Conspiracy! The Show The Death of Kurt Cobain

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Thanks, everybody, we love you.
Welcome to conspiracy the show

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with your host, Adam Todd Brown
and Connor mcspadden.

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Hey everybody, Welcome to
conspiracy the show.

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I’m Adam, Todd Brown.
I’m Connor mcspadden.

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And we have a guest today, you
do, what’s your name?

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I’m Travis fucking Clara Travis
fucking Clark, from the heart,

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shaped pod, pod, cast, and
others and others.

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They say release they said and
they said, Infinity war was the

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most ambitious crossover event.
All-time house until they came

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to Courtney.
Love half a month on conspiracy

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of the show.
We are talking about quit

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Travis’s contract.
As I was of people think is

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gonna die people been thinking
that for a while.

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Yeah.
How many more movies are going

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to play Travis?
Clark are very few very very few

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ever been in a movie you do with
a bit of acting?

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Yeah.
I’ve been in a couple.

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Yeah.
What’s what’s your what’s your

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what role do you feel like has
been your your favorite?

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You’ve probably brownie When I
played Travis the grunge rocker

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in punching.
The clown doesn’t fit?

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Yeah.
Wait a way to get outside your

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comfort zone.
Yeah like when Al Jackson

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played, Al Jackson, whatever
that Australian comic show is

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I’m playing a Connor.
The suicidal podcast host and

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the moves that craft projects
Lee crap that you see this is a

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craft like TV show about him.
Starting a podcast.

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Oh jeez.
It’s called like Zach

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incorporate or some dumb shit.
Like they’re a Incorporated.

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It’s about, he quit his job to
become a podcaster.

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A certain podcast network is
Emma.

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So do is episode 2 him begging
for his job back in like dude,

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God damn it.
Fucking gets teh outs.

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I mean, I stop representing me
and media.

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I’m trying to be a cool
underground art guy and then now

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it’s lame.
Thank you.

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You’ve Big Bang Theory.
The my dream, fucking sack

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breath.
So I love scrubs.

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I got I like, I had no problem
with Zach Braff.

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It’s always have my, here’s the
Garden State.

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The problem is, ooh, yeah, Zach
Braff made a very Zeitgeist the

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movie 14 years ago and then his
de Tsum.

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That that’s what he can do.
Now for anything he can just

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show up be like I’m Zach Braff
support me on patreon,

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everyone’s like you’re famous,
fuck you.

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Yeah.
Don’t you fucking dare support

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him on patreon.
Yeah, your bands we will do a

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little check if you’re
supporting Alex ink on patreon,

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you’re out.
Yeah, I fucking saw this one on

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Twitter made, a robot that wrote
an episode of Scrubs based on

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all the other scripts and then
Backdraft it like a reading of

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it and I was like, wow, what a
neat thing to do is nice.

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They took the time to read that
and yeah, play for everybody.

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And then I was a quickly had to
rebuff my support of the man

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after his her podcasting TV
show.

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Yeah, that is insane.
But my guess is that that

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Twitter bot script was for
people who subscribed and, you

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know, put money into a
Kickstarter, like, oh sweet.

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I get to go, sit in the fucking
room with Zach Braff.

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What a?
What a bonus that would be

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exciting.
Yeah, I mean, I think I’ll be a

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nice cat to talk to.
I never I never Forget any kind

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of like shitty Hollywood vibe
from him, really?

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Yeah.
Yeah, who knows?

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I feel like he’s kind of like
the comedy actor Keanu, Reeves.

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Like, I feel like he’s got a
little bit of sadness behind the

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eyes.
You know, could be speaking of

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sadness behind the eyes.
Hey everybody, I’m guessing on

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the show you talking about oh
wow, we are talking about my

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favorite not my favorite
conspiracy theory, especially

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not since we covered if This
faked his death a few weeks ago?

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Yeah.
We’re a now, my favorite where

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we are Elvis truthers.
Be really weird.

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If he faked his death, a few
weeks ago in love this whole

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time but uh-oh, not feeling so
good.

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My stomach just doesn’t chart
now how great would it be funny

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if you find it Elvis was writing
like extant stassi own songs and

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shit like that was his thing
out.

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He was just like yeah you know
you know fuck it up black

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beetles by race Ram that was me.
I’ve I ghostwrote that literally

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As a ghost I’d love it.
If Elvis was like, I really got

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into coding.
I made this Twitter bot that

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real the scrubs episode.
We’re talking about who killed

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Kurt Cobain, by the way i4ii, I
have my priorities in life

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correct.
I sure.

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I skipped therapy today.
So we could do this.

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Oh, good.
Yeah, it seems like the right

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move.
Right?

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Well this yeah and we’re doing
to f.

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Are you going to stay for the
second I’m staying for all of

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it.
So we’re doing two episodes.

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Actually to Travis will be here
for the next two weeks. this

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episode, we’re talking about who
killed Kurt Cobain, and then was

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me by And then you can just much
like how puffy killed Biggie so

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he could continue to own, all
the music you killed Kurt.

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Cobain.
So years later, you could do a

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podcast about that.
I was, it’s a long con but it’s

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worth it.
Yeah, yeah.

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And then next week, we’re
talking about the insane theory

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that Courtney Love is basically
a CIA operative who infiltrates

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upstart music scenes to cause
chaos and get everyone hooked on

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drugs.
Yeah, sounds crazy when I say it

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and then Crazier.
When you hear the actual support

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that supports all of it?
It’s yeah.

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Nuts.
I’m always, I’m always reticent

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to call any kind of woman in the
public sphere, you know, a a

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murderer or a shyster but it’s
like man, dude.

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Something’s going on.
I think it’s also.

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It’s Courtney Love.
You know what?

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Yeah, you know there’s not she’s
not I’m sure doesn’t get the

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same protections and she should
have Her own school.

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Well, that’s I don’t know.
Does she have a school that

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she’s really Kurt the Courtney
Love Academy?

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And, you know, like, you know,
Salvador something that shit.

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She might have a fucking trained
operative base camp somewhere

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where she’s she’s grooming young
women possible.

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Yeah, but first let’s let’s this
week.

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We’re going to talk about the
Kurt.

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Cobain suicide or death.
Seems weird to take these out of

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order instead of going with
Courtney, Love’s history

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building up to this for the, we
should.

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To go with the event and then
what led to the event.

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I think it’s an order.
Yeah, we’re doing good.

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There were Pulp Fiction me this
thing?

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Exactly.
Welcome to the Memento podcast.

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Yeah, so Kurt Cobain dies.
We start today’s backwards, it’s

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in the right order.
Yeah.

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And then it and then it had
plays a message from the devil

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who is also Kurt Cobain.
I think it’s Zach Braff, is what

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I did.
I would be if I could ever like

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get a tag where I’d had someone
play the devil, it It’d be Zach

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Braff because Glenn Danzig is
not going to do it and that is

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my first choice, he would be the
best choice.

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So, most of the information for
this episode comes from the

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website, Cobain case.com fun
fact, that is the website run by

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Tom Grant, who is the private
investigator, who has been

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dogged, Lee, researching this
case, since 1990.

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Since literally a few days
before.

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Kurt Cobain died, he’s the one
who has not Nova grunge.

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The most.
Yeah, yeah, he’s really feeling

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it.
It’s always 1994 to Tom Grant.

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Yeah, it seems, that was really
excited about the Sonic Youth

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remaster of cool.
You know, he’s he back in the

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day, you could buy a Kurt Cobain
conspiracy case File from his

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website, which was a book that
he printed out with one of those

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clear plastic covers with, like,
the plastic washer on the side

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special.
Yeah, yeah.

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And then He would autograph it
for you, which come on.

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Yeah, because, you know, private
investigators from an autograph.

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You like, I just want to
justice, but for an extra five

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dollars, he’s gonna be like, I
got some fans, man, they want

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some sign shit, you know, that
it, that is kind of like Grant

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heads out there who want some
stuff, whatever me, and Keith

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carrying on the road.
We always end up listening to

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The Alex Jones Show and he’ll be
going in this big tirade about

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like what anti-Semitism really
is and globalism and blah, blah

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blah and be like, that’s why
have you keep buying?

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The toothpaste will be able to
keep the anti-media machine

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running?
Smoothly.

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And we can expose the the lizard
goblins and then we can bring

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truth to America.
It’s all about America and you

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just like shit.
So, all of this was for

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toothpaste.
Yep.

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You know that was that’s the
endgame here.

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I need to listen to more Alex
Jones now.

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Given how much I do listen to
you about kids, listen to any

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episode, I just always just
whatever episode of the show is

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on that day.
I’ll throw it on when we’re in

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the car and it’s always the
crate.

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It’s every episode is like, you
see those highlight reels of,

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like Alex Jones meltdown at
every single one.

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Is that there that it’s that
every week and it’s so good and

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conard fucking nailed it.
Like just call up Connor and

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just be like give me the rundown
and the hill it’ll sound just

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like the sean.conner has a long
history of wrecking.

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His voice on this podcast doing.
Oh yeah, I just have I haven’t

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felt and I haven’t done them in
a while.

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I haven’t I’m just like I’ve run
it really any impression that I

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do is like 12 words and then I
just kind of like mumbling

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between them so it’s just like
globalists toothpaste.

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He fucks, do we got em right?

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just like Hillary’s emails after

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you drink a little bit of this
in your morning coffee.

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All right, now back to the show
demon, Alex Jones, everybody.

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Yeah, it’s always, there’s the,
my favorite one is either as a

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coffee ad.
And now we’ve been and there’s

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like, there’s like, spooky
jungle sounds going on in the

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background.
Like, yeah, you know.

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Now we’ve been able to secure.
Supply of shade-grown arabica

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beans now head on over to
infowar shop dot life and pick

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up a bag or two and I think you
won’t be disappointed.

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And we’ve been going through
back-channel negotiations with

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Al Salvadorian.
Farmers for decades, trying to

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get a stash of these special
beings my favorite and I’m sure

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it’s gonna be your friend.
He’s like, he’s like a good like

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add read guy like you listen to
a podcast even religious, almost

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be like are your underwear bad.
You get this underwear, they’re

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better.
You know.

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But here I’m just and I’m like
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I was like, man.
That sounds pretty good.

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I don’t know what any of those
things mean, but I mean, that

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sounds pretty.
This is like a copy Roman shade.

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Well maze.
I need that’s the secrets of the

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natives, you know, coffee beans.
Only grow in shade so you can’t

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grow them in the sun.
They would burn.

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Can you do?
They fucking he just, it’s like

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all other cobby, but the fact
that he said, shade-grown makes

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me go.
Oh, this must be special.

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Nope, coffee, though.
Me the energy to crossbows

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tyranny.
Nope, totally.

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Just some bullshit.
I guess we’re talking about a

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different conspiracy today is
shade-grown coffee sheer.

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See, maybe I think it’s just
Shady coffee cookies, like just

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like, not that great of coffee.
It’s just grown by a drag queen,

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who’s just like Sashay away.
That’s my queen.

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I guess.
I don’t know what that was

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pretty good.
It wasn’t.

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It wasn’t great, but I think you
took a swing and I think that’s

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okay, I’m not gonna swing and
you better call it.

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Miss.
Yeah, I did.

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So I should point out just for
the sake of putting it all on

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the table.
I did buy one of those Cobain

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case manuals.
Why dude.

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Hell yeah man, I don’t have it
anymore.

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I will do it but I did buy one
and all I got out of his

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birthday was a pack of
Parliament.

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Should have gotten them.
Yeah, it’s my, I’ve had a really

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made the right choice on brand
birthday.

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So far, I’ve gotten two gifts.
One was a very expensive box of

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cigars for my girlfriend.
And another was packed,

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cigarettes from Connor
mcspadden.

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That’s so nice.
I mean, to now, I just need

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someone to bring me weed.
I gave you a hug.

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That was great.
That was nice.

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I like that a lot.
Yeah, the just like ours and

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some cigars of body counts.
And yeah, this is Travis Mills.

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Looks like he smells like a
cigar easily easily.

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So, so the thing about the
Cobain case website is Tom Grant

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has since taken all of the
information off of it, and put

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it in an old-timey book that you
have to pay money to read.

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And if anyone’s ever listen to
heart-shaped pod, you know, mmm,

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not so into reading books, for
these podcasts on who brings us.

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Will get to it.
But everybody loves our murder.

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That was the book that he’s
been.

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So a lot of this also comes from
the book drugs as a weapon

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against us, which I’ve been To
do episodes about ever since I

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discovered it.
Yeah it is a fantastic read.

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It’s about 9 million pages long
and it’s just about the cia’s

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alleged history of using
musicians and entertainment to

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sell drugs and it’s quite a read
and that’s all Tom Grant.

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No no drugs as a weapon against
us is written by John.

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L potash, is that his no jarnell
potash drugs as As Weapons

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against us.
The cia’s murderous targeting of

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SDS Panthers, Hendrix, Lennon,
Cobain Tupac and other leftists.

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Like you Connor.
Oh what me reading this book

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like I’m it’s my birthday so I’m
drinking a beer while we record

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but also reading this book is
everydays your brows like yeah

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Adam is 800 years old but I’m
also like if you This book, I

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kind of feel like I have to keep
pushing Weed and Alcohol on

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people just to stay safe from
the CIA.

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Yeah, because once you once you
start going.

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Now let’s scale back to drugs a
little bit.

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If I don’t keep romanticizing,
my Zoloft lifestyle, than the

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government’s going to swoop in
and take my patreon money away,

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it’s entirely possible.
You both are Shadow agents and

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not even aware of it.
I’ve always wanted to be a

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Chevrolet.
Don’t doubt.

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Yeah.
Right.

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The only thing that would be
better is if I was aware of it.

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That would be cool too.
So, like The Bourne Legacy, but

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it’s just alcohol, it’s just
blues and agents.

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Only growing Shadows Travis
about you.

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Fucking knew that these are
shade-grown.

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Dissidents used to overthrow the
most.

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So let’s talk about Kurt Cobain
the first, you need a populist

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Uprising.
The won’t cut out when you need

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it to shade-grown Arabian
dissidents, we’ve been doing

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bat-channel deals with, see I,
it was just like, I can’t.

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Like Alex Jones in this ad is
wearing a Panama Hat and

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crouching in the jungle.
You know, he’s like what like

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wearing like 1/8 button
unbuttoned mailman shirts, just

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like I’ve been able to finally
secure the shade grown arabica

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beans.
So let’s one of the interesting

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things that this book and Tom
grants book brings up is that

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it’s very possible that when
Kurt Cobain died, it was not the

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first attempt to kill him.
Yeah, there’s in.

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An interesting story, apparently
on May 2nd 1993.

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Kurt overdosed on heroin
accidentally accident.

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Good thing you did air quotes
that works and Courtney Love in

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an interview said that after
this happened, she gave him

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buprenorphine to help you refine
or if you the best for

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overdosing of the drugs and it
is.

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It’s a drug for treating opioid
addiction.

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It wasn’t he in Italy when he
overdosed?

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I think I was that was it?
For all this adult.

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Sorry I thought I know there’s
one where he tried to overdose

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or he just did a shitload of
heroin after he had Courtney

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like joked about cheating on
him.

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I’ve heard that before from not
from a corneal of interview.

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Jesus yeah that’s that’s
probably from the, what was the

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other HBO documentary was it
called Soaked in Bleach?

