Conspiracy! The Show The Assassination of Malcolm X: Pt. 1

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Hey everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.

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I’m your host, Adam Todd Brown
joining me as co-host from a

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very remote distance, so we
don’t kill each other with

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infectious diseases at if
Meyers.

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Hey, tell the people about
yourself.

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Everybody tip, Mars, we are
going to explain why?

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Each podcast this year, but he
got a black Muslim to talk about

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another black Muslim.
Her hand.

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Said we stand up so yeah, that’s
really about me right now.

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Yeah, I felt like the
assassination of Malcolm X

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should be a podcast.
That wasn’t just all white

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people in the room and this
podcast.

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Normally isn’t all white people
in the room so might have been

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fine anyway.
But, you know, no, no, I’m going

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to be honest, you’re the only
Muslim I know, Really, I think

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so.
There’s not a lot of a around.

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Yeah, like it is, a lot of us
running around, I’ll be all,

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like, like, especially in the LA
comedy community, which seems

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support well, when I say the L,
a– comedy community.

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I mean, the people, I know in
the LA comedy community.

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Yes, it could be riddled with
Muslims for all I know.

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But, yeah, that’s what I feel.
Like, I knew more Muslims.

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When I lived in South Dakota,
really?

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Yeah.
Yeah, I worked with a bunch.

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That’s fucking crazy.
That’s crazy.

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It doesn’t seem like it should
be that way, but it feels like

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it is, in fact that way, but to
be fair, I think is like 15 of

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us like MLA or in the LA comedy
community.

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Like, you know, like yeah that
sounds about, right?

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It’s like 15 of us, but it is
all.

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So, like a lot of like two black
dudes that are also Muslim, but

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they will never tell you until
it’s like Ramadan and they start

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complaining about it.
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I had a friend in high school
hungry and it’s like, I had a

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friend in high school, whose dad
was that way, like he wasn’t

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Muslim until it was time to give
the kids gifts at Christmas.

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And then devout Muslim, it was
great.

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That that’s how I found out.
I wasn’t actually, when I was

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younger, it was during Christmas
and I was like, yeah, where’s

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our gifts?
And I were Muslim.

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Now, I should, I should mention
that at, if is actually, this is

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the first like post Coronavirus,
This podcast, we’re recording

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this studio is shut down to
which is still like so like I

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would have been down to come in
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July Saul mean shit.
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I’ve been like I disinfected
shit.

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But God, it’s just like I once
the NBA shut down, I was like,

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well, who am I to keep the
studio open?

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If the MBA is shutting down, I’m
obviously not drawing the same

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crowds, but It just something.
Something about the MBA shutting

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down.
That was the night where I was

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like, yep, we’re just going to
record remote podcasts from now

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on and I had you booked not as a
remote podcast.

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You were going to come in.
But fortunately, yeah you have

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the facilities to record on your
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So here we are to again every
once you see like money-making

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institutions like the
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like these guys exploit kids and
they shut down.

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So now exploit kids like this is
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Yeah the n-c-double-a held on
till the very end like they were

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cancelling tournaments at
halftime, it was crazy but I’m

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kind of committed to not just
like doing exclusively

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coronavirus content, while the
nation is on lockdown.

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So we’re talking about the
assassination of Malcolm X for a

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couple episodes.
Did this.

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We did a similar thing with JFK
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about the official version of
events, kind of a background of

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things.
And then our next episode will

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be about the conspiracy theory
version.

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I guess you want to call it but
in cases like this, I tend to

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lean toward the conspiracy
theory version.

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Yeah, like the Malcolm X
conspiracy quote-unquote is one

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of the few You like black
conspiracies that are just

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mainstream.
You don’t.

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I mean it’s interesting that you
say that because I’ve brought

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Malcolm X up recently and the
reception I got granted it was

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from a white dude.
But the reception I got was that

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oh well no, we know how that
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It was the Nation of Islam that
killed him in like us.

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Who was it?
Like it was probably but was it

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I think.
Worley collaborators yeah it

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definitely seems that way but
there’s always like yes the

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Nation of Islam probably is in
theory responsible but all of

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these assassinations in the 60s
like there’s so many that

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happened all at the same time.
Yeah and it’s an eight and five

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to eight year span.
Right.

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Right.
Like there was he was 63 this

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was like 6668 same like em.
Okay was a 668, right?

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And then Bobby Kennedy to.
And it had about Bobby Kennedy

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and then there’s also all of the
Black Panther leaders who got

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assassinated.
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Like this was a crazy time.
Like I tell people all the time

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I think when it’s all said and
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history, I think we’ll find that
the United States actually.

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Had the most brutal intelligence
Agency and I think 100% And I

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think will point to the 60s as
proof of that.

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But so many of these
assassinations like there’s

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conspiracy theories around JFK,
there’s conspiracy theories

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around Bobby, Kennedy, there’s
conspiracy theories around

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Martin Luther King jr.
But I don’t think and Malcolm X

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also like I don’t think anyone
takes those theories seriously

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and I feel like we should yeah.
Yeah I could see that.

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I mean with Kennedy JFK.
I think that one’s taken like

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the most serious because it’s
always constantly being brought

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up.
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whatever it’s like a slow news
cycle, the national choir be

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like, who really killed JFK?
Like it’s always still in the

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Forefront.
Yeah, that’s true but I feel

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like it’s even when it’s brought
up the people who bring it up

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are treated kind of like weirdos
and Yeah, and the idea that Lee

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Harvey Oswald wasn’t solely
responsible, like you’re kind of

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looked at as a crazy person.
If you believe there might be an

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alternate explanation and I feel
like there would be the same

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thing surrounding MLK and
Malcolm X if they weren’t black

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with thousand percent because it
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MLK and Malcolm X, both and I
don’t know if we’ve ever done a

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conspiracy episode about Martin
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Which we should because that’s,
yeah, like, that’s a conspiracy

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theory where even the family is
like, yeah.

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Like the that guy probably
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It was probably the government,
like, they sued the fucking

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government and one but like
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No.
And even if In school books, in

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history books, they’re just like
he got assassinated the end like

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they never nobody ever really
delves into it, right?

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And it’s like, that’s kind of a
problem, like, everyone is who

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was it, that assassinated MLK,
according to history books, what

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does that guy’s fuck fucking
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Why can’t I think of James,
James, Earl Ray?

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I remembered it without Googling
it.

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Same time you.
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Gent like James Earl Ray didn’t.
Probably did not kill.

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Martin Luther King jr.
Know and to be fair he’s one of

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the few like assassin’s
quote-unquote who’s like still

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claim to be innocent like even
years later he’s like dude I

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Didn’t Do It.
Whereas we soon as Malcolm X 1,

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the one guy, the one guy they
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Had a part of it was like, yeah,
I did it.

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I’m sorry.
Right.

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But also the other people they
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He was like yeah.
I didn’t do it and like, nobody

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gave a fuck and yeah, it’s, it’s
one.

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I feel like Malcolm X.
I haven’t looked into as much as

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the other.
I mean, there’s a ton of

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assassinate.
Like once you dig into the Black

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Panthers, there’s a ton of
assassinations in the 60s and

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70s to look into because that’s
just how the government moved

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back, then.
Yeah, we were like, people are

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so so today, I think, yeah, Dad.
Definitely still today, but like

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people associate the 60s and the
70s with like peace and love and

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that’s when everyone was
hippies.

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But like, that’s what America
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Like we were just assassinating
progressives in public and

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sometimes framing people for it.
It was nuts.

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Do you remember Ben Z, like,
Bhutto like the Pakistani woman

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behnazir.
Yeah yeah yes what she was like

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Bin Laden’s alive and the next
day she got us out of the city,

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right?
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And nobody gave a fuck.
That should probably be an

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episode in the future like it.
Yeah.

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Because even the Seal team that
killed him, didn’t they all died

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in a helicopter accident?
That’s perfectly normal at.

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F it like no one gives a fuck.
I don’t know, man.

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Like growing up.
I was always into conspiracy and

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when listen to like
Coast-to-Coast.

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Didn’t listen Coast to Coast.
Oh yeah.

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Oh definitely, we’re like that
was like my shit but it’s just

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weird.
How can you when you when you

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said it early, when you bring up
like Malcolm X or like JFK?

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And you’re like I don’t think
that happened that way people.

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Look at you like you’re fucking
Nutjob.

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Yeah.
And I think it has to do with

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just the term conspiracy theory
in general has been kind of

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vilified and which is insane
because if if there’s ever been

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a time where you should, maybe
not Trust what the government is

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telling you.
It’s right now and I feel like

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we are as a society turning on
conspiracy theories even more

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right now and it feels like
that’s maybe not the time to do

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that.
No like even like when this

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Epstein shit went down, there
were just memes of that we moved

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on.
Yeah it was like like we all had

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questions but we didn’t really
ask those questions.

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And we just acknowledge that we
had questions and then didn’t do

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anything about it.
It’s just really, it’s really

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just like the status quo of
like, how America does shit,

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right?
And I feel like Malcolm X is a

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good example of what happens
when people challenge the status

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quo, because I feel like there’s
and we’ll get into it all, but I

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feel like there’s Point in his
history, where the group he was

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affiliated with seemed like they
were falling in line with the

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status quo and he broke with
them and he got fucking murdered

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over it like regardless,
regardless of who did it.

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That’s what he got murdered for.
Yeah.

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Like without question before we
get into all of that you before

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we are not before.
But when we decided, Need to do

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these episodes.
You mentioned you are a big fan

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of Malcolm X.
Talk about that.

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A little bitch fan, huge fan of
Malcolm X.

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I mean again grown-up young
black and like Muslim like he

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was the guy and I even remember
like in the fourth grade, I

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wanted to show the class the
Malcolm X movie that Spike.

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Lee did.
Yeah.

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And the teachers like yeah,
that’s fine.

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So I brought it in and the movie
opens up like in the first five

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minutes, he’s like banging some
white lady in the back of a car.

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Like what the fuck?
You’re not going to pick a scene

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and I was like, no, I want to
show this whole movie and she’s

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like, you know, that’s a three
hour long movie.

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And I was like, yeah.
And she’s like, I’ll give you a

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Beat, Just go sit out and you
can’t show this whole fucking

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movie, but it’s such a good
movie.

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It’s so good.
But just seeing like someone

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who’s like, fucking black and
Muslim and like super outspoken,

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like inspired me as a kid and I
remember asking my dad.

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I was like, why are we a part of
the Nation of Islam?

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You know?
I mean, yeah, like we’re black

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were Muslim warrant.
With them and then he’s like

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dude that wasn’t like the killed
Malcolm X tell me that was like

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5 years old.
Right?

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I was like oh fuck.
But now man.

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Huge fucking fan.
Yeah.

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Like my introduction to Malcolm
X was there’s a rap group called

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boogie down Productions.
Yeah, and they have an album

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called by any means necessary.
We’re KRS one.

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The lead rapper is holding a
rifle and Hanging out the

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window.
And I from looking into that and

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like I must have read it in like
fucking Word Up, Magazine or

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whatever, because this is late
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I don’t know how I connected it
to that, but I like I realized

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that he was emulating that
really iconic image of Malcolm

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X.
And that’s like how Malcolm X

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ended up on my radar.
Our and then just from like if

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you were listening to rap music
in the 90s, you were into

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conspiracy theories.
Like they’re really those two

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things were not they were not
mutually exclusive whatsoever

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and Barnes.
And Noble used to have like

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before conspiracy theories were
sort of criminalized in this

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country Barnes & Noble.
Had this display that was just

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like Cliff Notes.
About conspiracy theories.

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And yeah, I remember buying the
one about Malcolm X and being

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like shit.
This is, it’s pretty crazy to

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like and even just like reading
the book, like the autobiography

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of Malcolm X.
But like, written by some other

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dude.
Like that book was fucking

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awesome.
Like I don’t know, man.

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He was just such an
inspirational figure because I

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mean School, you learn about
Martin Luther King cause he’s

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like the peaceful one, but
Malcolm X was the one who always

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fucking cities ground and did
not really like give a fuck.

