Conspiracy! The Show The FBI vs. Tupac Shakur

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Welcome to conspiracy the show
with your host, Adam Todd Brown

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and Connor mcspadden.
Hey everybody, Welcome to

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conspiracy the show.
I’m Adam Todd Brown.

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Who are you?
Connor mcspadden.

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Connor McFadden’s, back back in
the house.

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The black van dropped him off
safely on the corner and now

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want to do it now.
Whenever I see a three of clubs,

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I start saying the n word so we
got to be careful.

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They’re trying to they’re trying
to d flat for me, but I did.

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Subliminally.
They’re trying to make me get

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you know, did on woke enough
that I won’t be able to tell

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people what what they did about
Cuba or whatever.

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Welcome back to the show.
What have you been doing since

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you’ve been gone?
I mean, I’ve been telling people

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anyway.
Well, I’ve started, I’ve started

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wearing joggers, which is
probably the biggest thing in my

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life.
As I’ve got about four pairs of

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joggers, from various Ross,
Dress, for Less has around the

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country.
Sure.

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And I got to say there Breezy,
you know, I don’t wear shorts, I

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have terrible Irish legs, right?
But I mean, you get the

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ventilation of shorts, but
there.

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They look cool.
They look slick, you know, it

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really pulls a lot.
Yeah pulled.

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No, they don’t snap off.
I will be buying Breakaway

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pants.
Probably at some point because I

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have a level of disposable
income that I’ve Googled jetpack

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prices and shit like I’m not,
I’m not.

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Do you like my I’m spiraling out
of control in life, but I do

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have a lot of cool jogger,
jogger pants and I wrote up for

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some TV shows and stuff and one
on the road.

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No, the all the usual a lot of
Indian casinos and you know, the

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racist jokes for right, you know
fucking you know famous people,

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huh?
That was what I’ve been doing.

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So that was David Bell, joining
us today as a guest.

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Hello, how are you, man?
I’m well, David Bell co-host the

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best bad movie ever podcast,
which that’s a plug that makes

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sense on this show because I
think this is one of the few

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shows where, maybe some people
just listen to this and don’t

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listen to anything else, but
they should they should listen

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to best bad movie ever sold for
the ultimate the hardcore

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mcspadden heads, you know.
It’s the I’m on the episode of

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best bad movie ever this.
It’s about the remake of

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National Lampoon’s Vacation
which is a National Treasure.

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Are you taking heat for that?
Because know, I’ve been get,

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it’s been kind of mixed the
patreon comments so far.

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Have my my back.
Oh, that’s good.

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Yeah, because there’s a good
movie, is why all I’ve seen on

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Twitter?
Is people not agreeing with you?

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Well, that’s because everyone on
Twitter.

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Is a fucking nuts.
Yeah, they’re all cops.

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Okay, that’s real and Jack
dorsey’s back pockets.

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Delegitimize the Crowdfunded
podcasting Network and not on my

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watch.
I’ll tell you, right.

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Yeah, we’re fighting back.
So, yeah, we are talking about a

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thing today that we’ve sort of
talked about on this show before

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in that, we have an episode
called who killed Tupac, where

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we run through all the various
theories about who actually

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pulled the trigger.
I haven’t listened to who it was

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a, it was Jr.
And yeah, and then Maggie, shut,

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because Maggie.
Yeah, I’ll come together.

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Yeah, well, there were a few
different conclusions there that

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came up in that episode and
that’s almost not what we’re

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talking about here, right?
I’m talking more today, we’re

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talking about the idea that
Tupac for pretty much the

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entirety of his career was the
target of an FBI harassment

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campaign that could very well
have ended in him being murdered

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heh.
At the behest of American

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intelligence agencies, that’s
all.

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Hmm, you’re going to hear about
it on the behest, coo ever

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podcast, I love the word behest.
Yeah, it’s a good word.

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Well, yeah, he was on the like
just in case kind of watch list

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which is something that you kind
of learn.

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It’s like you.
Do you hear let you hear about a

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lot of things really?
Well, socialism has never

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worked.
It’s like, yeah.

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It’s because we have, like, a
whole like, like floor of the

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FBI.
That’s like, all right, guys, go

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killed socialists.
Right did destabilize their

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countries from within you know
with fucking election rigging

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and shit.
That’s that’s why.

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So this guys getting popular,
he’s got some pretty good ideas

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about, you know, the being nice
to your mom and reading books.

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So it’s let’s get him shot in
the head.

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Yeah, look into Venezuela and
what role we’ve had in

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destabilizing Venezuela?
Oh yeah.

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Well, you need a wheelbarrow
full of cash to buy gum, you

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know, and that that’s us
basically declaring Financial

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war on Venezuela back in 2014.
But hey, we’re getting Off

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track.
So yeah, the the FBI they have a

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history of doing this kind of
thing.

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Yeah.
And my argument here is that

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what happened to Tupac for most
of his career was just an

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extension of the FBI’s efforts
to bring down the Black Panthers

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that.
I mean, that doesn’t sound

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unreasonable.
Yeah, I looking at, I mean,

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we’ll go through it.
But looking at it all, I’m been

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like in the middle on this
because I feel like the thing I

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can’t decide what’s like, I love
Rap music but I also love my

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female body inspector t-shirt
here.

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I don’t know how I choose
another thing.

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I can’t decide is whether or not
they’re doing it extremely

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intentionally or if it’s just
this I don’t know it.

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Yeah like that thing where
Congress is like doing meetings

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about rap music and stuff right
it’s like I can see some of them

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thinking that this is a
legitimate concern stupidly

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thinking that but thinking that
and then there’s others that

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have a little more like
Insidious thoughts about it like

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It’s I’m just I’m on the fence.
I’m on the flat.

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One of my, I should point out a
lot of what’s pretty much most

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of what’s in this episode comes
from what might as well be the

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Bible of this podcast, which is
the book drugs As Weapons

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against us by a man named John
potash when they’re trying to

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get on the podcast.
Oh yes.

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I mean, we, I mean, we have to
talk to this dude.

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He wrote.
This is possibly, my favorite

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Conspiracy Theory Book, it
produces my favorite conspiracy.

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RC Theory, which is that
Courtney Love was a CIA

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operative.
Whose role was to break up

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budding music scenes with drugs
and in fighting.

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Yeah.
When they started to get to

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leftist, which sounds crazy, but
it is a compelling fucking

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Theory.
Yeah, it’s great.

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And that’s a good one.
So a lot of that, a lot of what

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we’re going to talk about today
comes from that book and I would

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suggest I like if it sounds
interesting, read the book

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because I am just kind of
glossing over The information in

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there and also he links to all
of his sources so you can go

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check the source material at
yourself.

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Now, look, his, his, his domain
name has been suspended, for

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lack of payment, I’m assuming,
you know.

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So we’re trying, we’re trying
to, I think we got his ymail,

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we’re not sure, but where the
wheels are in motion.

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This is a good time to do this
episode 2 because this week

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marks the 22nd anniversary of
the death of Tupac and right,

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the 22nd anniversary is the
conspiracy anniversary.

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That’s where you get.
Yeah.

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Conspiracy theory was like a
shot in the seventh and died in

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the hospital and they like 13th,
right?

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I was seven days.
It’s like, yeah, it’s like a 911

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sandwich.
Where he’s the bread.

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Yeah.
Hell yeah, yeah.

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I don’t know why people think
it’s so weird that his death is

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unsolved.
He just so he got shot on the

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jam-packed, Vegas Strip after
Mike Tyson fight.

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Yeah, it wasn’t for the circus
circus, right?

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Weight was do those Roy.
They did a porn shoot recently.

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Which was a parody of Tupac be
shot in the face while I wish.

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No.
I mean, it was just another

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fucking roast because I have
exactly one goddamn trick but

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you know, it was I guess I
overdid it.

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Yeah.
So I think it’s just repeal,

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maybe there’s like more people
saw.

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Tupac Shakur.
Get shot in the fucking Moon

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land.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There were so many people around
and somehow this has never been

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solved.
And like I said, the main theme

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of This Book Is that the CIA one
sells drugs and to Uses music to

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sell drugs but also monitors
musicians in, when they start

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getting a little too leftist
with their politics CIA, the FBI

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someone is going to go in and
yeah that looks if you have

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drugs you become annoying and
easy to discredit right, you

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know, because they show you the
truth.

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Exactly, the here’s a, here’s a
question, how many far-right

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types have ever been
assassinated in this country or

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just right-leaning types at all?
Well, I’ll tell you what they

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need to make another Taxi.
Her soon, you know what I’m

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saying?
All right De Niro, just that it

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doesn’t have to be good.
I mean, you know, people are

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people flip out about inception
like let’s just, you know, let’s

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bring Travis back and we’ll see
if we can get another fucking

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fat ham sandwich, eating guy to,
you know, get a, get a gun off

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of Craigslist.
And yeah, that is the, the

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closest thing to a right-leaning
assassination was Reagan and

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that didn’t work.
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Well that’s like they’ll Bill
Hicks bit?

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Where he’s like Hannity shot,
you know, Kennedy shot King

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shot, X shot.
Reagan wounded.

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Fuck that did result in a great
punk band name, which is Jodie

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Foster’s Army.
Oh yeah, that is a good name.

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Yeah, but yeah, when it comes to
like, I don’t know, I is it

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still crazy to suggest that
maybe that rash of

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assassinations against
left-leaning political figures

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in the 60s, and 70s might have
been somewhat of a government

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operation.
We, I mean, the Joint Chiefs,

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It’s like didn’t fuck with
Kennedy at all.

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And they were just like, well,
they’re like, they’re like,

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pretty much to his fucking face
real.

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Like, you got a did, like play
ball with us, you know, and keep

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doing the show that we’ve been
doing.

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It was like No And they’re like,
oh okay.

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I mean there’s an easy way.
There is easy way and I mean it

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I do think someone like pulled
Obama side and was like, look,

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here’s the deal.
All right, you can be a lame

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Centrist.
That governs by executive order

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and gets a watered-down version
of your health care bill.

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And you can live to see your
daughter’s graduate from

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college, or you can try to shake
things up, see how it goes, your

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call, loading the government
buddy.

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Like, yeah, it’s got.
I feel like it proud.

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It has to be somewhat less this
about fear of socialism.

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Because the idea that like that,
I mean everything’s accusations

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of socialism and the, the idea
that the left would go further

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towards social.
I mean, of the, these people

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weren’t like they were like
there were left-leaning, I

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guess, but it’s like the people
that killed like, you know,

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excluding like King in Acts were
like, not even that fucking

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radical their main rival account
called Republicans, you know, in

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Europe.
But they’re like, yeah, it’s not

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not enough for us, you know.
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And it does kind of seem like
that, like it.

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It’s a means of keeping down
communist, or right socialist

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ideas and keeping them from
going mainstream, right?

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I’m going completely off of an
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cigarette smoking man, kills
Martin Luther.

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Because he supports socialism
that that sounds about right.

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Yeah.
And yeah, the Mark, we just did

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an episode of the, about the MLK
assassination with Madison

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Sheppard.
And that’s the only

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assassination from the Golden
Era of assassinations as I like

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to call it that I haven’t really
looked into as Malcolm X but I

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bet there’s some weirdness
behind, right?