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No Soaked in Bleach is the well,
there’s the one that murdered

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that they put on top of heck.
Yeah, that was so good.

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And I think that’s where that’s
because Courtney Love’s spins a

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really different story of Kurt.
Cobain’s, last hold on.

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There’s die for By forgetting to
tell me that Courtney Love has a

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different opinion that puts her
in the center and painter in a

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good light, I raised.
I’m, I forget who said it but

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someone was talking about
Montage of hack.

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And it’s like, yeah.
All this old footage of

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Courtney, Love naked and he’s
like, I would rather stare into

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the sun because a quote from
somebody, those kind of Nirvana

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adjacent I saw I think it was in
like an old issue of Maxim or

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something, but they did a thing
where they had celebrities

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comment on photos and there was
a picture of Courtney Love,

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holding a dude’s face.
To her breast and like trying to

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put hurt it in his mouth just
like out in public.

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Sure.
And exhibit of all people his

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comment was exhibit exhibit.
My rides.

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Exert you like fish tank.
So I put some fish tanks in your

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Nissan exhibit.
His comment was, I would rather

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have my shirt pulled over my
head and be beaten with a lead

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pipe.
Wow to be in that man’s position

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bitch.
Please indeed also to I didn’t

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know Nissan made an exhibit
Nissan exhibit Fun Connor,

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mcspadden trivia.
I did a clinical trial for the

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drug that they now use to stop
people.

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Overdosing from heroin for which
I was paid twenty four hundred

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dollars and if you guys if you
if you need some good loser

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money, I highly recommend
clinical trials.

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The elaborate, I know a few
people who partake in clinical

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trials, some of them, some of
them make a good amount of

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money.
Oh yeah, I wouldn’t.

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I would still do them.
If I wasn’t on antidepressants,

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you can’t be on any medication
or do any drugs.

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Long were you on this clinical
trial?

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I did 60.
Night stays that were all

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separate from each other, and
they just shot, like, what felt

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like?
It was like a, like, a bunch of

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easy cheese into my butt cheek,
and then I just kind of had to

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hang out.
I slept in a room with a, like a

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Russian guy.
That’s Nord, really, really

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loud.
And then like an ex-con and like

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another nerd and yeah, it was a
Is Not Great, you know, it’s

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cold.
You had to have a guy like a

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blood catheter in your arm, but
I mean, it’s a lot about, that’s

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$400 a day also to.
Yeah, I love that.

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You might have been the placebo,
and it’s like, it really was

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easy cheese.
Like, they’re just like, well,

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yeah.
You got you have multiplicity

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and the real thing, like some
day, you wouldn’t know, but I

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mean they’d be shooting stuff in
your butt cheek.

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We got the control Drew group,
we call that the easy group, I

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have learned that.
If you point your toes together,

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it relaxes your butt cheek
muscle.

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Sure.
You get a shot on your butt.

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Point your toes together, so it
goes in easier.

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Oh nice.
So kind of a fun fact.

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Fun fact, if you have a catheter
and doctor tells you to wiggle

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your toes, he’s about to pull it
out.

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Trying to distract you, it was a
blood catheter on my arm, not a

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dick, had it catheter.
My condolences buddy, wasn’t

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fun.
So the the thing about this

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other heroin in death, she said
in an interview that she

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injected him with buprenorphine
to him, that’s up to you.

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Have to inject?
Yeah, well, she just walks

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around.
You see in Pulp Fiction?

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Yes, excuse, walks around Pulp
Fiction.

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That’s all with one of those
deaths.

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The opioid epidemic right now,
people all over the country are

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injecting motherfuckers with.
But in Pakistan, I think it’s

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called in Pulp Fiction.
It Was adrenaline.

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It wasn’t yeah, yeah but it’s
still, it’s still the same

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concept you’re so.
So you can imagine if you’re

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like a responsible user you
carry around like an EpiPen of

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the stuff.
Yeah, I would assume.

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And yeah, Courtney Love the
responsible one.

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But the thing also is in that
same interview, she said she

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also force-fed him Valium and
Tylenol with codeine, yep, which

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if you’re overdosing on opiates,
those are the last two things.

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Like, you might as well pour
whiskey down.

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Is yeah.
Is going to calm him down.

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That does thallium volume is an
OB, it isn’t it?

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Yeah.
Valium like your don’t think so.

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No, it is.
You’re not supposed to maybe

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some muscle relaxant ring.
Yeah, it’s a muscle relaxer.

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Valium.
You’re not no, no people do all

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the time.
Oh yeah.

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I have to like, it can literally
stop blood volume.

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You should definitely have a
drink or two.

430
00:22:21,800 –> 00:22:23,600
It makes it a lot.
Have you ever wanted to feel

431
00:22:23,600 –> 00:22:27,000
super heavy?
Yeah, I had an ex-girlfriend.

432
00:22:27,000 –> 00:22:29,000
Who was mad at me for about
three days?

433
00:22:29,000 –> 00:22:32,900
After I told her I drank and
took valium at the same time and

434
00:22:32,900 –> 00:22:35,600
she knew drugs.
So and you’re like dude, this

435
00:22:35,600 –> 00:22:38,000
cracked article about the
world’s craziest generals is not

436
00:22:38,000 –> 00:22:40,900
going to ride itself.
I need inspiration from my muse

437
00:22:40,900 –> 00:22:44,100
valuing whiskey, I had a
girlfriend for three years who

438
00:22:44,100 –> 00:22:46,300
drank and did volume the whole
time.

439
00:22:46,300 –> 00:22:48,800
So you know, that’s got to be
like dating a beanbag chair.

440
00:22:48,900 –> 00:22:51,800
That sounds tough.
What would she was awake?

441
00:22:51,800 –> 00:22:54,200
We did argue, but when we, she
wasn’t, we really got along.

442
00:22:54,200 –> 00:22:59,300
Well, yeah, so that’s kind of
suspicious that she fed him

443
00:22:59,300 –> 00:23:02,400
these other drugs while he’s in
the midst of an opioid, I’m We

444
00:23:02,400 –> 00:23:05,300
all like Nirvana right now
because I also did a girl.

445
00:23:05,300 –> 00:23:11,700
They did Heavy opiates.
And then there’s the ROM suicide

446
00:23:11,700 –> 00:23:17,600
attempt which I think it’s the
sublime with Rome soon.

447
00:23:17,900 –> 00:23:19,900
Yeah.
I can see it in you.

448
00:23:20,700 –> 00:23:23,400
I heard the word I heard the S
letter come envelopes and I was

449
00:23:23,408 –> 00:23:25,500
like I’ll do it soon as it have
to.

450
00:23:26,100 –> 00:23:29,200
I’ve built up a good amount of
bomb credits with a whole Alex

451
00:23:29,200 –> 00:23:33,600
Jones thing.
I was funny Shade road.

452
00:23:33,600 –> 00:23:36,700
I prefer, never write.
This is the premium product for

453
00:23:36,700 –> 00:23:41,000
its stopping a drug overdose My
Buddy Rush Who I won’t use his

454
00:23:41,000 –> 00:23:45,800
full name honors dying already.
Oh my God, I love ya.

455
00:23:45,800 –> 00:23:49,200
I got I got about two paragraphs
a day and then it’s an

456
00:23:49,200 –> 00:23:50,000
excellent.
Real.

457
00:23:50,000 –> 00:23:52,500
Alex Jones is like, he’s what if
I just want him to be like I

458
00:23:52,500 –> 00:23:54,800
can’t keep doing this voice.
Why are you guys making me?

459
00:23:54,800 –> 00:23:57,900
Do this for you?
Alex Jones is Bill Hicks.

460
00:23:58,100 –> 00:24:01,100
Oh, that’s true.
Yeah, or Bill Hader, it seems

461
00:24:01,100 –> 00:24:02,600
like it might be a Bill Hader
character.

462
00:24:02,600 –> 00:24:06,000
Could be the best investment
ever is when he was like a we’re

463
00:24:06,000 –> 00:24:08,200
calling me racist, I’m down
there hanging out with black

464
00:24:08,200 –> 00:24:10,400
people at the barbecue.
Going every day they make the

465
00:24:10,400 –> 00:24:14,600
best barbecue people.
Shade-grown Barb is literally

466
00:24:15,500 –> 00:24:20,000
using barbecue as a defense of
his ideals kids, if he said,

467
00:24:20,000 –> 00:24:23,000
chicken, that would be racist.
Yeah, yeah, that would be.

468
00:24:23,000 –> 00:24:25,600
So he went with the second most
racist, meet ribs.

469
00:24:26,500 –> 00:24:29,900
So the thing about the Rome
suicide attempt, the only person

470
00:24:29,900 –> 00:24:33,300
who really called that a suicide
attempt was Courtney Love.

471
00:24:33,600 –> 00:24:36,900
Hmm, his doctor.
There’s actually will play this

472
00:24:36,900 –> 00:24:38,900
video.
It’s really short but calling it

473
00:24:38,900 –> 00:24:41,700
an accidental overdose isn’t
that the same thing as a suicide

474
00:24:41,700 –> 00:24:44,800
attempt?
No no I love being intentional

475
00:24:44,800 –> 00:24:47,600
overdose.
Yeah, what this guy says,

476
00:24:47,700 –> 00:24:57,000
basically improving.
This study has been hospitalized

477
00:24:57,000 –> 00:25:01,100
as a dual major Hospital in the
state of the coma and

478
00:25:01,100 –> 00:25:05,400
respiratory failure.
Today, he’s a recovering from

479
00:25:05,400 –> 00:25:10,900
the pharmacological combat you
not to the Codex, but the

480
00:25:10,900 –> 00:25:16,100
combined effect of alcohol All
and tranquilizer that had been

481
00:25:16,200 –> 00:25:20,200
legally prescribed by dr.
Tranquilizer.

482
00:25:20,500 –> 00:25:22,800
It’s you don’t know this part,
it was Rohypnol.

483
00:25:22,900 –> 00:25:29,100
Roofies are what Kurt Cobain
overdosed on in Rome and that

484
00:25:29,100 –> 00:25:33,800
doctor actually in the medical
report says they were most

485
00:25:33,800 –> 00:25:38,000
likely crushed up and put in the
champagne he was drinking.

486
00:25:38,300 –> 00:25:43,600
Oh, so he didn’t know any of
that, but that’s if you In all

487
00:25:43,600 –> 00:25:47,100
of the books, all the Nirvana
books that have been written his

488
00:25:47,100 –> 00:25:50,400
reaction after that, when he
wakes up in the hospital, he was

489
00:25:50,400 –> 00:25:54,900
just like allegedly furious with
Courtney Love and like snatched

490
00:25:54,900 –> 00:25:58,500
his fucking like IVs and shit
out.

491
00:25:58,500 –> 00:26:03,200
And like she is the only person
who called that a suicide

492
00:26:03,200 –> 00:26:07,000
attempt which is really
interesting to me that is a

493
00:26:07,700 –> 00:26:11,100
that’s no good.
And so this is the part in

494
00:26:11,100 –> 00:26:14,800
history where Kurt was Pressed
and suicidal the last month of

495
00:26:14,800 –> 00:26:17,400
his life.
That’s where the story that that

496
00:26:17,400 –> 00:26:19,300
narrative comes from.
Yeah.

497
00:26:19,600 –> 00:26:23,100
And if you watch all of the
different list, so many fucking

498
00:26:23,100 –> 00:26:25,200
documentaries about this.
There’s so many books.

499
00:26:25,600 –> 00:26:28,300
You do have people who are like,
yeah, he was sad, like, he tried

500
00:26:28,300 –> 00:26:31,100
to kill himself somewhere.
Always sad, right?

501
00:26:31,100 –> 00:26:35,000
But there are several people who
say during this time and

502
00:26:35,000 –> 00:26:38,800
especially on that European tour
that he wasn’t using drugs.

503
00:26:38,800 –> 00:26:40,800
He wasn’t like know.
We watch those.

504
00:26:40,800 –> 00:26:42,900
That was in France, that was
kind of like a monkey.

505
00:26:43,200 –> 00:26:46,300
Like he looked amazing.
Sounded amazing.

506
00:26:46,300 –> 00:26:49,800
The band was together.
No, fucking it was clear.

507
00:26:49,800 –> 00:26:52,900
He was there, right?
And that, like, his grandfather

508
00:26:52,900 –> 00:26:56,300
Leland Cobain, who was
apparently the family member?

509
00:26:56,300 –> 00:26:58,700
He was closest to, he doesn’t
think.

510
00:26:58,700 –> 00:27:01,400
Kurt Cobain was suicidal.
At the time, his friend Dylan

511
00:27:01,400 –> 00:27:05,700
Carlson said, Kurt, Cobain was
not suicidal at the time, pretty

512
00:27:05,700 –> 00:27:07,900
fucking crazy.
Yeah, because I mean, some of

513
00:27:07,900 –> 00:27:09,900
those like, the, some of those
European tour videos is like

514
00:27:09,900 –> 00:27:11,800
some of the best Nirvana videos.
Oh my gosh.

515
00:27:11,800 –> 00:27:14,500
Oh yeah, there’s this These
France there was like

516
00:27:14,500 –> 00:27:16,000
everything.
Like a TV studio.

517
00:27:16,000 –> 00:27:18,600
It’s some of the best live
performance I’ve ever seen them

518
00:27:18,600 –> 00:27:20,400
do.
Oh, yeah, it’s unbelievable.

519
00:27:20,400 –> 00:27:24,700
Yeah, they have a bootleg called
Roma that I think was from their

520
00:27:24,700 –> 00:27:29,200
show in Rome and it’s like the
Nirvana bootleg, like, the sound

521
00:27:29,200 –> 00:27:31,300
quality is great, the show is
great.

522
00:27:31,800 –> 00:27:35,200
He seemed to be in pretty and
also remember the stomach

523
00:27:35,200 –> 00:27:38,600
ailment that he blamed wasn’t a
real stomach in his heroin,

524
00:27:38,600 –> 00:27:41,300
right?
It was eventually diagnosed as a

525
00:27:41,300 –> 00:27:42,900
pinched nerve in his back,
right?

526
00:27:43,000 –> 00:27:45,700
And the pain was just like
wrapping around to a stomach.

527
00:27:45,800 –> 00:27:48,600
So by this time, he had even
sorted that out.

528
00:27:48,600 –> 00:27:49,800
Yeah.
He’s like, okay, well, this is

529
00:27:49,800 –> 00:27:51,500
how I’m going to deal with this
because I would bet that that

530
00:27:51,500 –> 00:27:53,700
have been kind of the impetus
for most of the heroin use,

531
00:27:53,800 –> 00:27:56,400
right?
He had by this time by all

532
00:27:56,400 –> 00:27:59,700
accounts, stop using heroin
because they had diagnosed his

533
00:27:59,700 –> 00:28:04,000
stomach ailment, and he was
taking medication for it.

534
00:28:04,000 –> 00:28:10,000
That took care of it, she’s and
it gets weirder on March 18th,

535
00:28:10,000 –> 00:28:12,200
which was after he was back in
Seattle.

536
00:28:12,200 –> 00:28:14,400
After the The suicide attempt in
Rome.

537
00:28:14,400 –> 00:28:17,100
What do we 93 or 94?
Now, this is 94.

538
00:28:17,100 –> 00:28:19,500
This March 18th.
This is right before he died.