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And that’s just who I always
liked was drawn to more and

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you’re right about like early
90s rap because I mean, like

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Public Enemy was all over that
shit.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.
And it like, I guess it makes

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sense that you hear about MLK
more in history books, but it’s

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just because, like those history
books are written mostly by

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white people and yeah, he’s a
safe one.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And that was like, that was sort
of Malcolm X’s opinion on.

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Martin Luther King jr.
Also and so I guess more

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conspiracy theorist but they
want to teach you about the one

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that’s like not aggressive.
So you won’t like rise up to

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want to get like really deep
down into this.

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Yeah.
And that like II 100% by that,

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like that strikes me as probably
the obvious reason why Malcolm X

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is not taught in history books,
the way Martin Luther King jr.

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Is and he’s arguably, like, he’s
Is at least as important to the

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Civil Rights Movement as Martin
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Absolutely.
So, let’s talk about Malcolm X

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and his early life a little bit
because I feel like it’s, it’s

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important because it kind of
informs what he ends up doing as

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an adult.
Yeah.

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Who do he was born in Omaha?
Nebraska, Malcolm little was his

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name May 19th 1920?
Only five Omaha Nebraska.

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I fucking love Omaha.
It’s a great place ever.

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Been never been Omaha.
Well, never lie.

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I why is it great?
I wonder what the next detail in

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the Malcolm.
X story is let’s see, family

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fled Omaha for Milwaukee after
threats from the KKK over his

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parents work with the universal
negro Improvement Association.

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Creation.
So God damn it Omaha.

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Maybe this place.
Isn’t that great?

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It’s their downtown area is fun.
But here’s the thing we did.

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None pops tour within the last
few years and one of our stops

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was Omaha.
And we went to this really cool

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like antiques and collectibles
store.

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And as I’m going through it in
the like this back corner, they

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Had these like hand fans you
know when they would put like it

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would be on a stick and there
would be a piece of cardboard

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and you could fan yourself with
it.

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Yes.
Yes it was those.

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But they were super duper racist
like really like Sambo’s Chicken

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Shack and just lays has people
in blackface.

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And I, for a moment was like,
should I buy these at?

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Like, it’s funny and like it,
right?

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Right, exactly.
But weirdly funny imagine going

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through airport security and
that’s the one time they decide

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to check your bags and then what
if the person checking my bags

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is not white and they pull those
fucking fans out of my bags.

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What do I do?
What do I say?

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There’s no, like, even if I was
just buying them to like, bring

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them back to LA and be like, can
you believe this shit?

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But I Room, there’s a duty.
Should have bought it.

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I should have fucking bought it
at least, brought it up on stage

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with you if you perform it at
night.

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It’s but what the fuck is this
Elmo?

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That I should have done?
I should have taken them to the

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show with me but I guess Omaha,
maybe isn’t as great as I

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thought it was.
Well.

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Well yeah, obviously not long
after.

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Oh wait, I got lost Milwaukee.
Yeah, right.

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So go like to Lansing.
Michigan, also home of Mads The

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Johnson, right?
They, they flee Omaha because of

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racist threats over, Malcolm X’s
parents and their work with an

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organization called the
universal negro Improvement

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Association, which I’m only
allowed to say, because it’s in

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the historical record.
I give you permission.

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I needed you to say negro the
show.

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Thank you.
I appreciate it.

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I’m gonna need Similar passes
through out this episode deal,

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the iwi to say negro colored or
whatever like old, Aunt under

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all that outdated ones, none of
the modern ones mulatto moon

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cricket, moon cricket, people
said that probably I mean moon

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cricket.
Just sounds cute.

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We should bring that beat back,
right?

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It’s very mild.
Boom Cricket.

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Now that sounded terrible when I
said it, never mind.

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See?
Yeah, it sounds awful face with

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herb.
Sounds awful.

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Yeah, they flee Milwaukee.
They go to Lansing Michigan,

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which currently kind of a hotbed
for Muslims, Michigan in

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general.
Absolutely.

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But at the time, not really,
still pretty racist and they get

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more right racist harassment,
there, in particular, there’s a

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Called the black Legion, which
doesn’t sound like, it should be

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a racist group know, it sounds
like they should be fighting

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racists in the street, but as it
turns out, the black Legion was

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also a racist group.
That may be burned down Malcolm

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X’s home as a child in Michigan.
Maybe murdered his father, so

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crazy and he actually, at one
point Claimed that white

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violence and that was the word
or the phrase.

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He used took the lives of not
only his father but for of his

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father’s brother’s with the like
back then they were just get

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away with it.
Yeah.

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Like, which is fucking been it.
Like that was just did everyday

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Norm with a bad guy?
We killed a black dude.

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Let’s go get some beers.
Like, it was, it was such a wild

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fucking time.
It’s a good thing.

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That’s so different.
Now, Sort of yeah, that’s the

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thing.
Like you sit like when a cop

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gets prosecuted for killing a
black person, I’m still

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genuinely surprised.
It’s like when police solve a

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rap murder, I’m like, Jesus
Christ.

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You can do that, dude.
I’m just happy now that like

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I’ve had a bunch of like police
brutality happen to me or they

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like drawn guns on me for no
reason and I’m happy now we’re

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at a time where at least people
believe me now.

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Yeah it’s be like what the fuck?
Did you do?

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I’m like, I didn’t do anything.
I was being black and Muslim and

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they were.
And now did like, oh fuck,

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that’s crazy.
Like before they question.

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So, yeah, the 20 years, we
should be a bit further.

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It’s crazy.
That like South Central, Los

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Angeles is the Way South Central
Los Angeles is because of

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policies that not only the LAPD
but just kind of like the

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government of California and Los
Angeles put In place, back in

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the 60s and then it took Rodney
King for people to be like,

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wait, they’re treating black
people differently in South

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Central Los Angeles.
It’s like we read a fucking book

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like it’s been happening forever
and it it blows my mind that

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people like Malcolm X aren’t a
bigger part of the history books

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because it like how do you
justify that without being like

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mmm.
I want to make white people look

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bad.
Like, I don’t, I don’t get how

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this has all worked for this
long to Dave.

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They like won’t acknowledge any
civil rights leader that isn’t

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like Martin Luther King, that
makes sense.

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Like have you heard of like,
Bayard Rustin I have not, they

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would Rustin was the guy who
like inspired Martin Luther King

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and when like coach him like he
was like Martin’s OG who like

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helped him to the Civil Rights
period and would like open for

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him and he was a great speaker.
The only Problem with Bayard

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Rustin was a, he was gay.
Oh, so he was a black gay man

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who I got all his teachings from
Gandhi and like was like, no, we

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gotta be like peaceful, not
aggressive, but none of issue

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books acknowledge him because he
was a black gay man.

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That’s crazy.
Instrumental.

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And nobody gives a fuck.
Yeah, I don’t, I remember

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hearing very little about the
Black Panthers when I was in

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school and that’s It seems
important that was especially if

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you want some insight on how
your government deals with black

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people who carry guns, that
seems like it would have been

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worth learning about but yeah.
All this shit gets left out.

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That’s fucking awful.
So like with all of the stuff

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that happens to Malcolm X as a
child, like his home is burned

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down by racists at one point his
Other is murdered by racist,

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they called it a street car
accident, but he was probably

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murdered his mom doesn’t get any
life insurance benefits over it

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because the life insurance
companies argue that he killed

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himself, probably also some
racist shit on their part.

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She goes to her.
So she goes to a fucking mental

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institution for 24 years,
Malcolm X, and all his siblings

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end up in foster.
Foster care.

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He gets out of foster care goes
to high school and at one point

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in high school, is told by a
teacher that the he had in his

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ambition, was to be a lawyer.
And he was told that becoming a

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lawyer is no realistic goal for
a good word nigga.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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We know what he said.
Yeah, thank you for the assist.

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Threw it out.
Well, I guess I got the assist.

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Yeah, you’re John Stockton.
I’m Karl.

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Malone has a nigga in this whole
box but yeah, like that’s

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obviously the word.
The dude used and Malcolm X ends

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up.
Dropping out of high school over

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that.
So it’s pretty easy to

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understand how he ends up in the
field of Interest he does.

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When he’s older, he was
brutalized by white people, his

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entire life.
Life.

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So sorry if he’s holding a gun
on the cover of Ebony magazine.

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Yeah and what he just fucking
turns into a life of crime at

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this point, right?
Like he goes into the streets.

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Yeah.
Before he becomes Malcolm X, he

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goes to prison.
And yeah, he fell into a life of

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crime in Harlem and I feel like
we don’t need to hit on that too

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much.
No, no.

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A lot of people fall into a life
of crime.

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I’m and it’s arguably one of the
least important parts of his

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story except for the part where
he eventually goes to prison.

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And that’s where he gets
introduced to the Nation of

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Islam and we should talk about
the Nation of Islam.

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Not the same thing as Islam.
No not like it’s so far away

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because so far away.
Can you explain the difference?

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The people at home.
So Islam is like, very old

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00:27:57,700 –> 00:28:00,100
testimony, right?
We’re like similar to your

435
00:28:00,100 –> 00:28:02,800
Christianity or Judaism like
supersymmetry deism.

436
00:28:03,000 –> 00:28:06,100
Like it’s just one of the big
three religions as people call

437
00:28:06,100 –> 00:28:08,800
our, the abrahamic religions.
Where it’s like, based on peace

438
00:28:08,800 –> 00:28:12,100
and love.
We believe that Muhammad is the

439
00:28:12,100 –> 00:28:14,600
prophet of God.
That’s a guy who were now to see

440
00:28:14,600 –> 00:28:17,600
his face and people drawn, we
get pissed for some reason that

441
00:28:17,600 –> 00:28:21,200
guy, but we also believe in like
Jesus in Abraham and what we

442
00:28:21,200 –> 00:28:23,100
still believe in those guys,
right?

443
00:28:23,200 –> 00:28:27,000
Well, the Nation of Islam.
Which created by like w Ford in

444
00:28:27,000 –> 00:28:31,800
1930 and he believes that, like
white people are the devil and

445
00:28:31,800 –> 00:28:36,200
they are created by scientists
named jakub and then black

446
00:28:36,200 –> 00:28:39,100
people are like the greatest
which is dope.

447
00:28:39,100 –> 00:28:41,300
That’s as a black.
I’m like oh it’s fucking dope.

448
00:28:41,800 –> 00:28:46,400
Like it’s just based on like
anti-Semitism and like racism.

449
00:28:46,900 –> 00:28:49,900
Yeah there are problematic Bunch
for sure.

450
00:28:50,000 –> 00:28:53,200
Like here’s the thing, is the
thing with the Nation of Islam

451
00:28:53,200 –> 00:28:57,500
is They’re cool in like the
black community for what they

452
00:28:57,500 –> 00:28:59,100
want to do for the community.
Right?

453
00:28:59,100 –> 00:29:02,100
Like I’m all about like having
black businesses and like

454
00:29:02,100 –> 00:29:04,500
helping out the community,
however like they still exploit

455
00:29:04,500 –> 00:29:08,700
black people and they’re still
very racist, right?

456
00:29:08,800 –> 00:29:11,800
Yeah.
And that’s like they’re they

457
00:29:11,800 –> 00:29:19,200
strike me as kind of cult like
yes and that’s like you see that

458
00:29:19,200 –> 00:29:26,100
a lot with Cults where there are
some aspects to They do that are

459
00:29:26,100 –> 00:29:29,800
good and probably help people
out a lot.

460
00:29:29,800 –> 00:29:34,500
I would argue even Scientology.
There are some teachings of

461
00:29:34,500 –> 00:29:39,800
Scientology that aren’t that bad
but you have to take like the

462
00:29:39,800 –> 00:29:45,800
whole picture into consideration
and yeah the Nation of Islam.

463
00:29:45,800 –> 00:29:49,200
They’re problematic when it
comes to Jewish people and they

464
00:29:50,000 –> 00:29:53,000
always have been absolutely it’s
also fun and you brought up

465
00:29:53,000 –> 00:29:55,300
Scientology.
Because the Nation of Islam is

466
00:29:55,300 –> 00:29:59,200
like super cool with Scientology
and wants to members of the

467
00:29:59,200 –> 00:30:01,400
nation of Islam’s.
Go through like Dianetics.