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The assassination of Malcolm X
2.

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There’s definitely weird shit
behind MLK’s assassination.

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And the thing is There’s a
documentary.

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Everyone should watch.
It’s a PBS documentary about the

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Black Panthers, and where do I
have it in?

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It’s called the Black Panthers.
Vanguard of the Revolution, not

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to be confused with my Minecraft
server, the block Panthers.

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We got a I got a pretty fun, you
know, that just play by the

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rules and you’re welcome.
And the thing about if you watch

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that documentary, it makes it
really clear that the government

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played a big role.
All in bringing down the Black

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Panthers, right?
Like it was their main purpose

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in the late 70s or in the late
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Yeah.
Was to destroy the Black

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Panthers and they did a great
job of it, they sure did.

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Yeah.
It and they stayed as it one of

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them have like a barbecue sauce.
Now or something that wouldn’t

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surprise me.
None of the Black Panthers.

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Yeah.
But I don’t want to say

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definitely.
Yeah, neither do I ask you like

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I probably shouldn’t have
brought that up.

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With more information somebody
that was some kind of an

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activist cells barbecue sauce
now.

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And that I’m probably just it’s
probably the guy from the dead

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Canada.
I don’t put that on that deck of

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cards away.
Yeah, East Bay, Ray and class.

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Fluorides special punk rock hot
sauce.

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He is Supple Newman.
And he was like, why not me?

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Yeah, the be offers own.
It’s the, and I bring up the

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Black Panthers because Tupac is
so intrinsically.

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Tied to the Black Panthers.
His mother was a member of the

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Black Panther Party In Harlem.
Afeni Shakur he was born to her

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in 1971.
His father was a bronx base,

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black panther name, assata
Shakur and his stepfather,

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mutulu Shakur was, his middle
name is carne asada, he often

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took Tupac to activist meetings
as a child and when the FBI put

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mutulu Shakur on its most,
Wanted list, they actually

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visited two pockets school to
ask if he’d seen his stepfather

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anywhere.
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made, the youngest ever elected
National chairman of the new

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afrikan Panthers, a group that
by that point was active in

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eight cities around the country.
So, Tupac definitely has deep

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ties to an organization that has
historically been targeted for

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elimination by the FBI and the
fact that he became so Amos

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would make them even bigger
Target, right?

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Yeah.
Right in that.

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If anyone was going to Breathe
new life into that movement, it

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would have been Tupac, right?
For sure.

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It’s like manifestos who’s
reading them but fucking radio

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hits.
Yeah, it’s all I ever hear me.

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Yeah, yeah.
But what a fucking great song

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that is and there’s I left it
out of the notes, but there’s a

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lot of this book man.
The allegations it makes will

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ruin everything.
Everything you like about music?

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Yeah.
And there’s a bit in here about

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Tupac’s second album.
And about what happens with

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Interscope Records in between
his first and second album.

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That is really fucking
interesting.

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But anyway, let’s talk about.
Did anyone watch this prison

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interview?
A little of I watch some of the

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first clip.
I this is a thing I watched a

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few years ago and what really
struck me about It was filmed

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about a year before Tupac died.
Okay?

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It was filmed some time in 1995
while he was still in prison.

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So sorry, I didn’t even occur to
me.

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He’s in movies like he acts so
many using juice, right?

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Yeah, yeah.
Say juice or juice juice juice,

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okay?
Yeah, I haven’t seen any to fox

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movies but his last.
He’s in choose was like a cop

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Thriller thing.
I mean he fucks tries and a lot

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of people don’t know.
He’s in a whole bunch of movies.

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He’s in Poetic Justice.
This with Janet Jackson, he’s in

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Above the Rim with Woody
Harrelson, right?

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He’s in juice, which is like one
of his first movies.

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Yeah, he had a pretty, he had
almost as successful as an

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acting career and it did a music
career.

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Yeah, he really did, that never
occurred to me and it started

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pretty much right away.
Like, it didn’t like he was

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doing movies before he was
Tupac, right?

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Like, because there was a bit
Acted in high school and shit.

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He was trained in it.
Yeah he was like a theater kid.

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Yeah.
Basically who just happened to

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grow up around a bunch of black
panthers, which in theory, makes

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him probably more dangerous than
your average, Black Panther in

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the eyes of the government.
Yeah.

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He knows how to do you.
No fucking use finishing nails

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on Luan, to make.
Yeah, set.

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So this this interview one thing
that comes up in this book.

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A lot as being a thing that the
FBI and American intelligence is

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really wary of is Gang
conversion, which is the idea

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that okay, there’s a lot of
street gangs doing bad things

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right now.
But what if like overnight, they

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all turned into the Black
Panthers.

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Yeah.
What about it?

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What if they all had like a
unified being a purpose and

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yeah, right, because the
infrastructure is there.

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The organization is there?
Yeah.

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All they need is a reason and a
purpose.

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Yeah.
Right.

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And the right person to guide
them in that direction or the

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right incident.
And so this is, let’s listen to

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a couple quick Clips from this
Tupac prison interview because I

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remember watching this a few
years ago and being like and

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just thinking like this is what
the government kills people for,

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right?
And here we go.

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Where life, he had nothing to
lose, you know what I mean?

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So we start looking at it like
that.

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You’ll start seeing that the, it
just don’t way out to be in our

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favor.
So we need to start figuring out

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another way.
Now, if we do want a little Thug

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Life in the gangster life and
all of that, okay?

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So stop being cowards.
And let’s have a revolution but

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we don’t want to do that.
Do just want to live a

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character.
They want to be cartoons, but if

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they really wanted to do
something was that tough all

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Right.
Let’s start our own country.

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Let’s start a revolution.
Let’s get out of here.

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Let’s do something.
But they don’t want to do that.

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They want to paint our
communities and portray this

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image that they know.
We all can’t survive and make

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it.
And that’s what I saw even

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though, so that’s one clip.
And that’s, that’s a pretty

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radical statement coming from.
Let’s any time you throw, you

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talked about starting a new
country.

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It’s like, whoa.
Yeah, like that’s I mean, but

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that is one, if you look at the
concentration of hate groups in

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the United States, California’s
way up the list.

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I think we’re number one or
number two, in terms of most

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hate groups and the thing that
one of the things that puts us

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over the edge.
So to speak when it comes to

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other states is we have a really
high concentration of black,

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separatist groups and I think
it’s debatable as to whether a

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black separatist group, should
even be considered a fucking

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hate group.
Yeah.

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And but that’s kind of what
Tupac is proposing there and

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just the idea that hey, well,
let’s have a revolution then,

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Like we are, it’s like a really
kind of the the thrust of what

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he’s saying is like I, you know,
everyone, you know, likes this

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image of this lifestyle but it’s
like, let’s do something with it

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and, you know, we’re just kind
of turn it on.

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Yeah.
I’m just kind of have just a

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bunch of gangsters stickers on,
you know, for the for the sake

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of fun and Aesthetics but it’s
like yeah, let’s walk it in.

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Yeah, I don’t know.
Let’s fucking yeah.

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I like how casually casually is
about it.

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Well, yeah you got yeah.
You want to you want to you want

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to fight?
Someone was fucking.

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I’m just picturing a bunch of
like, dudes in suits that have

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like wheeled in.
A cart with like, a VCR T TV on

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it.
Like watching this just like, we

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gotta figure out.
All right, let’s get them

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tickets to the Tyson fight.
Barry, can you get your guys on

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this?
On a chief.

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All right.
Damn.

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All smarter.
All right, knowing what you know

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another clip What do you think
about Youth and gang violence in

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America, especially in the black
communities, and Hispanic

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communities, Youth and gang
violence?

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I think I’m gonna get a lot of
flack for it.

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I think gangs can be positive.
It just has to be organized and

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has to stay away from being
self-destructive to being self

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productive.
I think this country was built

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on gangs, you know, I think this
country still is run on gangs

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Republicans.
Democrats the police department,

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the FBI, the CIA, those are
gangs.

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You know what I mean?
The correctional officers and I

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had a correctional officer.
Tell me straight up.

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We the biggest gang in New York
state straight up.

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You know, I buy that no bears
she really got.

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So that’s another clip of him
saying, hey, let’s maybe gang

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should just be a good thing.
Yeah, he’s right.

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That the idea that our country
was founded on gangs more or

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less what in rights of a group
of people getting together and

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being like you know back in
Thomas Paine’s day pamphlet.

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Like mixtapes and there’s
something called Common Sense.

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Got the streets buzzin and next
thing you knew.

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Yeah, we’re reading hardtack and
starving and Valley Forge but it

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is like if you watch the PBS
documentary about the Black

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Panthers, it seems like the
thing that really set the

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government off was when they
started giving kids free

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breakfast.
Oh, you can’t do that like for

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some reason.
At that point.

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The government was like, no, oh
no.

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Those kids will feel good about
themselves.

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Do well at school, I have enough
calories to learn.

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We’ve been over this and that’s
kind of the thing.

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I mean, the knocks proposing
here, the foundation that

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capitalism is the idea that kids
have to like, pay for their

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lunch right early.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And the thing about this ties

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into we’ve never done an episode
on it because there’s just not a

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ton of other evidence or details
about it, but a few years ago,

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There was this internet post
from someone who claimed that he

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was present at a meeting in the
late 80s.

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Early 90s somewhere around
there.

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Where all the heads of all the
record labels were brought to

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this location and someone came
in and was like, okay so here’s

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what you’re going to be pushing
and promoting for the next few

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years gangster rap and you’re
going to be pushing and

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promoting that because we have
private prisons to fill and we

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have drugs to sell Sheehan.
Gangster rap will do that and

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now all of your favorite
pioneers of gangster rap, have

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jobs on NBC or in Hollywood?
I mean you’re quitting an

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internet post, right?
Yeah.

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That’s the thing.
And there’s no other details in

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for me, but it’s just one of
those things that sounds right,

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right?
I think this is when it gets

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like, because we see this on
both sides like like like I mean

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right now, Trump supporters are
using random internet posts in

432
00:22:46,900 –> 00:22:49,300
the idea that the government is
just secretly against him to

433
00:22:49,300 –> 00:22:54,100
justify bad things.
Like, I feel like it’s, I can’t

434
00:22:54,100 –> 00:22:57,800
quite I know what you’re saying.
No, no, yeah, yeah, I can’t

435
00:22:57,800 –> 00:23:00,400
quite cross that line.
It’s because, yes.

436
00:23:00,400 –> 00:23:02,000
Well, I think I learned
everything.

437
00:23:02,000 –> 00:23:04,600
I needed to know in the hit box.
Office movie Straight Outta

438
00:23:04,600 –> 00:23:07,200
Compton.
That’s true.

439
00:23:07,200 –> 00:23:09,200
I think I pretty my mean, I
don’t know about all that

440
00:23:09,300 –> 00:23:10,200
Cameron.
I don’t know.

441
00:23:10,200 –> 00:23:11,900
I mean, certainly fucking
possible, I guess.

442
00:23:11,900 –> 00:23:14,600
Yeah.
It’s, it’s one of the, it’s just

443
00:23:14,600 –> 00:23:18,100
such a compelling idea that I
wish someone would find some

444
00:23:18,100 –> 00:23:19,800
government documents that prove
it.

