent
oh UFO evidence and I click it

709
00:39:51,200 –> 00:39:54,900
and it’s like my In screen just
lights up when hey you’ve won

710
00:39:54,900 –> 00:39:57,400
ten thousand dollars sounds
Commander at Oriole.

711
00:39:57,600 –> 00:39:59,700
Yeah.
Hey and they’re just put those

712
00:39:59,700 –> 00:40:05,200
pop-ups is a distraction.
Notice the shit I look down.

713
00:40:05,200 –> 00:40:08,300
My keyboard was mutilated poured
out.

714
00:40:08,300 –> 00:40:13,700
Its asshole, really weird.
Light our thyroid.

715
00:40:14,700 –> 00:40:17,800
This this episode is going to be
really timely though because the

716
00:40:17,800 –> 00:40:22,300
History Channel is making a
drama series called.

717
00:40:22,400 –> 00:40:26,900
Project Blue Book and it’s their
main characters gonna be dr.

718
00:40:26,900 –> 00:40:28,800
J Allen hynek.
So that’s awesome.

719
00:40:28,800 –> 00:40:32,600
Could be really interesting.
I’m sure Olivia I’m sure you’re

720
00:40:32,600 –> 00:40:35,100
on board as much as I am with
that.

721
00:40:35,100 –> 00:40:37,800
And then I believe if it isn’t
already on it’s coming out there

722
00:40:37,800 –> 00:40:40,100
doing a Jack Parsons shows.
Oh nice.

723
00:40:40,200 –> 00:40:42,900
I saw a strange angel.
I think.

724
00:40:42,900 –> 00:40:46,400
Yeah so these playing I just saw
it on a billboard as I was

725
00:40:46,400 –> 00:40:49,000
driving and I was like yeah
that’s another thing that I’ve

726
00:40:49,000 –> 00:40:50,200
always thought would make a good
show.

727
00:40:50,200 –> 00:40:52,300
Yeah.
You and I are sympatico in our

728
00:40:52,500 –> 00:40:55,900
Appreciation of mid-century,
modern weirdness sole, it’s all

729
00:40:55,900 –> 00:40:57,800
coming.
True, the world’s ending but

730
00:40:57,800 –> 00:40:59,400
we’re getting some good TV
goddamn.

731
00:40:59,400 –> 00:41:00,600
Yeah.
Hey there you go.

732
00:41:02,100 –> 00:41:04,400
What are we have to plug before
we get out of here?

733
00:41:05,000 –> 00:41:08,000
Patreon.com on pops.
You get two bonus episodes of

734
00:41:08,008 –> 00:41:11,600
this podcast every month
including last week’s episode

735
00:41:11,600 –> 00:41:14,100
patreon only.
Which is about project sign.

736
00:41:14,100 –> 00:41:16,600
Yeah that’s right.
It’s a precursor to Project Blue

737
00:41:16,600 –> 00:41:23,000
Book and also I don’t know if by
the time this goes Up.

738
00:41:23,100 –> 00:41:26,500
November 17th.
I’m on the Two, Dads comedy.

739
00:41:26,500 –> 00:41:29,900
Trivia show hosted by Jen Scott
and Jessica singer.

740
00:41:30,000 –> 00:41:33,300
Oh, fun.
I am planning to murder

741
00:41:33,300 –> 00:41:36,000
motherfuckers.
Yeah, at trivia and you like not

742
00:41:36,000 –> 00:41:38,800
literal murder.
I’m gonna fucking, I’m gonna

743
00:41:38,800 –> 00:41:43,400
have some answers to that ass.
Can we play trivia sometime?

744
00:41:43,400 –> 00:41:44,100
Like fuck?
Yeah.

745
00:41:44,100 –> 00:41:48,900
I’ve been trying to find a good
trivia partner for Alex Schmidt,

746
00:41:49,100 –> 00:41:51,500
huh?
Alex Schmidt who’s our Sports,

747
00:41:51,500 –> 00:41:54,200
rigorous schmidty us Is he?
I got support.

748
00:41:54,200 –> 00:41:55,100
Okay, yeah, of course.
Yeah.

749
00:41:55,100 –> 00:41:56,300
Duh.
We got this weird.

750
00:41:56,300 –> 00:41:58,000
Yeah.
L.a. were coming for your ass.

751
00:41:58,000 –> 00:42:00,600
Our track.
I’m in Olivia.

752
00:42:00,600 –> 00:42:04,100
What do you have to plug?
You can check out my Twitter at

753
00:42:04,100 –> 00:42:05,400
hi there.
Hi darts.

754
00:42:05,400 –> 00:42:06,800
H.
AI Dar.

755
00:42:07,100 –> 00:42:10,000
And I talk about a lot of
bullshit danger.

756
00:42:10,500 –> 00:42:14,000
Hi, ya, go to
patreon.com/crashcourse

757
00:42:14,000 –> 00:42:16,300
thousands?
We are launching a patreon to

758
00:42:16,300 –> 00:42:20,500
support writing a punk rock,
musical called election, a punk

759
00:42:20,500 –> 00:42:23,800
rock, it’s re-election.
A post-apocalyptic musical.

760
00:42:23,900 –> 00:42:25,400
It’s going to be awesome.
It’s really great.