468
00:30:01,600 –> 00:30:03,400
Oh that’s a crazy.
Old have been bed with each

469
00:30:03,400 –> 00:30:05,200
other.
Wow, I did not.

470
00:30:05,200 –> 00:30:08,900
Yeah, I didn’t know that like I
do a little bit of research for

471
00:30:08,900 –> 00:30:11,000
this liar.
It was weird and I found out

472
00:30:11,100 –> 00:30:15,900
it’s in like even Scientology
there’s a documentary out there

473
00:30:15,900 –> 00:30:22,900
called my Scientology movie and
this guy like recreates all of

474
00:30:22,900 –> 00:30:26,700
the experiments.
And certain things that they do

475
00:30:26,700 –> 00:30:30,900
when you’re going through the
levels of Scientology in like

476
00:30:30,900 –> 00:30:35,600
taken on their own outside, the
context of Scientology, it kind

477
00:30:35,600 –> 00:30:39,100
of makes sense.
Like, it’s just about not having

478
00:30:39,300 –> 00:30:44,700
as much of an emotional reaction
to stress in your life, which

479
00:30:44,700 –> 00:30:46,100
that’s a good thing.
Yes.

480
00:30:46,300 –> 00:30:49,300
But then also you sign a
billion-year contract and might

481
00:30:49,300 –> 00:30:53,500
have to live on a boat for the
rest of your life, so which is

482
00:30:53,600 –> 00:30:57,100
pretty exciting.
And yeah, the Nation of Islam is

483
00:30:57,100 –> 00:31:02,600
kind of the same thing like
we’ve talked on various on pops

484
00:31:02,600 –> 00:31:08,300
podcast before about yaqoob.
And how like if your favorite

485
00:31:08,300 –> 00:31:10,600
rapper says, white people are
the devil.

486
00:31:10,600 –> 00:31:14,400
It’s probably because he thinks
they were created in a lab by an

487
00:31:14,400 –> 00:31:18,300
evil scientist and like who am I
to say we weren’t like it’s

488
00:31:18,300 –> 00:31:21,100
totally sure ssible.
We’re most of the police

489
00:31:21,300 –> 00:31:24,000
officer, you got to realize like
with the station was on baby.

490
00:31:24,100 –> 00:31:27,200
Leave that like W4 door faridah.
Thanks for it.

491
00:31:27,200 –> 00:31:31,100
He they believe he was like God
reincarnated and that like

492
00:31:31,100 –> 00:31:35,100
Elijah Muhammad was like Jesus.
If that makes sense, right?

493
00:31:35,100 –> 00:31:37,600
Which totally Strays away from
Islam because we believe that

494
00:31:37,600 –> 00:31:40,100
God is just God, he can’t be
reincarnated and that like

495
00:31:40,100 –> 00:31:42,500
Muhammad’s the guy but Mom, it’s
dead.

496
00:31:42,600 –> 00:31:46,300
So which also explains that
Elijah Muhammad’s power were

497
00:31:46,300 –> 00:31:49,700
like his followers, literally
believe he’s Jesus and can

498
00:31:49,700 –> 00:31:52,100
essentially like do no wrong,
right?

499
00:31:52,200 –> 00:31:55,800
Yeah.
So, it’s That’s a thing worth

500
00:31:55,800 –> 00:32:00,800
taking into consideration but
it’s also worth noting at this

501
00:32:00,800 –> 00:32:05,000
point that Malcolm X did kind of
break from.

502
00:32:05,000 –> 00:32:08,200
I mean, not kind of break from
the Nation of Islam.

503
00:32:08,200 –> 00:32:12,000
Like, he completely broke from
the Nation of Islam.

504
00:32:12,200 –> 00:32:14,600
Absolute like that.
We was with this pilgrimage to

505
00:32:14,600 –> 00:32:16,800
Haj which obviously thought
about later on.

506
00:32:16,800 –> 00:32:18,800
But yeah, yeah.
Well, he realized oh shit.

507
00:32:18,800 –> 00:32:21,000
This isn’t the Nation of Islam
is in Islam.

508
00:32:21,000 –> 00:32:24,000
Like this is Islam, right?
But before all that.

509
00:32:24,200 –> 00:32:26,900
Happens.
He gets introduced to the Nation

510
00:32:26,900 –> 00:32:32,700
of Islam in prison and he starts
communicating with Elijah

511
00:32:32,700 –> 00:32:37,800
Muhammad, a whole bunch.
And this is the point where he

512
00:32:37,800 –> 00:32:41,000
kind of ends up on the FBI’s
radar.

513
00:32:41,200 –> 00:32:45,500
It actually happens he’s still
in prison because as we

514
00:32:45,500 –> 00:32:47,300
mentioned, he fell into a life
of crime.

515
00:32:47,600 –> 00:32:50,000
He goes to prison, he gets
introduced to the Nation of

516
00:32:50,000 –> 00:32:55,100
Islam at one point in prison.
He writes a A letter to Harry

517
00:32:55,100 –> 00:33:00,700
Truman and denounces, the Korean
War and declares that he is a

518
00:33:00,708 –> 00:33:04,100
communist witch.
Fucking awesome.

519
00:33:04,300 –> 00:33:06,100
What?
A bold move?

520
00:33:06,200 –> 00:33:10,900
Like, I’m scared to criticize
the CIA on these podcasts.

521
00:33:11,100 –> 00:33:15,600
Yeah, and he’s firing off
letters to the government crazy.

522
00:33:15,700 –> 00:33:16,900
Yeah, dude.
That’s fucking crazy.

523
00:33:16,900 –> 00:33:19,300
I was, yeah, I’m scared to talk
about the government of Morocco

524
00:33:19,300 –> 00:33:21,300
or Saudi Arabia like in jokes.
Yeah.

525
00:33:21,400 –> 00:33:22,800
Because like they might
assassinate me.

526
00:33:23,000 –> 00:33:26,100
Yeah.
That Like I’m researching a

527
00:33:26,100 –> 00:33:30,400
podcast right now about the
Philippines under Ferdinand

528
00:33:30,400 –> 00:33:37,100
Marcos and like in the 80s, the
FBI, and the CIA knew that the

529
00:33:37,100 –> 00:33:41,200
Philippines had intelligence
agents here, who are just

530
00:33:41,200 –> 00:33:43,900
harassing people who criticize
the Philippines.

531
00:33:44,000 –> 00:33:45,900
And we were like, yeah, but
we’re friends with the

532
00:33:45,908 –> 00:33:48,500
Philippines.
So we got a lot of gotta let him

533
00:33:48,500 –> 00:33:49,500
do it.
Yeah.

534
00:33:49,700 –> 00:33:53,800
Like the things, the government
will let people get away with

535
00:33:54,100 –> 00:33:59,000
Even to this day, it’s crazy but
throughout history and I feel

536
00:33:59,000 –> 00:34:02,100
like killing killing Malcolm X
was one of those things.

537
00:34:02,300 –> 00:34:04,300
Absolutely.
And then people still are like

538
00:34:04,300 –> 00:34:06,900
you should trust the government.
It’s like they have such a long

539
00:34:06,900 –> 00:34:09,199
history of fucking up and
fucking us up.

540
00:34:09,199 –> 00:34:14,100
Yeah you should by default in
2020 not trust the government

541
00:34:14,800 –> 00:34:19,000
probably should have been that
way since like 1988 probably

542
00:34:19,000 –> 00:34:24,000
like I mean earlier than that if
you trusted Reagan there it is.

543
00:34:24,300 –> 00:34:25,900
Yeah.
What were you doing?

544
00:34:26,400 –> 00:34:30,300
And I like even as a kit, like,
I’m old enough to remember my

545
00:34:30,300 –> 00:34:33,500
parents very much.
Wanting Reagan to win the

546
00:34:33,500 –> 00:34:37,199
election and he did.
And then my dad’s job got

547
00:34:37,199 –> 00:34:41,000
shipped to Mexico.
Like, fuck a fucking month

548
00:34:41,000 –> 00:34:46,199
later.
But our guy one know my dad was

549
00:34:46,199 –> 00:34:49,300
like a super hippie dead.
Like of course the live during

550
00:34:49,300 –> 00:34:51,699
this era so he was just like
don’t fucking trust the

551
00:34:51,699 –> 00:34:53,800
government.
Well I don’t think I remember as

552
00:34:53,800 –> 00:34:54,300
a kid.
Kid.

553
00:34:54,300 –> 00:34:56,600
He’ll be like if you get pulled
over this is what you do like

554
00:34:56,600 –> 00:34:59,600
was all about.
Like everybody’s trying to fuck

555
00:34:59,600 –> 00:35:03,400
you and you can’t trust anybody.
Yeah, that’s valid or nice like

556
00:35:03,400 –> 00:35:06,800
it.
Yeah, it’s crazy that that has

557
00:35:06,800 –> 00:35:11,600
been valid advice for black
people for, like, 50 years in

558
00:35:11,600 –> 00:35:15,400
this country.
Like, we act like this is a new

559
00:35:15,400 –> 00:35:18,200
thing.
And, no, it’s a new thing

560
00:35:18,200 –> 00:35:20,900
because police didn’t have body
cameras before then.

561
00:35:21,100 –> 00:35:23,200
Yeah, right.
Yeah, but she’s always been an

562
00:35:23,200 –> 00:35:27,200
existing it.
Is always been a fucking thing.

563
00:35:27,200 –> 00:35:30,300
That’s why I get so offended
when people are like, oh, but

564
00:35:30,300 –> 00:35:33,400
all the cops I know are nice.
That’s like the nice to you.

565
00:35:33,400 –> 00:35:36,400
Cause you’re white like, how do
you know what the fuck, like,

566
00:35:37,400 –> 00:35:41,500
people listen to my podcast, but
they don’t know how I deal with

567
00:35:41,600 –> 00:35:45,000
the people I record with.
I could be a huge fucking dick

568
00:35:45,000 –> 00:35:48,500
to everyone I record with.
But from outwardly is guys, he

569
00:35:48,500 –> 00:35:51,800
is, will be doing one pops
conspiracy, these episodes

570
00:35:52,000 –> 00:35:53,900
goddamn it.
Now, I gotta kill at it.

571
00:35:54,100 –> 00:35:58,800
If sea route and me for being an
asshole, I kind of hope I do die

572
00:35:58,800 –> 00:36:00,300
tomorrow.
So people think you fucking

573
00:36:00,300 –> 00:36:02,800
killed me.
So I killed him with a

574
00:36:02,800 –> 00:36:10,100
coronavirus but yeah, like the
the government’s been fucking

575
00:36:10,100 –> 00:36:14,600
killing people for a long time.
So Malcolm X, he gets out of

576
00:36:14,600 –> 00:36:21,700
prison and starts immediately,
climbing the ranks of the Nation

577
00:36:21,700 –> 00:36:23,300
of Islam.
He’s great.

578
00:36:24,400 –> 00:36:28,700
Recruiting new members.
And that just adds to the

579
00:36:28,700 –> 00:36:34,000
attention, he’s getting from the
FBI and then the Hilton Johnson,

580
00:36:34,100 –> 00:36:39,800
incident happens which somehow I
had never heard of this saying,

581
00:36:40,000 –> 00:36:43,600
which is crazy because it’s a
line in a Kanye song.

582
00:36:43,800 –> 00:36:48,100
Yeah, like there’s a, there’s a
whole Kanye song built around a

583
00:36:48,107 –> 00:36:51,600
line from this incident and I
had like up to this point.

584
00:36:51,600 –> 00:36:56,500
I’d be like Malcolm X stole that
from Kanye West, East, but the

585
00:36:56,500 –> 00:37:00,500
Hinton Johnson incident.
This is how Malcolm X not only

586
00:37:00,500 –> 00:37:06,900
gets on the nation’s radar but
also all of law enforcement in

587
00:37:06,900 –> 00:37:09,200
general.
After the Hinton Johnson

588
00:37:09,300 –> 00:37:12,200
incident, decide Malcolm X might
be a problem.