445
00:23:19,900 –> 00:23:21,800
That would be that.
That’s Right?

446
00:23:21,800 –> 00:23:25,400
I sort of feel that way about
we’ve I believe the idea that

447
00:23:25,400 –> 00:23:29,500
record Executives like might
have pushed that um, but not

448
00:23:29,500 –> 00:23:32,600
because of Any necessarily
meeting just because of like,

449
00:23:32,900 –> 00:23:36,200
right the inherent racism, in
this in the sense like that’s

450
00:23:36,200 –> 00:23:37,300
why.
I mean, all the things you’re

451
00:23:37,300 –> 00:23:39,200
saying is true.
I just don’t know if I believe

452
00:23:39,200 –> 00:23:42,300
there’s like set meetings where
they sat and said, okay we’re

453
00:23:42,300 –> 00:23:44,800
going to do this this and this
right is like the Congress

454
00:23:44,800 –> 00:23:47,500
having the meetings about rap.
Like I believe that was they

455
00:23:47,500 –> 00:23:49,600
were doing that and then the
Joker walks in.

456
00:23:49,600 –> 00:23:52,500
He’s yeah, guys.
Want to You know how I got this

457
00:23:52,500 –> 00:23:59,700
hard, I’m a gangster.
So listen to Em, sea-ice music

458
00:23:59,700 –> 00:24:04,700
to drive by and see 88.
I’ve only seen it, I’ve only

459
00:24:04,700 –> 00:24:10,400
seen it written.
So another connection Tupac had

460
00:24:10,400 –> 00:24:14,800
between himself and the Black
Panthers Geronimo Pratt.

461
00:24:14,900 –> 00:24:17,100
He was a Black Panther leader at
one point.

462
00:24:17,100 –> 00:24:22,100
Father of the father of Spencer
and Heidi at one point.

463
00:24:22,100 –> 00:24:26,400
Someone definitely not the
police acting on the The FBI’s

464
00:24:26,400 –> 00:24:29,700
behalf tried to kill him while
he slept in his bed like a

465
00:24:29,700 –> 00:24:32,600
sniper just shot at him.
That’s pretty suspicious while

466
00:24:32,600 –> 00:24:37,300
he was in bed, what and they
didn’t shot in bed, like edit,

467
00:24:37,300 –> 00:24:41,000
like I do like one, like the the
corrupt, like, fucking dudes.

468
00:24:41,000 –> 00:24:44,500
Just get lazy and they’re just
like, I don’t know what if we

469
00:24:44,600 –> 00:24:46,900
like, what if we send him a
thing in the mail where he won a

470
00:24:46,908 –> 00:24:50,000
safari and we just like had
built a mess up an elephant and

471
00:24:50,000 –> 00:24:52,300
have them just like, you know
where it’s just like not even,

472
00:24:52,500 –> 00:24:55,200
they don’t even try to like he’s
coming out of a nightclub his

473
00:24:55,200 –> 00:24:58,800
rival gang Just like it just
fucking noobs the drive-by from

474
00:24:58,800 –> 00:25:01,900
a high-powered rifle that you
can’t get outside of the

475
00:25:01,900 –> 00:25:03,600
government.
Must have been added fucking

476
00:25:03,600 –> 00:25:05,900
gang.
I mean, the meth elephant,

477
00:25:05,900 –> 00:25:07,900
elephant thing.
You just pitched His Brilliant.

478
00:25:07,900 –> 00:25:09,100
The hell is that?
They call it?

479
00:25:09,100 –> 00:25:11,900
Yeah, it was something that
Hannibal employed on his on his

480
00:25:11,900 –> 00:25:15,200
march to Rome her something.
I gotta say he did.

481
00:25:15,300 –> 00:25:19,500
It’s a sniper shot at a sleeping
man and it misses it might not

482
00:25:19,500 –> 00:25:21,200
be a professional at that.
Yeah.

483
00:25:21,300 –> 00:25:27,000
That I mean I can still see them
like hey, Um, some guy a sniper

484
00:25:27,000 –> 00:25:31,100
rifle being like you do this,
you get to like, keep the yeah,

485
00:25:31,100 –> 00:25:32,900
yeah.
Let’s do you get, we have a

486
00:25:32,900 –> 00:25:36,100
paper bag full of loose cash.
Yeah, it looks good.

487
00:25:36,100 –> 00:25:40,200
You know, and they missed.
They didn’t hit him.

488
00:25:40,600 –> 00:25:45,200
But a few years later he was
framed for Murder by the FBI in

489
00:25:45,200 –> 00:25:49,400
the late 60s, that’s his claim.
And that’s a very bold claim, I

490
00:25:49,400 –> 00:25:52,500
know, but here’s the thing, his
conviction was overturned in

491
00:25:52,500 –> 00:25:56,800
1997 because the prosecution
failed to Close that the witness

492
00:25:56,800 –> 00:26:01,700
whose testimony sent him to
prison was also an FBI informant

493
00:26:02,000 –> 00:26:03,900
right.
Wow, that’s awesome.

494
00:26:04,100 –> 00:26:10,900
And like, well, let’s just stack
this and is it’s not illegal for

495
00:26:10,900 –> 00:26:13,500
to have been an FBI and for like
it’s not bad.

496
00:26:13,500 –> 00:26:17,100
They just didn’t disclose if
they didn’t disclose it but I

497
00:26:17,100 –> 00:26:18,500
didn’t think it was relevant.
Yeah.

498
00:26:18,500 –> 00:26:19,900
And that’s the thing.
Yeah.

499
00:26:19,900 –> 00:26:22,900
Thanking us that fact.
That the, why wouldn’t you yeah,

500
00:26:22,900 –> 00:26:24,800
why would you hide that?
Yeah.

501
00:26:25,000 –> 00:26:28,800
And The thing is Tupac actually
worked on Geronimo Pratt’s

502
00:26:28,800 –> 00:26:33,500
defense team in the late 80s
including wrapping at benefits

503
00:26:34,000 –> 00:26:39,400
yours formal nose ring at the
courtroom and Black Panther

504
00:26:39,400 –> 00:26:41,400
leader.
Huey Newton also started working

505
00:26:41,400 –> 00:26:44,900
on Pratt’s defense team in
Night, 1988 Huey Newton was

506
00:26:44,900 –> 00:26:48,300
murdered maybe assassinated in
1989.

507
00:26:48,400 –> 00:26:50,800
Well they wanted his cookie
recipe and he wouldn’t give it

508
00:26:50,800 –> 00:26:53,400
over.
He knew how to turn the Fig into

509
00:26:53,400 –> 00:26:57,000
a delicious healthy treat.
And that’s on the goddamn Fig

510
00:26:57,000 –> 00:26:58,300
Newton.
I don’t want him to see.

511
00:26:58,500 –> 00:27:01,300
It’s a pretty good little.
It’s like an old person.

512
00:27:01,400 –> 00:27:02,500
Yeah.
Snare like what.

513
00:27:02,500 –> 00:27:04,600
It’s like good.
Yeah, exactly.

514
00:27:04,600 –> 00:27:06,600
Size of the future.
They have a neat texture to

515
00:27:06,600 –> 00:27:07,900
them.
Yeah, you know, dipping to us,

516
00:27:07,900 –> 00:27:10,000
has been the ice cream of the
future for like, what 20 years.

517
00:27:10,000 –> 00:27:12,300
And it’s the ice cream of now
got ya?

518
00:27:12,300 –> 00:27:14,700
And it’s not that good time.
I had it for the first time

519
00:27:14,700 –> 00:27:16,700
recently, and I’ve found it to
be so fucking over it because

520
00:27:16,700 –> 00:27:19,600
it’s been hyped up to me and I’m
like this is just like ice cream

521
00:27:19,600 –> 00:27:22,300
that hurts my teeth more.
It’s just clumpy ice cream.

522
00:27:22,400 –> 00:27:24,000
Yeah.
It’s like I want to I want to

523
00:27:24,000 –> 00:27:26,800
lick and say, you know, I want
Of the Melton, you know, do

524
00:27:26,800 –> 00:27:29,800
change properties as I enjoy it.
Like, that’s part of the fun,

525
00:27:29,800 –> 00:27:33,100
you know, it’s just it’s ice
cream with one form.

526
00:27:33,100 –> 00:27:35,300
You just made boring ice cream
suck.

527
00:27:35,300 –> 00:27:36,700
My dick.
Dippin Dots.

528
00:27:37,100 –> 00:27:39,100
I don’t know how they get it
into the tiny little balls

529
00:27:39,100 –> 00:27:41,800
though.
That is impressive like ice cube

530
00:27:41,800 –> 00:27:43,700
trays.
Like little molds with a beef

531
00:27:43,800 –> 00:27:46,500
with because it’s so many of
them that’s got to be some kind

532
00:27:46,500 –> 00:27:49,300
of chemical thing that does it.
Well, yeah, I mean it’s got to

533
00:27:49,308 –> 00:27:52,200
be like a silicone, bead the
turn makes like a pearl of ice

534
00:27:52,200 –> 00:27:53,500
cream.
Yeah, or something.

535
00:27:53,900 –> 00:27:56,200
Yeah, the ice cream clams.
Telling you that they’re it’s

536
00:27:56,200 –> 00:27:59,200
slaving to make different dots
Justice for the ice cream

537
00:27:59,200 –> 00:28:02,000
nanotechnology.
Yeah, a bunch of little drones

538
00:28:02,000 –> 00:28:04,000
just drop them on the table.
Oh yeah.

539
00:28:04,300 –> 00:28:06,700
So the there’s they have like
tiny people.

540
00:28:06,700 –> 00:28:09,300
They’ve shrunk it down there
have melon balls and just scoop

541
00:28:09,300 –> 00:28:11,700
them out, you know.
Well, their fingers bleed.

542
00:28:12,300 –> 00:28:15,900
So this is an interesting
detail, the framing of Geronimo

543
00:28:15,900 –> 00:28:19,900
Pratt and the murder attempt
that preceded, it, we’re both

544
00:28:19,900 –> 00:28:24,300
allegedly done at the direction
of a man named Richard held who

545
00:28:24,300 –> 00:28:26,500
moved to San Fran.
Let’s go to become head of the

546
00:28:26,500 –> 00:28:29,800
FBI’s field office.
Not long before Tupac and his

547
00:28:29,800 –> 00:28:31,700
family.
Also moved there.

548
00:28:32,400 –> 00:28:35,800
And, again, that sounds like
crazy talk, like what kind of

549
00:28:35,800 –> 00:28:39,600
proof would we have that Richard
held, San Francisco, field

550
00:28:39,600 –> 00:28:46,400
office agent actually did this
and the the thing is, there was

551
00:28:46,400 –> 00:28:50,000
a lawsuit filed by Earth.
First activist Judy, Barry.

552
00:28:50,200 –> 00:28:53,600
Because the year after the death
of Huey Newton, she was injured

553
00:28:53,600 –> 00:28:56,700
in a car bombing that paralyzed
Is her from the waist down.

554
00:28:57,000 –> 00:28:59,400
She was asked at a press
conference what she thought

555
00:28:59,400 –> 00:29:02,900
about the FBI’s search for the
bomber and this was her reply.