539
00:28:19,600 –> 00:28:24,300
Yes, this is the weeks before he
dies. 24 years ago, on March,

540
00:28:24,300 –> 00:28:26,500
18th.
The police were called to the

541
00:28:26,500 –> 00:28:30,100
Cobain’s home and Courtney.
Love’s said, Kurt Cobain one,

542
00:28:30,100 –> 00:28:33,600
had a shotgun and to was
barricaded in a room,

543
00:28:33,600 –> 00:28:36,600
threatening to kill himself, the
police get there.

544
00:28:37,100 –> 00:28:41,600
Kurt Cobain does not have a gun.
Just like the song says, and

545
00:28:41,600 –> 00:28:46,000
they say he tells Police.
He was hiding in the room to get

546
00:28:46,000 –> 00:28:51,400
away from Kourtney and she in
that same police report, admits

547
00:28:51,400 –> 00:28:53,200
that she didn’t ever see him
with a gun.

548
00:28:53,200 –> 00:28:55,100
And he never said he was going
to kill himself.

549
00:28:55,100 –> 00:28:57,700
Wow, he was trying to get away
from Court, she’s just kind of

550
00:28:57,700 –> 00:29:00,300
like planting seeds, you know.
Yeah, yeah.

551
00:29:00,300 –> 00:29:02,800
Yeah.
It it’s it’s it’s pretty fucking

552
00:29:02,800 –> 00:29:03,900
weird.
So yeah.

553
00:29:03,900 –> 00:29:06,600
When they arrive around this
time Kourtney tells everyone

554
00:29:06,600 –> 00:29:10,000
that she saw Richard Gere with a
gerbil, you know like she’s just

555
00:29:10,000 –> 00:29:13,300
like trying to like create these
like rumors so that It sort of

556
00:29:13,308 –> 00:29:18,200
makes the makes her on have a
stomach pump, Jazz weird her,

557
00:29:18,200 –> 00:29:20,300
Jamie Lee Curtis there was semen
there.

558
00:29:20,300 –> 00:29:22,400
He was going she was gonna sing
Jamie Lee Curtis really had a

559
00:29:22,400 –> 00:29:25,100
dick it was really a I believe
that.

560
00:29:25,100 –> 00:29:28,600
Yeah let’s might be true.
Yeah, so nevertheless the police

561
00:29:28,600 –> 00:29:31,300
confiscate all the guns in the
house even though Kurt didn’t

562
00:29:31,300 –> 00:29:33,800
have one on him at the time and
more importantly They

563
00:29:33,800 –> 00:29:36,200
confiscated his stomach
medication.

564
00:29:36,200 –> 00:29:39,400
What what, which seems real.
I don’t know what exactly he

565
00:29:39,400 –> 00:29:40,800
was.
It have a slingshot was you

566
00:29:40,800 –> 00:29:42,800
shouldn’t big pills at her?
Like what’s he gonna do?

567
00:29:43,000 –> 00:29:45,400
Also do like stomach medication
like when they take fucking

568
00:29:45,400 –> 00:29:48,700
Tums, or they take like, like,
well yeah, that’s prescribe

569
00:29:48,700 –> 00:29:51,000
something.
For once they diagnosed, what is

570
00:29:51,000 –> 00:29:52,200
20?
She was gonna guess.

571
00:29:52,200 –> 00:29:54,100
It’s got to be some kind of pain
medication, because no one’s

572
00:29:54,100 –> 00:29:55,800
going to take fucking Pepto out
of the house.

573
00:29:55,800 –> 00:29:57,200
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

574
00:29:57,200 –> 00:29:59,600
I mean, I guess the thinking is
they took it thinking, if he

575
00:29:59,600 –> 00:30:01,200
took enough of it, it would kill
him.

576
00:30:01,700 –> 00:30:03,800
And his wife said he was
suicidal.

577
00:30:04,000 –> 00:30:07,500
So now it’s March 18th, it’s a
couple weeks before, Kurt Cobain

578
00:30:07,500 –> 00:30:11,800
dies, he’s by all accounts, not
on heroin at this point because

579
00:30:11,800 –> 00:30:14,800
the stomach issues been Resolved
and Courtney Love calls.

580
00:30:14,800 –> 00:30:17,300
The police gets to police there.
They take his stomach

581
00:30:17,300 –> 00:30:18,900
medication.
So that’s weird.

582
00:30:19,200 –> 00:30:22,500
Yeah, so the cops did it, the
cops probably did.

583
00:30:22,500 –> 00:30:26,800
Yeah, so I’ve heard this a bunch
before also around the end of

584
00:30:26,800 –> 00:30:30,500
March, Kurt Cobain, and Courtney
Love’s start arguing over

585
00:30:30,500 –> 00:30:33,800
Lollapalooza.
I mean, that’s a big 90s

586
00:30:33,800 –> 00:30:36,200
problem.
Fuck it.

587
00:30:37,000 –> 00:30:43,700
Yeah, we got there, but for the
grace, Oh God.

588
00:30:43,800 –> 00:30:47,200
Yeah, that’s that’s kind of like
the Dave Chappelle say I think

589
00:30:47,200 –> 00:30:49,100
Inside the Actors Studio like
the like, don’t think you’re

590
00:30:49,100 –> 00:30:51,300
going to turn down twenty
million dollars, your fifty

591
00:30:51,300 –> 00:30:53,300
million dollars in your wife’s
just going to be cool with you.

592
00:30:54,100 –> 00:30:57,500
Yeah, exactly.
And that’s kind of what

593
00:30:57,500 –> 00:30:58,800
happened.
He decides.

594
00:30:58,900 –> 00:31:02,500
He had been offered headlining
Lollapalooza that summer and

595
00:31:02,500 –> 00:31:05,100
look in the Lollapalooza came
off of Lollapalooza, 93.

596
00:31:05,100 –> 00:31:08,100
Arguably the lamest Lollapalooza
of all of them.

597
00:31:08,300 –> 00:31:10,000
Yeah, it was it was like
Lollapalooza.

598
00:31:10,000 –> 00:31:12,500
Kept getting bigger and then
Lollapalooza 93 happened and no

599
00:31:12,500 –> 00:31:15,000
one likes It’s that well, but I
mean you had Woodstock 93 to

600
00:31:15,000 –> 00:31:21,200
make up for any more and so he
apparently had been offered

601
00:31:21,200 –> 00:31:24,900
either 9 or 10 million dollars
to have Nirvana headline

602
00:31:24,900 –> 00:31:26,900
Lollapalooza and he didn’t want
to do it.

603
00:31:26,900 –> 00:31:30,800
He wanted to pull out, not do
the show, didn’t care about the

604
00:31:30,800 –> 00:31:33,200
money.
And this apparently turns into a

605
00:31:33,200 –> 00:31:36,800
big argument between Kurt Cobain
and Courtney Love.

606
00:31:37,200 –> 00:31:42,400
And around this time he also
called the band and said he was

607
00:31:42,400 –> 00:31:44,500
breaking up.
Band has that been corroborated

608
00:31:44,500 –> 00:31:46,100
by Gorilla?
Novoselic.

609
00:31:46,500 –> 00:31:50,200
I think it’s it’s been, it’s
discussed a lot in just the

610
00:31:50,200 –> 00:31:52,800
Nirvana history in general that
near the end.

611
00:31:52,800 –> 00:31:56,100
They were.
Yeah, pretty much broken up even

612
00:31:56,100 –> 00:31:59,000
from what I remember around the
time there was this big talk

613
00:31:59,000 –> 00:32:00,600
that current was going to go do
something.

614
00:32:00,600 –> 00:32:04,300
So Lo there was a great big like
ogres gonna go make her solo

615
00:32:04,300 –> 00:32:06,500
record and we were supposed to
care about that.

616
00:32:06,800 –> 00:32:09,800
So between pulling out a
Lollapalooza and threatening to

617
00:32:09,800 –> 00:32:12,700
break up the band.
Courtney Love.

618
00:32:13,800 –> 00:32:17,500
Gets his management team to
Stage an intervention and this

619
00:32:17,500 –> 00:32:20,300
is how he ends up in that rehab
center that he eventually

620
00:32:20,300 –> 00:32:23,700
escaped from.
They basically told him you have

621
00:32:23,700 –> 00:32:28,100
to go to rehab or we will cut
access to your daughter.

622
00:32:28,300 –> 00:32:31,200
Yeah.
Or we will severely limit access

623
00:32:31,200 –> 00:32:34,400
to your daughter if you don’t go
to rehab and he’s like, I’m not

624
00:32:34,400 –> 00:32:36,800
doing heroin.
But he fucking went to rehab

625
00:32:36,800 –> 00:32:44,100
anyway, apparently and he’s
called The Exodus Exodus And the

626
00:32:44,100 –> 00:32:47,300
reason, alright, because like,
like patient doctor-patient

627
00:32:47,300 –> 00:32:49,600
privilege, like, prevent people
from talking about what his

628
00:32:49,600 –> 00:32:51,500
experience was, like, at the
rehab because I feel like I

629
00:32:51,508 –> 00:32:54,200
never hear much about that, I
think so, but there are two

630
00:32:54,200 –> 00:32:56,500
psychiatrists who say they talk
to him.

631
00:32:56,900 –> 00:32:59,900
During that brief time, he was
in rehab, and they also say he

632
00:32:59,900 –> 00:33:02,600
was not suicide.
Also want to say, Mark lanegan

633
00:33:02,600 –> 00:33:04,400
was with him in one of those
rehab thing.

634
00:33:04,400 –> 00:33:12,800
It was the guy from the Butthole
Surfers gilby Clarke yep.

635
00:33:13,000 –> 00:33:17,800
Okay, is gilby Clarke who was in
that rehab with him and Kurt

636
00:33:17,800 –> 00:33:20,300
like people say, he escaped from
rehab.

637
00:33:20,700 –> 00:33:23,300
But what he actually did is he
jumped the wall in left.

638
00:33:23,300 –> 00:33:26,500
So yes, he escaped.
But the thinking is he like,

639
00:33:26,500 –> 00:33:28,400
he’s an adult.
He could have just walked out.

640
00:33:28,400 –> 00:33:30,800
Yeah.
But he didn’t want everyone to

641
00:33:30,800 –> 00:33:32,600
know.
He left you like wanted a

642
00:33:32,600 –> 00:33:39,700
jumpstart on escaping from this
rehab basically and he this is

643
00:33:39,700 –> 00:33:42,200
all corroborated with phone
records and shit while he was.

644
00:33:42,200 –> 00:33:46,000
There– Courtney.
Love calls Exodus 13 times on

645
00:33:46,000 –> 00:33:47,100
the pay phone.
Yeah.

646
00:33:47,100 –> 00:33:48,900
Have you ever have you ever
called the mental institution

647
00:33:48,900 –> 00:33:50,500
Payphone?
I’ve done that racket a few

648
00:33:50,500 –> 00:33:53,000
times I have.
Yeah, yeah, it’s weird because

649
00:33:53,000 –> 00:33:55,500
you got it and then there’s
always some disinterested person

650
00:33:55,500 –> 00:33:57,200
will be like, like Who you
calling for?

651
00:33:57,400 –> 00:33:59,700
James was like, I don’t know
James.

652
00:34:00,200 –> 00:34:01,100
Yeah.
I don’t know.

653
00:34:01,100 –> 00:34:03,500
I’ll tell him, I’ll call he’ll
call you later.

654
00:34:03,500 –> 00:34:05,500
Maybe.
And he’s like, this is the best

655
00:34:05,500 –> 00:34:08,000
system we got here is still.
It’s still a pay phone.

656
00:34:08,100 –> 00:34:11,699
Yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and
help out the one listener who

657
00:34:11,699 –> 00:34:13,300
will for sure want to correct.
Yes.

658
00:34:13,400 –> 00:34:16,199
Okay Gibby Haynes is the Libby
Haynes.

659
00:34:16,199 –> 00:34:18,300
Yeah.
Clark was a good time player.

660
00:34:18,300 –> 00:34:19,800
Who’s been atrocious?
Yeah.

661
00:34:20,699 –> 00:34:22,199
Axl.
Hey Axl.

662
00:34:23,800 –> 00:34:25,300
Yeah, that’s a really famous
story.

663
00:34:25,300 –> 00:34:29,199
He when he leaves rehab which
I’m jumping ahead a little, but

664
00:34:29,199 –> 00:34:33,000
the after he leaves rehab, he
first calls Courtney at the

665
00:34:33,000 –> 00:34:36,800
Peninsula Hotel in LA and says
he’s spending the night with

666
00:34:36,800 –> 00:34:39,900
another woman in California.
And then he flies back to

667
00:34:39,900 –> 00:34:42,800
Seattle, the next morning and on
that flight back to Seattle.

668
00:34:42,800 –> 00:34:45,800
He was actually sitting next to
Duff McKagan.

669
00:34:45,800 –> 00:34:50,100
Holy shit from cohn’s Building
Clark, that’s so crazy.

670
00:34:50,500 –> 00:34:53,500
It is weird, and we’ll just make
a candle.

671
00:34:53,699 –> 00:34:56,600
From Seattle, right?
So that kind of checks out.

672
00:34:56,800 –> 00:34:59,300
And on April 3rd, Courtney Love
calls Tom.

673
00:34:59,300 –> 00:35:03,400
Grant and says she can’t find
her husband and she hires him to

674
00:35:03,400 –> 00:35:06,600
track him down.
Whoa Courtney calls Tom Grant.

675
00:35:06,700 –> 00:35:09,600
Yeah Courtney I have you not
seen Soaked in Bleach that in a

676
00:35:09,607 –> 00:35:11,600
long time.
Courtney.

677
00:35:11,900 –> 00:35:15,400
Yeah, Courtney Love calls.
Tom Grant basically to help find

678
00:35:15,400 –> 00:35:17,300
Kurt Cobain.
She’s like, I want to show you a

679
00:35:17,300 –> 00:35:19,800
whole bunch in the near future
me a favor.

680
00:35:19,800 –> 00:35:23,200
Yeah, well, at the at the start,
she thought she was just hiring

681
00:35:23,200 –> 00:35:25,100
a private.
Private investigator, right?

682
00:35:25,500 –> 00:35:31,300
And what’s really great about
Tom Grant, is he recorded

683
00:35:31,300 –> 00:35:35,300
everything from this
investigation, every fucking

684
00:35:35,300 –> 00:35:39,100
conversation.
He had he recorded and you can

685
00:35:39,100 –> 00:35:40,900
go on his website.
He Co M.

686
00:35:41,200 –> 00:35:43,500
Yeah, he did.
Like, oh yeah.

687
00:35:43,900 –> 00:35:47,500
And what really, this is a thing
that bothers me.

688
00:35:47,600 –> 00:35:50,100
This is a quote.
I came across while researching

689
00:35:50,100 –> 00:35:52,000
this.
It’s from a site called Nirvana

690
00:35:52,000 –> 00:35:56,300
legacy.com.
And They did an article about

691
00:35:56,800 –> 00:36:00,200
the Kurt, Cobain conspiracy, and
this is her quote over and over

692
00:36:00,200 –> 00:36:02,100
again.
What really bothers me is that

693
00:36:02,100 –> 00:36:05,500
entire arguments are made on the
basis of nothing more than the

694
00:36:05,500 –> 00:36:08,700
statements of Tom Gran.
You can tell Adam doesn’t

695
00:36:08,700 –> 00:36:12,300
disagree with disagrees in this
quote, because you’re not, he

696
00:36:12,300 –> 00:36:15,600
claims Courtney was attempting
to mislead him or told him

697
00:36:15,600 –> 00:36:19,400
things he found untrue yet over.
And again, the only word

698
00:36:19,400 –> 00:36:22,100
available is that of Tom Grant?
No motherfucker.