589
00:37:12,900 –> 00:37:20,100
And what happened Johnson was
walking in New York City with

590
00:37:20,100 –> 00:37:24,000
two fellow Nation of Islam
members, and they happened upon

591
00:37:24,200 –> 00:37:29,700
On police beating a black man
with their nightsticks.

592
00:37:29,900 –> 00:37:33,300
If you can believe that they
that’s actually a super

593
00:37:33,300 –> 00:37:34,500
coupling.
Yeah.

594
00:37:34,700 –> 00:37:39,500
Yeah, who would, who would ever
expect police would be beating a

595
00:37:39,500 –> 00:37:41,000
black dude, with their
nightsticks?

596
00:37:41,300 –> 00:37:42,900
This is probably in broad
daylight too.

597
00:37:43,400 –> 00:37:46,800
Oh, absolutely.
Or like at this, it’s New York.

598
00:37:46,800 –> 00:37:50,100
So it’s always kind of daylight
in New York, that’s true.

599
00:37:50,300 –> 00:37:53,500
It’s like 7:00 or 8:00 at night
like it’s not like it’s hidden.

600
00:37:53,800 –> 00:37:54,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

601
00:37:54,600 –> 00:37:58,200
It’s perpetually seeable in New
York.

602
00:37:58,900 –> 00:38:02,700
Yeah.
And they attempt to intervene in

603
00:38:02,700 –> 00:38:05,800
part by shouting.
You’re not in Alabama.

604
00:38:05,900 –> 00:38:10,700
This is New York bold move very,
very bold move in the 60s.

605
00:38:11,500 –> 00:38:16,200
And as a result of that, the
police turn their attention on

606
00:38:16,200 –> 00:38:21,100
hitting Johnson beating him so
severely that he suffered brain

607
00:38:21,100 –> 00:38:28,500
contusions and subdural.
Hemorrhaging goddamn him.

608
00:38:28,500 –> 00:38:31,500
Yeah, yeah, that’s crazy.
His two friends, and the

609
00:38:31,500 –> 00:38:35,400
original beating victim were all
arrested, and taken directly to

610
00:38:35,400 –> 00:38:40,100
jail Malcolm X hears about this
from a witness and goes to the

611
00:38:40,100 –> 00:38:45,100
police station and demands to
see Hinton Johnson.

612
00:38:45,300 –> 00:38:50,200
That alone makes me want to buy
a Malcolm X t-shirt.

613
00:38:50,200 –> 00:38:55,100
Yeah, right now, such bowls that
because like, No one does that.

614
00:38:55,100 –> 00:38:58,100
Now that you know what I mean?
Yeah, when there is an

615
00:38:58,100 –> 00:39:02,700
injustice, people just like hop
on Twitter or Instagram and dig.

616
00:39:02,700 –> 00:39:04,800
This is crazy.
Look at this Injustice, but no

617
00:39:04,800 –> 00:39:07,800
one goes to the police station
and wants to make.

618
00:39:07,800 –> 00:39:09,700
I need to see this guy right
now, like, this is fucking

619
00:39:09,700 –> 00:39:13,300
wrong.
Yeah, and then, after he’s told

620
00:39:13,300 –> 00:39:16,600
that, there are no Muslims being
held there.

621
00:39:17,000 –> 00:39:20,300
He just persists in his, like, I
know you’re fucking lying.

622
00:39:20,500 –> 00:39:24,000
Show me where this guy is, and
they do and Malcolm.

623
00:39:24,100 –> 00:39:29,000
Manages to get this guy, not
only removed from jail, but

624
00:39:29,000 –> 00:39:34,100
taken to a hospital, it’s broken
off and then they get him back

625
00:39:34,100 –> 00:39:40,300
to the hospital and this whole
time Malcolm X and a team of

626
00:39:40,300 –> 00:39:46,900
lawyers have been negotiating to
get the other three out of jail

627
00:39:46,900 –> 00:39:51,900
and they do that but he’s told
that hit and Johnson is going to

628
00:39:51,900 –> 00:39:53,900
have to stay there until his
arraignment.

629
00:39:54,100 –> 00:39:57,700
In.
So realizing that the situation

630
00:39:57,700 –> 00:40:03,200
is at kind of an impasse, he
goes out to this crowd of people

631
00:40:03,200 –> 00:40:07,100
that have assembled outside,
which is like, 4,000 people who

632
00:40:07,100 –> 00:40:11,300
are all here to protest what’s
happening.

633
00:40:11,400 –> 00:40:16,900
And with one hand, gesture gets
all of the Nation of Islam,

634
00:40:16,900 –> 00:40:21,600
people who are assembled there
to leave, they leave quietly,

635
00:40:21,900 –> 00:40:25,600
they leave peacefully.
And then Everyone else who had

636
00:40:25,600 –> 00:40:28,400
assembled leaves shortly after
that.

637
00:40:28,400 –> 00:40:33,500
And that’s when a cop is quoted
in a New York newspaper, saying

638
00:40:33,700 –> 00:40:37,000
no one man should have this much
power.

639
00:40:38,300 –> 00:40:39,600
It’s pretty.
That’s fucking bad-ass.

640
00:40:40,300 –> 00:40:44,000
And boy.
Does that get him on law?

641
00:40:44,000 –> 00:40:47,800
Enforcement’s radar.
Yeah, which you kind of got to

642
00:40:47,800 –> 00:40:50,500
expect it at that point.
Oh, definitely.

643
00:40:50,600 –> 00:40:53,900
He must have no, he is known it
since like he join the nation.

644
00:40:54,100 –> 00:40:57,300
As I’m like, yo, this is a
possibility, like anyone who

645
00:40:57,300 –> 00:41:01,900
could sway a crowd with one hand
gesture, like, even I had sort

646
00:41:01,900 –> 00:41:05,400
of be like, can we watch them?
Like what are the, what are they

647
00:41:05,400 –> 00:41:07,000
up to?
What’s that, what what’s this

648
00:41:07,000 –> 00:41:09,600
guy do next?
That’s a whole, that’s a whole

649
00:41:09,600 –> 00:41:13,300
lot at certainly level, it’s
another level of like command of

650
00:41:13,300 –> 00:41:15,500
the crowd and Charisma I don’t
have that kind of Charisma.

651
00:41:15,600 –> 00:41:17,200
Yeah, that’s the thing Malcolm
at.

652
00:41:17,200 –> 00:41:20,800
And that at one point when he
finally breaks from the Nation

653
00:41:20,800 –> 00:41:22,600
of Islam, that becomes a
problem.

654
00:41:22,600 –> 00:41:25,400
Like he’s he’s One with the
Charisma.

655
00:41:25,500 –> 00:41:28,900
Like I’ve seen videos of Elijah
Muhammad but I don’t fucking

656
00:41:28,900 –> 00:41:30,600
remember anything.
He said.

657
00:41:30,700 –> 00:41:34,900
Yeah, but Malcolm X guy.
Carry guns and said cool shit.

658
00:41:34,900 –> 00:41:38,700
And War, neat, glasses.
I remember everything about

659
00:41:38,700 –> 00:41:42,700
Malcolm X and he was like number
two in the Nation of Islam that

660
00:41:42,700 –> 00:41:44,200
whole time.
Yeah.

661
00:41:44,200 –> 00:41:47,200
And everybody would but like
he’s like Malcolm X in a Nation

662
00:41:47,200 –> 00:41:50,400
of Islam was like that feature
that you knew was the real

663
00:41:50,400 –> 00:41:51,900
headliner.
Yeah.

664
00:41:52,000 –> 00:41:53,100
Yeah exactly.
What’s it?

665
00:41:53,100 –> 00:41:56,800
Like a comedy.
A show and it was like nah it’ll

666
00:41:56,800 –> 00:42:00,700
burst featuring but after Bill
Burr it’s like someone else.

667
00:42:00,700 –> 00:42:02,200
He like.
All right, and then Bill Burr

668
00:42:02,200 –> 00:42:04,300
fucking murders.
He like whoa yeah.

669
00:42:04,300 –> 00:42:06,800
Alright and then the headliner
can’t even fucking follow up.

670
00:42:07,000 –> 00:42:09,200
Yeah.
That’s kind of what Malcolm X

671
00:42:09,200 –> 00:42:14,300
became and was it’s crazy.
So after this Hinton Johnson

672
00:42:14,500 –> 00:42:20,800
incident like he really Rises up
through the Nation of Islam

673
00:42:20,800 –> 00:42:27,600
ranks, he was especially great
Recruiting new members like he

674
00:42:27,600 –> 00:42:32,700
in particular is credited with
during that stretch in the 60s

675
00:42:32,700 –> 00:42:36,900
like very much increasing the
ranks of the Nation of Islam,

676
00:42:36,900 –> 00:42:41,400
but they eventually have a
falling out over a few different

677
00:42:41,400 –> 00:42:47,100
things.
One was LAPD violence, Malcolm X

678
00:42:47,100 –> 00:42:52,800
wanted to respond to LAPD
violence against Muslims with

679
00:42:52,800 –> 00:42:58,200
violence against The LAPD and
the Nation of Islam said nah

680
00:42:58,300 –> 00:43:04,100
which kind of makes sense that’s
probably that like, that’s a the

681
00:43:04,100 –> 00:43:08,400
LAPD like that’s like
California’s Army.

682
00:43:08,500 –> 00:43:13,500
That’s a lot to take on.
So I guess I understand like he

683
00:43:13,500 –> 00:43:17,200
literally wanted to because
there was this incident where

684
00:43:17,200 –> 00:43:23,900
there was a mosque in LA and
some sort of incident broke out

685
00:43:24,100 –> 00:43:28,500
Police officers showed up a
scuffle breaks out and then the

686
00:43:28,500 –> 00:43:32,700
police end up writing this
mosque and just indiscriminately

687
00:43:32,700 –> 00:43:35,300
beating the shit out of people.
What’s that?

688
00:43:35,300 –> 00:43:37,100
Soprano?
Oblem, of course.

689
00:43:37,200 –> 00:43:39,700
But that seems pretty par for
the course for like cops.

690
00:43:40,100 –> 00:43:45,900
Yeah, especially at the time and
if you’re part of a movement

691
00:43:45,900 –> 00:43:51,900
that’s trying to make progress
in a way that the American

692
00:43:51,900 –> 00:43:57,100
government will accept Violent
attacks on the police are,

693
00:43:57,100 –> 00:44:01,500
probably not something that
should be in your play book so

694
00:44:01,500 –> 00:44:04,400
that I get, I get that.
I do like it, though.

695
00:44:04,400 –> 00:44:06,500
I’m gonna be honest.
Yeah, that’s the thing about

696
00:44:06,500 –> 00:44:12,600
Malcolm X, like he was like,
fucking cold in, like we kind of

697
00:44:12,600 –> 00:44:17,800
need a Malcolm X right now like
more than ever because we’re

698
00:44:17,800 –> 00:44:21,700
kind of at that point where I
don’t know, this is gonna

699
00:44:21,700 –> 00:44:26,200
probably get me on secret.
This radar, but we’re probably

700
00:44:26,200 –> 00:44:32,200
like we’re at the point where we
need to decide if we’re okay.

701
00:44:32,200 –> 00:44:36,300
With still, trying to fix this V
of voting or if we just need to

702
00:44:36,300 –> 00:44:41,200
take to the streets, like
something needs to change in

703
00:44:41,200 –> 00:44:46,000
this country and voting is not
fucking doing it and it feels

704
00:44:46,000 –> 00:44:50,000
like voting’s.
Not going to do it in 2020 and

705
00:44:50,000 –> 00:44:53,600
expecting people to just wait
for voting.

706
00:44:54,000 –> 00:44:58,000
And the system we use to elect
officials in this country.

707
00:44:58,000 –> 00:45:01,800
Now to make things better, it’s
getting kind of unrealistic.