556
00:29:03,200 –> 00:29:06,400
I hope the FBI find their man
and when they do I hope they

557
00:29:06,400 –> 00:29:09,800
fire him.
That’s a pretty great burned am

558
00:29:09,900 –> 00:29:13,600
and she filed a lawsuit that
implicated Richard held in this

559
00:29:13,600 –> 00:29:17,800
bombing and this they event.
She eventually won the lawsuit

560
00:29:17,800 –> 00:29:20,900
after she died.
Unfortunately, but her partner

561
00:29:20,900 –> 00:29:26,100
Darryl cherni was eventually
awarded 4.4 million Dollars as a

562
00:29:26,108 –> 00:29:31,000
result of that lawsuit and it’s
suspected that this lawsuit led

563
00:29:31,000 –> 00:29:34,100
to Richard Helms early
retirement in 1993.

564
00:29:34,200 –> 00:29:36,200
Okay, hold on.
Now we can’t be sure whether he

565
00:29:36,200 –> 00:29:37,500
might have.
He might have just wanted to

566
00:29:37,500 –> 00:29:39,100
spend more time with his family.
Of course.

567
00:29:39,100 –> 00:29:40,800
Exactly.
You know, he started playing

568
00:29:40,800 –> 00:29:42,000
guitar.
He wanted to see where his

569
00:29:42,000 –> 00:29:43,100
career would take.
Yeah.

570
00:29:43,100 –> 00:29:48,400
So she was paralyzed and sued.
She sued the FBI.

571
00:29:48,700 –> 00:29:52,000
She is he a she filed?
And, and lost me.

572
00:29:52,000 –> 00:29:55,600
I was just after he died there,
like you goddess and They like,

573
00:29:55,600 –> 00:29:59,300
how did like, what happened?
What was the the official Court

574
00:29:59,300 –> 00:30:01,400
ruling on this?
Well, they’re just like, yeah,

575
00:30:01,400 –> 00:30:04,000
the FBI did it.
Well, yeah, I mean, like you’ve

576
00:30:04,000 –> 00:30:06,600
backed into the corner, will
allow the dust justice system to

577
00:30:06,600 –> 00:30:09,100
work after.
There’s no longer a human face

578
00:30:09,100 –> 00:30:11,900
to connect the story and it’ll
be forgotten except for it on,

579
00:30:11,900 –> 00:30:14,300
you know, a podcast about the
government.

580
00:30:14,400 –> 00:30:16,400
Yeah, because this was like, the
late 80s, right?

581
00:30:16,800 –> 00:30:19,500
I mean I’m I’m sure it doesn’t
mean just imagine a lady and

582
00:30:19,500 –> 00:30:21,600
she’s just like yours.
I got five million dollars

583
00:30:21,600 –> 00:30:24,100
because the FBI blew up my
spinal cord, you know?

584
00:30:24,100 –> 00:30:26,200
Like I’m like that’s like a bad.
Headline, but I visit her

585
00:30:26,200 –> 00:30:27,800
husband, you know, just holding
a check.

586
00:30:27,800 –> 00:30:29,400
It’s like, who cares?
You know, I want to see the

587
00:30:29,400 –> 00:30:32,800
lady, you know, that’s how the
fucking media Cycle Works and

588
00:30:33,300 –> 00:30:36,000
passion for the husband to like
after she died.

589
00:30:36,000 –> 00:30:38,400
And I just like, here’s some
money, I just picture.

590
00:30:38,500 –> 00:30:41,600
All right, like yeah, just move
on, at that point.

591
00:30:41,700 –> 00:30:44,700
And the thing is right around
this time, Richard held is

592
00:30:44,700 –> 00:30:46,900
living in the same area as
Tupac.

593
00:30:47,300 –> 00:30:51,100
And after Tupac starts working
on Geronimo, Pratt’s, defense

594
00:30:51,100 –> 00:30:52,900
and Huey Newton gets
assassinated.

595
00:30:53,200 –> 00:30:59,100
This is when all of the of Tupac
really starts and the number of

596
00:30:59,100 –> 00:31:02,100
incidents that he finds himself
involved in over the next few

597
00:31:02,100 –> 00:31:06,000
years.
It does kind of seem like f like

598
00:31:06,000 –> 00:31:07,800
the government is just fucking
with him, right?

599
00:31:07,900 –> 00:31:10,500
Yeah.
The the first thing that

600
00:31:10,500 –> 00:31:12,100
happened right.
After he released, his first

601
00:31:12,100 –> 00:31:15,200
music video, to Oakland Police
Officer stopped him for

602
00:31:15,200 –> 00:31:20,400
jaywalking, and he claimed, they
beat him up, his court.

603
00:31:20,400 –> 00:31:23,600
Testimony was that police
officer Alexander boy of each

604
00:31:23,600 –> 00:31:25,100
put him in a choke.
Hold.

605
00:31:25,300 –> 00:31:28,400
Repeatedly slammed his face into
the ground.

606
00:31:28,700 –> 00:31:32,100
Tupac filed a lawsuit in
eventually settled out of court.

607
00:31:32,600 –> 00:31:34,200
I don’t know.
Cops putting people in choke

608
00:31:34,200 –> 00:31:36,100
holds.
That doesn’t sound like yeah,

609
00:31:36,200 –> 00:31:38,400
that doesn’t sound like so not
for the bud by the way.

610
00:31:38,400 –> 00:31:41,300
This is over a crosswalk.
Yeah.

611
00:31:41,700 –> 00:31:45,200
Because he didn’t wait for the
green guy to go to 7-Eleven and

612
00:31:45,200 –> 00:31:46,600
it’s worth noting up to this
point.

613
00:31:46,600 –> 00:31:49,500
Tupac has no arrests.
He has no criminal record,

614
00:31:49,500 –> 00:31:50,100
right?
Yeah.

615
00:31:50,100 –> 00:31:55,500
Before his first music video
comes out and at a he aimed at a

616
00:31:55,508 –> 00:31:58,100
benefit concert on the
three-year anniversary of Huey

617
00:31:58,100 –> 00:32:00,800
Newton’s.
Death at that someone named

618
00:32:00,800 –> 00:32:04,300
Demetrius according to
Witnesses, shows up and punches

619
00:32:04,300 –> 00:32:07,400
Tupac in the face while he
signing autographs, at which

620
00:32:07,400 –> 00:32:11,000
point a group of men joined in
attacking him, a friend of

621
00:32:11,000 –> 00:32:15,400
Tupac’s fires, a warning shot.
And then the crowd somehow turns

622
00:32:15,400 –> 00:32:21,100
on Tupac, and he gets basically
beaten by this mob all.

623
00:32:21,100 –> 00:32:24,400
While police are just kind of
standing there, right?

624
00:32:24,400 –> 00:32:27,200
Watching.
Just like me this is but it’s

625
00:32:27,200 –> 00:32:29,000
not really our jurisdiction
here.

626
00:32:29,000 –> 00:32:33,100
I mean and if you look into the
the I thought this was the new

627
00:32:33,100 –> 00:32:37,500
dance, the kids are doing punch
the guy you like the thing about

628
00:32:37,500 –> 00:32:42,500
the FBI, all of their cointelpro
shit that happened in the 70s is

629
00:32:42,500 –> 00:32:46,300
just available for people to go
and read and this is the kind of

630
00:32:46,300 –> 00:32:50,000
shit they would do.
They would send someone into a

631
00:32:50,000 –> 00:32:54,600
fucking meeting of leftists or a
rally or something to, like,

632
00:32:54,600 –> 00:32:57,600
just fucking Can fire a shot in
the air and get the fuck out of

633
00:32:57,600 –> 00:33:00,400
there, and we just say it cause
they Cause violence.

634
00:33:00,700 –> 00:33:05,000
It doesn’t have to be like, like
a surgical Lego, it doesn’t need

635
00:33:05,000 –> 00:33:07,300
Precision, they just need to
fuck shit up, right?

636
00:33:07,300 –> 00:33:11,500
Yeah, and the thing is, that’s
what happened here is, is soon

637
00:33:11,500 –> 00:33:14,800
as this incident happened, Dan
Quayle, all of a sudden, the

638
00:33:14,800 –> 00:33:19,100
vice president of the fucking
United States goes on the, in

639
00:33:19,100 –> 00:33:22,700
front of the nation, to
denounce, Tupac lyrics at a

640
00:33:22,700 –> 00:33:26,700
point where Tupac had sold less
than 100,000 albums in his

641
00:33:26,700 –> 00:33:27,800
career.
Oh, geez.

642
00:33:27,800 –> 00:33:31,400
So he was almost nobody, that
seems like it’s a solid

643
00:33:31,400 –> 00:33:34,600
promotion for to so much.
Yeah, just Mike Pence.

644
00:33:34,600 –> 00:33:39,300
Being like this, Hopson guys,
gotta go, you know, and after

645
00:33:39,300 –> 00:33:43,500
this incident, he starts getting
arrested all the fucking time.

646
00:33:43,800 –> 00:33:48,500
And over the next few years,
Tupac is arrested close to a

647
00:33:48,500 –> 00:33:52,200
dozen times on mostly dubious
charges.

648
00:33:52,200 –> 00:33:54,900
Most of which are dismissed when
they go to court.

649
00:33:55,200 –> 00:33:59,700
And over this period of time,
also the FBI field office in

650
00:33:59,700 –> 00:34:03,200
l.a. compiles.
A 4000 page file on Tupac.

651
00:34:03,400 –> 00:34:06,300
This feels not the same, but
similar to that Stormy Daniels,

652
00:34:06,300 –> 00:34:08,199
getting arrested thing where it
right.

653
00:34:08,500 –> 00:34:12,400
She’s like, she was called out.
And now there’s going to be cops

654
00:34:12,400 –> 00:34:14,900
like, like the oh yeah, because
it was like, someone was like,

655
00:34:14,900 –> 00:34:17,500
she, let someone like touch her
titty, like a don’t touch my

656
00:34:17,500 –> 00:34:20,699
tit, like strip bar, you know,
and like she was just like,

657
00:34:20,699 –> 00:34:22,800
yeah, this guy was fucking with
me and I didn’t know what to do

658
00:34:22,800 –> 00:34:25,100
and they’re like, well, you
broke the law lady.

659
00:34:25,800 –> 00:34:27,300
Yeah.
And like it.

660
00:34:27,300 –> 00:34:28,600
Yeah.
With this much heat on him.

661
00:34:28,600 –> 00:34:31,800
Like if the vice president calls
you out, then cops are going to

662
00:34:31,808 –> 00:34:34,199
be looking for every fucking
reason, right?

663
00:34:34,199 –> 00:34:36,000
Ssible to give you shit,
exactly.

664
00:34:36,000 –> 00:34:37,800
And it’s like yeah, you want
that fucking photo?

665
00:34:37,800 –> 00:34:40,600
Hang it up in the lobby.
If you’re like like Podunk these

666
00:34:40,600 –> 00:34:44,000
departments, like what he’s
doing a show in Cinci, we got a

667
00:34:44,000 –> 00:34:46,300
fucking.
Let’s see if his tags are

668
00:34:46,300 –> 00:34:48,400
up-to-date, you know?
Yeah.