699
00:36:22,100 –> 00:36:24,700
He recorded.
Everything.

700
00:36:24,700 –> 00:36:28,400
Yeah, everything he says,
Courtney, Love’s said he has her

701
00:36:28,400 –> 00:36:32,700
on tape saying it everything, he
says, Rosemary Carroll who will

702
00:36:32,700 –> 00:36:34,600
get to later everything he
claims.

703
00:36:34,600 –> 00:36:39,300
She says he has audio of her
saying, well then, that changes

704
00:36:39,300 –> 00:36:41,900
everything.
That’s, that’s from our other

705
00:36:41,900 –> 00:36:45,400
podcasts, okay?
People get it crossover God’s

706
00:36:45,400 –> 00:36:51,300
over the Globetrotters and
Scooby-Doo together at last.

707
00:36:52,900 –> 00:36:55,900
I like doing it.
Carol Burnett and I don’t know,

708
00:36:56,000 –> 00:36:59,500
Sandy Duncan.
Yeah, my favorite fucking is

709
00:36:59,500 –> 00:37:01,800
crossover.
That I’ve discovered is the cast

710
00:37:01,800 –> 00:37:05,000
of Frasier on Star Trek Voyager
as like a sketch for something

711
00:37:05,200 –> 00:37:07,300
as a pretty funny sketch and
it’s just the Frazier people

712
00:37:07,300 –> 00:37:08,800
dressed up like Voyager
characters.

713
00:37:09,100 –> 00:37:11,000
It’s awesome.
It’s really, it’s just like

714
00:37:11,000 –> 00:37:12,700
funny to watch.
Yeah, it sounds awesome.

715
00:37:12,700 –> 00:37:17,800
Yeah.
Anyway, so on April, 4th,

716
00:37:17,800 –> 00:37:20,100
Courtney, Love calls in a
missing persons report on.

717
00:37:20,100 –> 00:37:23,400
It’s a bad day pretending to be
his hot mom.

718
00:37:23,500 –> 00:37:26,300
ND, which is Kurt Cobain’s.
Mom, hot.

719
00:37:26,400 –> 00:37:28,000
Oh, yeah, sure.
Allegedly.

720
00:37:28,000 –> 00:37:29,900
That’s can we get a picture of
this bitch?

721
00:37:29,900 –> 00:37:32,100
And she and, and Kurt was very
sensitive about it.

722
00:37:32,100 –> 00:37:33,900
He did not like that.
His friends all thought that his

723
00:37:33,900 –> 00:37:35,800
mom was hot.
Oh really, we had a big problem

724
00:37:35,800 –> 00:37:36,900
with it.
Interesting.

725
00:37:38,000 –> 00:37:40,700
Well, that’s Courtney Love.
That was, that’s Francis being

726
00:37:40,700 –> 00:37:42,900
down there.
Yeah, that doesn’t do anything

727
00:37:42,900 –> 00:37:44,900
for me.
Is that her?

728
00:37:45,000 –> 00:37:47,800
I mean that’s that’s not it.
That’s a pretty that’s her but

729
00:37:47,800 –> 00:37:52,800
that’s a 2014 picture.
Yeah I can extrapolate yeah yeah

730
00:37:52,800 –> 00:37:55,600
you can work backwards from that
and zoom in and zoom and enhance

731
00:37:55,600 –> 00:37:58,400
enhance younger.
Look at the one in there with

732
00:37:58,400 –> 00:38:01,300
the pay her and the Dead with a
jump on this keyboard with me

733
00:38:01,300 –> 00:38:04,300
like an TV shows which operate
one side.

734
00:38:04,300 –> 00:38:08,500
Yeah that’s your look Chris of
course Chris yeah bad like a

735
00:38:08,500 –> 00:38:13,000
like a fresh apple crisp with
and Chris Wright and Adnan Ivana

736
00:38:13,000 –> 00:38:15,200
put a fucking tea on People get
mad.

737
00:38:15,700 –> 00:38:19,500
So on April 4th she files this
missing persons report claiming

738
00:38:19,500 –> 00:38:23,600
to be Kurt Cobain’s.
Mom, on April 6th, she sends Tom

739
00:38:23,600 –> 00:38:27,400
Grant to Seattle to look for
Kurt on April, 8th and electric

740
00:38:27,400 –> 00:38:30,800
electrician discovers.
His dead body in the sun room

741
00:38:30,800 –> 00:38:33,700
above the garage of his home.
But was it the fourth when they

742
00:38:33,700 –> 00:38:36,800
think he really died?
See that?

743
00:38:36,800 –> 00:38:39,300
I think I know it’s before the
8, right?

744
00:38:39,300 –> 00:38:41,400
The eighth was when he was
found, right?

745
00:38:41,500 –> 00:38:45,100
But yeah, when did I want to
know when he recorded Doremi?

746
00:38:45,100 –> 00:38:47,300
And all of this, that’s such a
wonderful tune.

747
00:38:47,400 –> 00:38:50,500
I think it was January of that
year.

748
00:38:50,500 –> 00:38:54,500
Okay, call from the, with the
lights out box set, right?

749
00:38:54,500 –> 00:38:56,800
I think it was like January or
something, because I always kind

750
00:38:56,800 –> 00:38:59,500
of pictured it like while he was
on the run from everything, you

751
00:38:59,500 –> 00:39:02,600
know, I that’s that’s kind of
how it played to me just

752
00:39:02,600 –> 00:39:05,100
listening to it.
Really sounded like he was yeah,

753
00:39:05,100 –> 00:39:08,000
could be, you know, Kind of like
just fucking beleaguered by, by

754
00:39:08,000 –> 00:39:10,500
all of this shit or it was,
like, literally.

755
00:39:10,500 –> 00:39:12,800
The last thing like the tape was
still running.

756
00:39:13,200 –> 00:39:14,400
Yeah.
If you ain’t helping back,

757
00:39:14,400 –> 00:39:16,300
there’s like a, it’s like a long
pause.

758
00:39:16,300 –> 00:39:18,500
And there’s a loud bang.
I’m not sure what happened.

759
00:39:18,500 –> 00:39:20,500
It’s like, is it maybe drop the
record.

760
00:39:20,500 –> 00:39:22,300
It’s one of the most haunting
things you’ll ever hear.

761
00:39:22,300 –> 00:39:23,900
If you’ve never listened to
because right, it’s not a

762
00:39:23,900 –> 00:39:26,500
neuron, assuming that a ton of
people know, it’s not a super

763
00:39:26,500 –> 00:39:30,700
obscure, but listen to do re me
and Jesus Christ, real real

764
00:39:30,700 –> 00:39:32,800
human pain.
Like that’s like, if you had to

765
00:39:32,800 –> 00:39:36,500
like, send a tape out to outer
space to kind of I’ve explained

766
00:39:36,500 –> 00:39:39,400
the spectrum of human life.
You would probably include

767
00:39:39,400 –> 00:39:43,200
Doremi pitch packet, you know?
Yeah, it’s a really in something

768
00:39:43,200 –> 00:39:46,300
by the Black Eyed Peas.
Yeah continent.

769
00:39:46,300 –> 00:39:49,500
Let’s Get Retarded.
The original version my version.

770
00:39:51,300 –> 00:39:56,500
Yeah that song and it’s such a
different sound for nerve.

771
00:39:56,500 –> 00:39:59,500
I had that become a Nirvana song
like the falsetto is singing.

772
00:39:59,500 –> 00:40:03,100
Yeah, I couldn’t imagine that
with like electric guitars

773
00:40:03,100 –> 00:40:06,000
really.
Yeah, it feels like a very You

774
00:40:06,000 –> 00:40:08,100
know like Polly or something
like it would have to be.

775
00:40:08,100 –> 00:40:11,700
Yeah we did an episode of
heart-shaped pod about what

776
00:40:11,700 –> 00:40:14,900
Nirvana’s fourth album, would
have sounded like it was a

777
00:40:14,900 –> 00:40:18,000
version of that whereas you know
there’s a version of Delray me.

778
00:40:18,000 –> 00:40:22,200
There’s some band out there that
so their credit, they do really

779
00:40:22,200 –> 00:40:25,900
capture Nirvana, sound pretty
well and they’ve done like full

780
00:40:25,900 –> 00:40:28,900
band, Arrangements of a bunch of
those demos and just put Kurt’s

781
00:40:28,900 –> 00:40:30,700
vocals over.
Oh, that’s real cool.

782
00:40:30,700 –> 00:40:33,100
And the Delray me, one is pretty
interesting.

783
00:40:33,100 –> 00:40:35,200
I like to hear that maybe
afterwards, I was going to say

784
00:40:35,200 –> 00:40:37,300
also, you know, No, you’re right
is actually really great.

785
00:40:37,300 –> 00:40:37,900
Yeah.
Yeah.

786
00:40:37,900 –> 00:40:40,200
You know, your rights amazing
but that was around for a while

787
00:40:40,200 –> 00:40:41,700
that had been floating around
for a while.

788
00:40:41,700 –> 00:40:44,000
That was the one where Courtney
put that on the, on the greatest

789
00:40:44,000 –> 00:40:46,400
hits because she wanted people
to buy that and the box.

790
00:40:46,400 –> 00:40:48,400
And, you know, actually now that
I think about it, I think you

791
00:40:48,400 –> 00:40:51,100
know, your right is the one that
was recorded January of that

792
00:40:51,100 –> 00:40:52,300
year.
I thought you know you’re right

793
00:40:52,300 –> 00:40:54,800
was an outtake from In Utero
like they had it flown?

794
00:40:55,200 –> 00:40:56,400
No.
No because he did that in a

795
00:40:56,408 –> 00:40:58,700
garage with Pat smear.
I remember that.

796
00:40:59,000 –> 00:41:03,000
Yeah, you know you’re right was
it was an actual session for

797
00:41:03,000 –> 00:41:05,600
what would have been the next
Nirvana album.

798
00:41:05,900 –> 00:41:08,000
Yeah, I love that behind the nut
picking that.

799
00:41:08,000 –> 00:41:10,100
He does.
I’m looking it up right now so

800
00:41:10,100 –> 00:41:12,600
we can stop having this
conversation just because I’m

801
00:41:12,600 –> 00:41:16,400
very curious.
Your Vana one was Doremi

802
00:41:16,400 –> 00:41:22,300
recorded early 1994.
Oh so yeah that’s about that

803
00:41:22,300 –> 00:41:23,700
event.
The January song.

804
00:41:23,800 –> 00:41:26,400
Yeah.
Composition and release that

805
00:41:26,400 –> 00:41:28,700
written by Cobain before his
death in April of 1994.

806
00:41:28,700 –> 00:41:30,600
So it was in April.
Wow.

807
00:41:31,100 –> 00:41:33,100
Yeah, Courtney Love explaining.
It was the last thing.

808
00:41:33,100 –> 00:41:36,500
He wrote in her bed, the course
was do re and Mi and Durand me

809
00:41:36,500 –> 00:41:38,500
and then it was me and then my
IV.

810
00:41:39,100 –> 00:41:42,200
Okay, so I guess you changed the
lyrics from do re do re in my

811
00:41:42,200 –> 00:41:44,200
IV.
He has for him to freeze his

812
00:41:44,200 –> 00:41:47,500
sperm.
So that’s I’d ask him after rum

813
00:41:47,500 –> 00:41:49,100
to freeze his sperm.
That’s weird.

814
00:41:49,100 –> 00:41:51,500
Courtney, I guess so because you
want to because you wanted to

815
00:41:51,500 –> 00:41:53,100
kill him so you can make more
babies.

816
00:41:53,100 –> 00:41:56,000
I’m so he was riding a really
Melancholy song about what was

817
00:41:56,000 –> 00:41:57,400
in his IV around.
Yeah.

818
00:41:57,500 –> 00:42:00,600
Yeah.
So this holds this whole thing

819
00:42:00,600 –> 00:42:02,700
about freezing, your uterus to
date no version of the song has

820
00:42:02,700 –> 00:42:05,100
been Rewritten me and my IV
lyrics have been released.

821
00:42:05,700 –> 00:42:07,000
Yeah.
Oh my God.

822
00:42:07,000 –> 00:42:08,900
That’s it.
I did not know that.

823
00:42:08,900 –> 00:42:10,400
That’s weird.
This is so fucking.

824
00:42:10,400 –> 00:42:14,000
It’s when you take the ROM thing
into account him riding a sad

825
00:42:14,000 –> 00:42:17,200
song.
I’m talking about his IV is

826
00:42:17,200 –> 00:42:19,300
weird, that is a medley of
previously.

827
00:42:19,300 –> 00:42:21,900
Unreleased demo, versions over.
10 minutes, long appears on the

828
00:42:21,900 –> 00:42:24,700
deluxe edition of the Montage of
heck home recordings released in

829
00:42:24,700 –> 00:42:27,300
November 2015.
Oh man, I fucking want to hear

830
00:42:27,300 –> 00:42:29,100
the shit out of that.
Yeah, I’ve never heard any other

831
00:42:29,100 –> 00:42:31,100
versions of Doremi, I haven’t
even happened.

832
00:42:31,100 –> 00:42:33,800
Either god, dammit that guys.
Fucking I love ravana.

833
00:42:33,800 –> 00:42:35,500
So this podcast is over.
Yeah.

834
00:42:35,500 –> 00:42:39,600
Fucking right.
So let’s talk about some of the

835
00:42:39,600 –> 00:42:42,600
inconsistencies that came up
after because what we just went

836
00:42:42,600 –> 00:42:46,000
through, that’s kind of the the
That we ought overview.

837
00:42:46,000 –> 00:42:48,300
Yes, broad Strokes.
That’s the official version.

838
00:42:48,300 –> 00:42:51,400
Courtney Love, hired a private
investigator to try and find

839
00:42:51,400 –> 00:42:53,200
Kurt.
Cobain didn’t find him in time,

840
00:42:53,300 –> 00:42:56,300
he killed himself and because
who could think to just stake

841
00:42:56,300 –> 00:42:59,500
out the house until he right?
Also to she hired what would

842
00:42:59,500 –> 00:43:01,900
become her personal Nemesis,
right?

843
00:43:01,900 –> 00:43:03,200
Yeah, right.
Possibly.

844
00:43:03,200 –> 00:43:06,600
At the point when she already
knew her husband was dead from.

845
00:43:07,700 –> 00:43:13,400
Something she did right?
Yeah, so allegedly allegedly

846
00:43:13,400 –> 00:43:14,600
fixed it.
Yeah, she is.

847
00:43:14,600 –> 00:43:17,800
According according loves with a
Snidely, Whiplash of grunge.