708
00:45:02,500 –> 00:45:05,700
I don’t, I don’t know why people
still fucking believe in it.

709
00:45:05,800 –> 00:45:08,200
That’s I don’t either that’s
what it was growing up thinking.

710
00:45:08,200 –> 00:45:09,500
I was like, why the fuck are
people?

711
00:45:09,500 –> 00:45:10,800
Like we can vote in change
things.

712
00:45:10,900 –> 00:45:15,700
You fucking cans know and like
you can change who’s in office

713
00:45:15,700 –> 00:45:18,100
but there’s just same shit
though.

714
00:45:18,400 –> 00:45:21,200
Yeah there’s just some policies.
You’re never going to be able to

715
00:45:21,200 –> 00:45:23,300
change.
That’s why I’m so bothered by

716
00:45:23,300 –> 00:45:27,000
the idea of Biden getting the
Democratic nomination.

717
00:45:27,000 –> 00:45:32,800
It’s like Biden, put all the
policies in place that made

718
00:45:32,800 –> 00:45:38,200
migration from Central America
necessary for people living in

719
00:45:38,200 –> 00:45:41,600
Central America.
And now, all of those people are

720
00:45:41,600 –> 00:45:45,000
in detention centers and I’m
supposed to expect that Joe

721
00:45:45,000 –> 00:45:48,200
Biden’s just going to fling the
doors of those detention

722
00:45:48,200 –> 00:45:50,200
centers.
Open course not.

723
00:45:50,200 –> 00:45:54,700
He’s just going to keep shit
going, as it’s been and And a

724
00:45:54,700 –> 00:45:57,700
bunch of white people on the
left will feel like they won

725
00:45:57,700 –> 00:45:59,700
because Trump is not an office
anymore.

726
00:45:59,900 –> 00:46:05,700
I know it’s fucking stupid, it
really is and it’s so fucking

727
00:46:05,700 –> 00:46:07,700
send people.
Just don’t I just I just don’t

728
00:46:07,700 –> 00:46:09,800
her saying no people just don’t
realize it.

729
00:46:09,800 –> 00:46:12,800
Like they’re all looking on the
bench best interest and they’re

730
00:46:12,800 –> 00:46:16,100
all like fucking lying to you so
much.

731
00:46:16,100 –> 00:46:19,600
So that like I’m Hugh I’m like a
Bernie fan just because he’s the

732
00:46:19,600 –> 00:46:23,900
only one I’ve seen with like a
30 year track record of

733
00:46:24,000 –> 00:46:25,200
Constantly doing the right
thing.

734
00:46:25,300 –> 00:46:31,500
Yeah, yeah, I’m Bernie guy.
Also in like like at some point

735
00:46:31,500 –> 00:46:36,800
people have to realize I think
in this election that we’re at a

736
00:46:36,808 –> 00:46:41,200
point where it’s more than just
beating Trump, like these things

737
00:46:41,200 –> 00:46:46,000
need to change in like all of
the things like, we look back on

738
00:46:46,000 –> 00:46:51,400
the Civil Rights Movement, like
it was just this big sea change

739
00:46:51,400 –> 00:46:55,900
where we really fix things in.
Like, what did we fix?

740
00:46:55,900 –> 00:46:59,800
Like, there’s no, like
segregated fucking drinking

741
00:46:59,800 –> 00:47:03,600
fountains aren’t a thing anymore
and black people can eat in the

742
00:47:03,600 –> 00:47:06,300
same part of restaurants as
everyone else.

743
00:47:06,500 –> 00:47:11,000
Well, I know you can vote.
Yeah, but there’s still a ways

744
00:47:11,000 –> 00:47:14,200
to go when it comes to shit like
that.

745
00:47:14,400 –> 00:47:17,600
And there are no Malcolm X’s on
the horizon.

746
00:47:17,800 –> 00:47:21,300
No, they’re just like people on
Twitter as well as social media

747
00:47:21,300 –> 00:47:23,100
shit but that doesn’t fucking
matter.

748
00:47:24,100 –> 00:47:26,500
No, it’s really.
It’s so fucking period.

749
00:47:26,500 –> 00:47:30,000
It’s just so fucking a period.
Not only does it not matter.

750
00:47:30,000 –> 00:47:34,400
It may, I think it kind of
breeds complacency in people,

751
00:47:34,500 –> 00:47:37,200
they’re like, well, I tweeted
about it and that tweet Gotta

752
00:47:37,200 –> 00:47:40,500
Love a bunch of retweets.
So, things are fine.

753
00:47:40,700 –> 00:47:42,600
I’m doing my part.
Yeah, someone will.

754
00:47:42,600 –> 00:47:45,400
Someone else would do this?
Like they’re just like pass into

755
00:47:45,400 –> 00:47:47,600
virtual torch like it’s really
all it is.

756
00:47:47,800 –> 00:47:55,000
Yeah so there was also sexual
misconduct by Eliezer Muhammad.

757
00:47:55,000 –> 00:47:58,800
That was one of the things
Malcolm X split with the Nation

758
00:47:58,800 –> 00:48:02,000
of Islam over.
But the one that is most

759
00:48:02,000 –> 00:48:06,900
interesting to me is his
comments about the assassination

760
00:48:06,900 –> 00:48:10,100
of John F Kennedy.
Yeah, definitely.

761
00:48:10,300 –> 00:48:17,500
Which is pretty famous and it’s
a, he used a phrase that I

762
00:48:17,500 –> 00:48:21,700
literally have not looked up
until I was researching this

763
00:48:21,700 –> 00:48:24,800
podcast.
But when F, Kennedy was

764
00:48:24,800 –> 00:48:30,000
assassinated Malcolm X was asked
about it and in the interview he

765
00:48:30,000 –> 00:48:35,800
said it was a case of quote,
chickens coming home to roost

766
00:48:35,800 –> 00:48:40,700
and Then followed that up with
chickens coming home to roost.

767
00:48:40,800 –> 00:48:44,000
Never did make me sad.
They’ve always made me.

768
00:48:44,000 –> 00:48:49,600
Glad which he’s not wrong.
Like, I owe.

769
00:48:49,900 –> 00:48:53,700
I haven’t looked it up before
now, but I finally looked it up

770
00:48:53,700 –> 00:48:57,400
and And what that means is, your
past bad actions.

771
00:48:57,400 –> 00:49:01,200
Have caught up to you and I
still don’t know how chickens

772
00:49:01,200 –> 00:49:04,500
coming home to roost equates to
that, but I get what he was

773
00:49:04,500 –> 00:49:05,600
saying.
Yeah.

774
00:49:05,600 –> 00:49:08,300
Like yeah, if that’s what that
phrase means.

775
00:49:08,300 –> 00:49:12,600
I absolutely gets get what he
was saying like JFK kind of

776
00:49:12,600 –> 00:49:16,100
hinted that he wanted to shut
down the CIA and then

777
00:49:16,500 –> 00:49:20,000
mysteriously.
Got murdered also JFK had like a

778
00:49:20,000 –> 00:49:23,800
pretty like diverse like staff
here.

779
00:49:24,000 –> 00:49:26,100
Some African Americans in this
fucking staff which is like

780
00:49:26,100 –> 00:49:29,000
unheard of at the time, she was
kind of just chatty change.

781
00:49:29,000 –> 00:49:31,500
The fucking status quo about
things were right?

782
00:49:31,500 –> 00:49:36,700
And instead, he got shot in the
head by a lone gunman named Lee

783
00:49:36,700 –> 00:49:40,500
Harvey Oswald.
It was the only one, yeah, it is

784
00:49:40,500 –> 00:49:43,500
just him.
Yeah, even though they’ve done,

785
00:49:43,700 –> 00:49:48,700
countless experiments, trying to
recreate those three shots and

786
00:49:48,700 –> 00:49:50,700
only one person was able to do
it.

787
00:49:50,900 –> 00:49:53,800
And that guy is convinced Lee
Harvey Oswald could.

788
00:49:53,900 –> 00:49:57,800
Have done it but hey, it’s fine.
All of these assassins will look

789
00:49:57,800 –> 00:50:00,000
Escape for like days.
Yeah.

790
00:50:00,000 –> 00:50:05,800
Lee Harvey it like this is just
such a mind-blowing period in

791
00:50:05,800 –> 00:50:10,200
history to me.
Yeah, we’re all of these people

792
00:50:10,200 –> 00:50:14,500
who are directly challenging the
government or the way the

793
00:50:14,500 –> 00:50:18,800
government works, get murdered.
And now all these years later,

794
00:50:18,800 –> 00:50:22,200
if you question, the official
explanation of those murders

795
00:50:22,600 –> 00:50:24,600
people act like you’re crazy.
Wait.

796
00:50:24,600 –> 00:50:29,800
Yeah but meanwhile let a true
crime fan.

797
00:50:29,800 –> 00:50:35,100
Find out that some dude who’s
wife got murdered his previous

798
00:50:35,100 –> 00:50:38,700
wife died.
Like 25 years earlier from

799
00:50:38,700 –> 00:50:41,800
falling down the steps.
They’ll be like, there’s no such

800
00:50:41,800 –> 00:50:46,300
thing as coincidences and it’s
like, all right.

801
00:50:46,300 –> 00:50:48,300
But what about our government in
the 60s?

802
00:50:48,300 –> 00:50:52,800
Do you believe they were just
murdering people or are people

803
00:50:52,800 –> 00:50:54,200
who believe that consumers?
Spira.

804
00:50:54,200 –> 00:50:56,100
See theorists.
Oh all day.

805
00:50:56,200 –> 00:50:59,200
They’re just dude, it’s fucking
bananas.

806
00:50:59,300 –> 00:51:02,300
It’s yeah, yeah.
I know, I just don’t get

807
00:51:02,300 –> 00:51:04,600
people’s complacency I’ll never
understand it.

808
00:51:04,800 –> 00:51:09,300
Yeah, I kind of go out of my way
to convince like we have a

809
00:51:09,300 –> 00:51:11,700
true-crime podcast called pretty
scary.

810
00:51:11,900 –> 00:51:15,900
And I really go out of my way to
drive home.

811
00:51:15,900 –> 00:51:20,000
The point on that podcast, that
like conspiracy theories and

812
00:51:20,000 –> 00:51:23,600
True Crime, stuff aren’t that
different like know.

813
00:51:23,900 –> 00:51:27,600
Whew, like if you’re willing to
believe the police are lying

814
00:51:27,600 –> 00:51:30,900
about a murder, you should be
willing to believe that the

815
00:51:30,900 –> 00:51:35,200
government sometimes lies about
shit also because the police are

816
00:51:35,200 –> 00:51:37,700
your government, they are your
local government.

817
00:51:37,800 –> 00:51:42,700
And if you believe your local
police or someone’s local

818
00:51:42,700 –> 00:51:46,600
police, would conspire to cover
up wrongdoing.

819
00:51:46,700 –> 00:51:50,100
Then you should go ahead and
believe that at higher levels.

820
00:51:50,400 –> 00:51:52,700
People conspire to cover up,
wrongdoing.

821
00:51:52,700 –> 00:51:57,600
Also, it’s really Ali, not that
hard, but the term conspiracy

822
00:51:57,600 –> 00:52:03,100
theory is just so weighed down
in negativity.

823
00:52:03,100 –> 00:52:06,300
Now, I don’t even want to say
net, like you can’t even say

824
00:52:06,300 –> 00:52:10,200
negativity anymore.
No, people will just

825
00:52:10,200 –> 00:52:12,500
Ridiculousness, really right?
Like I feel like people would

826
00:52:12,700 –> 00:52:15,900
assume Conspiracy Theory with
like Bigfoot and like the Loch

827
00:52:15,900 –> 00:52:17,300
Ness monster.
Yeah.

828
00:52:17,300 –> 00:52:19,700
Or Alex Jones?
Yeah.

829
00:52:20,000 –> 00:52:22,300
Well, you’re just some guy with
a fucking aluminum foil hat.

830
00:52:22,300 –> 00:52:23,700
Just like, think everybody’s out
there.