669
00:34:48,600 –> 00:34:52,699
And keep in mind what’s
happening in the background of

670
00:34:52,699 –> 00:34:55,800
all of this.
The Rodney King riots had Had

671
00:34:55,800 –> 00:35:00,400
started by this point and the
Larry King riots when the girls

672
00:35:00,400 –> 00:35:02,700
no not enough suspenders to go
around.

673
00:35:03,100 –> 00:35:07,700
So in snapped a man suspenders I
know and I think a lot of people

674
00:35:07,700 –> 00:35:11,900
forget the one of the immediate
aftermath of the LA riots, was a

675
00:35:11,900 –> 00:35:19,500
gang truce and that gang truce
turned into started turning into

676
00:35:19,500 –> 00:35:22,500
a lot of what Tupac was saying
in that prison interview.

677
00:35:22,500 –> 00:35:25,700
Yeah, where it was gang leaders
coming out and going hey, How

678
00:35:25,700 –> 00:35:26,900
about instead of being
gangsters?

679
00:35:26,900 –> 00:35:29,200
How about we be socialists?
Ryan?

680
00:35:29,200 –> 00:35:33,900
Just put all of this money back
into creating a self-sustaining

681
00:35:33,900 –> 00:35:38,600
Community, we can police
ourselves and that’s a thing

682
00:35:38,900 –> 00:35:43,300
that if you look into it, there
are records and documents that

683
00:35:43,300 –> 00:35:47,100
show that the various
intelligence agencies of the US

684
00:35:47,100 –> 00:35:49,500
did infiltrate that and try to
break that up.

685
00:35:49,500 –> 00:35:52,900
Also, and they did successfully
break it up eventually.

686
00:35:53,000 –> 00:35:55,100
Yeah, some guy showed up with
Costco.

687
00:35:55,400 –> 00:35:57,900
Acres and he was like, I’m here
for the radicalism.

688
00:35:57,900 –> 00:36:01,100
Yeah.
They it was around this time.

689
00:36:01,100 –> 00:36:04,000
Also, George Bush, declared the
Crips and bloods along with

690
00:36:04,000 –> 00:36:07,800
various other criminal
organizations as having replaced

691
00:36:07,800 –> 00:36:11,200
communism as the main domestic
subversive threat.

692
00:36:11,400 –> 00:36:14,300
Hell, yeah.
And a couple of the people

693
00:36:14,300 –> 00:36:18,000
involved in the gang truce, Tony
Bogart.

694
00:36:18,300 –> 00:36:20,400
He was a gang leader who gained
national attention for

695
00:36:20,400 –> 00:36:22,900
championing.
The gang truce shot and killed

696
00:36:22,900 –> 00:36:27,500
in January, 94 by reputed drug.
There who was released from jail

697
00:36:27,500 –> 00:36:30,800
shortly after pleading guilty,
to involuntary, manslaughter

698
00:36:31,300 –> 00:36:33,800
say, murdered the guy and
immediately got out of prison.

699
00:36:34,200 –> 00:36:37,500
Also, Dwayne homes, another gang
leaders that are revolving door,

700
00:36:37,500 –> 00:36:40,000
like a fucking department store,
the York City, just like, all

701
00:36:40,000 –> 00:36:42,100
right in and out.
Thank you very much.

702
00:36:42,100 –> 00:36:46,100
Here’s your paper bag, full of
cash, another gang leader,

703
00:36:46,100 –> 00:36:48,200
Dwayne homes.
He helped finalize.

704
00:36:48,200 –> 00:36:51,000
The 92 gang truce, he was
arrested for allegedly

705
00:36:51,000 –> 00:36:55,300
committing, a ten-dollar robbery
at a gang Unity dance.

706
00:36:55,400 –> 00:36:59,000
Since I still more than that,
every time I go to Target, you

707
00:36:59,000 –> 00:37:03,200
know, and this was like the era
of the three-strikes laws.

708
00:37:03,200 –> 00:37:06,100
So he had a couple convictions
so he basically went to prison

709
00:37:06,100 –> 00:37:09,900
for life for that and these were
like the two heads of the gang

710
00:37:09,900 –> 00:37:13,900
truce and he’s like can I just
put back the vitamin waters?

711
00:37:13,900 –> 00:37:20,000
Like gonna I got the money like
and around this time also mutulu

712
00:37:20,000 –> 00:37:23,000
Shakur, Tupac stepfather, who we
mentioned earlier was

713
00:37:23,000 –> 00:37:25,700
transferred to the
highest-security prison The

714
00:37:25,700 –> 00:37:28,400
country located underground in
Florence.

715
00:37:28,400 –> 00:37:32,800
Colorado, awarded a wardens memo
says it was done due to concern

716
00:37:32,800 –> 00:37:37,400
over his quote, outside contacts
in influence, over the younger

717
00:37:37,400 –> 00:37:40,200
black element you like he’s
meat.

718
00:37:40,200 –> 00:37:46,800
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, and you just like, oh

719
00:37:46,800 –> 00:37:48,200
no, someone give him a
saxophone.

720
00:37:48,200 –> 00:37:52,000
He’s gonna tear down.
The walls with power of spirit

721
00:37:52,000 –> 00:38:01,300
of blue cheese crumble.
So it’s around this time, 1993

722
00:38:01,300 –> 00:38:05,800
is the first time Tupac is
almost shot and it’s a, it’s a

723
00:38:05,800 –> 00:38:09,600
weird situation.
He’s coming home from a show in

724
00:38:09,600 –> 00:38:12,600
Atlanta, it’s always like well,
Tupac was on his way back from a

725
00:38:12,607 –> 00:38:16,300
bake sale to raise money for.
You know, a woman who was beaten

726
00:38:16,300 –> 00:38:18,900
to death for a looking at a
candy bar too long.

727
00:38:19,200 –> 00:38:22,600
And at this point, someone said
that he raped them.

728
00:38:22,600 –> 00:38:23,900
So, here, whatever.
You know.

729
00:38:23,900 –> 00:38:25,900
It’s just, it’s just so fucking
And silly.

730
00:38:26,100 –> 00:38:31,100
Yeah the weird thing about this
he’s coming back from a show in

731
00:38:31,100 –> 00:38:36,400
Atlanta and his car stops next
to a parking lot where he sees

732
00:38:36,600 –> 00:38:41,600
two white dudes beating up a
black dude in his car and Tupac

733
00:38:41,600 –> 00:38:44,400
stops and is like hey guys
what’s going on?

734
00:38:45,200 –> 00:38:48,100
I like the idea of him like
driving by like that’s a little

735
00:38:48,100 –> 00:38:49,900
weird.
Huh well I like the idea of

736
00:38:49,900 –> 00:38:51,800
someone on a walkie-talkie
going.

737
00:38:52,100 –> 00:38:54,500
All right he’s coming start
fighting know they will they had

738
00:38:54,500 –> 00:38:56,600
like six do.
At station two different like,

739
00:38:56,600 –> 00:38:58,400
oh well, I don’t know if he’s
gonna take, I don’t know if he’s

740
00:38:58,400 –> 00:39:02,300
gonna take pekoe or Foothills.
Let’s just have a bunch of guys

741
00:39:02,300 –> 00:39:06,200
ready to beat up a minority, you
know, just ready to go and then

742
00:39:06,200 –> 00:39:07,500
we’ll the he’ll see, one of
them.

743
00:39:07,500 –> 00:39:09,600
He’s gotta do something.
You know, the black dude was a

744
00:39:09,607 –> 00:39:13,100
cop, too.
It’s just like, such an obvious

745
00:39:13,100 –> 00:39:14,700
trap.
It’s like this is like a like a

746
00:39:14,700 –> 00:39:18,400
like a stick underneath a box
with a jar of honey to get a

747
00:39:18,408 –> 00:39:20,600
bear.
Like it’s just like oh how do we

748
00:39:20,600 –> 00:39:22,000
like?
This is something that I white

749
00:39:22,000 –> 00:39:24,500
guy with a crew cut thought of,
you know, and he was just like,

750
00:39:24,500 –> 00:39:29,100
it’s genius.
And it almost worked, because

751
00:39:29,100 –> 00:39:31,700
Tupac stopped.
And when he asked what’s

752
00:39:31,700 –> 00:39:34,800
happening, one of the men
pointed a gun in the direction

753
00:39:34,800 –> 00:39:39,100
of Tupac’s group and shouted.
Get down, which sounds like a

754
00:39:39,100 –> 00:39:40,000
cop.
Yep.

755
00:39:40,100 –> 00:39:42,000
And another witness says he
quotes.

756
00:39:42,000 –> 00:39:44,900
Psalm are quit.
Well, smashed the Mercedes front

757
00:39:44,900 –> 00:39:49,900
passenger window with the handle
but of a gun and shoot at Tupac.

758
00:39:50,000 –> 00:39:52,000
Who was sitting behind the
driver.

759
00:39:52,400 –> 00:39:56,000
Another bystander said he saw a
quote, one of the Males, pull

760
00:39:56,000 –> 00:40:00,300
out and point, a black handgun.
And then fired one shot into the

761
00:40:00,300 –> 00:40:02,800
Mercedes.
Those attackers Mark and Scott

762
00:40:02,800 –> 00:40:07,200
Whitwell were off-duty, Atlanta
police in their losses.

763
00:40:07,200 –> 00:40:10,800
In the report, they described
the incident thusly and words

764
00:40:10,800 –> 00:40:14,300
came by and did a drive-by.
Shooting Tupac was arrested for

765
00:40:14,300 –> 00:40:19,000
attempted murder tried and
acquitted because he shot back.

766
00:40:19,200 –> 00:40:21,700
I don’t know how I left that out
of the notes, but he shot back

767
00:40:21,700 –> 00:40:24,200
at that hit.
One of them in the ass.

768
00:40:24,300 –> 00:40:26,400
Oh, fuck you.
And I think The other one in the

769
00:40:26,400 –> 00:40:28,400
arm weight.
So they were two off-duty cops.

770
00:40:28,400 –> 00:40:32,300
Attacking this guy.
They Tupac sees two white,

771
00:40:32,300 –> 00:40:34,500
dudes, punching a black dude in
his car.

772
00:40:34,600 –> 00:40:36,300
It’s like they didn’t.
They weren’t trying to kill

773
00:40:36,300 –> 00:40:37,700
them.
They’re trying to get him to

774
00:40:37,700 –> 00:40:39,200
kill one of them.
Yeah, they were try.

775
00:40:39,200 –> 00:40:42,700
They were trying to get him
arrested for attempted murder.

776
00:40:42,700 –> 00:40:45,600
Yeah.
And they got him arrested but we

777
00:40:45,600 –> 00:40:47,300
all drink.
We all Drew straws at the

778
00:40:47,300 –> 00:40:49,800
precinct and it looks like you
guys are going to have to maybe

779
00:40:49,800 –> 00:40:53,900
get shot so we can stop this guy
from rapping about sharing.