761
00:42:25,400 –> 00:42:28,400
We also just released a new song
called Space.

762
00:42:28,400 –> 00:42:32,900
Nazis Must Die guest verse from
Professor Elemental.

763
00:42:32,900 –> 00:42:36,600
All the way from England is
really good is really as my

764
00:42:36,600 –> 00:42:38,400
favorites on?
Do you feel like focusing on

765
00:42:38,400 –> 00:42:40,300
Space Nazis when there’s so many
ground?

766
00:42:40,300 –> 00:42:43,400
Nazis is sort of I think it’s a,
you know, I think it’s a really

767
00:42:43,400 –> 00:42:45,700
good bridge for a lot of people
to say, okay, you know, we can

768
00:42:45,700 –> 00:42:49,800
definitely kill the Space Nazis.
Maybe we can then have a

769
00:42:49,800 –> 00:42:52,300
conversation because there’s a
lot of people who think that.

770
00:42:52,300 –> 00:42:53,800
They’re still good on both
sides.

771
00:42:53,900 –> 00:42:55,800
Hmm.
Adam the be the good on both

772
00:42:55,800 –> 00:42:58,900
sides of the Nazi.
It’s / 9, not teeth debate, we

773
00:42:58,900 –> 00:43:01,300
feel otherwise.
But I think that we could

774
00:43:01,300 –> 00:43:05,000
probably get some of those folks
to open up and remain are really

775
00:43:05,000 –> 00:43:07,500
talking about on this part of
the past 70 years.

776
00:43:07,500 –> 00:43:10,700
Well, I mean, I weird been
looking into that kind of thing

777
00:43:10,800 –> 00:43:13,500
that is so weird.
I read a book once and we talked

778
00:43:13,500 –> 00:43:18,300
about it earlier so All right,
let’s get the fuck out of here.

779
00:43:18,300 –> 00:43:20,100
Olivia, say goodbye.
Let me see.

780
00:43:21,100 –> 00:43:22,800
Hey, can I plug?
Oh.

781
00:43:24,500 –> 00:43:26,300
Oh, that’s right.
You haven’t plugged in some

782
00:43:26,900 –> 00:43:32,300
strange very because you’ve?
Yeah no you cannot.

783
00:43:32,400 –> 00:43:34,400
I want to tell him.
I’m going to be in Nashville.

784
00:43:38,100 –> 00:43:38,800
Oh yeah.
Yeah.

785
00:43:38,800 –> 00:43:40,400
Not to have to drive through
Fyffe.

786
00:43:40,400 –> 00:43:43,800
Al Alabama has a very famous
rest in peace 5.

787
00:43:43,900 –> 00:43:48,500
Uh-huh, phife dawg.
This is a fight that Bill Hicks

788
00:43:48,500 –> 00:43:50,500
reference is actually on where
he’s like.

789
00:43:50,600 –> 00:43:52,500
I can’t believe that aliens go
to a place like Fyffe.

790
00:43:52,500 –> 00:43:56,900
Al Alabama like some
Intergalactic Joad family but

791
00:43:57,000 –> 00:43:59,000
no.
Yeah, so you can find me on

792
00:43:59,008 –> 00:44:01,400
Facebook or no don’t don’t look
real.

793
00:44:02,300 –> 00:44:05,100
That’s my shit’s gross Twitter
and Instagram at Rivers Langley.

794
00:44:05,100 –> 00:44:06,800
You can check out my podcast
it’s called the goods from the

795
00:44:06,808 –> 00:44:08,100
woods.
It comes out every Tuesday on

796
00:44:08,100 –> 00:44:09,600
iTunes.
Google play SoundCloud, all the

797
00:44:09,600 –> 00:44:11,400
stuff.
And if you live down south and

798
00:44:11,400 –> 00:44:14,800
doing a couple of dates in
December, find me in Nashville

799
00:44:14,800 –> 00:44:17,700
at the Third.
Just comedy club on Saturday,

800
00:44:17,900 –> 00:44:19,800
December 22nd, and the night
before that.

801
00:44:19,800 –> 00:44:23,400
I’ll be at standard Deluxe in
Waverly, Alabama, with a bunch

802
00:44:23,400 –> 00:44:25,500
of straight killers from the
ATL.

803
00:44:25,500 –> 00:44:28,100
We’re gonna have a great comedy
show out in the middle of

804
00:44:28,100 –> 00:44:30,400
goddamn nowhere.
I’m glad standard Deluxe is

805
00:44:30,400 –> 00:44:32,600
still around after.
What happened to Super Deluxe.

806
00:44:34,200 –> 00:44:35,700
Super Deluxe got way too
ambitious.

807
00:44:35,700 –> 00:44:39,600
Yeah, exactly.
All right now, can we get out of

808
00:44:39,607 –> 00:44:40,700
here?
Yeah.

809
00:44:40,900 –> 00:44:43,200
Good.
Now that it’s not rude.

810
00:44:44,000 –> 00:44:47,600
Olivia, say goodbye.
Goodbye forever, say goodbye,

811
00:44:47,600 –> 00:44:50,500
goodbye, danger by Guy.
Goodbye.

812
00:44:50,600 –> 00:44:52,700
We love you goodbye everybody.
We love it.