831
00:52:23,900 –> 00:52:28,900
Yeah, and I don’t know how you
can look at a period, like, the

832
00:52:28,900 –> 00:52:33,000
60s, where all of these
Progressive leaders just get

833
00:52:33,000 –> 00:52:37,400
murdered in public.
And we never really solve it

834
00:52:37,400 –> 00:52:40,300
like, we solve it, but there’s
questions.

835
00:52:40,400 –> 00:52:42,700
And people are just like, why
would you believe?

836
00:52:43,300 –> 00:52:47,900
Like nothing makes me angrier
than a think piece on why some

837
00:52:47,900 –> 00:52:50,000
people believe conspiracy
theories.

838
00:52:50,200 –> 00:52:53,200
It’s like people believe
conspiracy theories because

839
00:52:53,200 –> 00:52:57,200
sometimes They happen and
sometimes they are the actual

840
00:52:57,200 –> 00:52:58,900
explanation.
Yeah.

841
00:52:59,100 –> 00:53:02,200
Andrew this.
I don’t know this kind of seems

842
00:53:02,200 –> 00:53:08,000
like 1,000 percent but for this
episode we’re sticking to the

843
00:53:08,300 –> 00:53:14,000
official explanation and the
official explanation for how

844
00:53:14,700 –> 00:53:20,100
Malcolm X died kind of comes
down to that split with the

845
00:53:20,100 –> 00:53:25,100
Nation of Islam and around here.
He ends up splitting with them

846
00:53:25,100 –> 00:53:30,500
and 1964 and March 8th.
My birthday that no shit.

847
00:53:30,600 –> 00:53:32,200
We’re both sad.
Pisces.

848
00:53:32,400 –> 00:53:35,800
Huh, are we both sad Pisces?
I think so yeah.

849
00:53:35,900 –> 00:53:38,000
Yeah.
I was born March 20th.

850
00:53:38,100 –> 00:53:41,400
So oh yeah, we definitely said
place, he’s sad Pais, absolutely

851
00:53:41,400 –> 00:53:44,300
safe.
Hey, thank you, sorry about Kurt

852
00:53:44,300 –> 00:53:47,300
Cobain.
I know all Pisces are sad about

853
00:53:47,300 –> 00:53:51,100
Kurt Cobain true, well, that’s
conspiracy and of itself, right?

854
00:53:51,200 –> 00:53:53,000
Oh, is it?
We’ve done a bunch of them

855
00:53:53,000 –> 00:53:54,300
besides about.
It.

856
00:53:54,600 –> 00:53:59,300
So in the official historical
record him splitting with the

857
00:53:59,300 –> 00:54:03,000
Nation of Islam, is the inciting
incident that.

858
00:54:03,000 –> 00:54:06,000
Yeah, leads to the death of
Malcolm X.

859
00:54:06,200 –> 00:54:08,900
And it was definitely a tense
Feud.

860
00:54:08,900 –> 00:54:15,000
His car was bombed in February
1964, which is before he even

861
00:54:15,000 –> 00:54:17,700
left the Nation of Islam.
Elijah.

862
00:54:17,700 –> 00:54:22,500
Muhammad allegedly told Louis
Farrakhan that quote Hypocrites,

863
00:54:22,500 –> 00:54:25,100
like Malcolm should have Our
heads cut off.

864
00:54:25,400 –> 00:54:28,500
Also, let’s say we have to talk
about like he left again because

865
00:54:28,500 –> 00:54:33,600
he went to Hajj and saw like
Real Islam and was just like, oh

866
00:54:33,600 –> 00:54:37,800
shit, I shouldn’t be like this
radical guy trying to promote,

867
00:54:37,800 –> 00:54:40,100
like racism because I’m sitting
right back.

868
00:54:40,100 –> 00:54:41,600
Why Muslims are like Asian
Muslims?

869
00:54:41,800 –> 00:54:46,100
Like this is fucking crazy in
everything that like I’m doing

870
00:54:46,100 –> 00:54:50,000
with the Nation of Islam is
wrong and I got to teach people

871
00:54:50,400 –> 00:54:54,400
like actual like Islam and how
we should all come Together

872
00:54:54,500 –> 00:54:57,800
which that wanted to come
together and like, not be so

873
00:54:57,800 –> 00:55:01,300
separatists is like way more
radical at the time to be in

874
00:55:01,300 –> 00:55:04,900
separatist.
Yeah, I think that’s actually

875
00:55:05,500 –> 00:55:09,800
what got him killed because you
had to do because the Nation of

876
00:55:09,800 –> 00:55:12,100
Islam.
That’s one thing like they’re

877
00:55:12,100 –> 00:55:16,900
very radical.
But when he splits off from the

878
00:55:16,900 –> 00:55:21,400
Nation of Islam, he becomes a
very different person for what

879
00:55:21,400 –> 00:55:25,000
he converted to.
He was a soon, Muslim.

880
00:55:25,700 –> 00:55:28,900
Yeah.
After splitting off from the

881
00:55:28,900 –> 00:55:32,100
Nation of Islam.
And yeah, a lot of those more

882
00:55:32,100 –> 00:55:36,500
radical leanings that he got
from the Nation of Islam is sort

883
00:55:36,500 –> 00:55:39,500
of went away and he starts
focusing on.

884
00:55:39,600 –> 00:55:43,600
Well, what if we just bring
everyone in to work on this

885
00:55:43,600 –> 00:55:48,300
problem and that had to be way
more threatening to the United

886
00:55:48,300 –> 00:55:53,400
States government than him being
just part of the Nation of

887
00:55:53,400 –> 00:55:55,300
Islam.
Aam well, yeah, because that’s

888
00:55:55,500 –> 00:55:58,100
radicals that’s threatening to
the government.

889
00:55:58,200 –> 00:56:01,500
But also the Nation of Islam is
to have like your number-one

890
00:56:01,500 –> 00:56:04,000
guy, being like these guys are
fucking wrong.

891
00:56:04,100 –> 00:56:05,900
And right is wrong.
This is what’s right.

892
00:56:06,100 –> 00:56:08,800
Yeah.
And it would almost be to the

893
00:56:08,800 –> 00:56:16,200
benefit of the US government,
which is very focused on.

894
00:56:16,500 –> 00:56:19,700
I don’t know, I guess keeping
Christianity being the thing in

895
00:56:19,700 –> 00:56:24,800
this country and not much else
like it’s almost Good for them.

896
00:56:24,900 –> 00:56:29,200
If like the biggest
representative of Islam in the

897
00:56:29,200 –> 00:56:33,900
United States is tied to the
Nation of Islam because then

898
00:56:33,900 –> 00:56:37,400
they can point to all of that
crazy shit that the Nation of

899
00:56:37,400 –> 00:56:43,100
Islam believes and then sort of
discredit Islam as a whole as a

900
00:56:43,100 –> 00:56:45,800
result.
But when Malcolm X splits off

901
00:56:45,900 –> 00:56:51,500
and kind of disavows the Nation
of Islam and is like oh no we

902
00:56:51,500 –> 00:56:54,600
can just like this can just be
another her religion in the

903
00:56:54,600 –> 00:56:56,500
world and we can all work
together.

904
00:56:56,700 –> 00:57:00,000
That’s way more dangerous for
the u.s. government.

905
00:57:00,000 –> 00:57:01,700
Like that’s what they killed
people over.

906
00:57:01,800 –> 00:57:03,600
Absolutely.
They’re not worried about like

907
00:57:03,600 –> 00:57:06,100
black dudes, doing karate in a
basement in New Jersey.

908
00:57:06,200 –> 00:57:08,800
No.
Look be worried about that shit.

909
00:57:08,800 –> 00:57:11,400
All they’re worried about black
dudes, doing karate in a

910
00:57:11,408 –> 00:57:14,100
basement, in New Jersey with
white dudes.

911
00:57:15,200 –> 00:57:17,300
Yes, like everybody still
karate.

912
00:57:17,500 –> 00:57:22,200
That’s when it’s a problem and
that’s what Malcolm X wanted to

913
00:57:22,200 –> 00:57:26,100
do, karate and base.
It’s with all sorts of people

914
00:57:26,400 –> 00:57:28,600
and that’s when it became a
problem.

915
00:57:30,300 –> 00:57:32,100
So what did when I saw the
Nation of Islam?

916
00:57:32,100 –> 00:57:34,300
Doing karate with?
Like the fruit of Islam group?

917
00:57:34,300 –> 00:57:37,000
I’m like I like karate like they
might I might join the nation.

918
00:57:37,500 –> 00:57:39,900
Yeah.
Like one of my first

919
00:57:40,000 –> 00:57:45,400
introductions to any of this was
Public Enemy and they had the

920
00:57:45,400 –> 00:57:49,200
security of the first world
which is there like dancers.

921
00:57:49,400 –> 00:57:52,700
But they’re also just dudes in
fatigues who March around and

922
00:57:52,700 –> 00:57:56,600
like twirl Rosie’s on their
index finger and shit.

923
00:57:57,600 –> 00:58:01,200
And I was like, man, I kind of
want to do that.

924
00:58:01,200 –> 00:58:04,500
That seems the neater than I
don’t know.

925
00:58:05,100 –> 00:58:10,700
Being a white dude listen to
Public Enemy so Malcolm X.

926
00:58:11,000 –> 00:58:14,500
He has this falling out with the
Nation of Islam.

927
00:58:14,700 –> 00:58:20,700
We mentioned before his car gets
bombed Elijah Muhammad allegedly

928
00:58:20,700 –> 00:58:24,300
told Louis Farrakhan that quote
Hypocrites like Malcolm should

929
00:58:24,300 –> 00:58:27,900
have their heads.
Cut off the April 10th edition

930
00:58:27,900 –> 00:58:33,000
of Muhammad speaks featured, a
cartoon depicting, Malcolm X’s

931
00:58:33,000 –> 00:58:36,400
bouncing.
Severed head FBI surveillance,

932
00:58:36,400 –> 00:58:42,500
recorded a call to Malcolm X’s
wife Betty on June 8 telling her

933
00:58:42,600 –> 00:58:47,400
that her husband was as good as
Dead four days after that an FBI

934
00:58:47,400 –> 00:58:51,400
informant received a tip that
Malcolm X is going to be bumped

935
00:58:51,400 –> 00:58:56,700
off on Jesus.
This one is super interesting to

936
00:58:56,700 –> 00:59:00,700
me on July 9th.
This is all 1964, by the way.

937
00:59:01,100 –> 00:59:06,200
Elijah Muhammad Aid, John Ali
referred to Malcolm X by saying

938
00:59:06,400 –> 00:59:11,000
anyone who opposes The Honorable
Elijah Muhammad puts their life

939
00:59:11,000 –> 00:59:15,200
in jeopardy.
Fun fact, John Ali is alleged to

940
00:59:15,200 –> 00:59:19,500
have been an FBI agent.
It’s fuckin crazy which after

941
00:59:19,500 –> 00:59:25,700
the hint and Johnson Incident,
That’s All law enforcement

942
00:59:25,700 –> 00:59:29,500
started surveilling Malcolm X in
some way.

943
00:59:29,600 –> 00:59:33,800
And it’s believed at that point
that that’s where law

944
00:59:33,800 –> 00:59:38,300
enforcement basically
infiltrates the Nation of Islam.

945
00:59:38,500 –> 00:59:43,100
So it wouldn’t surprise me if
that guy was FBI.

946
00:59:43,300 –> 00:59:49,600
Yeah no no doubt and this is all
of this is where that really

947
00:59:49,600 –> 00:59:53,700
famous picture of Malcolm X.
Comes comes from and it’s a a

948
00:59:53,707 –> 00:59:57,800
pretty great picture that want
to him holding the rifle like

949
00:59:58,100 –> 01:00:02,600
who doesn’t want.
Like I am one rifle away from

950
01:00:02,900 –> 01:00:07,300
recreating that picture and put
it on Instagram and saying it’s

951
01:00:07,300 –> 01:00:11,000
about my haters or something.
That’s such, a great picture.