780
00:40:56,500 –> 00:40:59,200
Yeah, that’s kind of I mean
fucking love America cause I

781
00:40:59,207 –> 00:41:01,800
don’t think see you again.
I don’t think it’s like, it was

782
00:41:01,800 –> 00:41:04,200
that planned?
I think it must have been

783
00:41:04,200 –> 00:41:07,200
facilitated in a way to end.
Like yeah.

784
00:41:07,200 –> 00:41:08,500
That’s that’s how I think about
it.

785
00:41:08,500 –> 00:41:10,800
I don’t know exactly how were
the idea that the cops they

786
00:41:10,800 –> 00:41:12,700
found the most racist fucking
cops.

787
00:41:12,700 –> 00:41:14,600
They could put them in this
situation either.

788
00:41:14,700 –> 00:41:17,900
It was such a difficult process
of them will get shot.

789
00:41:18,700 –> 00:41:22,500
Yeah, I’m sure finding racist
cops in Atlanta real chore.

790
00:41:22,600 –> 00:41:25,900
Yeah, oh good.
Everyone here is just They’re

791
00:41:25,900 –> 00:41:29,300
all they probably had to promise
applicants that.

792
00:41:29,300 –> 00:41:31,900
There would be other rappers
they could Target in future.

793
00:41:31,900 –> 00:41:34,500
Yeah, there were just too many
people applying to Target and

794
00:41:34,500 –> 00:41:36,000
this beat.
Can this be my beat?

795
00:41:36,000 –> 00:41:38,500
Can I just be the LL?
Cool.

796
00:41:38,500 –> 00:41:40,900
J.
Entrapment Squad and this is

797
00:41:40,900 –> 00:41:43,200
Ali’s.
It’s basic and Tupac.

798
00:41:43,200 –> 00:41:45,400
So he shot back at these.
People are shooting at him.

799
00:41:45,400 –> 00:41:47,400
Yeah.
So basically he did like the

800
00:41:47,400 –> 00:41:50,100
stand, your ground stuff that
people are getting away right

801
00:41:50,100 –> 00:41:53,500
now and a jury found him not
guilty.

802
00:41:53,700 –> 00:41:55,300
And as a result.
Yeah, good.

803
00:41:55,400 –> 00:41:57,200
In this instance.
Yeah.

804
00:41:57,300 –> 00:41:59,500
Oh, it’s just fucking I mean
it’s the same shit that happens

805
00:41:59,500 –> 00:42:01,900
today.
It’s like I will these protests

806
00:42:01,900 –> 00:42:02,900
and stuff.
It’s like they’re people that

807
00:42:02,900 –> 00:42:06,600
are just like this is like the
like I’m trying to look.

808
00:42:06,600 –> 00:42:10,900
I’m looking for an excuse to do
what I want to do anyway which

809
00:42:10,900 –> 00:42:14,200
is like fight you know a
socialist or a black person or

810
00:42:14,207 –> 00:42:16,900
both or what the fuck ever like.
Then they just they just show up

811
00:42:16,900 –> 00:42:22,200
in like wait like well I thought
he had a pull, the cell phone

812
00:42:22,200 –> 00:42:24,300
out of his pocket I thought it
was a guy had to do it, you

813
00:42:24,300 –> 00:42:26,900
know?
And they just It’s going out

814
00:42:26,900 –> 00:42:28,400
cruising for it, you know what I
mean?

815
00:42:28,800 –> 00:42:32,800
And what’s crazy is it.
I agree that it does seem like

816
00:42:32,800 –> 00:42:35,800
they were trying to get him
arrested and, you know, maybe

817
00:42:35,800 –> 00:42:39,400
get him sent to prison and they
do.

818
00:42:39,400 –> 00:42:42,600
He does eventually go to prison
on a rape charge.

819
00:42:42,900 –> 00:42:46,400
And I know this isn’t a popular
thing to say in these political

820
00:42:46,400 –> 00:42:49,500
times, but I think that rape
charge was the government

821
00:42:49,500 –> 00:42:51,700
targeting him and trying to get
him arrested.

822
00:42:51,700 –> 00:42:55,300
Also, I haven’t, I haven’t, I
don’t know much about it or

823
00:42:55,400 –> 00:42:57,500
Don’t read into it.
What’s what’s the argument

824
00:42:57,500 –> 00:43:00,800
there?
Well, it happened in 1993 again.

825
00:43:00,800 –> 00:43:04,500
So, basically like a month after
this police shooting the same

826
00:43:04,500 –> 00:43:06,900
year as the Atlanta shooting.
While he’s filming Above the

827
00:43:06,900 –> 00:43:10,000
Rim, he needs awesome.
Expand that just brought their

828
00:43:10,000 –> 00:43:12,000
beautiful baby boy from the
hospital.

829
00:43:12,700 –> 00:43:15,400
He meets a damn it.
I don’t think I put the link in

830
00:43:15,400 –> 00:43:18,500
here, but he mentions this guy
in a song on the Machiavelli

831
00:43:18,500 –> 00:43:21,100
album, the songs called Against
All Odds.

832
00:43:21,700 –> 00:43:26,000
He meets a Haitian, music
promoter named Jacques, Knots

833
00:43:26,400 –> 00:43:31,100
and of not in Tradition name.
Yeah, and he’s on this Tupac.

834
00:43:31,100 –> 00:43:34,600
So he calls him Haitian Jack and
goes into this long.

835
00:43:34,600 –> 00:43:38,700
Verse about how Haitian Jack was
a snitch working for the

836
00:43:38,700 –> 00:43:42,500
government who set Tupac up to
be arrested, and eventually set

837
00:43:42,500 –> 00:43:46,600
him up to be shot and not
introduce Tupac to.

838
00:43:46,600 –> 00:43:49,300
I Anna Jackson or Ayanna
Jackson, the woman who

839
00:43:49,300 –> 00:43:51,700
eventually accused him of
assault first night.

840
00:43:51,700 –> 00:43:55,300
They met they had consensual
sex, she said in court records,

841
00:43:55,400 –> 00:43:59,100
That she quote, kissed his penis
on the dance floor, and then

842
00:43:59,100 –> 00:44:01,000
they had sex in his hotel room.
Yeah.

843
00:44:01,000 –> 00:44:05,200
Just a little and she came back.
A few nights later and had

844
00:44:05,200 –> 00:44:08,600
consensual sex with Tupac again.
But, then claimed that, after

845
00:44:08,600 –> 00:44:11,300
that, Tupac in a few Associates
assaulted her.

846
00:44:11,900 –> 00:44:16,200
And what Tupac’s says, and said
in court, was that he was

847
00:44:16,200 –> 00:44:22,200
hanging out with this Jacques of
not, when he called wenneck not

848
00:44:22,200 –> 00:44:25,100
calls for Ayanna Jackson, to
come to the hotel room.

849
00:44:25,400 –> 00:44:29,100
And he says he got oral sex from
her and then went in the other

850
00:44:29,100 –> 00:44:32,200
room and passed out.
And he said, when he woke up at

851
00:44:32,200 –> 00:44:37,800
felt like he had been drugged,
and in the months between the

852
00:44:37,800 –> 00:44:43,000
end after that, she claimed that
he and ignite basically sexually

853
00:44:43,000 –> 00:44:47,500
assaulted her, he was charged
with forced sodomy, and forced

854
00:44:47,500 –> 00:44:53,600
oral sex, I believe.
And so, then the, when the trial

855
00:44:53,600 –> 00:44:57,400
starts in the months between
Ween that and the trial the FBI

856
00:44:57,400 –> 00:45:00,400
somehow loses voicemail
recordings from Jackson.

857
00:45:00,800 –> 00:45:02,800
That it’s claimed.
Would have implied?

858
00:45:02,800 –> 00:45:04,800
All the encounters were
consensual.

859
00:45:05,200 –> 00:45:10,100
Meanwhile, Jacques ignite one
was bailed out by a policemen’s

860
00:45:10,100 –> 00:45:14,500
benevolent Association lawyer
who also represented him in

861
00:45:14,500 –> 00:45:17,700
court and Tupac’s trial lawyer
obtained.

862
00:45:17,700 –> 00:45:21,700
A nonce rap sheet, which showed
a long list of major charges up

863
00:45:21,700 –> 00:45:26,200
and down the East Coast all
dismissed, which is Really good

864
00:45:26,200 –> 00:45:28,300
sign.
If anyone has seen The Departed,

865
00:45:28,600 –> 00:45:32,100
that someone is probably working
for the FBI, or for the

866
00:45:32,100 –> 00:45:34,000
government.
Oh, so he was kind of their guy,

867
00:45:34,000 –> 00:45:36,300
like do some dirt will get you
off, right?

868
00:45:36,300 –> 00:45:39,100
Okay.
And it sounds like a crazy

869
00:45:39,100 –> 00:45:42,200
suggestion but we know the FBI
has informed.

870
00:45:42,200 –> 00:45:45,500
He’s the way he’s the other guy
who she accused is that what’s

871
00:45:45,500 –> 00:45:46,100
going?
Right?

872
00:45:46,200 –> 00:45:50,100
So you so it’s not that she made
anything up so much is this guy

873
00:45:50,100 –> 00:45:55,200
was you’re saying was paid to to
assault her either.

874
00:45:55,400 –> 00:45:59,300
Either that or his rug tour
Hawk, She and Him were working

875
00:45:59,300 –> 00:46:03,300
together, right?
As part of some sort of law

876
00:46:03,300 –> 00:46:06,200
enforcement, operation to
entrap, Tupac?

877
00:46:06,300 –> 00:46:08,300
What’s interesting about that
there is that, that means that

878
00:46:08,300 –> 00:46:10,600
there’s a casting process where
it’s just like, alright, we’re

879
00:46:10,600 –> 00:46:12,600
bringing in 10 people which one
do you think?

880
00:46:12,600 –> 00:46:16,600
Tupac would find the hottest?
And I dads are like, well I

881
00:46:16,600 –> 00:46:18,800
don’t know.
I mean I you know I got this

882
00:46:18,800 –> 00:46:20,300
done that you saw.
There’s like there’s again a

883
00:46:20,300 –> 00:46:22,400
bunch of guys and Crewcuts
wearing Costco shoes.

884
00:46:22,400 –> 00:46:26,900
Just um well I mean she has the
boot But does she have the

885
00:46:27,000 –> 00:46:29,500
certain je ne sais?
Quoi that would attract a man of

886
00:46:29,500 –> 00:46:32,200
mr.
Shakir stature that’s definitely

887
00:46:32,200 –> 00:46:35,200
the hardest pill to swallow just
because I mean this is more of

888
00:46:35,200 –> 00:46:40,000
course with the internet and
stuff but like women who come

889
00:46:40,000 –> 00:46:43,600
out and say that they were raped
or assaulted by a celebrity, do

890
00:46:43,600 –> 00:46:48,500
not have a good time with that.
Yeah, right I’ve obviously yeah

891
00:46:48,500 –> 00:46:52,600
this is before the internet but
there’s more to the trial near

892
00:46:52,600 –> 00:46:54,900
the end of the trial.
The prosecution apparently at

893
00:46:54,900 –> 00:46:58,500
one point Point offered to
accept a mistrial for having

894
00:46:58,500 –> 00:47:02,600
withheld evidence, and that
evidence was photos of Ayanna

895
00:47:02,600 –> 00:47:06,000
Jackson at the scene that could
have cleared Tupac.