848
00:43:20,200 –> 00:43:23,700
So a month after Cobain died
journalist, Duff Wilson, of

849
00:43:23,700 –> 00:43:27,300
course, is a journalist in
Seattle, named Wilson, published

850
00:43:27,300 –> 00:43:30,800
a story in the Seattle Times
about in consists in

851
00:43:30,800 –> 00:43:35,600
consistencies in the case for
one Tom Grant found and shared

852
00:43:35,600 –> 00:43:39,000
with the police that someone
Tried to use Kurt Cobain’s

853
00:43:39,000 –> 00:43:42,700
credit card after he would have
been dead.

854
00:43:43,900 –> 00:43:48,800
Well, that’s the mobile were
what its strengths so like

855
00:43:48,800 –> 00:43:51,500
fucking tomb, Raider’s got to
him first and then tried to get

856
00:43:51,500 –> 00:43:54,600
a six-pack on Kurt.
Well, here’s the here, what’s

857
00:43:54,600 –> 00:43:57,700
your explanation man?
I might here’s mine is a lot of

858
00:43:57,700 –> 00:44:02,000
bands, have a corporate card
that’s attached to the band so

859
00:44:02,000 –> 00:44:04,300
that when you’re on the road and
you go fuck, we’re out of string

860
00:44:04,300 –> 00:44:06,400
but I think this was his
personal.

861
00:44:06,400 –> 00:44:08,400
Well then could then Didn’t
Courtney killed?

862
00:44:10,100 –> 00:44:13,800
I mean Travis that’s some damn
fine, devils devils advocacy you

863
00:44:13,800 –> 00:44:15,000
doing there?
That is true.

864
00:44:15,000 –> 00:44:18,900
Yeah.
There’s also the suicide note,

865
00:44:18,900 –> 00:44:20,200
Connor.
Have you ever seen the suicide

866
00:44:20,200 –> 00:44:21,100
note?
Oh yeah, man.

867
00:44:21,600 –> 00:44:26,700
That thing.
It looks like about a 1500 word

868
00:44:26,700 –> 00:44:30,900
retirement letter, right.
With four lines of suicide.

869
00:44:30,900 –> 00:44:33,700
Note scrawled at the bottom in
completely different hand.

870
00:44:33,700 –> 00:44:38,600
Yeah, and girls handwriting, it
is one of the least convincing

871
00:44:38,600 –> 00:44:42,700
suicide notes I’ve ever seen.
Yeah, because he goes at into so

872
00:44:42,700 –> 00:44:46,300
much detail about why he needs
to quit music and why he needs

873
00:44:46,300 –> 00:44:47,700
to break up.
Band.

874
00:44:48,000 –> 00:44:49,700
And then just all of a sudden at
the bottom.

875
00:44:49,700 –> 00:44:53,300
It’s also, it’s also I’ll be at
the, at your altar.

876
00:44:53,300 –> 00:44:58,000
I’m going to fucking kill myself
by, yeah, and he’s plugging a

877
00:44:58,000 –> 00:45:03,600
show at the end.
Also had a Francis opening for

878
00:45:03,600 –> 00:45:08,600
me at the altar in North
Carolina, the new pirate themed

879
00:45:08,600 –> 00:45:13,000
Comedy Club, opening, doing the
poop deck room.

880
00:45:13,000 –> 00:45:14,000
Yeah.
It’s a good time.

881
00:45:14,400 –> 00:45:18,500
This isn’t this isn’t before the
Shoji Chuckles, you know, who

882
00:45:18,500 –> 00:45:21,200
are the best suicide note of all
time and I don’t, I’m not trying

883
00:45:21,200 –> 00:45:24,100
to romanticize Suicide do it,
but a hunter as Thompson, great

884
00:45:24,100 –> 00:45:26,700
suicide note.
I know that’s a classy 24 year

885
00:45:26,700 –> 00:45:29,700
old edgy white guy pick, but I
mean, it really is football

886
00:45:29,700 –> 00:45:31,400
season’s over.
It’s very good read.

887
00:45:31,500 –> 00:45:32,900
Yeah.
And you’re like, goddamn, this

888
00:45:32,900 –> 00:45:34,700
guy, really had it lucky,
really?

889
00:45:34,800 –> 00:45:36,700
It’s also an author.
You know, it’s kind of his thing

890
00:45:36,700 –> 00:45:39,000
was, like, putting yeah, in
together words, but it wasn’t.

891
00:45:39,000 –> 00:45:40,600
It wasn’t just like, I’m so
sorry.

892
00:45:40,600 –> 00:45:42,700
My wife’s name.
Goodbye, everybody.

893
00:45:42,700 –> 00:45:44,500
I love you.
It was a burning pit of my

894
00:45:44,500 –> 00:45:47,100
stomach left that in.
Yeah, no, that’s all Been

895
00:45:47,100 –> 00:45:52,200
debunked from the Crooked.
Hillary Clinton.

896
00:45:53,700 –> 00:45:57,000
Sorry Alex Jones back,
everybody, you’re goddamn right,

897
00:45:57,000 –> 00:46:03,800
I am shade-grown grunge.
So there’s also well, there’s

898
00:46:03,800 –> 00:46:08,300
the gun there.
This is well-known no legible

899
00:46:08,300 –> 00:46:12,100
fingerprints on the gun which he
did not bring a friend.

900
00:46:12,200 –> 00:46:16,700
Yes, that’s strange better to,
what is it better?

901
00:46:17,900 –> 00:46:20,000
Better than what is the thing
fucking thing.

902
00:46:20,000 –> 00:46:22,400
He says the Neil Young quote
better to burn out than fade

903
00:46:22,400 –> 00:46:24,000
away.
Yeah, but yeah, not leave a

904
00:46:24,400 –> 00:46:30,500
fingerprint in there.
But that is weird that there

905
00:46:30,500 –> 00:46:33,800
were and also on the shells.
There’s no fingerprints on the

906
00:46:33,800 –> 00:46:35,600
gun.
So he put on some gloves, you

907
00:46:35,600 –> 00:46:38,000
know, and hold.
It’s fucking cold up north.

908
00:46:38,000 –> 00:46:40,600
And yeah, come on after he shot
himself in the head.

909
00:46:40,600 –> 00:46:43,600
Yeah, well, you know, chicken
could walk around for a few

910
00:46:43,600 –> 00:46:45,900
minutes and who wants to die
with gloves on?

911
00:46:45,900 –> 00:46:48,300
I’m not a fucking.
If you cut the head off of a

912
00:46:48,300 –> 00:46:51,900
grunge rocker, he can walk
around for a while record, do re

913
00:46:51,900 –> 00:46:55,000
me, and take loves, yeah, people
don’t know that.

914
00:46:55,400 –> 00:46:57,900
That’s just several hours.
They can.

915
00:46:58,400 –> 00:47:01,600
Smoke cigarettes in plaid and go
charge thing.

916
00:47:02,000 –> 00:47:08,200
Yeah, there’s also the heroin in
his system which that is the

917
00:47:08,200 –> 00:47:11,000
question.
There is, could he have operated

918
00:47:11,000 –> 00:47:12,600
this shotgun with this much
heroin?

919
00:47:12,600 –> 00:47:17,200
And how much heroin was it?
Well, how much heroin was it?

920
00:47:17,200 –> 00:47:23,900
Yeah.
A shitload 70 times higher than

921
00:47:23,900 –> 00:47:27,100
the amount that would kill an
average person what?

922
00:47:27,200 –> 00:47:30,500
Whoo yeah.
If he’d been off heroin, the

923
00:47:30,500 –> 00:47:34,400
thing is think about.
If he’d been off heroin see his

924
00:47:34,400 –> 00:47:38,500
here’s we’re getting more into
the conspiracy part here, but

925
00:47:38,900 –> 00:47:42,500
one way you could conceivably
kill.

926
00:47:42,500 –> 00:47:46,400
Kurt Cobain in this situation.
If he had not been doing heroin

927
00:47:46,400 –> 00:47:50,500
up to this point and you show up
and somehow talked him into

928
00:47:50,500 –> 00:47:54,100
doing heroin again just it’s
just a small amount, you’ll be

929
00:47:54,100 –> 00:47:55,800
fine.
Yeah, if you get him, the good

930
00:47:55,800 –> 00:47:57,700
shit.
If that’s pure heroin, you’re

931
00:47:57,700 –> 00:47:59,300
going to kill him.
That’s out there as well as

932
00:47:59,300 –> 00:48:02,700
passed away, is he, you know, he
went to go do a normal size,

933
00:48:02,700 –> 00:48:05,200
yeah, normal size dose, and then
just just too much.

934
00:48:05,600 –> 00:48:08,900
Well, I’ll be okay in the world
where someone’s killing Kurt

935
00:48:08,900 –> 00:48:10,900
Cobain.
You could take them in the

936
00:48:10,900 –> 00:48:13,700
world.
The real world we live in, it’s

937
00:48:13,700 –> 00:48:16,100
the world, I know.
No.

938
00:48:16,200 –> 00:48:20,800
All right, I got the got ya.
You selectively sole reference,

939
00:48:20,800 –> 00:48:22,200
Grandma.
Take me home.

940
00:48:22,200 –> 00:48:25,600
All right guys, I’m just saying
we can take the plot device from

941
00:48:25,600 –> 00:48:30,100
an episode of The Wire and give
him a hot dose and he just You

942
00:48:30,100 –> 00:48:32,400
make it filled with poison and
not heroin, and he thinks he’s

943
00:48:32,400 –> 00:48:35,300
injecting heroin and he’s out,
sounds like you need a hot dose

944
00:48:35,300 –> 00:48:38,700
of shade-grown.
Yeah, no.

945
00:48:38,700 –> 00:48:40,500
I see what you’re saying?
Yeah, you could.

946
00:48:40,500 –> 00:48:45,300
But also his history was
recovering from heroin overlay,

947
00:48:45,300 –> 00:48:48,200
but if you’re like, oh, look,
he, he relapsed and he did too

948
00:48:48,200 –> 00:48:51,700
much, boom, you don’t have to do
the shotgun shit, right?

949
00:48:51,700 –> 00:48:56,300
But also by that same line of
thinking, how do you do the

950
00:48:56,300 –> 00:48:59,200
shotgun shit?
Like if Ooh him and you’ve

951
00:48:59,200 –> 00:49:02,900
injected this much heroin.
There’s also medical reports say

952
00:49:02,900 –> 00:49:07,000
there were pinpricks in both
arms as a team shot up twice.

953
00:49:07,000 –> 00:49:10,500
Like he gotten kind of confused
after he was high and then you

954
00:49:10,500 –> 00:49:13,000
know, or maybe the first
injection didn’t kill him.

955
00:49:13,300 –> 00:49:16,500
Like I like to imagine them just
repeatedly injecting Kurt with

956
00:49:16,500 –> 00:49:18,900
heroin and he just keeps waking
up like, what’s going on?

957
00:49:18,900 –> 00:49:20,600
What are you guys doing?
And they’re just like, fuck it

958
00:49:20,600 –> 00:49:22,800
showed him.
Yeah, I got I mean I could see.

959
00:49:22,800 –> 00:49:26,900
I mean if you’re going to commit
like a high-profile

960
00:49:26,900 –> 00:49:29,900
assassination, You know, think
about how stressed.

961
00:49:29,900 –> 00:49:33,200
I know I’m walking in there, you
know, I’m getting my 5,000 bucks

962
00:49:33,200 –> 00:49:35,900
in a brown paper bag.
I’m just like, I’ll fuck dude,

963
00:49:35,900 –> 00:49:37,900
he’s still moving.
Okay, we’ll put put some has an

964
00:49:37,900 –> 00:49:40,500
in as other arm, you know.
I’m like it’s I feel like you

965
00:49:40,500 –> 00:49:43,300
turn into like the burglars from
home alone, let her know.

966
00:49:43,300 –> 00:49:45,200
It’s like a tough.
They ate they probably is

967
00:49:45,200 –> 00:49:47,500
probably as their first rodeo.
You probably don’t get you don’t

968
00:49:47,500 –> 00:49:48,700
cry.
Don’t kill rockstars.

969
00:49:48,700 –> 00:49:51,000
It out if you’re getting El
Duque to do it, which is the

970
00:49:51,000 –> 00:49:52,300
story.
He’s probably nothing.

971
00:49:52,500 –> 00:49:54,200
But just oh, yeah, that is a
pretty fun.

972
00:49:54,500 –> 00:49:57,000
I get that, he’s not the most
credible witness but neither is

973
00:49:57,000 –> 00:50:00,600
Courtney Love but I like The
idea that Cobain was a fucking

974
00:50:00,700 –> 00:50:04,200
heroin endurance athlete, like
yeah, it’s just like, running a

975
00:50:04,200 –> 00:50:06,600
marathon of heroin.
Like, you couldn’t ODI me.

976
00:50:06,600 –> 00:50:09,700
Just was like to.
He had too much heart and then

977
00:50:09,700 –> 00:50:11,700
too much heroin heart.
What’s interesting?

978
00:50:11,700 –> 00:50:13,700
Is, it sound like you finally
wanted to live?

979
00:50:14,000 –> 00:50:15,200
You know?
Like, you figured out the

980
00:50:15,200 –> 00:50:16,600
stomach shed, he was.
Yeah.

981
00:50:17,400 –> 00:50:20,000
And what’s it?
There’s another documentary that

982
00:50:20,000 –> 00:50:23,100
claims to have debunked.
This idea that Kurt Cobain

983
00:50:23,100 –> 00:50:25,300
couldn’t have fired a shotgun
with that much heroin in her

984
00:50:25,300 –> 00:50:29,000
system and I was the darkest
episode of You’re sweet, like

985
00:50:29,000 –> 00:50:31,900
just got super high and try to
shoot each other.

986
00:50:31,900 –> 00:50:37,100
They show a guy standing on one
leg who they say had just taken

987
00:50:37,100 –> 00:50:39,600
this that same amount of hair on
why one leg?

988
00:50:39,800 –> 00:50:42,200
Well, just to show that.
Well, I just took this much and

989
00:50:42,200 –> 00:50:44,700
I can still just stand here on
one leg or she could fire a

990
00:50:44,700 –> 00:50:48,500
shotgun but that guy one did not
take care of when he took

991
00:50:48,500 –> 00:50:55,600
morphine and to took it orally,
which is so fucking right miles

992
00:50:55,600 –> 00:50:59,700
away from you your hair.
Irwin as I understand it, when

993
00:50:59,700 –> 00:51:02,500
you inject it, the whole things
in you right now, you’re good,

994
00:51:02,500 –> 00:51:03,600
right?
Yeah, that’s where you’re trying

995
00:51:03,600 –> 00:51:06,400
to get it as your when you take
that shit, orally it.

996
00:51:06,500 –> 00:51:08,200
You’re like that’s been like an
hour.

997
00:51:08,200 –> 00:51:12,900
I’m starting to feel really
fucked up and this in 1960.

998
00:51:12,900 –> 00:51:16,400
Okay, we gave this guy a caveman
coffee and this other guy, just

999
00:51:16,400 –> 00:51:19,300
listen to it.
A rollicking Chuck Berry song,

1000
00:51:19,300 –> 00:51:22,000
you know, it’s like they should
be exactly as amped up.

1001
00:51:22,000 –> 00:51:25,900
Equally, caveman coffee.
Do you want to be a workout dick

1002
00:51:25,900 –> 00:51:28,200
and have coffee?
Can coffee.

1003
00:51:29,500 –> 00:51:35,000
In 1997, Unsolved Mysteries took
Kurt Cobain’s, autopsy report.