952
01:00:11,100 –> 01:00:15,900
Should do with your podcast, mic
towards podcast, mic stand

953
01:00:15,900 –> 01:00:19,300
outside the fucking Studio
Windows looking out that would

954
01:00:19,300 –> 01:00:25,400
actually be very funny.
I would get Dragged on Twitter,

955
01:00:25,400 –> 01:00:28,500
so hard for that.
Would you use very supportive

956
01:00:28,500 –> 01:00:31,400
fans?
I have supportive fans, but

957
01:00:31,500 –> 01:00:34,700
Twitter is a whole other thing.
It would be like it would be

958
01:00:34,700 –> 01:00:38,600
cultural appropriation.
It would be in other all

959
01:00:38,600 –> 01:00:41,600
legitimate arguments.
I’m not here to argue against

960
01:00:41,600 –> 01:00:44,600
the PC police.
God, you’re damn right?

961
01:00:44,600 –> 01:00:46,400
I still want to take that
picture.

962
01:00:46,500 –> 01:00:49,600
I want to wear the glasses, I
don’t even own a suit.

963
01:00:49,800 –> 01:00:54,200
I’d buy a suit for that picture.
Let me great but you don’t And

964
01:00:54,200 –> 01:01:00,500
that like that picture, what
kills me is that picture is what

965
01:01:00,500 –> 01:01:06,300
I think throughout history, a
lot of media or textbooks or

966
01:01:06,300 –> 01:01:10,200
whatever have kind of leaned on
that picture to make the point

967
01:01:10,200 –> 01:01:14,200
that Malcolm like Malcolm X was
the violent one and Martin

968
01:01:14,200 –> 01:01:17,200
Luther King jr.
Was the peaceful one, but like,

969
01:01:17,200 –> 01:01:20,600
Malcolm X and legitimate
concerns for his safety.

970
01:01:20,800 –> 01:01:23,400
It was family saved.
Big into a firebomb, his house

971
01:01:23,400 –> 01:01:29,000
while Kids were there not just
like, it wasn’t just that like

972
01:01:29,000 –> 01:01:32,600
white people were wanting to
kill him which like at that

973
01:01:32,600 –> 01:01:36,100
point in history, white people
wanted to kill all black people

974
01:01:36,200 –> 01:01:39,600
but also black people wanted to
kill Malcolm X at that time.

975
01:01:39,900 –> 01:01:43,000
He had every goddamn reason to
have a gun and be looking out

976
01:01:43,000 –> 01:01:46,200
the window and we do because
like, Martin Luther King did not

977
01:01:46,200 –> 01:01:49,600
have that to be fair like, no,
no, black people try to kill

978
01:01:49,600 –> 01:01:52,100
Martin Luther King.
No, absolutely not.

979
01:01:52,200 –> 01:01:57,800
And It’s crazy to me that we’ve
like that’s the image.

980
01:01:58,300 –> 01:02:03,400
We’ve kind of projected on
Malcolm X over the years, is

981
01:02:03,400 –> 01:02:05,000
like, well he was the violent
one.

982
01:02:05,000 –> 01:02:09,200
Look at this gun.
And it’s really not like, it’s

983
01:02:09,200 –> 01:02:13,900
not that he was the violent one.
It’s that Martin Luther King,

984
01:02:13,900 –> 01:02:18,600
just wanted people to vote,
like, they’re like, he it

985
01:02:18,600 –> 01:02:20,000
wasn’t.
I don’t know.

986
01:02:20,000 –> 01:02:22,900
I don’t like, I can’t say, I
can’t say mark.

987
01:02:23,700 –> 01:02:26,900
Due to be like that defensive
and have a gun because again,

988
01:02:27,200 –> 01:02:29,900
his own people are trying to
kill ya.

989
01:02:30,200 –> 01:02:33,700
Everyone was trying to kill him
when they firebombed his house.

990
01:02:33,700 –> 01:02:36,300
I believe that was the house
that the Nation of Islam was the

991
01:02:36,300 –> 01:02:38,300
letting them live in.
Yeah.

992
01:02:38,300 –> 01:02:43,100
One of the, as part of their
disagreement, he was living in

993
01:02:43,100 –> 01:02:47,000
this house that the Nation of
Islam bought him and they tried

994
01:02:47,000 –> 01:02:51,000
to evict him.
And the night before, there was

995
01:02:51,200 –> 01:02:54,400
a hearing scheduled to delay
that Eviction.

996
01:02:54,500 –> 01:02:58,200
They just fucking firebomb the
house and burned it down and

997
01:02:58,200 –> 01:03:01,500
like, yeah, only one of two
people did that.

998
01:03:01,500 –> 01:03:04,700
Either Malcolm X or the Nation
of Islam, it was probably the

999
01:03:04,700 –> 01:03:07,000
Nation of Islam.
Like what point would Malcolm X

1000
01:03:07,000 –> 01:03:09,000
have and firebombing his own
house.

1001
01:03:09,200 –> 01:03:11,800
The scoop that’s true because
they tried to free Malcolm X for

1002
01:03:11,800 –> 01:03:14,900
it by saying it gasoline in his
house, right?

1003
01:03:15,000 –> 01:03:18,600
Which is yeah, you have gasoline
in your house.

1004
01:03:18,800 –> 01:03:22,200
So you burned your house down
like the gasoline was probably

1005
01:03:22,200 –> 01:03:23,500
put there by the people who
burned.

1006
01:03:23,700 –> 01:03:26,700
House down.
So he had every reason to be

1007
01:03:26,700 –> 01:03:32,600
holding a gun on the cover of
Ebony, magazine in 1964 and

1008
01:03:32,700 –> 01:03:36,400
sure.
Enough in February, 1965, he

1009
01:03:36,400 –> 01:03:40,500
ends up getting assassinated on
February 19th.

1010
01:03:40,500 –> 01:03:45,100
He told interviewer Gordon Parks
that the Nation of Islam was

1011
01:03:45,200 –> 01:03:49,500
actively trying to kill him, on
February 21st as he was

1012
01:03:49,500 –> 01:03:53,400
preparing for a speech at the
Audubon Ballroom in Manhattan.

1013
01:03:53,600 –> 01:03:56,700
Someone in the audience.
Stood up and yelled, get your

1014
01:03:56,700 –> 01:04:00,400
hand out of my pocket.
Yeah, that’s part of it.

1015
01:04:01,800 –> 01:04:05,100
And as Malcolm X and his
bodyguards were attending to

1016
01:04:05,100 –> 01:04:08,400
that disturbance.
Another Man rushed toward the

1017
01:04:08,400 –> 01:04:14,100
stage and shot him in the chest,
with a sawed-off shotgun as two

1018
01:04:14,100 –> 01:04:18,600
other men charged the stage
firing semi-automatic handguns.

1019
01:04:18,800 –> 01:04:23,100
He was shot 21 times in total.
I’m not gonna lie.

1020
01:04:23,700 –> 01:04:27,800
Lat, that’s yeah, no no, that’s
a significant number of bullet

1021
01:04:27,800 –> 01:04:30,700
wounds be very like empty out
the clip on them.

1022
01:04:30,900 –> 01:04:35,000
They Clips, multiple clips.
This thing is like dude in

1023
01:04:35,000 –> 01:04:36,900
today’s clip on him due to until
his clip on him.

1024
01:04:36,900 –> 01:04:40,300
Like that’s fucking crazy.
He was pronounced dead at 3:30

1025
01:04:40,300 –> 01:04:43,000
p.m. shortly after arriving at
the hospital.

1026
01:04:43,200 –> 01:04:47,700
One of the gunmen Talmadge hair
was beaten by the crowd before

1027
01:04:47,700 –> 01:04:52,900
police arrived, pretty famous
image of him, getting the shit

1028
01:04:52,900 –> 01:04:55,400
beat out of him.
And so that guy cops surrounding

1029
01:04:55,400 –> 01:04:58,400
him and then you see his face
because he’s just getting he’s

1030
01:04:58,400 –> 01:05:01,400
getting held up and people
beating the fuck out of him but

1031
01:05:01,400 –> 01:05:04,500
you just see his face in the
middle of people beating him and

1032
01:05:04,500 –> 01:05:08,300
that leads me to believe he.
At least probably did have

1033
01:05:08,300 –> 01:05:10,300
something to do with it.
Absolutely.

1034
01:05:10,500 –> 01:05:15,100
Because there’s some reason that
crowd started beating him.

1035
01:05:15,200 –> 01:05:20,100
The other gunmen were identified
by witnesses as Nation of Islam

1036
01:05:20,100 –> 01:05:25,800
members Norman 3x Butler.
And Thomas 15x Johnson.

1037
01:05:25,900 –> 01:05:28,300
Do you know what those middle
names are about?

1038
01:05:28,300 –> 01:05:32,200
I do not, I’ve no idea, I think
they just do it.

1039
01:05:32,500 –> 01:05:35,500
I think the x is there getting
rid of all the getting rid of

1040
01:05:35,500 –> 01:05:37,600
like their slave named quote,
unquote?

1041
01:05:37,600 –> 01:05:41,100
Well, I know this, I know that
but that’s like, don’t know why

1042
01:05:41,100 –> 01:05:44,600
they even numbers.
And why the middle name because

1043
01:05:44,600 –> 01:05:48,000
like, you still, uglier is
probably a slave name.

1044
01:05:48,200 –> 01:05:51,300
Yes, like to paraphrase Malcolm
X.

1045
01:05:51,500 –> 01:05:53,400
That guy did not come from
Africa.

1046
01:05:53,600 –> 01:05:59,200
With the last name Butler, that
was given to him by slave-owning

1047
01:05:59,200 –> 01:06:03,900
people in the past.
It’s exactly, it is they just

1048
01:06:03,900 –> 01:06:08,000
use the X to get rid of like the
surnames that have been posted

1049
01:06:08,000 –> 01:06:09,900
by white slave holders.
Yeah.

1050
01:06:10,300 –> 01:06:13,100
But I don’t know why they have
numbers and I’m fucking kind of

1051
01:06:13,100 –> 01:06:13,600
jealous.
Maybe.

1052
01:06:13,700 –> 01:06:15,900
See.
I think that, I think the middle

1053
01:06:15,900 –> 01:06:21,500
name, I think the 3x + 15 x,
probably relates to maybe their

1054
01:06:21,500 –> 01:06:23,400
level within the Nation of
Islam.

1055
01:06:23,600 –> 01:06:26,700
Yeah, who knows?
Why would we have looked into

1056
01:06:26,700 –> 01:06:29,100
it, who cares?
Sorry.

1057
01:06:29,300 –> 01:06:34,600
Fucking details get off our
backs, so all three of them were

1058
01:06:34,600 –> 01:06:38,600
convicted in 1966 and sentenced
to life in prison.

1059
01:06:38,600 –> 01:06:42,100
But like what about the dude who
stood up and yelled?

1060
01:06:42,200 –> 01:06:44,800
Anyone ever look at you?
Okay, what happened to him?

1061
01:06:45,000 –> 01:06:49,000
I never hear him mentioned in
the rest of the story.

1062
01:06:49,100 –> 01:06:52,600
What about the guy who yelled up
and stood up and yelled?

1063
01:06:52,600 –> 01:06:55,900
Get out your And out of my
pocket and to go put his hand in

1064
01:06:55,908 –> 01:06:56,900
his pocket.
Yeah.

1065
01:06:56,900 –> 01:06:59,400
What if there was another dude
with his hand in his pocket at

1066
01:06:59,400 –> 01:07:02,300
the time?
If we look into any of that?

1067
01:07:02,400 –> 01:07:05,200
No, no one did.
So we’re like, hey, we had these

1068
01:07:05,200 –> 01:07:09,000
two guys.
Even though like at least, if

1069
01:07:09,000 –> 01:07:12,500
you’re going by, if you’re going
by like the train, like

1070
01:07:12,500 –> 01:07:15,300
cognitive thought, or normal
thought you have, at least five

1071
01:07:15,300 –> 01:07:18,700
people, there who made this
distraction, yet they only have

1072
01:07:18,700 –> 01:07:20,400
like three people that are
arrested.