896
00:47:06,200 –> 00:47:10,100
He rejected the offer wanting to
completely clear his name.

897
00:47:10,500 –> 00:47:17,200
And while the jury was still out
and Associate of Jacques of not,

898
00:47:17,200 –> 00:47:20,800
Jimmy henchman Rosemond, reached
out to Tupac and offered him

899
00:47:20,800 –> 00:47:23,900
three thousand dollars to record
a song with another rapper.

900
00:47:24,100 –> 00:47:27,500
So this is like, when Jury goes
to deliberate, right?

901
00:47:27,500 –> 00:47:32,100
This associate of the guy and I
didn’t put in the notes.

902
00:47:32,100 –> 00:47:35,900
Also, this shock ignite also
somehow manages to get his trial

903
00:47:35,900 –> 00:47:40,400
separated from Tupac’s, which
isn’t a common thing, right?

904
00:47:40,400 –> 00:47:42,900
It is a thing that takes a very
good lawyer.

905
00:47:43,200 –> 00:47:47,400
And this associative of not
reaches out and offers Tupac,

906
00:47:47,400 –> 00:47:49,100
three thousand dollars to record
a song.

907
00:47:49,400 –> 00:47:52,600
And this is a quote from Tupac,
I felt nervous because this guy

908
00:47:52,600 –> 00:47:55,200
knew somebody I had major beef
with not.

909
00:47:55,300 –> 00:47:58,300
Nigel, which is a not had
introduced me to Booker, which

910
00:47:58,300 –> 00:48:00,600
is Roseman.
Everybody knew I was short on

911
00:48:00,600 –> 00:48:03,000
money, all my shows were being
canceled.

912
00:48:03,200 –> 00:48:09,400
So the guy who was maybe an FBI
asset is tied to the recording

913
00:48:09,400 –> 00:48:14,800
session that ultimately gets
Tupac shot, which it’s a, it’s

914
00:48:14,800 –> 00:48:17,500
an impossible thing to prove at
this point knows.

915
00:48:17,500 –> 00:48:18,900
This one.
Is this that song?

916
00:48:18,900 –> 00:48:20,600
He did.
That was kind of about the Tyson

917
00:48:20,600 –> 00:48:22,900
match that came out.
That was like, the last thing

918
00:48:22,900 –> 00:48:24,800
you’ve recorded if I’m if I’m
not mistaken.

919
00:48:24,900 –> 00:48:26,800
No.
This was before he even joins

920
00:48:26,800 –> 00:48:28,200
Death Row Records.
Okay.

921
00:48:28,200 –> 00:48:33,500
This is when he finally goes to
prison and the incarceration

922
00:48:33,500 –> 00:48:35,400
where Suge Knight finally bails
him out.

923
00:48:35,700 –> 00:48:39,900
Gotcha, and what Tupac said is,
as he was approaching the

924
00:48:39,900 –> 00:48:42,800
studio, a 30-something black man
was hanging out in Army,

925
00:48:42,800 –> 00:48:44,500
fatigues and didn’t acknowledge
Him.

926
00:48:44,500 –> 00:48:47,400
He said he was too stoned to
realize at the time.

927
00:48:47,408 –> 00:48:50,700
How weird that was right?
Because normally with as visible

928
00:48:50,700 –> 00:48:54,100
as Tupac was, at the time.
If someone was a rap fan and saw

929
00:48:54,100 –> 00:48:57,600
him walking up to a A studio,
where rap songs are recorded,

930
00:48:57,600 –> 00:48:59,900
they probably would have said
something yeah.

931
00:48:59,900 –> 00:49:02,000
When he got in the building that
man and another, who’d been

932
00:49:02,000 –> 00:49:05,600
waiting inside shot and robbed
him years later, a man named

933
00:49:05,600 –> 00:49:09,000
Dexter, Isaac signed a letter
saying, quote, James Roseman

934
00:49:09,000 –> 00:49:12,100
hired me to Rob Tupac Shakur at
quad Studios.

935
00:49:12,400 –> 00:49:15,700
He gave me twenty five hundred
dollars plus all the jewelry.

936
00:49:15,700 –> 00:49:17,000
I took.
Hmm.

937
00:49:17,300 –> 00:49:20,500
And government documents show
Rosamond had been charged with a

938
00:49:20,508 –> 00:49:25,100
crime in 1994 right before.
Tupac shooting he met with us.

939
00:49:25,300 –> 00:49:29,400
Prosecutors as an informant from
that time until at least June of

940
00:49:29,400 –> 00:49:33,600
1998 and those documents
included an agreement saying his

941
00:49:33,600 –> 00:49:37,000
statements to the DA and US
states, attorney would not be

942
00:49:37,000 –> 00:49:41,800
used against him regarding the
94 criminal case, so shit.

943
00:49:41,800 –> 00:49:44,900
So the total like you scratch
our back, right?

944
00:49:45,100 –> 00:49:49,000
And this was another common FBI
tactic when they wanted to break

945
00:49:49,000 –> 00:49:51,700
up a subversive organization,
they would go to someone who’d

946
00:49:51,700 –> 00:49:56,200
been arrested and say, hey, if
you show up, Up here and get us

947
00:49:56,200 –> 00:50:00,500
information about these people.
We won’t prosecute you for that

948
00:50:00,500 –> 00:50:01,600
crime.
Yeah.

949
00:50:02,000 –> 00:50:07,700
And so Tupac, he gets shot five
times and still shows up in

950
00:50:07,700 –> 00:50:10,600
court.
The next day, he’s found not

951
00:50:10,600 –> 00:50:13,900
guilty on most of the charges
including for sodomy and

952
00:50:13,900 –> 00:50:16,200
assisting forced sodomy the
charge.

953
00:50:16,200 –> 00:50:18,900
He’s found guilty on amounted to
and this is a quote from the

954
00:50:18,908 –> 00:50:21,900
jury touching Jackson’s, but
against her.

955
00:50:21,900 –> 00:50:26,500
Will he received a 12 for Your
prison sentence.

956
00:50:26,800 –> 00:50:31,400
Jacques ignite for basically the
same charges had his indictment

957
00:50:31,400 –> 00:50:34,200
dismissed and pled guilty to two
misdemeanors.

958
00:50:34,700 –> 00:50:39,900
Wow, that’s weird.
Yeah, it’s definitely odd and it

959
00:50:39,900 –> 00:50:43,800
would take a whole other episode
to keep going, but we will do

960
00:50:43,800 –> 00:50:46,800
another episode on it at some
point because the next and this

961
00:50:46,800 –> 00:50:49,500
is where I need to get the guy
who wrote this book on this

962
00:50:49,500 –> 00:50:51,700
show, right?
Because the next chapter is

963
00:50:51,700 –> 00:50:54,300
about how Death Row.
Records Was a CIA front

964
00:50:54,300 –> 00:50:56,100
operation.
Oh, fuck you.

965
00:50:56,100 –> 00:51:00,600
You haven’t even actually gotten
to like the killing the killing.

966
00:51:00,600 –> 00:51:03,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well the the name of the episode

967
00:51:03,600 –> 00:51:05,700
is the FBI versus Tupac.
Okay.

968
00:51:06,000 –> 00:51:11,000
So it’s when you get like we did
an episode on the actual killing

969
00:51:11,000 –> 00:51:14,600
right?
And there’s so many theories as

970
00:51:14,600 –> 00:51:18,000
to who would have actually
pulled the trigger, right?

971
00:51:18,100 –> 00:51:21,600
And the thing is it’s any one of
them could have been working for

972
00:51:21,600 –> 00:51:24,900
the FBI at that point.
Well that’s the thing as again

973
00:51:24,900 –> 00:51:29,400
like Back to like it feels like
the FBI has a lot of Patsy’s

974
00:51:29,400 –> 00:51:33,300
more than anything else right?
Like it feels like what the most

975
00:51:33,300 –> 00:51:37,100
realistic scenario is them.
Like not staging these things

976
00:51:37,100 –> 00:51:41,100
but just putting money in the
right places and right jesting

977
00:51:41,100 –> 00:51:43,200
hey we’re putting the right
suggest is out there.

978
00:51:43,200 –> 00:51:44,800
Yeah.
If you could do this you’ll get

979
00:51:44,800 –> 00:51:47,100
money for this.
And well, it’s like kind of

980
00:51:47,100 –> 00:51:49,900
their whole deal where it’s just
like if you just sort of like

981
00:51:49,900 –> 00:51:53,400
blow on the fucking sales and
it’s like well will arm the

982
00:51:53,400 –> 00:51:54,300
insurgents?
Yeah.

983
00:51:54,300 –> 00:51:56,900
Whatever, you know and like They
kind of just try to try to let

984
00:51:56,900 –> 00:52:00,200
it all fucking well, and also
turns everything into a

985
00:52:00,400 –> 00:52:03,200
Preposterous clusterfuck, which
makes it harder to trace back to

986
00:52:03,200 –> 00:52:04,100
them.
Right?

987
00:52:04,100 –> 00:52:05,700
Yeah.
Because they’re not trying to

988
00:52:05,700 –> 00:52:08,000
necessarily achieve a specific
goal like that.

989
00:52:08,300 –> 00:52:11,800
They’re just like they did.
It’s not in extremely important.

990
00:52:11,800 –> 00:52:13,900
They succeed in doing something
specific.

991
00:52:14,100 –> 00:52:17,000
They’re just trying to
destabilize this or trying to

992
00:52:17,100 –> 00:52:20,700
hurt one person.
Yeah, it seemed like for a good

993
00:52:20,700 –> 00:52:23,400
part of this.
It was them like my main point

994
00:52:23,400 –> 00:52:25,100
here.
Is that it feels like a can

995
00:52:25,300 –> 00:52:28,400
Attenuation of them targeting
the Black Panthers, right?

996
00:52:28,500 –> 00:52:32,500
And just movements of that
nature in general.

997
00:52:32,500 –> 00:52:34,500
Yeah.
Like you know the idea of a gang

998
00:52:34,500 –> 00:52:38,600
truce and just people like okay
what if this is now a activists

999
00:52:38,600 –> 00:52:41,500
voting block as opposed to, you
know, a source of crime.

1000
00:52:41,600 –> 00:52:42,800
Yeah.
Just like well we can’t have

1001
00:52:42,800 –> 00:52:45,700
that.
Which given what I know about

1002
00:52:45,700 –> 00:52:49,500
the history of both of these
entities, the government and

1003
00:52:49,500 –> 00:52:52,600
notorious b.i.g.
I feel like I feel more

1004
00:52:52,600 –> 00:52:55,100
comfortable saying it was
probably the government though.

1005
00:52:55,200 –> 00:52:57,400
A certain because one of the
other prevailing theories is

1006
00:52:57,400 –> 00:53:00,900
that notorious Big’s set to rock
up to be killed, it actually,

1007
00:53:00,900 –> 00:53:05,100
never absolute that by, it’s
tough because it’s also, this is

1008
00:53:05,100 –> 00:53:08,700
also an attitude that I don’t
like right now again with going

1009
00:53:08,700 –> 00:53:11,500
to the Trump stuff is that
there’s a group of people it’s

1010
00:53:11,500 –> 00:53:14,600
easier to concoct a conspiracy
theory than admit that this one

1011
00:53:14,600 –> 00:53:19,500
person might be a bad or right?
Be at fault.