1004
00:51:35,300 –> 00:51:37,800
Oh thank God.
We got Robert Stack on the case,

1005
00:51:38,100 –> 00:51:40,300
but this is pretty pretty
compelling to.

1006
00:51:40,300 –> 00:51:45,000
In search of with Leonard Nimoy,
they took it Ripley’s, Believe

1007
00:51:45,000 –> 00:51:48,500
It or Not with Jack Palance,
tries to find out.

1008
00:51:48,900 –> 00:51:51,600
They took it to a guy named
Cyril, wecht, who was the

1009
00:51:51,600 –> 00:51:54,700
president of the American
Academy of forensic and stupid

1010
00:51:54,700 –> 00:51:56,500
names.
Exactly.

1011
00:51:57,700 –> 00:52:00,100
That’s a tough one.
Cyril wecht.

1012
00:52:00,400 –> 00:52:03,800
This is my name is Cyril wecht.
I’m here to debunk.

1013
00:52:03,900 –> 00:52:07,200
The death of Kurt Cobain.
This is a quote from him.

1014
00:52:07,400 –> 00:52:09,200
For most people including
addicts.

1015
00:52:09,200 –> 00:52:12,300
This is a significant level and
for most of them, the great

1016
00:52:12,300 –> 00:52:15,500
percentage, it will be a level
that will induce a state of

1017
00:52:15,500 –> 00:52:19,500
unconsciousness quite quickly.
We’re talking about seconds, not

1018
00:52:19,500 –> 00:52:23,700
minutes, I just can’t tell you.
It would have been impossible

1019
00:52:24,100 –> 00:52:28,400
but it does raise a question as
to whether or not he shot that

1020
00:52:28,400 –> 00:52:29,000
shot.
Shotgun.

1021
00:52:29,600 –> 00:52:33,200
If it was a suicide, he probably
would have had to be holding the

1022
00:52:33,200 –> 00:52:36,600
gun in his hand.
While he was injecting himself

1023
00:52:36,600 –> 00:52:40,000
with the heroin and then shot
himself immediately after the

1024
00:52:40,000 –> 00:52:42,900
injection.
I cannot think of a case in

1025
00:52:42,900 –> 00:52:46,400
which someone injects himself
with a large amount of heroin,

1026
00:52:46,600 –> 00:52:50,100
and then proceeds to kill
himself, it just doesn’t make

1027
00:52:50,100 –> 00:52:52,000
sense.
And that’s a thing.

1028
00:52:52,000 –> 00:52:55,700
I’ve actually heard is that
among heroin addicts.

1029
00:52:55,900 –> 00:53:00,900
Suicide is not that Men, dude,
because Beyond here woman.

1030
00:53:00,900 –> 00:53:04,600
Yeah, yeah, heroin feels great.
I mean, there’s, there’s people

1031
00:53:04,600 –> 00:53:06,300
to be like well, here on saved
my life because I had something

1032
00:53:06,300 –> 00:53:09,000
to live for it for a while.
I liked being high, right?

1033
00:53:09,200 –> 00:53:12,400
And and it’s like if you if you
if you catch that first wave and

1034
00:53:12,400 –> 00:53:15,400
that you had the nod hits you
you’re like well I can kill

1035
00:53:15,400 –> 00:53:18,800
myself later.
What a great now I’m in Malibu

1036
00:53:18,800 –> 00:53:21,000
on the beach.
It’s just it’s a drug that

1037
00:53:21,000 –> 00:53:24,500
doesn’t lend itself to Suicide.
It’s not that core.

1038
00:53:24,500 –> 00:53:26,500
If it does, it’s your Layne
Staley suit.

1039
00:53:26,500 –> 00:53:28,500
Let’s death by hanging over like
a deck.

1040
00:53:28,800 –> 00:53:32,900
Right?
Yeah, and this is another quote,

1041
00:53:32,900 –> 00:53:35,500
from Denise.
Marshall, who is a deputy

1042
00:53:35,500 –> 00:53:38,100
coroner.
In Colorado, when I saw the

1043
00:53:38,100 –> 00:53:41,800
blood righto, Colorado was a
story die, but they sent like

1044
00:53:41,800 –> 00:53:43,500
people have been investigating
this for ever.

1045
00:53:43,500 –> 00:53:46,700
And sometimes you just reach out
to, hey, you know, blood

1046
00:53:46,700 –> 00:53:48,700
evidence.
Can you look at this and tell me

1047
00:53:48,800 –> 00:53:51,000
you’re in Colorado?
Most people just are alive.

1048
00:53:51,000 –> 00:53:54,200
They’re you want to look at this
dead guy, but I mean, she’s a

1049
00:53:54,207 –> 00:53:56,600
corner.
She Bay looks at dead bodies for

1050
00:53:56,600 –> 00:53:59,400
a living, and she’s seen Stuff
like pleasure.

1051
00:53:59,400 –> 00:54:02,700
Last name is Marshall like the
amps did like to use pretty cool

1052
00:54:02,700 –> 00:54:05,600
tie in.
This is a quote when I saw this

1053
00:54:05,600 –> 00:54:11,400
is a Gary Jag.
Sting when I saw the blood

1054
00:54:11,400 –> 00:54:14,600
morphine results of the
toxicology tests I ask myself,

1055
00:54:14,600 –> 00:54:16,700
how could he have pulled the
trigger?

1056
00:54:17,000 –> 00:54:20,100
It would have been virtually
impossible but that’s the thing

1057
00:54:20,100 –> 00:54:23,800
Kurt man he was always breaking
barriers he was always finding

1058
00:54:23,800 –> 00:54:26,300
new grounds to me.
Like he had himself a cup of

1059
00:54:26,300 –> 00:54:29,700
shade-grown arabica beans,
giving you The get up and go to

1060
00:54:29,700 –> 00:54:33,700
get up and go away forever and
your daughter to be raised by a

1061
00:54:33,700 –> 00:54:37,300
psychopath deprive, the world of
some of the greatest music that

1062
00:54:37,300 –> 00:54:41,800
never got three sing.
Oh my God.

1063
00:54:41,800 –> 00:54:44,900
That’s that’s how your family is
conspiracy.

1064
00:54:44,900 –> 00:54:47,700
There’s just promote his
products like well, I mean

1065
00:54:47,700 –> 00:54:50,500
George Washington, if he would
have had fluoride peppermint

1066
00:54:50,500 –> 00:54:53,000
Blends that I have in my
warehouse right now in Austin

1067
00:54:53,000 –> 00:54:54,600
Texas.
He’d be with us today.

1068
00:54:55,600 –> 00:54:57,000
Wouldn’t have those wooden
teeth.

1069
00:54:57,300 –> 00:55:02,900
Oh yeah, that’s the problem.
So one of my favorite pieces of

1070
00:55:03,000 –> 00:55:06,200
evidence in this whole thing and
it’s they break it down really

1071
00:55:06,200 –> 00:55:09,000
well in the soaked for Bleach
documentary.

1072
00:55:09,500 –> 00:55:13,300
The shotgun shell.
If you ever seen a shotgun,

1073
00:55:13,400 –> 00:55:16,800
those shells.
Eject One Direction every time

1074
00:55:17,600 –> 00:55:20,700
and that the boy band.
Yes.

1075
00:55:20,800 –> 00:55:21,900
Exactly.
Cool.

1076
00:55:22,400 –> 00:55:28,900
And Kurt Cobain’s, the shell was
found to the left of his body,

1077
00:55:29,300 –> 00:55:33,200
but the way he was holding the
gun, the show should have been

1078
00:55:33,200 –> 00:55:38,200
on the right and the way police
explain this, it’s actually kind

1079
00:55:38,200 –> 00:55:41,200
of absurd.
They claim when he pulled the

1080
00:55:41,200 –> 00:55:45,900
trigger, the gun flipped in his
hand and that’s why the shells

1081
00:55:45,900 –> 00:55:48,300
over here.
But the where the shell should

1082
00:55:48,300 –> 00:55:51,300
be, is pointing over here.
Could let bounced off of

1083
00:55:51,300 –> 00:55:53,400
something, it could of had a
weird but that’s the thing,

1084
00:55:54,100 –> 00:55:56,900
there’s nothing next to him.
If you look at the crime scene

1085
00:55:56,900 –> 00:55:59,400
photos, if it bounced off
something, it could have been

1086
00:55:59,500 –> 00:56:01,300
another person.
By the way, I dress someone

1087
00:56:01,300 –> 00:56:03,500
else’s arm.
I’d recommend not looking at the

1088
00:56:03,500 –> 00:56:05,400
crime-scene photos.
They’re terrifying.

1089
00:56:05,400 –> 00:56:06,900
There are some I don’t think
I’ve ever.

1090
00:56:06,900 –> 00:56:08,100
What?
Looked at all this time?

1091
00:56:08,100 –> 00:56:09,200
It’s not good.
Yeah, no.

1092
00:56:09,200 –> 00:56:11,600
It’s I have a very weak stomach
for that kind of stuff.

1093
00:56:11,600 –> 00:56:15,400
Yeah, I want to see it but the,
the shotgun shell evidence is

1094
00:56:15,400 –> 00:56:19,400
really fucking compelling
because there’s no reason that

1095
00:56:19,400 –> 00:56:23,400
she’ll should what it seems like
is that the person who killed

1096
00:56:23,400 –> 00:56:28,700
him shot him and forgot to turn
the gun upside-down Hoops when

1097
00:56:28,700 –> 00:56:31,700
they pulled the trigger and then
just didn’t know enough about

1098
00:56:31,700 –> 00:56:35,000
ballistics like they shot him.
Then put the gun in the right

1099
00:56:35,000 –> 00:56:37,500
position in his hands.
Only the guns facing the wrong

1100
00:56:37,500 –> 00:56:40,300
way in the the gun.
Has faced.

1101
00:56:40,300 –> 00:56:42,900
Yeah, the gun is basically
facing the opposite direction of

1102
00:56:42,900 –> 00:56:47,300
where the shell casing is and it
should not buddy.

1103
00:56:47,400 –> 00:56:48,900
All right.
If I’m gonna shoot my feel.

1104
00:56:48,900 –> 00:56:51,600
Like also if you if you shot
someone in the head like the

1105
00:56:51,600 –> 00:56:53,400
blood splatter, you wouldn’t you
be able to look at the floor and

1106
00:56:53,408 –> 00:56:57,300
see like oh there’s an area like
about the breadth of a man in

1107
00:56:57,300 –> 00:56:59,800
front of curd where there’s no
blood on the ground because it

1108
00:56:59,800 –> 00:57:02,700
clearly hit this person you know
yet but if you’re shooting him

1109
00:57:02,700 –> 00:57:06,500
from the front it’s it’s mostly
going to that but it’s it’s

1110
00:57:06,500 –> 00:57:08,400
going everywhere.
Yeah, you know.

1111
00:57:09,500 –> 00:57:13,600
Yeah, it’s it’s weird.
It’s the the Soaked in Bleach,

1112
00:57:13,600 –> 00:57:15,400
documentary.
Really covers.

1113
00:57:15,400 –> 00:57:18,700
It pretty well when they find
him is the trigger uppers the

1114
00:57:18,700 –> 00:57:22,200
trigger down.
I don’t I don’t remember exactly

1115
00:57:22,200 –> 00:57:25,700
like again you would have to
watch it but they I believe the

1116
00:57:25,700 –> 00:57:30,800
trigger is Dad is up, that’s
weird.

1117
00:57:30,900 –> 00:57:32,900
But I mean, I don’t know.
You’re also trying to like

1118
00:57:32,900 –> 00:57:35,100
dissect how a person would kill
themselves.

1119
00:57:35,100 –> 00:57:37,000
Like, well, I would do it with
the trigger down, so, I can.

1120
00:57:37,000 –> 00:57:40,400
Yeah.
But also its, this is the what’s

1121
00:57:40,400 –> 00:57:43,700
frustrating to me about the
Kurt, Cobain conspiracy is, it’s

1122
00:57:43,700 –> 00:57:47,000
the kind of thing where people
will take everything and go.

1123
00:57:47,000 –> 00:57:51,200
Oh, well, but this, but when you
take all of it together, look

1124
00:57:51,200 –> 00:57:54,100
how it’s kind of a lot.
Are you, are you a punk?

1125
00:57:54,100 –> 00:57:56,900
A lot for this tune.
Are you, are you just playing

1126
00:57:56,900 –> 00:57:58,200
Devil’s Advocate?
Are you like a corny?

1127
00:57:58,400 –> 00:58:01,300
Do a guy.
I don’t know if Courtney did it.

1128
00:58:02,100 –> 00:58:04,300
See I don’t know either, I’m not
sound just curious.

1129
00:58:04,300 –> 00:58:06,400
I’m just curious.
What the what the thing with the

1130
00:58:06,408 –> 00:58:11,500
shotgun was because because to
me the the old hat way to do it

1131
00:58:11,500 –> 00:58:14,400
is trigger down like that
trigger up then someone didn’t

1132
00:58:14,400 –> 00:58:15,700
know how to put the gun back.
Right.

1133
00:58:15,700 –> 00:58:19,900
Yeah vicious.
But the whole thing is best case

1134
00:58:19,900 –> 00:58:22,300
scenario.
A 27 year old killed himself

1135
00:58:22,300 –> 00:58:23,800
right?
Had everything to live for and a

1136
00:58:23,800 –> 00:58:25,600
daughter.
Yeah, so you kind of want to go

1137
00:58:25,600 –> 00:58:27,000
God.
I really want there to be a

1138
00:58:27,000 –> 00:58:29,200
fucking crime here.
Yeah, yeah.

1139
00:58:29,200 –> 00:58:32,800
But it’s still that shotgun shut
like I’m probably not explaining

1140
00:58:32,800 –> 00:58:35,600
it perfectly, you would have to
watch the documentary but they

1141
00:58:36,300 –> 00:58:39,700
it’s really fucking compelling
that shotgun shells.

1142
00:58:39,700 –> 00:58:42,400
Should not have been where it
was.

1143
00:58:42,600 –> 00:58:45,900
There is the explanation.
The police used is that the gun

1144
00:58:45,900 –> 00:58:48,500
flipped in his hand, when you
die this way your fists

1145
00:58:48,500 –> 00:58:50,800
clenched, like the gun would not
mall.

1146
00:58:50,800 –> 00:58:53,400
So, Veterans Day?
I don’t know.

1147
00:58:53,600 –> 00:58:57,000
I’ve, I don’t know.
And there’s also they explain

1148
00:58:57,000 –> 00:59:00,400
this in there for him.
Have fired the gun in the

1149
00:59:00,400 –> 00:59:02,000
position.
He was holding it.

1150
00:59:02,300 –> 00:59:04,800
He would have basically had to
break his wrist.

1151
00:59:05,500 –> 00:59:11,500
There was no way for him to hold
that gun and shoot himself that

1152
00:59:11,500 –> 00:59:13,300
way.
And they, again, they do a

1153
00:59:13,300 –> 00:59:16,000
really good job covering it in
that if nothing else watched

1154
00:59:16,000 –> 00:59:19,900
that part of the documentary,
because that’s that to me is the

1155
00:59:19,900 –> 00:59:24,000
most compelling.
Thing is, why did that shotgun

1156
00:59:24,000 –> 00:59:26,800
shell?
Move the way it did and the

1157
00:59:26,800 –> 00:59:30,600
official explanation Doesn’t
make sense from a medical

1158
00:59:30,600 –> 00:59:32,400
standpoint.
What do you talk about the

1159
00:59:32,400 –> 00:59:34,200
driver’s license?
Do you, did you get into any of

1160
00:59:34,200 –> 00:59:37,000
that stuff?
Yeah, well I since would set out

1161
00:59:37,000 –> 00:59:38,600
right?
Because that’s not really, what?