1073
01:07:20,500 –> 01:07:25,100
Yeah, it’s and when we talk
about, Out the conspiracy

1074
01:07:25,100 –> 01:07:30,200
theories around this on the next
episode, it like that kind of

1075
01:07:30,200 –> 01:07:33,800
seems to be the attitude of the
police in general.

1076
01:07:33,900 –> 01:07:37,100
They just sort of show up and
they’re like well we’ll just

1077
01:07:37,100 –> 01:07:42,100
arrest whoever we can arrest and
yeah, that’ll be good enough and

1078
01:07:42,100 –> 01:07:44,400
it did sort of end up being good
enough.

1079
01:07:44,500 –> 01:07:51,400
Even though the one guy that the
crowd identified, he confessed

1080
01:07:51,400 –> 01:07:56,300
at trial but refused to name the
other assailants, but he did

1081
01:07:56,300 –> 01:08:02,100
contend that they were not
Butler and Johnson and in 1977,

1082
01:08:02,200 –> 01:08:06,100
he signed an affidavit once
again affirming that Butler and

1083
01:08:06,100 –> 01:08:10,100
Johnson were innocent and naming
for Other Nation of Islam

1084
01:08:10,100 –> 01:08:17,200
members from newark’s mosque, 25
as participants, no, one cared

1085
01:08:17,300 –> 01:08:22,300
the case wasn’t reopened, but it
was reopened recently because of

1086
01:08:22,300 –> 01:08:26,399
a 2020 Netflix, documentary.
We’re going to talk about that

1087
01:08:26,399 –> 01:08:30,300
on the next episode.
When we, when we talk about what

1088
01:08:30,300 –> 01:08:33,300
really happened, do you?
Here’s a question.

1089
01:08:33,399 –> 01:08:37,300
Do you believe the official
explanation of what happened to

1090
01:08:37,308 –> 01:08:38,600
Malcolm X?
No.

1091
01:08:39,300 –> 01:08:41,899
Yeah.
I don’t like I don’t believe any

1092
01:08:41,899 –> 01:08:46,000
official explanation of
assassinations that happened in

1093
01:08:46,000 –> 01:08:49,700
a 70 or maybe ever my girl.
My girl friends like my

1094
01:08:49,700 –> 01:08:52,899
girlfriend’s white and she just
knew nothing about this and I

1095
01:08:52,907 –> 01:08:54,600
was like nice.
Killed by Nation of Islam.

1096
01:08:54,700 –> 01:08:56,000
Its you just like the whole
time.

1097
01:08:56,000 –> 01:08:59,899
Just stunned by like the gross.
Like misconduct of the police

1098
01:08:59,899 –> 01:09:01,899
since how, like no one really
cared.

1099
01:09:02,200 –> 01:09:05,700
Yeah, it that’s the thing is
like, no one really gave a fuck.

1100
01:09:05,899 –> 01:09:11,899
I imagine among police and law
enforcement at the time, there

1101
01:09:11,899 –> 01:09:15,899
was probably a sense of relief
that he was killed.

1102
01:09:15,899 –> 01:09:17,800
Yes.
So do it was like, here’s a guy

1103
01:09:17,800 –> 01:09:21,000
who’s going to like change the
culture like now just like when

1104
01:09:21,000 –> 01:09:23,399
people say the culture now Black
Culture like literally the

1105
01:09:23,600 –> 01:09:25,500
Cheering America.
And that we need to fund

1106
01:09:25,500 –> 01:09:28,000
gorillas guy because we’re happy
with the status quo.

1107
01:09:28,800 –> 01:09:32,200
Yeah.
Like people really underestimate

1108
01:09:32,300 –> 01:09:36,800
how hard in the paint this
government goes when black

1109
01:09:36,800 –> 01:09:40,100
people start making things
better for themselves.

1110
01:09:40,300 –> 01:09:44,200
Like yeah.
Like people are always like mmmm

1111
01:09:44,500 –> 01:09:47,000
the government really cared
about guns when the Black

1112
01:09:47,000 –> 01:09:50,300
Panthers started carrying them
and like, yeah, maybe but what

1113
01:09:50,300 –> 01:09:52,800
the government really cared
about was when the Black Panther

1114
01:09:52,800 –> 01:09:55,100
started giving, Kids free
breakfast.

1115
01:09:55,100 –> 01:09:59,600
Like that is when the government
was like, oh, oh no, you’re not

1116
01:09:59,600 –> 01:10:05,400
going to improve the lives of
your community on our watch and

1117
01:10:05,400 –> 01:10:08,500
like it’s the same thing with
Malcolm X.

1118
01:10:08,500 –> 01:10:11,600
Martin Luther King jr.
Bobby Kennedy, John F, Kennedy

1119
01:10:11,600 –> 01:10:14,900
jr.
Or John John F Kennedy Junior

1120
01:10:14,900 –> 01:10:18,300
just flew his plane into the
ocean like an idiot but he

1121
01:10:18,300 –> 01:10:22,400
really regular JFK.
Like we just in the 60s

1122
01:10:22,400 –> 01:10:25,600
assassinated.
People who tried to change the

1123
01:10:25,600 –> 01:10:29,800
status quo and we did it
publicly and to this day, most

1124
01:10:29,800 –> 01:10:35,100
Americans don’t believe that the
government had any involvement

1125
01:10:35,100 –> 01:10:40,100
in that rash of.
So fucking murders that happened

1126
01:10:40,200 –> 01:10:43,100
in it, like, which there’s so
much evidence against the

1127
01:10:43,100 –> 01:10:44,400
against it.
Yeah.

1128
01:10:44,400 –> 01:10:45,600
Jabotinsky.
Like I said, it’s so much

1129
01:10:45,600 –> 01:10:48,100
evidence for the conspiracy, but
no one cares.

1130
01:10:48,200 –> 01:10:52,300
Yeah, but I think I think that’s
an episode you’re right.

1131
01:10:52,300 –> 01:10:53,900
This was a long episode.
Sewed.

1132
01:10:53,900 –> 01:10:56,700
I think you texted me said this
was going to be a long episode.

1133
01:10:56,800 –> 01:10:58,300
Yeah.
Was trying to be a dick, open it

1134
01:10:58,300 –> 01:10:59,800
come off.
Like a dick, like a beautiful

1135
01:10:59,800 –> 01:11:01,600
little nips.
Like know, you.

1136
01:11:01,600 –> 01:11:03,900
We had a lot of you had a lot of
information.

1137
01:11:04,100 –> 01:11:09,200
Yeah, I didn’t want to just like
dive into the conspiracy part

1138
01:11:09,200 –> 01:11:12,100
and not because I don’t look,
here’s the thing.

1139
01:11:12,200 –> 01:11:15,400
I don’t discount that some
racists are listening to this

1140
01:11:15,400 –> 01:11:19,900
podcast because it is a
conspiracy theory podcast and

1141
01:11:20,500 –> 01:11:27,500
those Venn diagrams intersect.
So, On the off chance, I just

1142
01:11:27,700 –> 01:11:30,800
want to give the racists in the
audience, an introduction to

1143
01:11:30,800 –> 01:11:35,600
Malcolm X and we’ll hopefully
you understand, he wasn’t the

1144
01:11:35,600 –> 01:11:41,400
wasn’t as bad as history is made
him out to be also like we had

1145
01:11:41,900 –> 01:11:44,800
yet to give background because
these are all just the Domino’s

1146
01:11:44,800 –> 01:11:48,400
to lead into why you know I feel
like if yeah, absolutely

1147
01:11:48,400 –> 01:11:50,500
background.
Then like the podcast we just

1148
01:11:50,500 –> 01:11:54,000
drove into conspiracy then we’d
be still be like Like three

1149
01:11:54,000 –> 01:11:57,000
hours or just like the Y.
So, let’s make sense.

1150
01:11:57,000 –> 01:12:00,500
I’m not mad.
There’s a lot of Y and yeah,

1151
01:12:00,700 –> 01:12:04,200
we’ll get to it on the next
episode of Tif will be joining

1152
01:12:04,200 –> 01:12:07,100
me again.
We’re recording from our

1153
01:12:07,100 –> 01:12:14,000
respective bunkers and he
covid-19 disinfected Zone in Los

1154
01:12:14,000 –> 01:12:18,200
Angeles.
We have bar codes on our wrists,

1155
01:12:18,400 –> 01:12:21,900
we can’t move if those don’t get
scanned.

1156
01:12:21,900 –> 01:12:25,800
It’s intense right?
Now, but we are silly is still

1157
01:12:25,800 –> 01:12:29,400
providing the content for you at
F.

1158
01:12:29,500 –> 01:12:32,500
Do you have anything to plug
before we get out of here?

1159
01:12:32,700 –> 01:12:36,600
Additive Myers and Twitter and
Instagram, listen to my stand-up

1160
01:12:36,600 –> 01:12:38,500
on Spotify and yeah, it’s
happening.

1161
01:12:38,500 –> 01:12:40,400
That’s it man.
Thank you for listening to this.

1162
01:12:40,600 –> 01:12:43,500
Yeah me by the way.
Hey thank you for doing it.

1163
01:12:43,500 –> 01:12:46,900
I appreciate it.
This is like I said, this is the

1164
01:12:46,900 –> 01:12:50,800
first episode I’ve recorded
since I shut the studio down.

1165
01:12:50,800 –> 01:12:56,800
So thank you for being a part.
Out of this and helping me

1166
01:12:56,800 –> 01:12:59,100
realize it’s not going to be
that bad.

1167
01:12:59,300 –> 01:13:01,600
I guess is good episode
basically fine.

1168
01:13:01,600 –> 01:13:08,100
Yeah well live yeah yeah tests
don’t die hmm I’ll try not to if

1169
01:13:08,100 –> 01:13:10,800
I do what your fault Comics,
I’ve exposed you.

1170
01:13:11,000 –> 01:13:15,700
Yeah what if I gave you
coronavirus over the the Skype

1171
01:13:15,700 –> 01:13:17,000
call?
Fuck up.

1172
01:13:17,000 –> 01:13:18,800
Who knows?
I was transferred.

1173
01:13:18,900 –> 01:13:20,800
No one knows.
It couldn’t be real.

1174
01:13:20,800 –> 01:13:22,300
Weird of ours is a real guys,
huh?

1175
01:13:22,500 –> 01:13:23,400
No.
It’s fucking real.

1176
01:13:23,500 –> 01:13:27,400
And wash your goddamn hands and
I asked if I did, you know what

1177
01:13:27,400 –> 01:13:29,200
I would say about that
situation.

1178
01:13:29,400 –> 01:13:38,300
Hmm, no one man should have that
much power full circle

1179
01:13:38,300 –> 01:13:41,300
motherfuckers.
That’s what we in the industry.

1180
01:13:41,300 –> 01:13:46,900
Call a callback and it’s
probably the appropriate point

1181
01:13:46,900 –> 01:13:49,600
to end this podcast.
We will be next.

1182
01:13:49,800 –> 01:13:52,900
We will be next.
No, we will be back.

1183
01:13:53,400 –> 01:13:58,300
Back next week to talk about
what really happened to Malcolm

1184
01:13:58,300 –> 01:14:00,900
X, which probably isn’t that
much different?

1185
01:14:00,900 –> 01:14:03,700
From the official story, but
it’s a little different, it’s

1186
01:14:03,700 –> 01:14:05,100
way different.
Yeah, there’s a whole

1187
01:14:05,100 –> 01:14:08,200
documentary about six parts,
that’s a lie.

1188
01:14:08,500 –> 01:14:11,000
It’s a lot of Dodge.
This is well, whatever will

1189
01:14:11,000 –> 01:14:13,700
fucking will talk about what
talk about then we’ll get to it.

1190
01:14:13,800 –> 01:14:17,500
All right at if thank you so
much for doing it I appreciate

1191
01:14:17,500 –> 01:14:19,100
it.
Of course tell the people go by

1192
01:14:19,300 –> 01:14:20,800
piece.
Goodbye everybody.

1193
01:14:20,800 –> 01:14:21,300
We love you.