1012
00:53:19,700 –> 00:53:24,600
So like I feel the same way as
you about this.

1013
00:53:25,300 –> 00:53:29,200
I have to recognize the fact
that I get mad when I see like

1014
00:53:29,200 –> 00:53:31,800
Trump people, talking about
large conspiracy.

1015
00:53:31,800 –> 00:53:34,200
Yeah, we’re the FBI is against
Trump.

1016
00:53:34,800 –> 00:53:37,700
Yeah.
Because I mean, not all the same

1017
00:53:37,700 –> 00:53:41,100
thing, not all conspiracy
theories, can be true like that,

1018
00:53:41,100 –> 00:53:45,200
we have both conspiracy theories
that there are secret structures

1019
00:53:45,200 –> 00:53:48,200
we found on the moon, right?
And that we’ve never been to the

1020
00:53:48,200 –> 00:53:52,200
moon and I weigh like the secret
structures better, the other.

1021
00:53:52,200 –> 00:53:56,800
So I choose to disregard the
Moon landing was faked Theory.

1022
00:53:56,800 –> 00:54:00,900
I think it can also all be like
because II did a I was doing a

1023
00:54:00,900 –> 00:54:03,800
lot of research on the concept
of the deep state which would be

1024
00:54:03,800 –> 00:54:08,200
the FBI and CIA write an essay
and that there’s theories that

1025
00:54:08,200 –> 00:54:11,200
that’s not so much an Insidious
thing as it is a status quo

1026
00:54:11,200 –> 00:54:13,300
thing.
Like the Wort are the Patriot

1027
00:54:13,300 –> 00:54:16,600
Act maintaining that today is
more people were like well you

1028
00:54:16,600 –> 00:54:19,600
know I got a mortgage.
So yeah, you want to keep

1029
00:54:19,600 –> 00:54:22,500
selling these this product to
Guantanamo Bay, you know.

1030
00:54:22,500 –> 00:54:25,100
Like it’s a system that they
don’t want to change.

1031
00:54:25,300 –> 00:54:27,400
In, right?
And it becomes Insidious because

1032
00:54:27,400 –> 00:54:28,800
they don’t want to change
anything.

1033
00:54:29,100 –> 00:54:32,200
And that could be targeted
against people like Tupac, that

1034
00:54:32,200 –> 00:54:35,800
could be Target against people
like Trump for good or bad.

1035
00:54:35,800 –> 00:54:38,500
Like it’s like once the
infrastructure is in place that

1036
00:54:38,500 –> 00:54:41,100
exists to perpetuate itself.
Yeah.

1037
00:54:41,100 –> 00:54:42,800
You know what I mean?
Like once they once they have

1038
00:54:42,800 –> 00:54:45,400
all these people, you know,
employed within something, it’s

1039
00:54:45,400 –> 00:54:49,000
very hard to like it’s easier to
make a new government agency

1040
00:54:49,000 –> 00:54:50,800
than is too fucking shut one
down.

1041
00:54:50,900 –> 00:54:53,400
Like, you know, I think if you
looked at it, I’m not sure if

1042
00:54:53,400 –> 00:54:55,900
you have been Consolidated but
it’s like Well, yeah, it’s like

1043
00:54:56,000 –> 00:54:56,900
we’re going to make a space for
us.

1044
00:54:56,900 –> 00:54:59,500
And there’s a good luck fucking
defunding space for us once

1045
00:54:59,500 –> 00:55:01,600
they’re like, well, you don’t
think these brave men, it, you

1046
00:55:01,600 –> 00:55:04,900
know, like it’s just impossible
to fucking undo this shit.

1047
00:55:04,900 –> 00:55:07,300
Like once you let the cat out of
the bag, it’s like it’s like the

1048
00:55:07,300 –> 00:55:09,200
old third rail of politics.
Like with, you know, Social

1049
00:55:09,200 –> 00:55:10,600
Security and, you know, Medicare
and shit.

1050
00:55:10,600 –> 00:55:13,400
It’s like, well, like once you
do it, it’s like now you, if you

1051
00:55:13,400 –> 00:55:14,900
take it away, then people get
fucking.

1052
00:55:14,900 –> 00:55:17,200
But heard like, that’s really
the so like, if you give them

1053
00:55:17,200 –> 00:55:19,700
anything good, you it’s hard to
take that away.

1054
00:55:19,700 –> 00:55:21,800
If you give them any, if you
give them anything bad, it’s

1055
00:55:21,800 –> 00:55:24,900
harder to take that away.
So it’s like they just want shit

1056
00:55:24,900 –> 00:55:28,200
to keep Keep moving because it’s
like, it’s a very precarious

1057
00:55:28,200 –> 00:55:30,800
Rube Goldberg machine of.
Yeah, society.

1058
00:55:31,000 –> 00:55:34,600
And it’s like a few and they’re
just like if we fucking tax the

1059
00:55:34,600 –> 00:55:36,600
rich, it’s going to be a whole
thing.

1060
00:55:36,700 –> 00:55:38,600
You know, they’re like anyone to
job, they don’t want to deal

1061
00:55:38,600 –> 00:55:39,300
with it.
Right.

1062
00:55:39,300 –> 00:55:41,900
You know, I’ve always compared
to like an old house or an old

1063
00:55:41,900 –> 00:55:45,400
car where it’s like, well if we
fucking fix the wiring here,

1064
00:55:45,400 –> 00:55:47,000
we’re going to have to gut the
whole thing.

1065
00:55:47,000 –> 00:55:48,900
Yeah.
They’re just like trying to keep

1066
00:55:48,900 –> 00:55:52,400
it together but they don’t want
to like start over.

1067
00:55:52,700 –> 00:55:55,700
Yeah, yeah.
So like I said we’re going to

1068
00:55:55,700 –> 00:55:58,400
end there but I will I’m going
to try and get this guy on the

1069
00:55:58,400 –> 00:56:04,100
show for when we finish this
story because the next part of

1070
00:56:04,107 –> 00:56:07,700
this, of course, is Suge Knight
bailing Tupac out of prison

1071
00:56:07,700 –> 00:56:11,100
right and signing him to Death
Row Records.

1072
00:56:11,500 –> 00:56:14,500
And this book asserts that Death
Row.

1073
00:56:14,500 –> 00:56:18,400
Records Was a CIA front
operation, which what is that at

1074
00:56:18,400 –> 00:56:22,200
a whole new level.
So this story Livia which I like

1075
00:56:22,200 –> 00:56:24,000
the idea that the guy that’s
featured on the real

1076
00:56:24,000 –> 00:56:28,500
motherfucking G’s Track, that
isn’t easy e is an FBI informant

1077
00:56:28,700 –> 00:56:31,000
and they had like a again, a
bunch of a bunch of white guys.

1078
00:56:31,000 –> 00:56:34,900
Sit down to write like but it
was a she thing, but do not a g

1079
00:56:34,900 –> 00:56:42,000
thing about the pussy thing,
bitch, like that would Dave that

1080
00:56:42,000 –> 00:56:44,500
guy is that just picked the
wrong fucking side so hard.

1081
00:56:44,500 –> 00:56:47,500
I love that guy.
I forget his name.

1082
00:56:48,000 –> 00:56:52,500
So, so that’s our episode.
I feel like if people want to be

1083
00:56:52,500 –> 00:56:55,000
really, if nothing else
thoroughly entertained.

1084
00:56:55,100 –> 00:56:59,700
Go out and read drugs As Weapons
against us by John potash.

1085
00:56:59,700 –> 00:57:01,800
Yeah and we’re going to try and
get them on this show at some

1086
00:57:01,800 –> 00:57:03,800
points.
Great names, potato and

1087
00:57:03,800 –> 00:57:06,200
mustache.
Yeah, yeah.

1088
00:57:06,400 –> 00:57:08,700
Just don’t tweet at him.
I went out and looked at his

1089
00:57:08,700 –> 00:57:11,000
Twitter.
He tweeted one thing in 2011.

1090
00:57:11,200 –> 00:57:12,100
Okay?
Yes.

1091
00:57:12,100 –> 00:57:17,000
Been the end of that.
So what do we have to plug

1092
00:57:17,000 –> 00:57:19,400
before we get the fuck out of
here?

1093
00:57:19,600 –> 00:57:22,000
Connor.
Oh guys, this weekend, I left in

1094
00:57:22,008 –> 00:57:24,300
Tucson in Arizona.
If you’re in the area, hit me

1095
00:57:24,300 –> 00:57:25,000
up.
I’ll hang out.

1096
00:57:25,200 –> 00:57:26,300
Fine.
Come to the shower, whatever.

1097
00:57:26,300 –> 00:57:29,000
I’ll go to a diner with you.
September 26.

1098
00:57:29,000 –> 00:57:31,300
I’m a headline.
The Ontario Improv and 911, I’m

1099
00:57:31,300 –> 00:57:33,000
headlining.
Those stats and San Diego’s,

1100
00:57:33,000 –> 00:57:35,000
will all be fun shows if you
want to come see me, come hang

1101
00:57:35,000 –> 00:57:37,000
out again and hit me up if you
want to hang out afterwards

1102
00:57:37,000 –> 00:57:39,300
because I was hanging with
people and then first week in

1103
00:57:39,300 –> 00:57:42,700
November big ol Mean Boys tour
all through Texas and the the

1104
00:57:42,700 –> 00:57:45,000
Good Ol American South.
So if you’re not on our email

1105
00:57:45,000 –> 00:57:47,100
list, go sign up and you’ll be
the first to know when a ticket

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00:57:47,100 –> 00:57:48,500
survive, some of them are up
right now.

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00:57:48,500 –> 00:57:51,900
So go go fuck with that.
Nice Dave, what do you got the

1108
00:57:51,900 –> 00:57:54,600
bug?
I got a streaming and podcast

1109
00:57:54,600 –> 00:57:57,100
Network.
Old game fully unemployed, you

1110
00:57:57,100 –> 00:58:01,000
can give us money or see what
we’re up to at patreon.com slash

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00:58:01,000 –> 00:58:07,900
gainfully, unemployed G, AME
ful, why I co-host Miss bad

1112
00:58:07,900 –> 00:58:12,200
movie ever on this the popular
opinion Network?

1113
00:58:12,400 –> 00:58:15,700
It’s very, yeah, you do and I
write for bunny ears.com.

1114
00:58:15,700 –> 00:58:17,700
So check that out.
It’s Macaulay.

1115
00:58:17,700 –> 00:58:20,800
Culkin’s lifestyle site.
Dave knows Macaulay Culkin.

1116
00:58:20,800 –> 00:58:23,200
Yeah, fair and I’m his personal
Guru.

1117
00:58:23,500 –> 00:58:25,000
Oh yeah.
All right.

1118
00:58:25,100 –> 00:58:27,000
Let’s get the fuck out here.
Dave say goodbye.

1119
00:58:27,000 –> 00:58:30,200
Goodbye Connor so but goodbye.
Goodbye everybody.

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00:58:30,200 –> 00:58:30,700
We love you.