1162
00:59:38,600 –> 00:59:40,500
Hell, yeah, it was actually a
cop, the cop out of the

1163
00:59:40,500 –> 00:59:43,300
photograph, that story became
that he knew what he was going

1164
00:59:43,300 –> 00:59:45,100
to look like.
So he left that out to be

1165
00:59:45,100 –> 00:59:46,700
discovered.
So people would know it was

1166
00:59:46,700 –> 00:59:49,400
right when that snow?
I mean it happened in his son

1167
00:59:49,400 –> 00:59:51,600
house, like I think he’d might
be able to like all right.

1168
00:59:51,600 –> 00:59:54,200
Was wearing plaid arm from mud,
honey.

1169
01:00:00,300 –> 01:00:06,800
Good, polenta.
So let’s talk about Rosemary,

1170
01:00:06,800 –> 01:00:08,900
Carol.
That’s the the last thing we’ll

1171
01:00:08,900 –> 01:00:10,300
talk about before we get out of
here.

1172
01:00:10,300 –> 01:00:12,400
All right.
She was the Cobain’s

1173
01:00:12,500 –> 01:00:15,900
entertainment, lawyer and Kurt
often, described her as a

1174
01:00:15,900 –> 01:00:20,800
surrogate mother and among all
the people who think Kurt Cobain

1175
01:00:20,800 –> 01:00:23,900
was murdered.
She is the most adamant that

1176
01:00:23,900 –> 01:00:28,300
Kurt Cobain, ah, man was
murdered And again, Tom Grant

1177
01:00:28,300 –> 01:00:31,000
recorded every fucking
conversation he had with her.

1178
01:00:31,000 –> 01:00:34,800
She actually tried to file a
lawsuit to get him, not to

1179
01:00:34,800 –> 01:00:37,600
release the tapes at one point
because of all the crazy shit.

1180
01:00:37,600 –> 01:00:41,400
She said that she didn’t like
she wanted Courtney Love.

1181
01:00:41,800 –> 01:00:44,000
Arrested she just didn’t want to
lose her as a client.

1182
01:00:44,000 –> 01:00:45,500
I think.
Oh man.

1183
01:00:45,700 –> 01:00:52,900
That’s just sad Showbiz baby.
Yeah, and she among other things

1184
01:00:52,900 –> 01:00:56,600
for one says that after the
March 18 thing.

1185
01:00:56,900 –> 01:00:59,700
Kurt Cobain called her and asked
to have Courtney.

1186
01:00:59,700 –> 01:01:01,700
Love removed from the will, oh,
shit.

1187
01:01:02,000 –> 01:01:05,200
And but she’s not, she’s still
gets Nirvana money because he

1188
01:01:05,200 –> 01:01:07,300
died before I could.
Yeah, before, I mean, it

1189
01:01:07,300 –> 01:01:10,900
probably takes a little bit to
go change your will Evan, come

1190
01:01:10,900 –> 01:01:13,300
on, just put it on a Google doc
if I can change the name.

1191
01:01:13,300 –> 01:01:21,900
Yeah, still be alive.
Yeah, no.

1192
01:01:21,900 –> 01:01:24,500
The fucking, yeah, I mean that
does kind of add an element of

1193
01:01:24,500 –> 01:01:26,500
like, oh, clocks tickin.
Yeah.

1194
01:01:26,800 –> 01:01:31,100
And also he wanted to he wanted
to divorce Courtney Love, that’s

1195
01:01:31,100 –> 01:01:31,600
what.
Yeah.

1196
01:01:31,600 –> 01:01:35,200
Rosemary Carroll says, but
what’s really fucking crazy in?

1197
01:01:35,200 –> 01:01:38,900
This is also talked about a lot
in that documentary on April

1198
01:01:38,900 –> 01:01:42,700
6th, which is still shortly
before we find Kurt Cobain’s

1199
01:01:42,700 –> 01:01:47,000
body, Courtney, Love visited
Rosemary, Carol and accidentally

1200
01:01:47,000 –> 01:01:50,600
left behind a backpack Rosemary.
Carol went through that

1201
01:01:50,600 –> 01:01:55,700
backpack, and she found among a
bunch of other shit, two pieces

1202
01:01:55,700 –> 01:01:59,700
of paper.
One of them was a to-do list

1203
01:01:59,800 –> 01:02:02,300
that said get arrested.
What?

1204
01:02:02,900 –> 01:02:07,700
And the next day, April 7th,
Courtney Love was arrested after

1205
01:02:07,700 –> 01:02:12,100
a drug overdose so there’s that
and then the other sheet of

1206
01:02:12,100 –> 01:02:18,100
paper was handwriting practice.
It was literally her practicing

1207
01:02:18,100 –> 01:02:22,800
Kurt’s handwriting as if she was
going to forge a note at some

1208
01:02:22,800 –> 01:02:26,300
point in the future, this is a
handwriting practice Kurtz.

1209
01:02:26,300 –> 01:02:27,900
Yeah.
Oh weird.

1210
01:02:28,000 –> 01:02:30,100
They show it in that in that
documentary.

1211
01:02:30,100 –> 01:02:32,800
You see the the sheet of paper.
What is she writing?

1212
01:02:33,000 –> 01:02:34,800
I mean yeah.
You might just like letters.

1213
01:02:34,800 –> 01:02:38,200
Yeah, you might you might find
Kurt has written some kind of

1214
01:02:38,200 –> 01:02:40,800
journal entry and then be like,
you know, if I tacked on a few

1215
01:02:40,800 –> 01:02:44,000
sentences.
Well that’s that’s I think one

1216
01:02:44,000 –> 01:02:45,600
of the theories.
Yeah.

1217
01:02:45,600 –> 01:02:47,500
Is that my thought was?
I wonder if she’s trying to

1218
01:02:47,500 –> 01:02:50,200
forge some documents to like
fucking get all.

1219
01:02:50,200 –> 01:02:53,300
She’s going to go visit the
lawyer but you’d have to have a

1220
01:02:53,308 –> 01:02:55,800
notary public when you.
Yeah, you wouldn’t be able to do

1221
01:02:55,800 –> 01:02:57,400
that.
I mean I feel like And show at

1222
01:02:57,400 –> 01:02:58,800
this point, she’s murdered her
husband.

1223
01:02:58,800 –> 01:03:00,800
I’m sure she could Forge a
notary as well.

1224
01:03:00,800 –> 01:03:05,200
Yeah, but it could also be her
practicing to add those lines.

1225
01:03:05,200 –> 01:03:07,700
At the end of that, that seems
most likely suicide note.

1226
01:03:07,700 –> 01:03:10,900
That seems super likely and
rosemary.

1227
01:03:10,900 –> 01:03:15,300
Carol is set at one point that
everything in that letter is

1228
01:03:15,300 –> 01:03:20,300
just a past Pastiche of things
he’d written in his journal

1229
01:03:20,300 –> 01:03:23,700
before.
Here’s what’s weird and in the,

1230
01:03:23,700 –> 01:03:26,600
in the world that we live in,
where Courtney did all of these

1231
01:03:26,600 –> 01:03:31,800
things, Things allegedly, she’s
bad at covering it up, but we’ll

1232
01:03:31,800 –> 01:03:34,800
get to in the next episode when
she got away with it, you know.

1233
01:03:34,800 –> 01:03:35,900
Yeah.
She got away with it.

1234
01:03:35,900 –> 01:03:37,600
They’re not what the we’re not
talking about this on CNN, we’re

1235
01:03:37,607 –> 01:03:39,700
talking about this on the on top
of podcast now, right?

1236
01:03:39,700 –> 01:03:42,700
Which is a great platform but
it’s like, this is not The

1237
01:03:42,700 –> 01:03:45,800
Narrative of popular culture is
the Oliver Stone moment.

1238
01:03:45,800 –> 01:03:49,400
This is the JFK film that
reopened the investigation.

1239
01:03:49,400 –> 01:03:53,400
Yeah, which weirdly enough
Oliver Stone Idols up at some

1240
01:03:53,400 –> 01:03:57,500
point but then always does, hey,
I’m Alex Jones And they always

1241
01:03:57,500 –> 01:03:59,800
show up.
Do we have X other photographs

1242
01:03:59,800 –> 01:04:02,200
of the handwriting practice in
the other thing that a rosemary?

1243
01:04:02,200 –> 01:04:07,300
Carol is claiming to exist.
Let’s see.

1244
01:04:07,600 –> 01:04:09,600
Well it’s in that documentary,
okay?

1245
01:04:11,700 –> 01:04:16,000
Oh boy, Kearney love handwriting
practice murder.

1246
01:04:16,000 –> 01:04:21,400
Yeah, I would hate to son of a
bitch.

1247
01:04:21,400 –> 01:04:26,100
How about that?
God little am just a sheet of

1248
01:04:26,100 –> 01:04:29,800
her practicing shit goddamn
else’s hand.

1249
01:04:29,800 –> 01:04:31,200
Right?
Who needs to remind themselves

1250
01:04:31,200 –> 01:04:31,900
with your Courtney?
Love.

1251
01:04:31,900 –> 01:04:33,500
You have to remind yourself to
get arrested.

1252
01:04:33,500 –> 01:04:36,200
That is tattooed on your brain
at all times.

1253
01:04:36,600 –> 01:04:38,300
Yeah, Courtney Love.
Should have a note that says,

1254
01:04:38,300 –> 01:04:39,500
Don’t Ya?
Look at the red.

1255
01:04:39,500 –> 01:04:42,900
Look at the, let’s Look at the
suicide now, just real quick.

1256
01:04:42,900 –> 01:04:48,600
Oh yeah, just I mean it’s so
infuriating because you like God

1257
01:04:48,600 –> 01:04:51,300
damn it.
So do you think this is all fake

1258
01:04:51,300 –> 01:04:54,100
then?
The suicide note.

1259
01:04:54,100 –> 01:04:56,800
Yeah, it could be the whole
thing that it would.

1260
01:04:57,400 –> 01:05:00,700
It would be a lot to fill.
This is undergone handwriting

1261
01:05:00,700 –> 01:05:02,100
analysis.
That is dubious.

1262
01:05:02,100 –> 01:05:05,900
You know, it’s gone under
undergone handwriting analysis

1263
01:05:05,900 –> 01:05:08,300
it again in the soaked for
Bleach documentary.

1264
01:05:08,300 –> 01:05:11,800
They oh, I forgot.
It’s to Bata his imaginary

1265
01:05:11,800 –> 01:05:14,000
friend who had to go serve in
Vietnam.

1266
01:05:14,000 –> 01:05:17,500
Yep, that’s such a great story.
His parents he’s ever heard that

1267
01:05:17,500 –> 01:05:20,300
he had an imaginary friend as a
kid in, his parents told him

1268
01:05:20,300 –> 01:05:23,600
that imaginary friend, got
drafted into The Vietnam War.

1269
01:05:25,900 –> 01:05:27,600
That’s how you make a rock star
man.

1270
01:05:29,100 –> 01:05:32,500
So yeah, the like if you just
look at the suicide, no, oh my

1271
01:05:32,500 –> 01:05:34,000
god.
Post it somewhere.

1272
01:05:34,000 –> 01:05:36,800
But that the eye.
It looks so different if he

1273
01:05:36,800 –> 01:05:39,300
answers.
Yeah, that okay, if we’re, if

1274
01:05:39,300 –> 01:05:43,500
we’re going with the theory that
this is Courtney doing it, she

1275
01:05:43,500 –> 01:05:46,200
tells herself to keep going,
keep going, Courtney.

1276
01:05:46,500 –> 01:05:48,800
She also puts a little smiley
face after her name.

1277
01:05:48,800 –> 01:05:51,500
It was a cute touch.
Yeah, that’s a week week, I’m

1278
01:05:51,500 –> 01:05:55,400
doing this.
So there’s that.

1279
01:05:55,400 –> 01:05:57,800
There’s what Rosemary Carol
found.

1280
01:05:58,200 –> 01:06:03,000
There’s also Michael Cali DeWitt
who was their live-in nanny and

1281
01:06:03,000 –> 01:06:05,800
a purported, gun nut.
Interestingly enough.

1282
01:06:05,800 –> 01:06:10,200
He’s the guy in drag on the CD
label of the In Utero album.

1283
01:06:10,200 –> 01:06:12,800
No, no kid, which I think is
probably in liner notes and

1284
01:06:12,800 –> 01:06:16,800
shook it also in the other
versions but there are phone

1285
01:06:16,800 –> 01:06:19,500
records of her being in constant
contact.

1286
01:06:19,500 –> 01:06:22,800
With Michael De Witt, who was at
the Cobain house at the time.

1287
01:06:22,900 –> 01:06:26,600
I’m the entire time this
investigations happening and

1288
01:06:26,600 –> 01:06:29,800
then at one point, Tom Grant
finds a letter from Michael De

1289
01:06:29,800 –> 01:06:33,900
Witt, like, chastising Kurt for
having come to the house.

1290
01:06:33,900 –> 01:06:39,300
And not saying hi and what, Tom
Grant and rosemary.

1291
01:06:39,300 –> 01:06:43,400
Carol both took away from that
letter, was that it was him

1292
01:06:43,800 –> 01:06:47,000
covering up his involvement in
Kurt’s death.

1293
01:06:47,000 –> 01:06:50,100
Oh shit or just knowing, Kurt
was dead and wanting to like

1294
01:06:50,300 –> 01:06:52,700
wash his hands of it.
Yeah, they find this.

1295
01:06:52,800 –> 01:06:56,900
Letter on April, the night of
April 7th, Callie Michael,

1296
01:06:56,900 –> 01:07:01,000
Callie DeWitt.
Boarded a flight for La a few

1297
01:07:01,000 –> 01:07:03,100
hours before they found that
letter.

1298
01:07:03,400 –> 01:07:05,700
So he wrote this letter and got
the fuck out of town.

1299
01:07:06,400 –> 01:07:11,800
And then there’s L duche, man,
this, have you ever seen the

1300
01:07:11,800 –> 01:07:13,300
curtain?
Courtney documentary?

1301
01:07:13,600 –> 01:07:15,300
I don’t think I’ve seen that
one, specifically.

1302
01:07:15,300 –> 01:07:19,300
That was like a mid 90s, late
90s, one, and they have El Duque

1303
01:07:19,300 –> 01:07:21,300
on camera.
They’re like, tell us what

1304
01:07:21,300 –> 01:07:24,700
you’ve said earlier, he’s like,
Cody gave me 50,000 dollars to

1305
01:07:24,700 –> 01:07:26,800
kill it, is it?
But if I’m Browns it.

1306
01:07:26,800 –> 01:07:28,800
So yeah I’ve watched this shit
every class.

1307
01:07:28,800 –> 01:07:31,000
You got me on this.
What’s interesting?

1308
01:07:31,000 –> 01:07:35,300
There’s a more interesting
version of this on YouTube, but

1309
01:07:35,300 –> 01:07:38,100
the sound quality is so bad.
I didn’t want to play it on the

1310
01:07:38,100 –> 01:07:43,000
podcast, but it’s El duche
backstage at a mentor show, and

1311
01:07:43,000 –> 01:07:45,100
someone is like, tell us about
Kurt and Courtney.

1312
01:07:45,300 –> 01:07:50,000
And he tells this six minutes
story with so many more details.

1313
01:07:50,100 –> 01:07:52,700
Oh yeah, about 40, love offering
him money.

1314
01:07:53,400 –> 01:07:55,500
To kill Kurt.
Cobain is right there.

1315
01:07:55,500 –> 01:08:00,700
Actually, here he comes.
Now, Courtney Love era.

1316
01:08:00,900 –> 01:08:05,300
There were there is, this is
terrifying.

1317
01:08:05,400 –> 01:08:11,700
Oh, yes, okay, he’s the kind of
guy who does that.

1318
01:08:11,700 –> 01:08:13,100
We don’t meet him for the first
time.

1319
01:08:14,400 –> 01:08:15,900
That was what’s up the camera?
Right away.

1320
01:08:15,900 –> 01:08:18,700
Inverted, you just a perverted?
Yeah, Awards.

1321
01:08:18,700 –> 01:08:20,200
The grilling right now.
Is that a fly?

1322
01:08:20,200 –> 01:08:22,100
That’s a fly small eyes water.
He is grilling with that.

1323
01:08:25,399 –> 01:08:29,100
All right, so this is
interesting here you did some

1324
01:08:29,100 –> 01:08:33,300
deal with Kourtney, right?
Yeah, she offered me. 50 Grand,

1325
01:08:33,300 –> 01:08:34,500
a whack Kurt.
Cobain.

1326
01:08:34,600 –> 01:08:37,800
Yeah.
I was telling us she was 50

1327
01:08:37,800 –> 01:08:42,899
Grand whack.
Kurt Cobain And that’s that

1328
01:08:43,300 –> 01:08:46,800
that’s a fact that people might
think you’re not the most

1329
01:08:46,800 –> 01:08:49,800
reliable witness.
Well, that’s too bad.

1330
01:08:50,700 –> 01:08:53,500
You may not be the reliable
witness your own self.

1331
01:08:54,000 –> 01:08:55,600
Good point?
Yeah.

1332
01:08:56,000 –> 01:08:57,899
Now think about that one.
Okay.

1333
01:09:00,100 –> 01:09:05,500
You know when she offered me
money God dang.

1334
01:09:05,500 –> 01:09:07,700
I wish I would have taken it man
but I right there.

1335
01:09:07,700 –> 01:09:09,500
I believe him.
Yeah, I know that he’s willing

1336
01:09:09,500 –> 01:09:11,300
to go on record and say I wish I
took it.

1337
01:09:11,399 –> 01:09:13,300
Well you gonna Whack Him and she
tell you how to do it.

1338
01:09:13,300 –> 01:09:15,200
Yeah.
Blow his fucking head off she

1339
01:09:15,200 –> 01:09:16,899
ever.
You got to find him to do it.

1340
01:09:17,200 –> 01:09:20,600
Well up there and she gave, you
know, mapped it out.

1341
01:09:20,700 –> 01:09:23,399
I mean, you know, up there and
Bellevue wherever they live

1342
01:09:23,399 –> 01:09:24,700
right?
Outside Seattle.

1343
01:09:25,100 –> 01:09:26,399
I know right?
Where the house is.

1344
01:09:26,399 –> 01:09:29,200
I know right with Garden.
Pop him in.

1345
01:09:31,800 –> 01:09:35,700
I just didn’t think she was
serious but did she tell you how

1346
01:09:35,700 –> 01:09:38,500
she wanted you to just blow his
fucking head off?

1347
01:09:38,500 –> 01:09:42,000
I got the shotgun but she didn’t
send anybody to look like a

1348
01:09:42,000 –> 01:09:43,300
suicide.
Well yeah.

1349
01:09:43,300 –> 01:09:46,000
But if you just blew his brains
out like you said it wouldn’t

1350
01:09:46,000 –> 01:09:47,500
look like suicide look like you
Blues.

1351
01:09:47,500 –> 01:09:52,000
Brighter, right.
But I told Alan, I mean, my

1352
01:09:52,000 –> 01:09:55,100
friend who that Parts interact?
Yeah.

1353
01:09:57,500 –> 01:10:04,100
I’ll let the FBI catch him.
So and then like that night, he

1354
01:10:04,100 –> 01:10:09,900
was hit by a truck that night
according to like it’s not just

1355
01:10:09,900 –> 01:10:13,400
not according to we know for a
fact, L do Jay died by getting

1356
01:10:13,400 –> 01:10:17,000
hit by a train very shortly
after giving that interview like

1357
01:10:17,000 –> 01:10:21,000
the yes fucking day.
Yeah a train the family.

1358
01:10:21,000 –> 01:10:24,000
You here’s this, here’s the one
here’s the thing.

1359
01:10:24,000 –> 01:10:26,900
L duche looks like a guy who
gets hit by a train.

1360
01:10:26,900 –> 01:10:29,200
He looks like a guy who that
happens to an accident.

1361
01:10:31,000 –> 01:10:33,700
Get out, laughs, this train and
then Funk.

1362
01:10:34,500 –> 01:10:39,700
But the guy he mentioned Alan, a
lot of people believe, is this

1363
01:10:39,700 –> 01:10:42,600
guy, he was rich, you go check
him out on Twitter, his name’s

1364
01:10:42,600 –> 01:10:46,600
allen wrench, he is a former
Punk musician.

1365
01:10:46,600 –> 01:10:48,800
I know who Alan wrench is, do
you?

1366
01:10:48,800 –> 01:10:57,200
Yes, there’s even a picture on
a, there’s like a Facebook page

1367
01:10:57,200 –> 01:11:01,400
about the death of Kurt Cobain.
And there is a picture that

1368
01:11:01,400 –> 01:11:05,200
claims to be Kurt Cobain right
around the time.

1369
01:11:05,200 –> 01:11:09,300
He died with allen wrench.
Wearing the shirt that he

1370
01:11:09,300 –> 01:11:12,100
fucking died in and this was
taken at Seattle.

1371
01:11:12,100 –> 01:11:15,200
That’s the sure that he died in.
Yeah, Boris and Natasha shirt

1372
01:11:15,200 –> 01:11:18,900
and they do have the same job.
They have the guy’s face blacked

1373
01:11:18,900 –> 01:11:25,300
out, but allen wrench in a, the
book, Love and Death.

1374
01:11:25,300 –> 01:11:28,300
The murder of Kurt, Cobain
written by Ian Wallace and Max

1375
01:11:28,300 –> 01:11:31,100
Halperin, allen wrench.
Says this when they asked about

1376
01:11:31,100 –> 01:11:35,400
Cobain’s death whether it was a
murder or a suicide suicide all

1377
01:11:35,400 –> 01:11:38,400
the way because I don’t want to
incriminate myself.

1378
01:11:41,100 –> 01:11:43,300
This does feel like it could be
just like a like a washed up

1379
01:11:43,300 –> 01:11:46,700
punk rocker Katrina pulling the
relevance but yeah that’ll do to

1380
01:11:46,700 –> 01:11:49,100
interview.
I’m always like oh yeah she did

1381
01:11:49,200 –> 01:11:51,400
because it’s like I wish I would
have took he’s like he’s gonna

1382
01:11:51,400 –> 01:11:53,600
die anyway.
I live in San Bernardino.

1383
01:11:53,600 –> 01:11:55,000
Oh yeah.
He’s wearing a shirt.

1384
01:11:55,000 –> 01:11:56,600
This is San Bernardino on.
Yeah.

1385
01:11:56,700 –> 01:12:00,800
Official shirt of getting hit by
a train but if you For 50 Grand,

1386
01:12:00,800 –> 01:12:04,700
you can buy San Bernardino.
You could, yeah, the Detroit of

1387
01:12:04,700 –> 01:12:09,300
California.
Everyone should if you’re

1388
01:12:09,300 –> 01:12:13,100
interested in this more, go out
to YouTube and find the other L.

1389
01:12:13,100 –> 01:12:16,700
Duche interview about this.
It’s they’re backstage at a show

1390
01:12:16,700 –> 01:12:19,600
and there’s people talking.
So, playing it on the podcast

1391
01:12:19,600 –> 01:12:22,700
would have been right?
A nightmare but he goes into way

1392
01:12:22,700 –> 01:12:26,300
more detail about where he was
when Courtney Love approached

1393
01:12:26,300 –> 01:12:29,700
him and what the plan was
supposed to be, it’s like 6:00.

1394
01:12:29,900 –> 01:12:32,400
Minutes long.
It’s pretty fucking interesting

1395
01:12:32,400 –> 01:12:37,100
and L do jzl space d u CH E
right now.

1396
01:12:37,100 –> 01:12:46,500
It’s no h d– you see educ e.
Yeah sorry I add the H so that’s

1397
01:12:46,500 –> 01:12:50,000
because I’m fancy.
That’s that’s the Kurt, Cobain

1398
01:12:50,000 –> 01:12:52,700
conspiracy.
I’m Jesus crew on board with the

1399
01:12:52,708 –> 01:12:55,200
fact that he was probably
murdered.

1400
01:12:55,400 –> 01:12:59,100
Yeah I mean when you when you
look at it as a sum of its parts

1401
01:12:59,100 –> 01:13:03,000
it’s kind of like Okay, there is
a to one or two things man,

1402
01:13:03,300 –> 01:13:06,300
right?
12 things, you know, and we’ll

1403
01:13:06,300 –> 01:13:09,400
get into on the next episode
because the obvious question

1404
01:13:09,400 –> 01:13:12,600
from there as well, why haven’t,
the police ever investigated it

1405
01:13:12,600 –> 01:13:15,500
and like why, because as a
really sloppy, police

1406
01:13:15,500 –> 01:13:18,900
investigation is definitely an
aspect of the Kurt.

1407
01:13:18,900 –> 01:13:20,800
Cobain death.
Yeah.

1408
01:13:20,900 –> 01:13:25,700
And in the next episode, we’ll
get into maybe why there wasn’t

1409
01:13:25,700 –> 01:13:29,100
more of an investigation and
that’s when shit gets really

1410
01:13:29,100 –> 01:13:32,500
weird.
That It’s when it changes change

1411
01:13:32,600 –> 01:13:34,900
and you something we think
you’ll really like.

1412
01:13:36,500 –> 01:13:38,300
So yeah.
Next week we’re going to talk

1413
01:13:38,300 –> 01:13:42,600
about Courtney.
Love the CIA and MKUltra.

1414
01:13:42,800 –> 01:13:45,000
If you’ve been listening to this
podcast, you know all about

1415
01:13:45,000 –> 01:13:47,700
MKUltra and you know it’s real
MK Ultra Mega.

1416
01:13:47,700 –> 01:13:53,200
Okay.
That’s the so come back for

1417
01:13:53,200 –> 01:13:55,500
that.
Motherfucker’s what do we have

1418
01:13:55,500 –> 01:13:57,200
to plug before we get out of
here?

1419
01:13:57,200 –> 01:14:02,100
This is a patreon only.
Oh, thanks for subscribing baby.

1420
01:14:02,200 –> 01:14:04,300
Hey guys.
Yeah, was it was it was this bad

1421
01:14:04,300 –> 01:14:08,300
boy dropping?
This will be early April, I

1422
01:14:08,300 –> 01:14:12,400
believe, okay, I don’t want to
plug what other thing me and

1423
01:14:12,400 –> 01:14:16,000
Travis are doing yet just in
case just in case you can listen

1424
01:14:16,000 –> 01:14:19,000
to heart-shaped pod.
Yeah, which is also on pops and

1425
01:14:19,000 –> 01:14:23,600
we were talking a lot more about
Nirvana and a lot more about how

1426
01:14:23,600 –> 01:14:26,200
some of these people have had
very complicated lives and

1427
01:14:26,200 –> 01:14:29,700
complicated.
Intertwined did did – so calm

1428
01:14:29,900 –> 01:14:32,400
Complicated, in terms of other
things you can follow me on

1429
01:14:32,400 –> 01:14:34,700
social media at mr.
Travis Clark on Instagram and

1430
01:14:34,700 –> 01:14:42,200
Twitter and I will be at the on
pops, show on the 21st of April.

1431
01:14:42,200 –> 01:14:46,600
Tell ezel 21st.
Yeah, I’ll be a conspiracy that

1432
01:14:46,600 –> 01:14:50,600
I’m booked is the and yeah.
Come by fairly fun.

1433
01:14:52,100 –> 01:14:54,500
I mean, boys, all during the
month of April.

1434
01:14:54,500 –> 01:14:58,000
Going to Wisconsin, Chicago
Fort, Wayne Indiana, Pittsburgh,

1435
01:14:58,000 –> 01:15:01,600
Cleveland Philadelphia.
In New York City tickets for

1436
01:15:01,600 –> 01:15:04,600
those shows are all online.
It mean, boys, broadcast.com.

1437
01:15:04,600 –> 01:15:08,000
They’re all 10 bucks or cheaper.
We’re very funny.

1438
01:15:08,000 –> 01:15:10,100
It’ll be the kind of show.
You can go see and still fuck

1439
01:15:10,100 –> 01:15:12,400
afterwards.
So, don’t be intimidated by my

1440
01:15:12,600 –> 01:15:16,400
salty demeanor and if what if
they wanted to get some coffee

1441
01:15:16,400 –> 01:15:18,400
for that show.
Well, I’ll tell you where you

1442
01:15:18,400 –> 01:15:20,500
go.
You need to have a whole crew of

1443
01:15:20,500 –> 01:15:23,900
Sherpas escort.
You through The Ravines and just

1444
01:15:23,900 –> 01:15:27,100
swinging across the various rope
Bridges and going through the

1445
01:15:27,100 –> 01:15:30,700
haunted ruins until you finally
communicate with Of the Lost

1446
01:15:30,700 –> 01:15:33,900
tribe of the Jewish, people that
have relocated down to El

1447
01:15:33,900 –> 01:15:36,700
Salvador, to find those
shade-grown arabica.

1448
01:15:36,700 –> 01:15:42,000
Beans goal, is it the as got to
be somewhere, It’s the funniest

1449
01:15:42,000 –> 01:15:44,600
shit my plant in between
episodes here but yeah.

1450
01:15:45,200 –> 01:15:47,100
Oh I’ll so I’ll be on tour in
May with chat.

1451
01:15:47,100 –> 01:15:50,300
Wild come to that we starting
May 16th and Chicago we’re doing

1452
01:15:50,300 –> 01:15:51,700
a whole bunch of shit.
Oh yeah.

1453
01:15:51,700 –> 01:15:53,200
You’re Connor say goodbye.
Goodbye.

1454
01:15:53,200 –> 01:15:54,500
I’ll get you kago what?
For you?

1455
01:15:54,600 –> 01:15:56,600
Yeah.
Travis say goodbye.

1456
01:15:56,800 –> 01:15:58,800
I’ll dry up.
All those cities I’m Travis.

1457
01:15:59,800 –> 01:16:00,800
Hi everybody.
We love you.